re.carnatic raaga equivalent of Lalit.

[Savitha Kadiyala]

In response to Ananth's question, if I am not mistaken, the raga is
called Gurjari in the carnatic music.There is also aD ikshitar kriti in
this raga, ehichbears the name of the raga, as is the case with all his
kritis.I would also welcome further info. on this issue
Savitha

[kinner.shah]

Raag Lalit is distinguished by the use of both the Madhyamas. I thought
Carnatic music (at least the mela karta raagas) did not allow both the M (M1
and M2) in the same Raag. Please enlighten me...-

-Ashwin

Savitha Kadiyala wrote in message <364860...@hotmail.com>...

[ravi chandra]

I remember reading (on the notes of the cassette 'Maestro's choice:
Maharajapuram Santhanam') that Saaranga is the only carnatic raagam with both
suddha and prati madhyamam.

BTW, are there raagams outside of the melakatrha scheme in carnatic music ?

Regards, Ravi

[Geeta Iyer]

did he mean carnatic ragams that have not been borrowed from
Hindustani since Yamuna kalyani, hamir kalyani, behag, etc. have both
madhyams?

geeta

[sur...@ibm.net]

I am curious about this also. I have never heard lalit sung as lalit itself in
any carnatic concert. i interpreted the original question to mean 'is the raga
lalit sung in carnatic music? if so, under what name ?' it is clearly different
from the carnatic 'lalitha' (nannu brovu, hiranmayee etc)

suresh

[kinner.shah]

One subtle but very distinct difference is that Lalit has both the madhyamas
in Arohana and Avarohana.

- Ashwin

[kishore...@rocketmail.com]

Ravi,

Even though this violates the scheme of Melakartha Raagaas, this is pretty
much a well established practice. The technical term for these ragas is
'Bhaashaanga Raagas'. These ragas have one foreign note in their Aarohana or
Avarohana. The original scheme of Venkatamakhi and Sarangadeva doesn't seem
to have this concept of Foreign note. It is believed that, people started
singing with Foreign notes because it added to the esthetics of the Raga.
Examples of other Bhaashaanga Ragas include :

Raaga Foreign note
===== ===========

Bhairavi -- Dha
Bilahari -- Ni
Kambhoji -- Ni
Saaranga -- Ma

Can you imagine these raagas withought the Foreign note ? This is really to do
with esthetics rather than technical correctness.

Can somebody post a list of commonly known Bhaashaanga Raagas ??

-- Kishore Meduri

In article <365083DB...@ms.cc.ntu.edu.tw>,

ravi chandra <ra...@ms.cc.ntu.edu.tw> wrote:
> I remember reading (on the notes of the cassette 'Maestro's choice:
> Maharajapuram Santhanam') that Saaranga is the only carnatic raagam with both
> suddha and prati madhyamam.
>
> BTW, are there raagams outside of the melakatrha scheme in carnatic music ?
>
> Regards, Ravi
>

> kinner.shah wrote:
>
> > Raag Lalit is distinguished by the use of both the Madhyamas. I thought
> > Carnatic music (at least the mela karta raagas) did not allow both the M (M1
> > and M2) in the same Raag. Please enlighten me...-
> >
> > -Ashwin
> >

> > Savitha Kadiyala wrote in message <364860...@hotmail.com>...
> > >In response to Ananth's question, if I am not mistaken, the raga is
> > >called Gurjari in the carnatic music.There is also aD ikshitar kriti in
> > >this raga, ehichbears the name of the raga, as is the case with all his
> > >kritis.I would also welcome further info. on this issue
> > >Savitha
>
>

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[ravi chandra]

I think the information on the cassette cover refers only to carnaatic raagams and
not ones borrowed from hindustaani music.

BTW, I checked that the info on saaranga (that it is the only carnatic raagam with
both the madhyamams) is not from the notes from the cassette 'Maestro's choice:
Maharajapuram Santhanam'. It might be from the cassette series entitled 'Tyagaraja
Masterpieces'; one of them contains kritis rendered by Santhanam. (Can someone
please clarify ?)

Regards, Ravi

[Srini Pichumani]

>Savitha Kadiyala wrote in message <364860...@hotmail.com>...
>>In response to Ananth's question, if I am not mistaken, the raga is
>>called Gurjari in the carnatic music.There is also aD ikshitar kriti in
>>this raga, ehichbears the name of the raga, as is the case with all his
>>kritis.I would also welcome further info. on this issue
>>Savitha

Carnatic GurjarI is totally different from Hindustani Lalit. There is no
use of the prati madhyama at all in Carnatic GurjarI.

Carnatic GurjarI belongs to the 15th mELa... Dikshitar's "guNijanAdinuta
guruguhOdaye gurjarIrAgapriye ava s'ive" - has been brilliantly sung and
demo'ed by DKJ... he sings the last 2 words as "vara s'ive".
Tyagaraja's "varAlandu kommani nAyandu vancana sEya nyAyamA" was popularized
by Madurai Somu and Prof.S.Ramanathan...

-Srini.