Hindolam- Any other songs?
PRASAD
1. Samajavaragamana- Tyagaraju
2. Manasuloni - Tyagaraju
3. Samaganalole- GNB
Do you know of any other Carnatic music songs in Hindolam?
I don't understand this raga that is so enticing? What is your favorite
raga?
Arunkumar Sridharan
Maamavatu Sree Saraswati - Vasudevachar
Padmanaabhapaahi - Swati Tirunaal
Govardhana - Muthuswamy Dikshitar
Neerajaakshi - Muthuswamy Dikshitar
Nambikettavar - P. Sivan
Saamagaanalolane - P. Sivan
Maa Ramanan - P. Sivan
Mangalacharane - M.D. Ramanathan
must be many more
BTW - Manasuloni is also sung by many schools in Varamu (D2) as against
Hindolam (D1). GNB school sings it in Hindolam.
Arun K. Tangirala
1. DEva DEvam Baje divya praBAvam - Sri AnnamAcharya
2. candraseKara saraswatiye saranam - (?) (I heard this sung by
Maharajapuram)
I am sure there are lots others..
-arun
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1. Neerajakshi Kamakshi - Dikshitar
2. Mamavathu Sri Saraswathi - Dikshitar
3. Govardhanagiridhara - Dikshitar
4. Padmanabha Pahi - Swati Tirunal
5. Deva Devam Bhajeham - Annamacharya
6. Ramanukke Mannan Mudi Dharithale - Arunachala Kavi
7. Samagana Lolane Sadasiva Sankarane - Papanasam Sivan
8. MaRamanan Uma Ramanan - Papanasam Sivan
9. Bhajare Gopalam - I think this is also by Dikshitar
10. A Thillana - Balamuralikrishna
There are several others, I am sure. The "enticing" nature is a common
feature of most ragas of five notes, Mohanam, malayamarutham, Valaji etc. I
believe their simplicity, fluent flow of notes is the reason for their
instant appeal.
Chari.
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"PRASAD" <ramabommaraju_nospam_sprynet.com> wrote:
> For some unknown reason, I love these three songs- all in Hindolam.
> 1. Samajavaragamana- Tyagaraju
> 2. Manasuloni - Tyagaraju
> 3. Samaganalole- GNB
> Do you know of any other Carnatic music songs in Hindolam?
> I don't understand this raga that is so enticing? What is your
favorite
> raga?
>
>
2. Raamanukku Mannanmudi TharithaLe - Arunachala Kavi
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"Neerajaakshi Kaamaakshi" - Dikshitar
"Hari Rasama Vihari" - Annamaacharya
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Deva Devam bhaje divya prathapam - an Annamachary krithi
the Popular purandara dasa krithi "yaare rangana Yaare Krishnana"
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The famous Ramanataka Krithi "Ramanukku Mannan Mudi" is sung in
Hindolam.
Palimchu Kamakshi
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> The famous Ramanataka Krithi "Ramanukku Mannan Mudi" is sung in
> Hindolam.
> Palimchu Kamakshi
> Dharmasamvardhani - Muthuswami Dikshitar
Ramanukku Mannanmudi is right, I forgot about it whwn I compiled the small
list, I sent earlierHowever, Paalinchu Kaamaakshi and Dharmasamvardhani are in
MADHYMAVATI and not Hindolam.
Sreeram
Nana wrote:
>
> The famous Ramanataka Krithi "Ramanukku Mannan Mudi" is sung in
> Hindolam.
That's Hindolam, alright!
> Palimchu Kamakshi
If you are refering to the one composed by Syama
Sastri, then it is in madhyamAvathi.
> Dharmasamvardhani - Muthuswami Dikshitar
madhyamAvathi.
Sree
PRASAD
santhanam balaji
: SOme of the other krithis which I can recall offhand are:
: 2. candraseKara saraswatiye saranam - (?) (I heard this sung by
: Maharajapuram)
I think this was composed by Maharajapuram himself.
Balaji
Arun K. Tangirala
the rAga CAyas, etc..) between Malkauns and Chandrakauns.. I am aware
that the difference is between the nishAdams in these rAgas.
are there any compositions in Chandrakauns in the Carnatic tradition?
thanks in advance.
warm regards
Arun
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N. Sivakumar
Now, other part of your original posting deserves some attention.
Hindolam actually means something 'swinging'; If you observe the notes,
there is definite symmetrically among them. Like 'Sadharan Gandharam'
(small 'ga') goes very well with 'Suddha Dhaivatam'; similar is the case
with Suddha Madhyamam and Kaiseki Nishadham. They are positioned in such
a way that symmetrically is maintained fully and there is no other
interference from any other swaras (like Panchamam or Rishabham). If
Panchamam was there in Hindolam, it would not have the same
symmetrically it has now and there would have been a tinge of sadness in
raga's flavor. Basically the same reason holds good for Mohanam, Suddha
Dhanyasi, Suddha Saveri, Madhyamavati. These ragas have wider bandwidth
that they are equally good if handled slow or fast tempo, very classical
or semi classical or light. There are numerous songs in movies based on
Hindolam and the other in this groups.
By the way, Hindol in Hindustani has all Thivra swaras; "Ga Ma Dha Ni'
are from Kalyani.
There can be may reasons why these ragas are so enticing, the very
purpose of Indian Classical music ...
-Sivakumar
N. Sivakumar
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Arun K. Tangirala wrote:
> Can someone post the basic and subtle differences (in the gayaki style,
> the rAga CAyas, etc..) between Malkauns and Chandrakauns.. I am aware
> that the difference is between the nishAdams in these rAgas.
>
> are there any compositions in Chandrakauns in the Carnatic tradition?
Chandrakauns is the same as Kalyana Vasantham. Several songs in kalyana vasantham,
of course.
V R Vasudevan
"PRASAD" <ramabommaraju_nospam_sprynet.com> wrote:
> For some unknown reason, I love these three songs- all in Hindolam.
> 1. Samajavaragamana- Tyagaraju
> 2. Manasuloni - Tyagaraju
> 3. Samaganalole- GNB
> Do you know of any other Carnatic music songs in Hindolam?
> I don't understand this raga that is so enticing? What is your
favorite
> raga?
>
>
have heard in the concerts.
Karunalayanidhiye,Hindolam (20),Krithi,Adi,Vedanayakom Pillai
Others songs, taken from the list provided in Mohan Ayyar's web pages,
are as given below
Chintayami Jagadambha,Hindolam (20),Krithi,Adi,Jayachamaraja Wodeyar
Hannu bandide,Hindolam (20),Krithi,Rupaka,Purandaradasa
Imayamalai,Hindolam (20),Krithi,Adi,Lalithadasar
Kaavipoovai,Hindolam (20),Krithi,Rupaka,Arunagirinathar
Kailasachala vasa,Hindolam (20),Krithi,Adi,Papanasam Sivan
Karuninchuve,Hindolam (20),Krithi,,Annamacharya
Margam kattiduvai,Hindolam (20),Krithi,Misra Chapu,Ambujam Krishna
Nava lavanya rupadhaye,Hindolam (20),Krithi,Rupaka,Muthuaiah Bhagavatar
Nirajakshi,Hindolam (20),Krithi,Rupaka,Muthuswamy Dikshitar
Om Navashiva,Hindolam (20),Krithi,Eka,Swarna Venkatesa Dikshitar
Padmanabha pahi,Hindolam (20),Krithi,Adi,Swati Tirunal
Purarthaye namo,Hindolam (20),Krithi,Adi,Muthaiah Bhagavatar
Rammanave Thyagaraja,Hindolam (20),Krithi,Ata,Ramaswami Dikshitar
Syama kalebharam,Hindolam (20),Krithi,Adi,Thulaseevanam
Thiruppuram kundravela,Hindolam (20),Krithi,Adi,Papanasam Sivan
Ujjaiyini,Hindolam (20),Krithi,Adi,Subramania Bharathi
One of my many favourite ragams : kAnada
alai pAyudhE kaNNA is one of the many melodious songs in this rAga (many
good songs done by others too, including Thrimurthis).
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V R Vasudevan
sur...@attglobal.net wrote:
> Chandrakauns is the same as Kalyana Vasantham. Several songs in
kalyana vasantham,
> of course.
My impression of Chandrakauns was that it went with following notes:
ArOHanam : S G2 M1 D1 N3 S
avarOHanam: S N3 D1 M1 G2 S
Kalyana Vasantham has avarOHanam S N3 D1 P M1 G2 R2 S (full 7 svaras
of its mELakarthA rAgam kIravANi).
Let me know if this impression of Chandrakauns is wrong.
V R Vasudevan
"S.I. Krishnamachari" <ch...@wwa.com> wrote:
> (SNIP)
>
> There are several others, I am sure. The "enticing" nature is a
common
> feature of most ragas of five notes, Mohanam, malayamarutham, Valaji
etc. I
> believe their simplicity, fluent flow of notes is the reason for their
> instant appeal.
> Chari.
>
malayamArutham has 6 notes. It has the shuddha rishabham in both the
ArOHanam and avarOHanam in addition to the 5 notes of valachi. Both are
janya rAgams of the 16th mELakarthA chakravAHam.
SACHIN UTTAM
Both these are pentatonic ragas. They have almost the same note structure where
're' and 'pa' are omitted, 'Ga' and 'Dha' are flattened. The only difference is
that 'ni' is flattened in Malkauns while natural version of 'ni' is used in
Chandrakauns. Flattened 'ni' gives a very serious and deep and meditative tone to
Malkauns while the use of natural 'ni' in Chandrakauns gives it a very playful
character.
Regards,
-Sachin.
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"Arun K. Tangirala" wrote:
> Can someone post the basic and subtle differences (in the gayaki style,
> the rAga CAyas, etc..) between Malkauns and Chandrakauns.. I am aware
> that the difference is between the nishAdams in these rAgas.
>
> are there any compositions in Chandrakauns in the Carnatic tradition?
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> warm regards
> Arun
>
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"Abhayavarade sarade by Indira Natesan set to Misrachapu talam. I have
listened to TVS's rendering which is very beautiful. The song is in praise of
Mother of the Universe set in the pentatonic raga(Hindolam), and has swara
passages in the Pallavi(as described in the CD).
UshaKrish
ragam set to Misrachapu talam, sung by TVS. The composer is Indira Natesan.
I felt I might have made a mistake while tying the name.
Sorry.
nram
in Hindolam. It ends with ragamalika (I can think of Kanada, Kalyani in
it..)
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S.I. Krishnamachari <ch...@wwa.com> wrote in message
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> There are several others. The ones that I have listened to:
> 1. Neerajakshi Kamakshi - Dikshitar
> 2. Mamavathu Sri Saraswathi - Dikshitar
> 3. Govardhanagiridhara - Dikshitar
> 4. Padmanabha Pahi - Swati Tirunal
> 5. Deva Devam Bhajeham - Annamacharya
> 6. Ramanukke Mannan Mudi Dharithale - Arunachala Kavi
> 7. Samagana Lolane Sadasiva Sankarane - Papanasam Sivan
> 8. MaRamanan Uma Ramanan - Papanasam Sivan
> 9. Bhajare Gopalam - I think this is also by Dikshitar
> 10. A Thillana - Balamuralikrishna
>
> feature of most ragas of five notes, Mohanam, malayamarutham, Valaji etc.
I
> believe their simplicity, fluent flow of notes is the reason for their
> instant appeal.
> Chari.
>
>
> > 1. Samajavaragamana- Tyagaraju
> > 2. Manasuloni - Tyagaraju
> > 3. Samaganalole- GNB
> > Do you know of any other Carnatic music songs in Hindolam?
> > I don't understand this raga that is so enticing? What is your favorite
> > raga?
> >
>
>
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"阿第仔" <h150...@cc.fjtc.edu.tw> wrote:
>
> S.I. Krishnamachari <ch...@wwa.com> wrote in message
> news:ngQ14.5836$tI2.1...@ord-read.news.verio.net...
> > There are several others. The ones that I have listened to:
> > 1. Neerajakshi Kamakshi - Dikshitar
> > 2. Mamavathu Sri Saraswathi - Dikshitar
> > 3. Govardhanagiridhara - Dikshitar
> > 4. Padmanabha Pahi - Swati Tirunal
> > 5. Deva Devam Bhajeham - Annamacharya
> > 6. Ramanukke Mannan Mudi Dharithale - Arunachala Kavi
> > 7. Samagana Lolane Sadasiva Sankarane - Papanasam Sivan
> > 8. MaRamanan Uma Ramanan - Papanasam Sivan
> > 9. Bhajare Gopalam - I think this is also by Dikshitar
> > 10. A Thillana - Balamuralikrishna
> >
> > There are several others, I am sure. The "enticing" nature is a
common
> > feature of most ragas of five notes, Mohanam, malayamarutham,
Valaji etc.
> I
> > believe their simplicity, fluent flow of notes is the reason for
their
> > instant appeal.
> > Chari.
> >
> >
> > PRASAD <ramabo...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> > news:826ppt$4n6$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net...
> > > For some unknown reason, I love these three songs- all in
Hindolam.
> > > 1. Samajavaragamana- Tyagaraju
> > > 2. Manasuloni - Tyagaraju
> > > 3. Samaganalole- GNB
> > > Do you know of any other Carnatic music songs in Hindolam?
> > > I don't understand this raga that is so enticing? What is your
favorite
> > > raga?
> > >
> > >851501324
> >
> >
>
>
Subramanian
Sadasiva..". The composer of this kriti was Papanasm Sivan. This song is is
manipravalam style(Tamil and Sanskrit misture) in praise of Lord Shiva. The
other hindolam kriti, "Samaganalole..." (note the difference) was composed
by GNB. This kriti is in praise of Devi or Lakshmi(I am not quite sure).
Hope this clarifies the issue.
S. Subramanian
moort...@hotmail.com wrote in article <82m5os$gdd$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> In article <82kj9p$2bl$1...@news.nsysu.edu.tw>,
> "阿第仔" <h150...@cc.fjtc.edu.tw> wrote:
> >
> > S.I. Krishnamachari <ch...@wwa.com> wrote in message
> > news:ngQ14.5836$tI2.1...@ord-read.news.verio.net...
> > 6. Ramanukke Mannan Mudi Dharithale - Arunachala Kavi
> > > 7. Samagana Lolane Sadasiva Sankarane - Papanasam Sivan
> This is composed by GNB not Papanasam Sivan
> >
> >
> > > PRASAD <ramabo...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
> > > news:826ppt$4n6$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net...
> > > > For some unknown reason, I love these three songs- all in
> Hindolam.
> 3. Samaganalole- GNB
> >
Subramanian
is.."(2) it is mixture not misture.
I am just being hard on myself!
Subramanian
Subramanian <maha...@bestweb.net> wrote in article
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neerajakshi - Dikshithar
samaganalonale - Sivan (GNB?? I thought it was composed by Sivan, the
only Samagana of GNB I heard was in anandabhairavi)
Maa Ramanan - Sivan
Chandrasekhara Saraswathi - Santhanam
Hindolam is enchanting in that it has a haunting melody to it probably
attributed to the suddha madhyama followed by the missing panchamam.
This effect is also brought out in thodi often when artistes purposely
drop the pa in alapana and swara prastara (The thodi varnam Era Napai
has no Pa in the chitta swara).
The MDN sounds very pleasing to the ear.. many ragas seem to use this.
Kalyanavasantham (uses the pa in the avarohana, but the GMDNS gives it
a great beauty), Vasantha, Hindolam, chandrakauns, etc all ragas of
great beauty and very enchanting.
semi...@my-deja.com
I might be wrong here but I think symmetricallity(is there such a
word...?) is better expressed in suddha dhanyasi than in hindolam. SGM
with PNS 1 invariate swara s/p followed by 1 sadharana/kaisiki
gandharam/nishadam (which are counterparts) and 1 more invariate (m/s)
While there are 2 madhyamas I think its safe to assume for the 1st half
of the melakartha scale the ma is invariate.
Hindolam has a very special haunting melody to it, this enticing effect
is (i think) due to the G, M, D, (and especially the D and the absence
of p) which sounds very sweet.. Even in thodi singers tend to drop the
pa when singing alapanas and swara. Suddha dhanyasi, which has a pa
instead of a dha has a completely different effect, hence I feel its
the GMD combi that makes hindolam so beautiful. The same feature of
melody is shared in many ragas like kalyanavasantham, vasantha,
chandrakauns (vasantha uses a different g but the effect is quite
similar) Again I am no music scholar so I wouldnt really know the exact
details..
Chith Eshwaran
Vaadi/Samvaadi combination, something the Hindusthani System places
great emphasis upon. Malkauns has its Vaadi (main note) as 'ma', and
Samvaadi (next major note) as 'sa'. In Chandrakauns, Vaadi is the flat
'ga' and the Samvaadi flat 'ni'.
Proper use of Vaadi and Samvaadi (reflected in relatively higher usage
of these notes compared to others, frequent stops on these notes, and
other ways to show the emphasis) conveys the unique color and mood of a
raga. There are several ragas in the Hindusthani system with identical
notes; but they produce quite different effect on the listner due mainly
to this difference.
Taking a Malkauns composition and altering its 'ni' from flat to sharp
would therefore not make it Chandrakauns.
Kishore Hema
sAma gAna lOlanE -- Papanasam Sivan
saraswathI vidhi yuvathI -- Muttuswamy dIxitar
mAmavathu srI saraswathI -- mysore vAsudEvachAr
nIrajAkshi kAmakshi -- Muttuswamy dIxitar
hari rasamA vihAri -- Annamacharyulu
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From: "PRASAD" <ramabo...@sprynet.com>
For some unknown reason, I love these three songs- all in Hindolam.
1. Samajavaragamana- Tyagaraju
2. Manasuloni - Tyagaraju
3. Samaganalole- GNB
Do you know of any other Carnatic music songs in Hindolam?
I don't understand this raga that is so enticing? What is your favorite
raga?
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