muttuswamy kritis

[kartik...@my-deja.com]

Do all of Muttuswamy Dikshitar`s songs contain the pen name
guruguha ?

Also does he specify the name of the raga in all his kritis ?

If not can you give me a few exceptions to the above rules

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[Prasad K Sundar]

kartik...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> Do all of Muttuswamy Dikshitar`s songs contain the pen name
> guruguha ?

Muttuswamy Dikshitar's Kritis have the mudra guruguha.It is to be noted that the
generations who followed muttuswamy Dikshtyar also seem to have used the same
mudra..he has also included the raga mura wherever possible..
some of the ragas have a different name in his krithis or the ragas are in a
hidden way.
eg(chamaram for shanmukhapriya-siddhi vinayakam and gaura as in "suvarnaga
rakshana vignaraja pashangusa gaura varna)
where gaura means white (gaulam is white) and he uses a bit of sanskrit where
"ra " can be substituted for "la" .I think he has not given the raga mudra in
some of the navagraha krithis(yadukula kambodhi-comments please) and the
kamalamba navavarnam in thodi.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Prasad

[Sreeram]

Prasad K Sundar wrote:
>
> kartik...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > Do all of Muttuswamy Dikshitar`s songs contain the pen name
> > guruguha ?
> Muttuswamy Dikshitar's Kritis have the mudra guruguha.

The original Q was - were *all* MD's songs contain his
"guruguha" mudra? The answer is "no". From what I have
read, the first song composed in a raga will bear his
guruguha mudra. Other songs may or may not have it.

Puduhai Sreeram

[Sreeram]

My apologies! A very knowledgeable-close-friend of mine
points out that MD indeed used guruguha mudra in *all*
his compositions. The first-song-mudra thing is
applicable only for the rAga mudra. I got confused
between the two - saawwy! ;-)

Sree

[Karthik Venkataraman]

There are compostions supposedly composed by *MD* but do not bear the
"Guruguha" Mudra. He has used his Dhiksha Name of "Chidhananda Natha" from
his Srividya tutelage. Example of this may be seen in his not so famous
"Mantra Kirtanai" which follows the Kamalaba Navavarana Krithis.

Cheers
Karthik

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> Do all of Muttuswamy Dikshitar`s songs contain the pen name
> guruguha ?
>

[Ganesh Sriram]

Muthuswamy Dikshitar began composing with his mudra `guruguha' right
from his first krithi onwards (shrI nAthAdi
guruguhO jayati - mAyAmALava gowLA), and ALL his krithis are believed to
contain this mudra. However, the telugu daru `nI sAti daivamu', is a
notable exception. For an interesting discussion on this, see:

http://www.sangeetham.com/miss2.htm

Most (but not all) compositions of Dikshithar contain the `rAga mudra'.
Exceptions which do not contain the rAga name are:

1. All his krithis in the rAga-s tODi (sangeetam.com had discussed this
a while ago), asAvEri, darbAr, hamIrkalyANi, yadukulakAmbhOji, [and also
probaly khamAs and sahAnA].

2. The mangaLa and dashAvatAra rAgamAlikA-s (except for the 3rd line in
dashAvatAra (shrIdharENa ...) which contains the rAga name).

Note, however, that sometimes one has to really look for the rAga name,
such as in these examples:

1. The bEgaDa krithi `shrImAta shiva vAmankE' contains a disguised
rAgamudra in the anupallavi: `chitprati bimbE gaLajita shankhE'.

2. The krithi `chintayE mahAlingamUrTim' in pharaj (paraju) also
contains the rAgamudra in `ati samIpa Rju mArga darshitam'.

3. `bAlagOpAla' probably contains a disguised rAgamudra (though much
weaker than examples above) in `vairi vihita gOpikA manOhara'.

Regards,
Ganesh.

kartik...@my-deja.com wrote:

> Do all of Muttuswamy Dikshitar`s songs contain the pen name
> guruguha ?
>
> Also does he specify the name of the raga in all his kritis ?
>
> If not can you give me a few exceptions to the above rules

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[Prasad K Sundar]

I would add the gaula krithi "sri maha ganapathi" which has the ragamudra in the
line "pAshAngusha gaura varna" where he substitutes ra for La

And is this dAru a Muthuswamy Dikshitar composition at all??
can any experts clarify.
Has he included the rAga mudra in his Manipravala kriti venkatAchalapate?

Thanks,
Prasad

[kartik...@my-deja.com]

You apear to suggest that Akhilandeshwari is not composed by MD

Is this a view that is yours based on your study or do most classical
musicians also agree with this

I have casettes of Akhilandeshwari rendered by various artistes .Each of
these casettes mentions MD as the composer

If not Md who could have composed.After all the kriti does contain the
Guru guha mudra and raga mudra

Please clarify because Akhilandeshwari is one of my favourite kritis and this
came as a surprise to me.

bye

[Ramakrishnan G]

Kartik,
It has been definitely suggested by some very learned musicians mainly
DKP who has gone on record saying she feels that "Akhilandeshwari" is
not a MD kriti.
Also included in that list are Gajamba Nayako.
You can do a search on this topic. It has been discussed earlier.

As for who composed them, I have no clue. I personally believe they
were MD kritis.

Thanks
Ramakrishnan

[Ganesh Sriram]

Hi,

This is with reference to kartik...@my-deja.com's comment on the opinion that
`akhilANDEshwari rakshamAm' is not a Muthuswami Dikshithar krithi. This opinion
is mentioned by Dr. V. V. Srivatsa on the following website, which I had quoted
in my previous post:

http://www.sangeetham.com/miss2.htm

A number of musicians and musicologists, including Sangeetha Kalanidhi Justice
T. L. Venkatrama Iyer (who was considered an authority on Dikshithar krithis)
and Dr. V. V. Srivatsa, conform to this opinion, the main reason being that the
rAga of `akhilANDEshwari' is `less classical' than the rAga of `chetashrI
bAlakrishNam bhaja rE'. The following website contains an interview of Sangeetha
Kalanidhi D. K. Pattammal, where she voices the same opinion:

http://www.the-hindu.com/fline/fl1616/16160670.htm

However, Sangeetha Kalanidhi T. V. Subbarao, in his book `Studies on Indian
Music' says that rAga-s like jujAvanti have a both a classical version and a
folk version; and that Dikshithar composed one song in each version.

There is therefore a mixed opinion on this point.

Regards,
Ganesh.

[Prasad K Sundar]

This is fine buyt the treatment of DWijavanti by MD in this song and I think his
other one is "chheta sri Balakrishnam"(do not remember the song exactly) is
totally different.That raises a doubt on the previous song's composer.
Prasad

kartik...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> You apear to suggest that Akhilandeshwari is not composed by MD
>
> Is this a view that is yours based on your study or do most classical
> musicians also agree with this
>
> I have casettes of Akhilandeshwari rendered by various artistes .Each of
> these casettes mentions MD as the composer
>
> If not Md who could have composed.After all the kriti does contain the
> Guru guha mudra and raga mudra
>
> Please clarify because Akhilandeshwari is one of my favourite kritis and this
> came as a surprise to me.
>

[semi...@my-deja.com]

Yes and no..
Yes all his krithis contain "Guru guha" and no the raga's name is not
featured in all compositions..
Eg. In Annapoorney - Saama, the word "Saama" doesnt arise
Same with Gajananayutham, the raga's name (Dikshithar's equivalent of
Chakravaaham) doesnt arise
Same with Ramanatham Bhajeham - Kasiramakriya (Pantuvarali) and a host
of others. Guru guha features in all his krithis but are not unique to
him. (ponniah Pillai's Mayateethe swaroopini in mayamalavagoulai also
has the EXACT features of Dikshitar.. i.e. "Guru Guha", Madhyama kaala
and "Mayamalavagoulai" appearing in the charanam but it's in Telugu)
I theink Dikshitar succeeded amazingly in attributing the right emotion
to the composition by setting it to a certain raga.. all his songs in
Gamakakriya (poorvikalyani) have a very beautiful slow pleading tempo.
Meenakshi memudham was such a fitting krithi for him to attain moksha
to. His Kalyani piece Kamalambam Bhajare is so elaborate that they,
without the words the composition sung slowly can become an alapana of
its own
Truly the greatest of composers along with Saint Thyagaraja

[Narayanan]

The Handling of Dwijavanthi In "Cheta Sri Balakrithnam" is very
different from that found in "Akinlandeshwari" . The latter one
is more like Jaijaivanthi. This is the basic difference between
these two krithis.

Regarding Gajamba - D K Pattammal , who popularised this krithi
admits that it is not be a Dikshitar krithi.

Other krithis that are not considered to be Dikshitar's works are
the Navagrahams - Smaramyaham & Mahasuram, Sri Venkatesam in
Kalyana Vasantham (Maharajapuram used to Sing this).

Also, the Varali Krithi Seshachala is sung in Roopaka Thalam
rendu kalai by Sandhyavandhanam Srinivasa Rao but the more
popular version by Ariyagudi is sung in Roopakam 1 kalai.

and... D K Pattammal sings the Madhava Manohari Krithi
Mahalakshmi in Adhi - 1 kalai whereas Semmangudi sings this in
Adhi 2 kalai.

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