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Chandramouli Venkatesh - CS

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Feb 10, 1994, 3:07:41 PM2/10/94
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In article <YhJdvxK00...@andrew.cmu.edu> Guntur N Balaji <gb...@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
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>How about RTPs with pallavi's having more than one raga. Maybe I
>sound too much like a stereotype from Srini Pichumani's classification
>of carnatic_music_concert_goers (later on this :-) ) but I havent heard
>any RTP other than the four raga pallavi ( that goes as ' sankarAbarananai
>azhaithOdi vAdi kalyAni darbArukku - this one is a treat !! ).
>There should be many such quaint pallavis out there ? Could somebody
>list such ?

another very catchy pallavi i heard recently :
` nAttaikurinji enbAr engaL sirandha nAttai kurinji enbAr'
in (obviously) nAttaikurinji ! (C) KVN !
i thot he would render them in nAttai and kurinji as well, but he
stopped with nAttaikurinji only ! :-(

CV

Mohan Ayyar

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Feb 14, 1994, 6:16:28 AM2/14/94
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Wondering if anyone new of some Pallavis in some of the following ragas:
Mohanam, Hamsadhwani, Hindolam, Revathi, Kapi. If so, a posting of them
with the swara notation, would be much appreciated.

I would like to learn some Pallavi's in these ragas.

Charumathi Ramachandran has composed a nice pallavi in Hamsadhwani
set to Khanda Jathi Ata Tala Tisra Nadai. The pallavi is:

"Vinayaka, Vallabha nayaka, GajAnanayutham, Gananayakam, Sidhi ..."

The words are from the popular krithis in praise of Lord Ganesha in
Hamsadhwani, Begada, Chakravakom, Purnashadjam and Shanmukhapriya
(respectively) and these are used for ragas are used for kalpana swaras.

Mohan
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Vallath Nandakumar

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Feb 16, 1994, 3:43:05 PM2/16/94
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In article <CL7on...@ucc.su.OZ.AU> may...@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Mohan Ayyar) writes:
>Wondering if anyone new of some Pallavis in some of the following ragas:
>Mohanam, Hamsadhwani, Hindolam, Revathi, Kapi. If so, a posting of them
>with the swara notation, would be much appreciated.
>Mohan
>may...@extro.ucc.su.oz.au

I have heard a recording of ML Vasanthakumari singing an RTP in
Mohanam, the pallavi of which began
"Sundari Shankari Gauri - Kadai ....".
It was in a double album called "Cascades of Carnatic Music".

Someone else asked after recordings of Melakarta raga compositions by
Koteeswara Iyer. I have a Nonesuch record called "Pallavi", I think,
which has a flute player who plays a K. Iyer composition in
taanaroopi, which has Sa Ri(1) Ga(1) Ma(1) Pa Dha(3) Ni (3) in its
scale. Unfortunately, I don't remember the musician's name right now.
If the original questionner is interested, I will remember to go home
and look at the record.

Vallath Nandakumar

Chandramouli Venkatesh - CS

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Feb 16, 1994, 8:07:31 PM2/16/94
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In article <53...@tekgen.bv.tek.com> val...@vishnu.labs.tek.com (Vallath Nandakumar) writes:
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>I have heard a recording of ML Vasanthakumari singing an RTP in
>Mohanam, the pallavi of which began
>"Sundari Shankari Gauri - Kadai ....".
>It was in a double album called "Cascades of Carnatic Music".

the pallavi goes
"kadaik kaN vaithhennai ALammA sundarI shankarI gowrI"
the first part of the album has Palghat Mani Iyer accompanying MLV !
I distinctly remember reading on the sleeve notes of the LP (!!)
that, that was the first time ever that Mani Iyer accompanied MLV !!
(god ! so many `that's ) !

:-)
CV

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>Vallath Nandakumar


Santhanam

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Feb 16, 1994, 9:01:01 PM2/16/94
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In article <53...@tekgen.bv.tek.com>,

Vallath Nandakumar <val...@vishnu.labs.tek.com> wrote:
>In article <CL7on...@ucc.su.OZ.AU> may...@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Mohan Ayyar) writes:
>>Wondering if anyone new of some Pallavis in some of the following ragas:
>>Mohanam, Hamsadhwani, Hindolam, Revathi, Kapi. If so, a posting of them
>>with the swara notation, would be much appreciated.
>>Mohan
>>may...@extro.ucc.su.oz.au

I have also heard a pallavi in Mohana, sung by T.V. Shanakaranarayanan.
I believe the words are as follows: "Sarasa Dhalanethra Sowmya keshavaa."
It was truly thrilling. Sorry...but I don't have the notation.

Gopal


Jayaram Ramanathan

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Feb 18, 1994, 5:34:26 PM2/18/94
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may...@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Mohan Ayyar) writes:
>Wondering if anyone new of some Pallavis in some of the following ragas:
>Mohanam, Hamsadhwani, Hindolam, Revathi, Kapi. If so, a posting of them
^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^

Since this article was posted under the heading "RTPs in light ragas", I
am curious to know if others consider ragams such as Mohanam and
Hindolam as "light". Is "light" a 5-note ragam? Or what is the basis
for such a classification?

Also, on another topic that's currently being discussed, I don't think
it's a good idea to create a moderated rmic group. The amount of
traffic only goes down with such a move, if experience with any of the
other moderated groups is any indication.

-jayaram
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Jay Ramanathan |I
Dept. of Management |I
Oklahoma State University |I
Stillwater, OK 74078 |I

Shashidhara

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Feb 19, 1994, 11:24:30 AM2/19/94
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>Since this article was posted under the heading "RTPs in light ragas", I
>am curious to know if others consider ragams such as Mohanam and
>Hindolam as "light". Is "light" a 5-note ragam? Or what is the basis
>for such a classification?
>
>-jayaram


It is this same line of thinking that led me to remark in a previous
post of mine that:

* The distiction between heavy and light ragas is more
pronounced in Carnatic music than in Hindustani music.


I too would consider Hindolam less serious (if not `light') than
(say) Todi. But I do not think Malkouns (much) less serious
than Bilaskhani Todi.

Shashidhara

Mohan Ayyar

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Feb 20, 1994, 5:35:40 PM2/20/94
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In article <2k5efu$f...@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> sha...@cc.umanitoba.ca (Shashidhara) writes:
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>>Since this article was posted under the heading "RTPs in light ragas", I
>>am curious to know if others consider ragams such as Mohanam and
>>Hindolam as "light". Is "light" a 5-note ragam? Or what is the basis
>>for such a classification?
>>
>>-jayaram
>

I do not consider Mohanam nor Hindolam to be light ragas. My original
query was merely posted as a followup to another topic and I was
careless not to change the subject line.

I guess light ragas are those that do not offer much scope for
elaboration during alapana.

Mohan Ayyar

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