Maru Bihag question
Kalpit Pandya
Vikrut Madhyam shudh swar gavat Maru Bihag
ga ni samvad pratham ratri manat kalyan thaat
Rag Maru Bihag is a very pleasant night melody. Does any one know where the
name comes from? This rag's origination is from kalyan thaat and it's a
blend of Kalyan and Bihag. What does the word Maru mean?
reagards,
Kalpit
Emil Faug
> Rag Maru Bihag is a very pleasant night melody. Does any one know where the
> name comes from?
Apparantly from a seldom-heard raag called Maru. Students of ZM Dagar, such
as sitarist Pushpraj Koshte perform Maru.
> This rag's origination is from kalyan thaat and it's a
> blend of Kalyan and Bihag.
oh?
> What does the word Maru mean?
I don't know. I have heard it said (from a Seni musician) that Maru Behag
means *part of Behag* but I haven't encountered evidence to support that
view
-emil
lahor...@my-deja.com
Salaam to all
Kalpit
Maru Bihaag is a combination of Raags Maru and Bihaag. That's where the
name Maru originates from.
Very often you will hear the phrase Pa Dha Ma Pa Ma Ga Re being
presented in MAru Bihaag recitals, and this is a typical phrase of Raag
Maru.
Regards
Saqib
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"Kalpit Pandya" <kal...@optonline.net> wrote:
According to Vasantrao Deshpande (a part-time singer, worth
2.3/10, the extra 0.3 is because he was a Maharashtrian), Maru
Bihag is also known as Prithvi Kalyan.
--
- dhananjay naniwadekar
naniwadekar
"Kalpit Pandya" <kal...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> where the > name comes from? This rag's origination is from kalyan
> thaat and it's a
> blend of Kalyan and Bihag. What does the word Maru mean?
>
recently posted on www.sawf.org ; I don't remember whether
it answers the question you have posed. But it is a rewarding
article, as we have come to expect from him.
Kalpit Pandya
interview with Smt. Kesarbai. There is a discussion of maru in "maru Bihag"
coming from rag Marwa. But listening to the rag there is no aspect of marwa
in maru bihag but one can see kalyan ang very easily.
reagards,
kalpit pandya
"naniwadekar" <nan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Kalpit Pandya
"naniwadekar" <nan...@hotmail.com> wrote in > some rearguard effort from
me.
>
> According to Vasantrao Deshpande (a part-time singer, worth
> 2.3/10, the extra 0.3 is because he was a Maharashtrian), Maru
rank your people little higher don't you think!!!!
> Bihag is also known as Prithvi Kalyan.
reagards,
kalpit pandya
Balwant N Dixit
a musician, explained to me the meaning of the word "maru." He said the "maru"
means "sweet", "charming" and "sensuous" rolled into one. I do not know where
his explanation came from......Balwant Dixit
naniwadekar
"Kalpit Pandya" <kal...@optonline.net> wrote:
> In the book, " The pillars of Hindustani Music", Mr. Deodhar conducts
> an > interview with Smt. Kesarbai. There is a discussion of maru
> in "maru Bihag" > coming from rag Marwa. But listening to the rag
> there is no aspect of marwa
> in maru bihag but one can see kalyan ang very easily.
>
> reagards,
> kalpit pandya
>
We already know how you judge music (Parween Sultana is better
than Kishori). We know how you write incomprehensible garbage.
We knew all that before. Not content with felling Ms AmonKAR,
you must now malign Smt Kesarbai KerKAR. Right ? What have
you got against people whose last name ends in KAR ?
Warning to others : Neither Kesarbai, nor Deodhar (whose name,
like Rajib Doogar's, ends merely in AR, not KAR) have made
the claim in the paragraph Kalpit has cited that Maru comes
from Marwa or that Marwa is to be found in Maru Bihag. (Does
Maru come from Marwa? Rajan?) So Shri Pandya can not only
not write, he has trouble deciphering what he reads as well.
In the latest issue of Filmfare, Kankana Banerjee has interviewed
Parween Sultana. They have not discussed Maru Bihag. But
Kesarbai has stated in no uncertain terms that there is no
Marwa in Maru Bihag. So probably she does have concept-pakad
that is comparable with Kalpit's. Whether she knew the poem
(lakshan-geet) with which Kalpit kick-started this discussion
is anybody's guess.
naniwadekar
bdi...@pitt.edu wrote:
> Sometime in 1955, when I was in Poona (Pune), one of my
> classmate, who was > a musician, explained to me the meaning of the
> word "maru." He said the "maru" > means "sweet", "charming"
> and "sensuous" rolled into one. I do not know where
> his explanation came from......Balwant Dixit
>
Prof Dixit also tell us what is the opposite of Maru ? More
specifically, what is the term for a person with strange
musical values, inability to write clearly, and inability
to even read clearly, combined with an urge to sound off
dauntlessly, rolled-into-one ? Who thinks nothing of
finding fault with kishori's swar-pakad, and then proceeds
to misquote Kesarbai and Deodhar.
Kalpit Pandya
I think that 0.5 really got to you this time, hey you started it.
Let's come to the real issue. On page 229 in " Pillars of Hindustani
music", the discussion goes like this,
Prof. Deodhar: In that case you must have heard about the debate on raga
Maru Bihag?
Kesarbai: Yes, I know about it. Some of the critics(nani) objected to the
name. They were under the impression that it was a mixture of two ragas,
viz: Marwa and Bihag. Accordingly they began to look for the Marwa part in
the admixture which they failed to find. So they wanted the name of Maru
Bihag to be changed to Yamini Bihag or something like that. etc....
and I said,
> > In the book, " The pillars of Hindustani Music", Mr. Deodhar conducts
> > an > interview with Smt. Kesarbai. There is a discussion of maru
> > in "maru Bihag" > coming from rag Marwa.
Mama Shakuni(nani) is indeed developing some cognitive dysfunction.
According to me Kesarbai never said Maru came from Marwa or whatever. I
said I read about the discussion of maru being originating from marwa.
Let it go nani..... let it be a clean discussion so we all can learn.
Constructive criticism is one thing but constant garbage from your side is
not welcomed.
regards,
kalpit pandya
Kalpit Pandya
> In article <3A85FF87...@pitt.edu>,
> bdi...@pitt.edu wrote:
> > Sometime in 1955, when I was in Poona (Pune), one of my
> > classmate, who was > a musician, explained to me the meaning of the
> > word "maru." He said the "maru" > means "sweet", "charming"
> > and "sensuous" rolled into one. I do not know where
> > his explanation came from......Balwant Dixit
> >
> So Maru means sweet-charming-sensuous rolled into one ?
Will> Prof Dixit also tell us what is the opposite of Maru ?
> specifically, what is the term for a person with strange
> musical values, inability to write clearly, and inability
> to even read clearly, combined with an urge to sound off
> dauntlessly, rolled-into-one ?
Who thinks nothing of > finding fault with kishori's swar-pakad,
> and then proceeds> to misquote Kesarbai and Deodhar.
>
> --
>
> - dhananjay naniwadekar
reagards,
KP
naniwadekar
"Kalpit Pandya" <kal...@optonline.net> wrote:
> Kesarbai: Yes, I know about it. Some of the critics(nani) objected
> to the > name. They were under the impression that it was a mixture
> of two ragas, viz: Marwa and Bihag.
>
almost forgotten about it. However, I never objected to the
name, Maru Bihag, during my discussions with Kesarbai. Nor did
she ever drag me into this controversy. (YOU did that.) In fact,
I never discussed music with Kesarbai. We used to talk about
cricket, Indian politics, and eat paan together. She was a stern
woman and I could tell you some of her opinions but for the fact
that you will subsequently misquote her.
Kalpit Pandya
> In article <rnAh6.15499$%g3.32...@news02.optonline.net>,
> "Kalpit Pandya" <kal...@optonline.net> wrote:
> > Kesarbai: Yes, I know about it. Some of the critics(nani) objected
> > to the > name. They were under the impression that it was a mixture
> > of two ragas, viz: Marwa and Bihag.
> >
> Thanks for reminding me my association with Kesarbai. I had
> almost forgotten about it.
> However, I never objected to the name, Maru Bihag, during my discussions
with Kesarbai.
> Nor did she ever drag me into this controversy. (YOU did that.)
some
personal issues. As far as the controversy- there was none untill you burged
in and
with little help from your frontal lobe interpreted most of the info. wrong.
> I never discussed music with Kesarbai.
> I could tell you some of her opinions but for the fact
> that you will subsequently misquote her.
you will see who is misquoting who.
In the future do me a favor and don't participate in my inqueries on RMIC.
imppio
As on lighter side, in those days in Pune (at least), anything wonderful as
"maru". This was more specifically applied to youthful, blooming and sweet
person generally of female gender!
I thought the word originated from Urdu, may be somebody knowledgeable in
Urdu may shed some light in this.
cheers,
imppio
"Balwant N Dixit" <bdi...@pitt.edu> wrote in message
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KP
> In article <rnAh6.15499$%g3.32...@news02.optonline.net>,
> "Kalpit Pandya" <kal...@optonline.net> wrote:
> > Kesarbai: Yes, I know about it. Some of the critics(nani) objected
> > to the > name. They were under the impression that it was a mixture
> > of two ragas, viz: Marwa and Bihag.
> >
> Thanks for reminding me my association with Kesarbai. I had
> almost forgotten about it.
emphasize the word "critic."
> However, I never objected to the name, Maru Bihag, during my discussions
with Kesarbai.
> Nor did she ever drag me into this controversy. (YOU did that.)
always, disrespectfully jumped in on your own. Don't blame and point
fingers.
> In fact, I never discussed music with Kesarbai. We used to talk about
> cricket, Indian politics, and eat paan together. She was a stern
> woman and I could tell you some of her opinions but for the fact
> that you will subsequently misquote her.
never said? Go back and read carefully.
Do me a favor and don't answer any of my future inqueries on RMIC. I will
do the same.
regards,
kalpit pandya
Surinder P. Singh
Kalpit Pandya wrote in message ...
>Does any one know where the
>name comes from?
> What does the word Maru mean?
I read the following in a book: The word Maru comes from the Hindi/Sanskrit
word Marusthal, meaning desert. The melody of Maru is a raag adaptation of
some folk tunes of Rajasthan.
-Surinder
Warren Senders
>word Marusthal, meaning desert. The melody of Maru is a raag adaptation
>of
>some folk tunes of Rajasthan.
One wonders about the connection between this and the
Rajasthani tale of unrequited love; the two characters
are Dhola and Maru. Anybody have more info?
WS
dr.kanwa...@gmail.com
Maru is an old melody of Indian Raga Tradition.
There are 31 Mukh Ragas used in Sri Guru Granth Sahib, by Sikh Gurus.
Maru / Maroo is one of these ragas.
Guru Nanak (first Sikh Guru), Guru Amardas (third Sikh Guru), Guru Ramdas (fourth Sikh Guru), Guru Arjandev (fifth Sikh Guru), Guru Teg-Bahadar (ninth Sikh Guru) used Raga Maru / Maroo for thier Hymns, available in Sri Guru Granth Sahib, the Sikh Sacred Scripture.
In Rag-Ragini tradition it is supposed as Son of Malkaus Raga.
For more detail on the topic please contact drkanwal...@gmail.com
Dr. Kanwaljit Singh
Department of Gurmat Sangeet
Punjabi University, Patiala
+91 98153 72017
raja...@gmail.com
Maru Bihag is a creation of Alladiya Khan, possibly the
greatest genius of ICM who lived during the last century.
It is one of the ragas that he acknowledged to have created it;
for most of the jod ragas and other ragas, he seems to have said
that it comes from some folk tradition, or an adaptation of two
ragas, without staking a claim of creation.
