Raga SCALES NEEDED
Rajiv Chakravarti
Hello,
Could someone please let me know the raga scales and
chalans for the following:
- Raga Khambavati
- Raga Gangeshwari
- Raga Yamuneshwari
- Raga Pameshwari
- Raga Jogeshwari
- Raga Nayaki
- Raga Bhankaar
I appreciate any help in the matter. Please also forward replies
(if possible) to:
rajiv.ch...@wichita.boeing.com
Thanks a lot.
Regards,
Rajiv
Rajiv Chakravarti
That should have been "Parameshwari".. Sorry for the error ..
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Rajiv Chakravarti <rajiv.ch...@wichita.boeing.com> wrote in article
<01bcfa80$94eab960$d365ad84@lpc02955>...
> Hello,
>
> Could someone please let me know the raga scales and
> chalans for the following:
>
> (snip)
> - Raga Pameshwari
(snip)
Rajan P. Parrikar
In article <01bcfa80$94eab960$d365ad84@lpc02955>
>Hello,
>
> Could someone please let me know the raga scales and
>chalans for the following:
>
> - Raga Gangeshwari
> - Raga Yamuneshwari
> - Raga Pameshwari
> - Raga Jogeshwari
> - Raga Nayaki
> - Raga Bhankaar
Due to constraints of time, here is a brief response:
(M=shuddha madhyam)
1) Raga Khambhavati:
There are two types of Khambavati.
Type 1: A/A - S R M P D S"::S" n D P M G M (M)S
uuuuuu <---meenD
The rAga is derived from the Khamaj thAT. There are traces of Raga Sindhura.
The signature is the peculiar meenD coming from from M to S. A sample chal
with some key phrases is: R M P D S" (S")n (D)P, P D M, G M S
uuuuuuu uuu
DV Paluskar's excellent recording of this Type of Khambavati is instructive.
Type 2: A/A - S G M D n S"::S" n D M G M S
uuu
This is reminiscent of Raga Rageshree and is sung by the Jaipur folks
and a few Kirana people too. See, for instance, Ashwini Bhide's rendition.
2) Raga Parmeshwari
This rAga was developed by Mr Ravi Shankar (of Beatles fame) during the when
when he was exploring Carnatic music. It essentially falls out of an appropriate
grAha-bhedam on Raga Charukeshi. However, the pancham swara is omitted in
Parmeshwari.
A/A: S r g M D n S"::S" n D M g r S
A sample chalan: g M D n D M, g M g r, S
Check out Mr Shankar's excellent recordings of this beautiful rAga. With the
pancham added we can the full scale S r g M P D n which is employed in the
not-so-common (but not-so rare) Raga Ahiri Todi (so-named for the poorAng is
Todi-like and the uttarAng is Ahir Bhairav like).
3) Raga Jogeshwari
This rAga is of recent currency and is a combination of rAgas Jog and
Rageshree. Pancham is varjya.
A/A: S G M D n S"::S" n D M G
A sample chalan: n' S D' n ' S G M, G M (S)g S
uuu
I have heard sitar music in this rAga but it has been a long time.
4) Raga Nayaki
This doode's surname is Kanada. Since the version using the dhaivat is
rare and unpopular (i.e. I don't like it) I will mention only the standard.
A/A: S R P (M)g M P n P S"::S" n P, M P (M)g M R S
It is a kAnaDA prakAr that is closely allied to Raga Suha. What distinguishes
it, in the main, is the characteristic R P (M)g phrase. Some of the chalan
is apparent from the A/A given above. Jitendra Abisheki has composed a
beautiful naTyageeta in this rAga, which for some reason he handed over
to Ramdas Kamat to molest: chandra havA... (from Meea Madhura? Yayati-Devyani?).
5) Raga Bhankar
There is a fair bit of variation in the manner this rare rAga is sung. The
Jaipur folks sing it with both the dhaivats and both the madhyams whereas
the Agra punters employ just the shuddha dhaivat. Even within the Jaipur
school there is no uniformity with some members preferring only the komal
dhaivat.
Mallikarjun Mansur was fond of this rAga (the AIR recording I have a classic)
singing the version with both the dhaivats. The rAga is nominally a derivative
of the Marwa thAT, but the predominant Jaipur treatment renders that assertion
false since it emphasizes a fair bit of the Lalit-ang in the poorvAng, with
its treatment of the two madhyams. Then there is the signature meend (executed
with awe-inspiring facility by Mallikarjun) from the tAr shadaj traversing the
komal dhaivat, tivra madhyam before coming to a halt on the shuddha madhyam.
Now that I have successfully manages to obscure the structure of the rAga
here is a possible set of A/A MM-style:
S M, M G P, m D S"::S" N r" (N)d m M, P G r S
The other version of Bhankar:
A/A: S G M P G, m D S"::S" r" N D m G, P G r S
The presence of raga Bhatiyar will be noticed in bother the versions above.
I don't know Gangeshwari and Yamuneshwari. Where did you come across them?
if there are recordings, please let me know (I hope they are not in
the Indira Kalyan league of Hariprasad Chaurasia or some of the bullshit
'creations' of Amjad Ali). If you detect any typos above, keep it to yourself.
That's all for now. Special apologies to Herr Fuchs for the unfriendly tone.
Auf Wiedersehen,
r
Daniel Fuchs
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote:
>
(...)
>
> 3) Raga Jogeshwari
>
> This rAga is of recent currency and is a combination of rAgas Jog and
> Rageshree. Pancham is varjya.
>
> A/A: S G M D n S"::S" n D M G
>
> A sample chalan: n' S D' n ' S G M, G M (S)g S
> uuu
>
> I have heard sitar music in this rAga but it has been a long time.
>
Also a creation of Ravi Shankar if I am not mistaken. At least he has
recorded it (don't know of anyone else)
I've seen Rag Bhankar linked to Lalit Bhatiyar... Two names for the
same?
(...)
> That's all for now. Special apologies to Herr Fuchs for the unfriendly tone.
>
> Auf Wiedersehen,
>
Apologies appreciated, but what for? Rajanji is sometimes rather direct,
but I've never been at the receiving end... Or is he referring to his
comments about Amjad Ali Khan? Oh well.... He may have taken a comment
of mine in a previous posting personal... But it was just a general
remark.
Amjad Ali Khan will probably eventually compose a raga called "Tribute
to Papua-New Guinea". He's done it for Germany (published on Chhanda
Dhara/Germany) and the USA, available on India Archive Music/USA...
Gangeshwari sounds like R.S. again, but the other one... haven't heard
it either.
Peace....
Daniel
Rajan P. Parrikar
In article <347CAD...@stud2.stud.uni-goettingen.de>
DFu...@stud2.stud.uni-goettingen.de (Daniel Fuchs) writes:
>I've seen Rag Bhankar linked to Lalit Bhatiyar... Two names for the
>same?
Quickly:
No. Lalit-Bhatiyar is a relatively recent development popularized by
Bhimsen Joshi and is a hybrid gotten by cobbling together rAgas Lalit
and Bhatiyar. The two rAgas are compatible and are skillfully combined,
but the seam, so to speak, is still discernable. Raga Bhankar, OTOH, is
an old rAga, redolent of both the Bhatiyar and Lalit flavours, but very
composite in constitution.
Regards,
r
ps: The meend of Mallikarjun Mansur in Raga Bhankar alluded to in my last
post actually begins its descent from the tAr komal rishab (and not the
tAr Sa).
J.M. de Jager
Daniel Fuchs heeft geschreven in bericht
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>Rajan P. Parrikar wrote:
>> 3) Raga Jogeshwari
>> This rAga is of recent currency and is a combination of rAgas Jog and
>> Rageshree. Pancham is varjya.
>> A/A: S G M D n S"::S" n D M G
>> A sample chalan: n' S D' n ' S G M, G M (S)g S
>> uuu
>> I have heard sitar music in this rAga but it has been a long time.
>Also a creation of Ravi Shankar if I am not mistaken. At least he has
>recorded it (don't know of anyone else)
No, if the labeltext of Deutsche Grammophon (by Ellen Hickmann) was correct
it is indeed a creation of Ravi Shankar. This record was produced in 1978.
Later it appeared on CD in India. Some time ago Deutsche Grammophon reissued
in on a much better CD as "The Spirit of India"(where have I heard this
before?) - "Ravi Sankar Plays Ragas"
Greetings, Jan
J.M. de Jager
Rajiv Chakravarti heeft geschreven in bericht
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>Hello,
>
> Could someone please let me know the raga scales and
>chalans for the following:
>
> - Raga Khambavati
> - Raga Gangeshwari
> - Raga Yamuneshwari
> - Raga Pameshwari
> - Raga Jogeshwari
> - Raga Nayaki
> - Raga Bhankaar
>
>I appreciate any help in the matter. Please also forward replies
>(if possible) to:
> rajiv.ch...@wichita.boeing.com
>
>Thanks a lot.
>
>Regards,
>Rajiv
These are rare raga's indeed! I used all my resources to help you, but I
could only find Rag Khambavati and Rag Nayaki (also called Nayaki Kanada).
There is also a Karnatic Rag Kanada, but probably you mean the Hindustani
Rag?
Rag Khambavati: (Khammaj That) s r m p d p d 's - 's n d p d m g m s
Rag Nayaki: (Kafi That) ,n s r p g m p 's n 's - 's n p m p g m r s
(, means lower octave, ' means higher octave) My source was RAGA DHANA - An
Alpha -numerical directory of ragas, by Ludwig Pesch.
Greetings,
Jan