Aasai mugam marandhu poche..
anura...@my-dejanews.com
is one more.
Aasai mugam marandhu poche
idhai yaaridam solvenadi thozhi.
well. I have heard this sung ONLY as a ragamalika. But a friend of mine told
me that GNB used to sing it in Bhimplas.
WEll the ragamalika version that I have listened to has the following..anyone
else who has heard the same version (Sudha Raghunathan) want to help me with
the third raga??
Aasai mugam marandhu - Jonpuri
Kannil Theriyudhoru thotram - Desh
Thenai Marandhirukkum Vandum - ???? [a raga with the same "morning" feel like
bowli, bhoopalam etc]
Kannan Mugam Marandhu ponaal - Revathi
and talking about Bhimplas..is it the same as Abheri?
are Bhimplas, Abheri, Karnataka Devagandhari and Devagandharam
[panchashat peetaroopini - dikshitar] the SAME raga?
thanks in advance for your replies
Vinod
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Karnataka Devagandhari are essentially the same. But Abheri can have Suddha
Dhaivata also. In fact, Abheri used to be sung with Suddha Dhaivata as in
Vinabheri and Kayarohanesam of Muthuswami Dikshitar. It is said that
Papanasam Sivan used to sing with Suddha Dhaivata. Bhimplas is the Hindustani
version of Karnataka Devagandhari. Devagandharam of Dikshitar is the
Karnataka Devagandhari. Sankrith
In article <72ici8$vl0$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
Subramanian
the same.
Subramanian
anura...@my-dejanews.com wrote in article
<72ici8$vl0$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
Srini Pichumani
<sank...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>The third raga is Vasanthi (ie) Mohanam with a Suddha Dhaivata. Abheri and
>Karnataka Devagandhari are essentially the same. But Abheri can have Suddha
>Dhaivata also. In fact, Abheri used to be sung with Suddha Dhaivata as in
>Vinabheri and Kayarohanesam of Muthuswami Dikshitar. It is said that
>Papanasam Sivan used to sing with Suddha Dhaivata. Bhimplas is the Hindustani
>version of Karnataka Devagandhari. Devagandharam of Dikshitar is the
>Karnataka Devagandhari. Sankrith
A correction - according to the Dikshitar musical tradition, "kAyArohaNes'am"
is set in Devagaandhaara(m), not Abheri.
"vINAbherI" is indeed in the AbherI you mention - only s'uddha dhaivatam
is used.
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As for "nagumOmu ganaleni", in recent times only S.Rajam, due to his guru
Papanaasam Sivan's influence, sings it exclusively with s'uddha Dh. Most
others sing it exclusively with chatus's'ruti Dh. Some like TNS sing Abheri
raga with an occasional touch of s'uddha Dh - this practice too has ample
precedents.
Balamurali sang Abheri AlApanA in an intriguing way with the Dh almost playing
hide and seek - in a concert in Toledo in '93 ... Prof.S.R.Janakiraman, who I
later quizzed on this, said that it was Balamurali's unique way out of this
"controversy" that has raged almost since 1930, with the raaga lakshaNa
discussions of that era involving Tiger, Muthiah Bhagavatar, Hulugur
Krishnaachar, etc.
Amy Ruth Catlin has surveyed the changing facets of Abheri quite well in an
article in a recent issue of Journal of the Music Academy, Madras (vol LXVI)
(1996 ?). She mentions the influence of the Hindustaani raga Bhimpalas
in the evolution of Abheri - a point that the late Prof.S.Ramanathan used to
stress in his discussion of Abheri.
-Srini.
ps: Abheri/Karnataka DevagandhArI seems to crop up at least once or twice a
year on an average ever since this group's inception in '92 !!!
Srini Pichumani
>
>It is my understanding that Bimplas and Karnataka Devaghnadari are one and
>the same.
>
>Subramanian
As regards this, Prof.S.Ramanathan used to point out that there
is a straightforward P D2 P usage in Bhimpalas which hasn't yet
found its way into modern Abheri aka Karnaataka Devagandhaarii
usage !
-Srini.