Janab, Ustad, Pandit or no title??
imppio
"Janab"; Sitar artist Shahid Parvez as "Ustad"; Ulhas Kashalkar and
Sanjeev Abhyankar have been mentioned as "Pandits" where as Ramesh
Mishra had no title.
I am specifically intrigued by title "Janab". Can Anirban, r.d. golub
or other knowledgeable people throw some light on this?
cheers,
imppio
a c
I have a feeling that Akram consciously avoids calling himself "Ustad"
-- or letting others do so. Bowled over by his playing, I had once
mentioned him as "Ustad" Akram Khan, and he gave me a piece of his
mind. He is one of the best tabaliyas around today, and I feel truly
fortunate to have had the opportunity to perform with him. "Janab", in
urdu, is a rough equivalent of the English "Mr." and Hindi "Shri".
In HCM parlance, the title "Pandit" is meant to reflect one's
erudition, and not merely their musicianship/virtuosity. Given this
presumption, IMO, it would be incorrect to call either Sanjeev or
Ramesh "Pandit", though they are both extraordinarily good musicians.
But Ulhas Kashalkar is a different story -- he IS the music (borrowing
the phrase George Harrison had so stupidly used to describe Anoushka
S). "Ustad", however, is a different story. In the contemporary times,
very few Muslim musicians with intolerble to semi-tolerable abilities
are shy of declaring themselves "Ustads" (as exemplified by Kadar, et
al). Akram's attitude is a breath of fresh air in this regard.
Recently, a twenty-three year old part-Muslim sarodiya was introduced
as "Ustad XXXXX XXX XXXXXXX" at a Calcutta concert sponsored by a
major media house.
Cheers,
Arnab
bdixit
needs to "self appoint" himself either as a Pandit or as an
Ustad........BND
A Pavan
> -- or letting others do so. Bowled over by his playing, I had once
> mentioned him as "Ustad" Akram Khan, and he gave me a piece of his
> mind. He is one of the best tabaliyas around today, and I feel truly
> fortunate to have had the opportunity to perform with him. "Janab", in
> urdu, is a rough equivalent of the English "Mr." and Hindi "Shri".
Akram Khan is indeed a very high quality Tabla player - I heard him
recently in the Twin Cities with Shubhendra Rao (Sitar) and was very
impressed. His solo CD released by Rageshree Records is also very good.
Is this NY concert being recorded for a commercial release?
> Recently, a twenty-three year old part-Muslim sarodiya was introduced
> as "Ustad XXXXX XXX XXXXXXX" at a Calcutta concert sponsored by a
> major media house.
That must be one of the junior Bangashes! Come on - say his name out loud.
Pavan
Havanur
> -- or letting others do so. Bowled over by his playing, I had once
> mentioned him as "Ustad" Akram Khan, and he gave me a piece of his
> mind. He is one of the best tabaliyas around today, and I feel truly
> fortunate to have had the opportunity to perform with him. "Janab", in
> urdu, is a rough equivalent of the English "Mr." and Hindi "Shri".
>
I think the more respectable "Shrimaan" is closer to Janab.
>
> Recently, a twenty-three year old part-Muslim
Which part?! ... sorry, couldn't resist that one.
Havanur
Abhik Majumdar
Dad, if I guessed right. Not difficult to work out, if one looks at
way Arnab has distributed the Xs. OTOH, I couldn't figure out which of
two brothers he was referring to, not that I hold with such Bang-trash
either way.
Abhik
Manohar Bodas
Ok then what do you call a woman? Begum? and if she is not a Begum may
be Khanoum? Banu? Narik? I have not heard any but Begum.
MB
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> >
>
debjoy
i think there is a title called 'bidushi' that is given
by All India Radio currently to the female artists, also AIR has
their own gradation system of artists. in the days of past , this
gradation was done by distinguished famous artists of that time but i
am not sure what system of gradation they are following now. any new
facts or deabates are welcome.
-debjoy
bod...@yahoo.com (Manohar Bodas) wrote in message news:<889afaf7.03100...@posting.google.com>...
Manohar Bodas
> hi everybody!,
> i think there is a title called 'bidushi' that is given
> by All India Radio currently to the female artists, also AIR has
Bidushi?
*Was it done by AIR Calcutta?
MB
debjoy
MR. MANOHAR may be true, bcoz i watched an 1 hour
discussion on DD BANGLA sometime before where the topic was
"standardization of using titles like pandit & ustad, etc." , although
personalities present there (including AIR person) were bengalis but
the discussion was not confined within bengali ICM tradition only.
but as i have already said may be this is true for AIR BENGALI only.
i am sorry for the fact that i have presented the fact without proper
verification. waiting for further info..........
-debjoy
ps: also can anybody tell whether any other authority other than AIR
does
the gradation of artists of ICM (for both north indian classical
and carnatic classical music?)
Akash
Sahasrabuddhe & others...& once for Begum Parveen Sultana :) Read some
articles, heard in LIVE Programs...etc.
AG
Manohar Bodas
The only Pandita I know is Pandita Ramabai. The female artists are
often addressed as Shrimati.
If this is a new style I do not know.
I wonder when this Pandit started. Most of the Gayaks were Bua, like
Bhasker Buwa, Vaze Bua.
The females: Hirabai, Sunderabai. Sidheswari Devi.
MB
naniwadekar
"Manohar Bodas" <bod...@yahoo.com> wrote -
>
> The only Pandita I know is Pandita Ramabai. The female artists are
> often addressed as Shrimati.
>
Moroba Bodas - Do a google-search on 'pandita xxxx'
with
xxxx = mogubai / kishori / malini
and (if you manage to spell the names correct) you will meow,
no-no you'll kneow, no-no-no-no (this bloody English spelling,
flying aeroplanes is easier in comparison) you will knowoo
a few moreoo pandita-s, Moroo Bodas. Have fun, Sir.
Manohar Bodas
> "Manohar Bodas" <bod...@yahoo.com> wrote -
> >
> > The only Pandita I know is Pandita Ramabai. The female artists are
> > often addressed as Shrimati.
> >
>
Do you how to spell " Shinde Khan" Do a search and find what you wrote.
Very interesting Dhenu. Check again.
MB
a c
> > I have a feeling that Akram consciously avoids calling himself "Ustad"
> > -- or letting others do so. Bowled over by his playing, I had once
> > mentioned him as "Ustad" Akram Khan, and he gave me a piece of his
> > mind. He is one of the best tabaliyas around today, and I feel truly
> > fortunate to have had the opportunity to perform with him. "Janab", in
> > urdu, is a rough equivalent of the English "Mr." and Hindi "Shri".
>
> Akram Khan is indeed a very high quality Tabla player - I heard him
> recently in the Twin Cities with Shubhendra Rao (Sitar) and was very
> impressed. His solo CD released by Rageshree Records is also very good.
Shubhendra Rao's alap and sense of raagdari has been remarkably
appealing lately. He's been on my mp3 playlist for a number of weeks
now. One can hope that the large shadow of RS will gradually recede to
the corners. His instrument's tonal quality is already more appealing
to my ear than RS's sitar (at the risk of starting another "sitar
wars"). But then, my appreciation of sitar sound is not gharanically
defined - I like Nikhil Banerjee's sound the most, followed by Nayan,
Rais, Niladri, Shahid, Purbayan, etc.
> Is this NY concert being recorded for a commercial release?
One can hope it is, for rarely does one find Shahid Pervez on tour
with a quality tabla player (apart from his sporadic adventures with
Anindo-da).
> > Recently, a twenty-three year old part-Muslim sarodiya was introduced
> > as "Ustad XXXXX XXX XXXXXXX" at a Calcutta concert sponsored by a
> > major media house.
>
> That must be one of the junior Bangashes! Come on - say his name out loud.
Aye. The name does not matter (you can draw an inference from the age
cited in my report), and please note that I have not expressed a
personal opinion on the act (per se) of introducing one of them as an
"Ustad".
Cheers,
a
a c
> > -- or letting others do so. Bowled over by his playing, I had once
> > mentioned him as "Ustad" Akram Khan, and he gave me a piece of his
> > mind. He is one of the best tabaliyas around today, and I feel truly
> > fortunate to have had the opportunity to perform with him. "Janab", in
> > urdu, is a rough equivalent of the English "Mr." and Hindi "Shri".
>
> Akram Khan is indeed a very high quality Tabla player - I heard him
> recently in the Twin Cities with Shubhendra Rao (Sitar) and was very
> impressed. His solo CD released by Rageshree Records is also very good.
Shubhendra Rao's alap and sense of raagdari has been remarkably
appealing lately. He's been on my mp3 playlist for a number of weeks
now. One can hope that the large shadow of RS will gradually recede to
the corners. His instrument's tonal quality is already more appealing
to my ear than RS's sitar (at the risk of starting another "sitar
wars"). But then, my appreciation of sitar sound is not gharanically
defined - I like Nikhil Banerjee's sound the most, followed by Nayan,
Rais, Niladri, Shahid, Purbayan, etc.
> Is this NY concert being recorded for a commercial release?
One can hope it is, for rarely does one find Shahid Pervez on tour
with a quality tabla player (apart from his sporadic adventures with
Anindo-da).
> > Recently, a twenty-three year old part-Muslim sarodiya was introduced
> > as "Ustad XXXXX XXX XXXXXXX" at a Calcutta concert sponsored by a
> > major media house.
>
> That must be one of the junior Bangashes! Come on - say his name out loud.
Aye. The name does not matter (you can draw an inference from the age