INDIAN EXPRESS ARTICLE ON BADE GHULAM
naqikhan
TO ALL THE NEWS GROUP READERS
INDIAN EXPRESS ARTICLE ON
USTAD BADE GHULAM ALI KHAN
HI
i am NAQI ALI KHAN grandson of USTAD BADE GHULAM ALI KHAN residing
in toronto canada
had to chance to read an article on my grandfather which was
published in indian express and i saw in the news group which was
refered by mr HARISH i was very suprised to read all the indecent
information about my grand father that he was invited in mr harish's
father house and where khansahib dip his thumb in the bowl and
look for meat what shame i can imagine what kind of mean person he
would be who invited khansahib at his residence and khan sahib must
be upset from his hosting because he seemes to be a very filthy and
very ignorent person who wrote such a low and mean article about such
a great indian classical vocalist whose contribution in indian music
will always be remembered and all the new generation will be benifited
till the last day of this world i know more than any body else about
my grand father he was a generious very kind and dervish artist who
never cared about money fame and all so called meterialistic things i
remebered in bombay there wa s post man used to come and khansahib always
served him with love and after noon tea or lunch and once he said to
khan sahib that he has one daughter and her wedding time is close and
he doesn't have any money to do any arrangement for the wedding and than
he asked khansahib and khansahib smiled and said no problem i will
give you than he called my grandmother and told her to give him 1500
rupees in mid 50's and than he gave him he was crying and than
khansahib said don't worry about returning this she is like my daughter
and there are lots of reall incidents happened where we have seen his
generiousity so how this mr harish can tell the indian expressin in a
mean manner about our grand father there are some jealous people from
his music who can't do any thing so they writes thing like that our
grandfather and all our ancesteres were always the one who used to be the
speciall loving and honourable court musicians of the raja's and
maharaja's so who could be like this theses are all fasle stories i
will say to the editor and the jounalist of the indian express he should
think before he writes any thing about the SUR DEVTA PADMA BHUSHAN DOCTOR
OF LITERATURE SANGEET SAMRAAT AFTAAB MOSEQUEE and the pride of our
great COUNTRY INDIA USTAD BADE GHULAM ALI KHAN and than he said his
son MUNWAR ALI KHAN DIED IN 70'S HE DIDN'T DIED IN 70'S HE DIED IN
OCTBER 1989 and he had sung along his father incredibly and even after
his death he has done agreat job for the indian classical music ask
LATA GE GHULAM ALI VILYAT KHAN SAHIB AMJAD ALI KHAN ALI AKBER ALI
KHAN AND ALL THOSE WHO LOVE INDIAN MUSIC ABOUT BADE GHULAM ALI KHAN
well thank GOD my elder brothers USTAD MAZHER ALI KHAN USTAD JAWAAD
ALI KHAN in NEW DELHI INDIA doing
great and keeping the patial ghrana AND BADE GHULAM ALI KHAN'S MUSIC
AND FAMILY ALIVE i NAQI ALI KHAN runing a muisc academy here in canada
after the name of my grandfather ustad bade ghulam ali khan music
academy of toronto and teaching patial gayaki to all the music lovers and
RAZA ALI KHAN son of USTAD MUNAWAR ALI KHAN IS ALSO BASED IN GERMANY
AND KEEPING THE GHRANA A LIVE i think the repoters have not enough info
about our family so kindly any one who wanna write any thing about
khansahib should contact us MY SELF NAQI ALI KHAN
subr...@hotmail.com or my brothers in india MAZHER ALI KHAN AND JAWAAD
ALI KHAN @ 0119112 618 1150 GET THE PERMISSION and don't BELEIVE
IN ALL THE FALSE INFO they write in order to expolite USTAD BADE GHULAM
ALIKHAN SAHIB 'S IMAGE. .
ARTICLE BY
NAQI ALI KHAN
GRANDSON OF USTAD BADE GHULAM ALI KHAN.
naniwadekar
"naqikhan" <naqi...@look.ca> wrote -
>
> i remebered in bombay there wa s post man used to
> come and khansahib always
> served him with love and after noon tea or lunch and
> once he said to khan sahib that he has one daughter
> and her wedding time is close and
> he doesn't have any money to do any arrangement
> for the wedding and than he asked khansahib and khansahib
> smiled and said no problem i will
> give you than he called my grandmother and told her
> to give him 1500 rupees in mid 50's
>
Oh, Khan Sahib; I had geared myself for a dramatic twist
expecting that Bade Ghulam then asked you to step up
and that the poor postman's daughter was today your
devoted wife. I confess I am a bit disappointed with only
Rs 1,500. That is only US$30, sir (at today's exchange rate).
But do relax; take life easy. The said article does not necessarily
reflect badly on your grandfather. His greatness is duly
praised in the article.
Itu Chaudhuri
> Rs 1,500. That is only US$30, sir (at today's exchange rate).
Now, now, Nani, not only is that churlish, it's not-so-good economics.
Do use an inflation series to figure how much that would be worth in
today's rupees, and if you must dollarise it, dear man, do consider
PPP, won't you, there's a good chap? Ashok Dhareshwar can probably do
the math in a couple of matra-s. You'll probably find the sum
worthwhile.
By the way, the thumb-in-the-curry incident has chestnut status in the
BGAK lore, and has been related by Sheila Dhar in her book (among
others), and I have heard BGAK's dismay on not finding meat in the
katori, told in Punjabi in the most hilarious way. If anything it
reflects most endearingly on the big guy's appetite, and unless Mr
Harish managed to transform it in the telling, does little credit to
"mr harish's father house and where khansahib dip his thumb". One
feels, not without amusement, though, for Naqi who is on better ground
when he writes: "what shame i can imagine what kind of mean
person he would be who invited khansahib at his residence and
khan sahib must be upset from his hosting". But naturally!
warmly
Itu
Vijayendra Rao
> naniwadekar:
> > I confess I am a bit disappointed with only
> > Rs 1,500. That is only US$30, sir (at today's exchange rate).
>
> Now, now, Nani, not only is that churlish, it's not-so-good economics.
> Do use an inflation series to figure how much that would be worth in
> today's rupees, and if you must dollarise it, dear man, do consider
> PPP, won't you, there's a good chap? Ashok Dhareshwar can probably do
> the math in a couple of matra-s. You'll probably find the sum
> worthwhile.
>
Itu - surely you must know that PPPs are not very reliable either.
There are also some serious issues about the CPI basket - they may
result in biased deflators. Maybe Nani should use Deaton's Unit Price
CPI and PPP series calculated from multiple rounds of the NSS. Also,
there is an issue about what the money for the marriage was for -
gold, celebrations, food? Each may require a different CPI concept.
Note, also that redistributive gifts suffer from a problem that rich
giftors consume different baskets than poor giftees -which
substantially complicates the problem of obtaining appropriate price
indeces.
Perhaps we can all agree on the following:
1) Listening to Ustad BGAK makes thinking about all these things far
more pleasurable.
2) Patiala is in Punjab.
3) Ajoy C. is no BGAK.
naniwadekar
"Vijayendra Rao" <biju...@hotmail.com> wrote -
>
> Perhaps we can all agree on the following:
> 1) Listening to Ustad BGAK makes thinking about all these
> things far more pleasurable.
> 2) Patiala is in Punjab.
> 3) Ajoy C. is no BGAK.
There are some people who would argue Patiala is in Khalistan.
On #3, tihai-kaa-agreement : yes. Yes. YES.
About #1, I don't just agree his singing makes his thumb-dipping
story pleasurable but the other way, too, the thing makes sense.
His thumb-dipping makes his singing more pleasurable. Indeed,
Khan Sahab himself considered it *essential* to his singing.
As for inflation-adjustments and other arcane matters, none
of it can be a substitute for Naqi Sahab's stepping forth
to help out the postman. Hamne kya sapna sajaya aur
sachchaaii kuchh aur thi. (I am resisting the temptation
to spell 'thi' as 'thee', Et-Tu.) If you people continue to be
concerned only with the money-aspect of it, Rao and Itu,
I will get seriously churlish now.
- dn
Abhik Majumdar
> BGAK lore, and has been related by Sheila Dhar in her book (among
> others), and I have heard BGAK's dismay on not finding meat in the
> katori, told in Punjabi in the most hilarious way. If anything it
> reflects most endearingly on the big guy's appetite, and unless Mr
> Harish managed to transform it in the telling, does little credit to
> "mr harish's father house and where khansahib dip his thumb".
Did a little Google search on the topic. For the record, the "Indian
Express article" Naqi refers to is actually an extract from Dhar's
book. Harish posts it *in response* to an article in the Indian
Express about how someone (not mentioned, but M L Vasanthakumari's
father would be my guess) served Khansahib non-veg food in an upstairs
room.
Also, the "father" in question is Dhar's, not Harish's. The relevant
thread is titled "When BGAK was trapped in a puritanical vegetarian
household......... "
Abhik
Chetan Vinchhi
"Itu Chaudhuri" <icde...@vsnl.com> wrote...
>
> Ashok Dhareshwar can probably do
> the math in a couple of matra-s. You'll probably find the sum
> worthwhile.
Ashok, be sure to begin your math at "dhin"!!
C
Ashok
>
>
>"Itu Chaudhuri" <icde...@vsnl.com> wrote...
>>
>> Ashok Dhareshwar can probably do
>> the math in a couple of matra-s. You'll probably find the sum
>> worthwhile.
How right you are!
>Ashok, be sure to begin your math at "dhin"!!
>
>C
OK. Here goes.
I am not familiar with Deaton's unit price CPI and Vijayendra Rao's
further ideas are difficult to implement. The calculations suggested
by Itu, however, are easy to perform.
1. Exchange rate in 1955 was Rs 4.764 per US$.
1. One particular estimate on PPP basis for 1955 is Rs. 2.081 per US$.
3. Urban CPI for the U.S. in 2003 is 6.858 times that in 1955.
So, the Rs 1,500 that Khan Saheb gave the postman in 1955 is
equivalent to:
* US$ 314.86 in 1955 in straight exchange-rate terms
* US$ 720.81 in 1955 on purchasing-power parity basis
* US$ 2,159.32 in 2003 in exchange-rate terms
* US$ 4,943.30 in 2003 on purchasing-power parity basis
And Naniwadekar's Idiocy Quotient is:
* Very conservative estimate: 314.86/30 = 10.50
* Somewhat conservative estimate: 720.81/30 = 24.03
* More up-to-date estimate: 2,159/30 = 71.98
* Reasonably accurate estimate: 4,943.30/30 = 164.78
I am eager to know Vijayendra Rao's estimates, but do note
that Naniwadekar is already at a genius level, that too
without multipying by 100!
Ashok
PS: The quantities used are available on the net.
1 and 2 are at http://pwt.econ.upenn.edu/
3 is at http://minneapolisfed.org/research/data/us/calc/hist1913.cfm
Vijayendra Rao
> that Naniwadekar is already at a genius level, that too
> without multipying by 100!
>
>
My response to Itu was partly tan in cheek.
But critiquing and updating existing CPI and PPP methodologies is the
subject of some cutting-edge research right now. So implementing them
is indeed difficult. Ashok's methods represent the current state of
the art and are used widely by the UN, World Bank and others. Suffice
it to say that the new methods would not reduce the idiot quotient.