Diwali and Ragas
Mike Barber
Hindu Students Association (McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario,
Canada) has invited me to play at one of their celebrations for Diwali and I
would like to play something appropriate.
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May all beings attain perfect peace,
Ch'anyom Mike Barber
naniwadekar
"Mike Barber" <mike....@sympatico.ca> wrote -
Shri Perfect Peace -
Are you going to play Indian Music because you know how to
play it or merely because it seems an appropriate choice of music
to you? Ask your guru whether there is any raag for Diwali and
then enlighetn us here with his/her answer.
- dn
Rajan P. Parrikar
>Does anyone know if there are any Ragas that are for Diwali? The McMaster
>Hindu Students Association (McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario,
>Canada) has invited me to play at one of their celebrations for Diwali and I
>would like to play something appropriate.
Pannalal Ghosh has a recording of the (self-conceived, I think)
Raga Deepavali.
Warm regards,
r
Mike Barber
"naniwadekar" <nani3...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Are you going to play Indian Music because you know how to
> play it or merely because it seems an appropriate choice of music
> to you? Ask your guru whether there is any raag for Diwali and
> then enlighetn us here with his/her answer.
I will be playing some Indian Music because I know how to (I would not dare
to claim to be an expert, but only a student who is learning). I was
invited to perform by a member of the Hindu Student Association by one of
their members who saw me playing sitar at the university. She enjoyed my
playing and asked if I would play for them.
I do not have a guru. I have been learning on my own through study and
through the help of learned people I have met through resources like this
newsgroup. Being a Zen Buddhist, my practice is greatly influenced by my
meditation and spiritual practice, thus playing the sitar has become part of
my Zen path. I do not restrict my sitar playing to Indian Music, but
explore a variety of improvised (and not improvised) styles including Korean
Sanjo, which is a folk style using improvisation in a similar way to Indian
Music. Sanjo is played by a solo musician accompanied only by a drum.
Often the solo musician plays the Komungo (a 6-string zither), Kayagum (a
12-string zither, sometimes up to 21 strings) or P'iri (a bamboo oboe).
Surajit A. Bose
"Mike Barber" <mike....@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Does anyone know if there are any Ragas that are for Diwali?
Well, Deepak would seem appropriate ....
-s
Batish Institue of Indian Music and Fine Arts
I just visited your SAWF compilations ... in one word ****** awesome! It
truly is an exceptional collection of recordings and naratives.Please drop
me an email when you get a chance
a s h w i n @ b a t i s h . c o m (my incognito email)
As far as I can tell from my Ragopedia research notes, there is raga called
Deepavali. Here is the arohi/avarohi (M' = tivra Ma) ..... The information
I found, puts this raga in Kalyan Thaat, play time is late evening, vadi is
Shudha Madhyam and the samvadi is Shadaja. Both forms of Madhyam are applied
as in Raga Lalita of Marava thaat. I've heard my father, Pt. Shiv.Dayal
Batish, play this on his dilruba it is really very very haunting and
beautiful.
S R G M M' M D N S' | S N D M' M G M G R S
Here is a Doha written by my father
(Rasik is his poetic name given by his guruji Chandan Ram Charan of Patiala)
Lalit Style Deepavali, in Kalyan cut Pa
Both forms of Ma Rasik, Samvaad of Ma Sa
It's pakar is explained by him as being
N D M' M, G M G R S, R G M M' M
I don't know if this resembles what Pannalal Ghoshji was playing and I'd be
curious to know if you have this recording handy.
All the best and Happy Deepavali! Gotta run, I hear the Pooja bells going
off :)
Ashwin Batish
"Rajan P. Parrikar" <mylas...@yaaahoo.com> wrote in message
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Rajan P. Parrikar
>I don't know if this resembles what Pannalal Ghoshji was playing and I'd be
>curious to know if you have this recording handy.
Of course. See http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/l/010117
Warm regards,
r
Havanur
> Does anyone know if there are any Ragas that are for Diwali? The McMaster
> Hindu Students Association (McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario,
> Canada) has invited me to play at one of their celebrations for Diwali and I
> would like to play something appropriate.
The most appropriate raga is of course Deepak Kedar. Dr Parrikar has
provided its aroha and avaroha in his essay on the Variants of Kedar.
http://www.sawf.org/Newedit/edit04162001/musicarts.asp
The lights should come on when you hit both the teevra madhyams
with the most appropriate intensity.
Havanur
Ajay Nerurkar
> I just visited your SAWF compilations ... in one word ****** awesome!
Isn't that two words?
> a s h w i n @ b a t i s h . c o m (my incognito email)
Not very incognito any more, is it?
> Lalit Style Deepavali, in Kalyan cut Pa
> Both forms of Ma Rasik, Samvaad of Ma Sa
Fascinating, but the effect would have been greatly heightened had they
rhymed.
Ajay
Batish Institue of Indian Music and Fine Arts
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>
> > I just visited your SAWF compilations ... in one word ****** awesome!
> > Isn't that two words?
Only if you like filling in the blanks ;)
>
> > a s h w i n @ b a t i s h . c o m (my incognito email)
> Not very incognito any more, is it?
Don't worry. I just didn't want it clickable in any post I put up anymore or
be searchable easily etc. Besides it was meant for Rajan only. I lost his
email and was trying to get it in his hands.
>
> > Lalit Style Deepavali, in Kalyan cut Pa
> > Both forms of Ma Rasik, Samvaad of Ma Sa
>
> Fascinating, but the effect would have been greatly heightened had they
> rhymed.
It rhymes fine to me. A two line doha is more a learning tool than a work of
literary finesse.
> Ajay
AB
Surajit A. Bose
"Batish Institue of Indian Music and Fine Arts" <info@batis h.com>
wrote:
> > > Lalit Style Deepavali, in Kalyan cut Pa
> > > Both forms of Ma Rasik, Samvaad of Ma Sa
> >
> > Fascinating, but the effect would have been greatly heightened had they
> > rhymed.
>
> It rhymes fine to me. A two line doha is more a learning tool than a work of
> literary finesse.
Thanks for clarifying.
-s
naniwadekar
"Ajay Nerurkar" <ajayne...@yahoo1729.com> wrote -
>
>
> > Lalit Style Deepavali, in Kalyan cut Pa
> > Both forms of Ma Rasik, Samvaad of Ma Sa
>
> Fascinating, but the effect would have been greatly heightened
> had they rhymed.
>
Please read Pa as 'paa' to make them rhyme 'aa'kaar-wise.
In Lata's rendition of Kusumagraj's famous (Marathi) poem :
aaDavaaTelaa duur ek maaL
taruu tyaavaratii ekalaa vishaal
aaNi tyaachyaa bilagu~niyaa padaas
jiirNa paaCHoLaa paDe to udaas,
one stanza ends with 'muuk saare he paahato bichaaraa'
and it is kind of seen to fail to rhyme with 'udaas'. I find
the effect quite jarring.
Later there is an 'a'kar-wise rhyme :
pari paaCHoLaa dise nitya shaant(a)
jiirNa ......... udaas(a)
and even this limited unwitting rhyme provides a massive
relief after the earlier fiasco. But now the mystery is cleared.
Kusumagraj was just trying to render necessary conditions
of rhyme less stringent for the putative lakshan-geet writers.
This deepavali has finally lit one 'tube-light' in my head to
emit that shaft of light.
"Havanur" <hav...@worldnet.att.net> wrote -
>
> The most appropriate raga is of course Deepak Kedar. Dr Parrikar has
> provided its aroha and avaroha in his essay on the Variants of Kedar.
>
Dr Parrikar has also made it clear that Deepak Kedar has
nought to do with Raag Deepak. Check his rmic post
dated 24 Sept 2000.
>
> The lights should come on when you hit both the teevra madhyams
> with the most appropriate intensity.
>
Dinkar Kaikini had sung Deepak in a concert in Canada around 1980.
During his announcement before he started alap, he jokingly asked
organizers to make sure that power supply won't be interrupted
during the recital.
- dn
Batish Institue of Indian Music and Fine Arts
> Please read Pa as 'paa' to make them rhyme 'aa'kaar-wise.
I get it ... thanks Nani. Haven't been doing this for a while.
Here is the doha again with (hopefully) the correct phonetic spelling :)
"Lalit Style Deepaavali, in Kalyaan cut Paa"
"Both forms of Maa Rasik, Samvaad of Maa Saa"
AB
I need to browse around a bit and get familiarized with what is being used
by all the RMIC members for
Hindi/English phonetic spelling scheme and displaying Indian music notation
using English alphabets?
Any faqs anyone can recommend?
a c
It is also important to note that Deepavali has been rechristened
Lalita Dhwani and circulated widely on the concert stage since the
late '80s by Ustad Amjad Ali Khan. The underpinnings of this raga lie
in the basic Shuddha Basant material which has been tweaked with the
lalit-anga (N R GM-mMGM; M GM D m D; m D N R N Dm M).
-Arnab
A Pavan
I have heard Vijay Raghav Rao also perform the so called Raga Deepavali.
He did a special show for Doordarshan many many years ago - I remember
seeing it on Diwali night - Raga Deepavali was the main draw that evening.
There were vocal compositions, instrumental orchestral pieces and dances
performed on this Raga.
Anyone know the scale of this Raga?
Pavan
Abhinav Jawadekar
Pt. Kumar Gandharva has created a raga called
Dhanabasanti to celebrate Diwali. Venus has released
a recording of one of his live concerts featuring his
rendering of "Deep ki jyot jare..." in this raga.
Abhinav
John Holm
> I will be playing some Indian Music because I
> know how to (I would not dare to claim to be an
> expert, but only a student who is learning).
> I have been learning on my own through study and
> through the help of learned people I have met
> through resources like this newsgroup. Being a
> Zen Buddhist, my practice is greatly influenced
> by my meditation and spiritual practice, thus
> playing the sitar has become part of my Zen path.
> I do not restrict my sitar playing to Indian Music,
> but explore a variety of improvised (and not
> improvised) styles including Korean Sanjo, which
> is a folk style using improvisation in a similar
> way to Indian Music.
Ha ha ha!
Mike Barber
"John Holm" <john_ho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Ha ha ha!
???
John Thomas
"Mike Barber" <mike....@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Anyone who thinks he "is" a Zen Buddhist is already lost.
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-Regards,
John Thomas
Mike Barber
"John Thomas" <jwth...@sonic.net> wrote in message
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> Anyone who thinks he "is" a Zen Buddhist is already lost.
And what is there to be said for those who, with insincere heart, engage in
such self-gratifying and indolent sophisms? Are they any more or less lost?
Please, Mr. Thomas, we both know what I meant. Rather than leaping at the
chance to mock another to make yourself appear the wiser, you may wish to
spend more time with ass on cushion. It is the ignorant, not the wise, who
indulges in such ego gratification. Your attempt at enlightened rhetoric
has exposed you to be as transparent as the wind.
John Thomas
"Mike Barber" <mike....@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Ha ha ha!
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-Regards,
John Thomas