Question about raga time of day
Pankaj Joshi
Ken Steiglitz <k...@kastle.Princeton.EDU> wrote:
>I hope this isn't taken to be a facetious question, I've
>wondered about it for some time. Does the time of day
>associated with a particular raga apply to the earth's
>rotation or the body clock of the listener? For example,
>I'm going to sleep "tonight" at about dawn. Is a dawn
>raga considered appropriate for my bedtime listening,
>or a late night raga? Is it my state that should be
>relevant, or the fact that the sun is rising?
I think it is neither the earth's rotation nor the 'body clock' but it is
the mood of the listener. If our moods have to be generalized then they
will fit well with the earth's rotation as well as our body clock. e.g.
feeling fresh after waking up in the morning or feeling pensive at dusk etc.
If I am going to bed at dawn what seems to fit my mood is late night raga
Lalit or morning raga Todi expressing the longing (compositions like 'rainaa
jaagi birahaa ki maarii-I stayed awake whole night due to pain of
separation'). Do you have same mood while going to bed at 10 am and at 4
am? I dont. So a midnight raga may not work for me.
Pankaj
prakash
It seems to me like mood is ALSO controlled by dominant
sound frequencies in a context. For instance, if I turn
the exhaust fan in the kitchen I am reminded of only certain
melodies ( ragas ), if I am driving my car, without the stereo on, it is
another set of melodies, and hence invariably thrown into specific moods depending
on context frequencies heard.
An agreeable observation?
Recently I heard "Bhimpalas", a lot, late in the evenings.
I don't know when it is supposed to be heard.
Can anyone tell me characteristics of the raga with regard to
emotions, moods etc.?
Prakash Muniyappa
mpra...@ingr.com
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WARVIJ
>>>I hope this isn't taken to be a facetious question, I've
>wondered about it for some time. Does the time of day
>associated with a particular raga apply to the earth's
>rotation or the body clock of the listener? For example,
>I'm going to sleep "tonight" at about dawn. Is a dawn
>raga considered appropriate for my bedtime listening,
>or a late night raga? Is it my state that should be
>relevant, or the fact that the sun is rising?
There are no facetious questions, only questions asked
facetiously.
The raga-time correlation has a clear exposition in
Nazir Jairazbhoy's book.
But to answer your question, the correlation is to the
external clock -- not to the listener/performer's
metabolism.
Otherwise all the artistes who sing morning raags at
the close of lengthy mehfils would then be expected
to stay up all day -- rather than going home and getting
some long-deferred sleep!
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sleep" state and a BoopaAlam raga for the early morning state. In a
movie called Sampooran Ramayanam in Tamil the asura king ravana,
enumerates the ragas for different states. Other experts in this
subject can comment on this.
Narsi
Nandu Kulkarni
>I hope this isn't taken to be a facetious question, I've
>wondered about it for some time. Does the time of day
>associated with a particular raga apply to the earth's
>rotation or the body clock of the listener? For example,
>I'm going to sleep "tonight" at about dawn. Is a dawn
>raga considered appropriate for my bedtime listening,
>or a late night raga? Is it my state that should be
>relevant, or the fact that the sun is rising?
>
>
I believe it has more to do with the kind of mood the raga evokes in the
listener. I have heard Pandit Hariprasad Chaurasia play raag Lalit at 2:00 am
(not the conventional time of the day for Lalit) and the incredible effect it
produced (at least in me) was hard to describe. It felt as though the sun was
just about to rise in the east and the sky had turned red.
Regards,
Nandu
deepak raag
> I believe it has more to do with the kind of mood the raga evokes in the
> listener. I have heard Pandit Hariprasad Chaurasia play raag Lalit at 2:00 am
> (not the conventional time of the day for Lalit) and the incredible effect it
> produced (at least in me) was hard to describe. It felt as though the sun was
> just about to rise in the east and the sky had turned red.
>
> Regards,
> Nandu
2 AM is not far off the time Lalit should be played: "in the deep recesses
of dreams" (raina ka sapna), as someone said. What you felt was more of a
Bhairav experience; but why not a predawn feeling after all?
deepak
Tzara Vierck
: > In article <49egsu$b...@cnn.princeton.edu>,
: > Ken Steiglitz <k...@kastle.Princeton.EDU> wrote:
: > >wondered about it for some time. Does the time of day
: > >associated with a particular raga apply to the earth's
: > >rotation or the body clock of the listener? For example,
of course this gives the performer a certain flexability here, halfway around
the world... we can play an evening raga in the morning, because after
all it's nightime in India! a sly justification for the crowd, but in truth
one tries to stick to the acceptable time for the raga (i don't know about
this body clock thing). a morning raga is just that, for the morning
regardless of what time zone you reside.
-- tzara