Is there any web site that has a list of raags and corresponding film
songs?
As a last resort, I'd type the songs here and ask for help.. I hate
typing.
Chachaji
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Before you buy.
Some of us like typing so much and post so many messages, that
they are forced to account for the phenomenon.
- bhatija
I might as well post the songs here anyway. It might increase the
ratio of posts here having something to do with ICM :-)
Ok, here goes:
Golden Collection:Classical Songs from films CD 1:
Sur na saje - Basant Bahar
Aaj gawat man mero joom ke - Baiju Bawara
Jare badara bairi ja - Bahana
Jhanak jhanak payal baje - JJPB - by Ustad Amir Khan
Man mohana bade jhoothe - Seema
Kaun aya mere man ke dware - Dekh Kabira Roya
Chota sa balama - Raagini
Madhuban mein radhika - Kohinoor
Sanware sanware kahe mose karo jora jori - Anuradha
Tu hai mera prem devata - Kalpana
O sajana barkha bahar aai - Parakh
Manmohan man mein ho tumhi - Kaise kahoon
Poocho na kaise maine rain beetai - Meri Surat Teri Ankhen
Jiya le gayo ji mora sanwariya - Anpadh
Ajhun na aaye baalama sawan beeta jaye - Sanjh Aur Savera
Kahe tarsaye jiyara - Chitralekha
Radhike tune bansuri churai - Beti Bete
Geet gaya patthero nein - GGPN - by Kishori Amonkar
Jhanak jhanak tori paje payaliya - Mere Huzoor
Golden Collection:Classical Songs from films CD 2:
Nainon mein badara chaye - Mera Saya
Sawan aaye ya na aaye - Dil Diya Dard Liya
Vikal mora manwa un bin haye - Mamta - a raagmala with multiple raags
Aayo kahan se ghanshyam - Buddha Mil Gaya
Beeti na bitai raina - Parichay
Re man sur mein ga - Lal Patthar
Bol re papihara - Guddi
Tere naina talash karen - Talash
Tu jo mere sur mein - Chitchor
Na jiya lage na tere bina mera kahin jiya lage na - Anand
Meethe bol bole - Kinara
Piya banwari piya banwari - Khoobsurat
Kahan se aaye badra - Chashm-e-baddoor
Jaaon tore charan kamal par waari - Sur Sangam - with Rajan/Sajan Mishra
Jhoothe naina bole sanchi batiyan - Lekin
Classical songs from Films Vol 1 (non overlapping songs from the above
CD's):
Koi matwala aaya mere dware - Love in Tokyo
Main ne rang li aaj chunariya - Dulhan Ek Raat Ki
Mose chal kiye jaaye haire hai hai dekho saiyan beiman - Guide
Baiyan na dharo - Dastak
Nadiya kinare heraye aai kangna - Abhiman
Ja ri pawaniya piya ke des ja - Do Boond Pani
Hamen tum se payaar kitna - Kudrat
Aye ri pawan dhoonde kise tera man - Bemisaal
Classical songs from Films Vol 2 (non overlapping songs from the above
CD's):
Garjat barsat saanwan ayo re - Barsaat Ki Raat
Tum nacho ras barse - Sati Naari
Dekho bijali dole bin badak ki - Phir Wohi Dil Laya Hun
Kaise samjhaun bade nasamajh ho - Suraj
Sooni sooni sans ke sitar par - Lal Patthar
Apne suron mein mere suron ko basa lo - Dil Ki Rahen
Mata saraswati sharada - Alaap
More naina bahayen neer - Bawarchi
Well, any takers?
Chachaji (looking for bhatija's to bless :-)
Let us wait for somebody who knows about many of those songs to post
his list of raagas . If not, you can cut-paste my private mail sent to
you on rmic.
I am afraid all this makes it yet another non-musical post :-)
- nani
Thanks for your responses to this topic im RMIC.
Could you send me the list again? Looks like I had not activated my e-
mail feature on Deja.com (I had not gone to the page and accepted their
terms and conditions until I looked for your e-mail).
Maybe your e-mail got lost because of this.
I do hope someone points us to a web site with such lists. I know
there used to be one..I have lost the bookmark to it.
Chachaji
Eureka!!
http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/1364/songs.html
Alright!!
Based on the above site and significant contribution from Naniwadekar,
I have the following list. It is still not complete, and there are a
few discrepancies.
C'mon guys, do jump in and add the missing info and/or clarify some of
the doubts.
Bonus points for identifying the taals.
Chachaji
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Golden Collection:Classical Songs from films CD 1:
Sur na saje - Basant Bahar - Pilu
Aaj gawat man mero joom ke - Baiju Bawara - Darbari (?)
Jare badara bairi ja - Bahana - Yaman
Jhanak jhanak payal baje - JJPB - by Ustad Amir Khan - Adana
Man mohana bade jhoothe - Seema - Jaijaiwanti
Kaun aya mere man ke dware - Dekh Kabira Roya - Rageshri
Chota sa balama - Raagini - Hameer (?)
Madhuban mein radhika - Kohinoor - Hameer
Sanware sanware kahe mose karo jora jori - Anuradha - Bhairavi
Tu hai mera prem devata - Kalpana - Lalit
O sajana barkha bahar aai - Parakh - Khamaj
Manmohan man mein ho tumhi - Kaise kahoon - Adana
Poocho na kaise maine rain beetai - Meri Surat Teri Ankhen - Ahir
Bhairav
Jiya le gayo ji mora sanwariya - Anpadh - Kalyan or Yaman (?)
Ajhun na aaye baalama sawan beeta jaye - Sanjh Aur Savera - Pilu
Kahe tarsaye jiyara - Chitralekha - Kalavati
Radhike tune bansuri churai - Beti Bete - Adana or Darbari (?)
Geet gaya patthero nein - GGPN - by Kishori Amonkar - Durga
Jhanak jhanak tori baje payaliya - Mere Huzoor - Darbari Kanada or
Darbari (?)
Golden Collection:Classical Songs from films CD 2:
Nainon mein badara chaye - Mera Saya - Bhimpalasi (is that same as
Bhimpalas?)
Sawan aaye ya na aaye - Dil Diya Dard Liya - Sarang
Vikal mora manwa un bin haye - Mamta - Pilu/Bahar
Aayo kahan se ghanshyam - Buddha Mil Gaya - Khamaj or Mishra Khamaj (?)
Beeti na bitai raina - Parichay - Kalyan or Bihaag (?)
Re man sur mein ga - Lal Patthar - Kalyan
Bol re papihara - Guddi - Miyan Ki Malhar
Tere naina talash karen - Talash - Chayanat
Tu jo mere sur mein - Chitchor - Pilu
Na jiya lage na tere bina mera kahin jiya lage na - Anand - Malgunji
Meethe bol bole - Kinara - Bhairavi
Piya banwari piya banwari - Khoobsurat
Kahan se aaye badra - Chashm-e-baddoor - Megh or Megh Malhar (?)
Jaaon tore charan kamal par waari - Sur Sangam - with Rajan/Sajan
Mishra - Bhupali
Jhoothe naina bole sanchi batiyan - Lekin - Miyan Ki Todi
Classical songs from Films Vol 1 (non overlapping songs from the above
CD's):
Koi matwala aaya mere dware - Love in Tokyo - Darbari Kanada
Main ne rang li aaj chunariya - Dulhan Ek Raat Ki - Pilu
Mose chal kiye jaaye haire hai hai dekho saiyan beiman - Guide -
Jhinjhoti
Baiyan na dharo - Dastak - Charukeshi
Nadiya kinare heraye aai kangna - Abhiman - Pilu
Ja ri pawaniya piya ke des ja - Do Boond Pani
Hamen tum se payaar kitna - Kudrat
Aye ri pawan dhoonde kise tera man - Bemisaal
Classical songs from Films Vol 2 (non overlapping songs from the above
CD's):
Garjat barsat saanwan ayo re - Barsaat Ki Raat - Gaud Malhar
Tum nacho ras barse - Sati Naari
Dekho bijali dole bin badal ki - Phir Wohi Dil Laya Hun - Bhairav
Kaise samjhaun bade nasamajh ho - Suraj - Bhairavi
Sooni sooni sans ke sitar par - Lal Patthar - Jaijaiwanti
Apne suron mein mere suron ko basa lo - Dil Ki Rahen
Mata saraswati sharada - Alaap - Bhairavi (?)
More naina bahayen neer - Bawarchi
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> Aaj gawat man mero joom ke - Baiju Bawara - Darbari (?)
Desi.
> Jhanak jhanak tori baje payaliya - Mere Huzoor - Darbari Kanada or
> Darbari (?)
There is no distinction between DarbariK and Darbari, AFAIK.
Yes, the song is in Darbari.
> Nainon mein badara chaye - Mera Saya - Bhimpalasi (is that same as
> Bhimpalas?)
Yes (to your parenthetical q.). However, some might say the song
is in Dhaani (which is close to Bhimpalas. As an aside, it may be
poinless to make the distinction in the context of a film song. The
difference comes out in a classical presentation - Bhimpalas is
sung from the mee.nD/behlaav a.ng, while Dhaani employs
khaDe swar)
> Kahan se aaye badra - Chashm-e-baddoor - Megh or Megh Malhar (?)
Megh is the same as Megh Malhar, I think.
> Jhoothe naina bole sanchi batiyan - Lekin - Miyan Ki Todi
Bilaskhani Todi.
> Mata saraswati sharada - Alaap - Bhairavi (?)
Yes.
C
For the most part, I think they're the same - however, I think Megh
Malhar means you stick in M R P liberally for Malhar-ic content (this
is one thing Pt. Ramashreya Jha mentioned in his spiel on Madhmad vs.
Megh/Megh Malhar). I have also heard people stick in a casual komal Ga
in Megh Malhar from time to time, which I have not heard in anything
labeled Megh. I think Megh is STRICTLY odava-prakaar.
--
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
Is there a simple explanation of "mee.nD/behlaav a.ng"?
Also, what is "khaDe swar"?
-S
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Golden Collection:Classical Songs from films CD 1:
Sur na saje - Basant Bahar - Pilu
Aaj gawat man mero joom ke - Baiju Bawara - Desi
Jare badara bairi ja - Bahana - Yaman
Jhanak jhanak payal baje - JJPB - by Ustad Amir Khan - Adana
Man mohana bade jhoothe - Seema - Jaijaiwanti
Kaun aya mere man ke dware - Dekh Kabira Roya - Rageshri
Chota sa balama - Raagini - Hameer (?)
Madhuban mein radhika - Kohinoor - Hameer
Sanware sanware kahe mose karo jora jori - Anuradha - Bhairavi
Tu hai mera prem devata - Kalpana - Lalit
O sajana barkha bahar aai - Parakh - Khamaj
Manmohan man mein ho tumhi - Kaise kahoon - Adana
Poocho na kaise maine rain beetai - Meri Surat Teri Ankhen - Ahir
Bhairav
Jiya le gayo ji mora sanwariya - Anpadh - Kalyan or Yaman (?)
Ajhun na aaye baalama sawan beeta jaye - Sanjh Aur Savera - Pilu
Kahe tarsaye jiyara - Chitralekha - Kalavati
Radhike tune bansuri churai - Beti Bete - Adana or Darbari (?)
Geet gaya patthero nein - GGPN - by Kishori Amonkar - Durga
Jhanak jhanak tori baje payaliya - Mere Huzoor - Darbari
Golden Collection:Classical Songs from films CD 2:
Nainon mein badara chaye - Mera Saya - Bhimpalasi
Sawan aaye ya na aaye - Dil Diya Dard Liya - Sarang
Vikal mora manwa un bin haye - Mamta - Pilu/Bahar
Aayo kahan se ghanshyam - Buddha Mil Gaya - Khamaj or Mishra Khamaj (?)
Beeti na bitai raina - Parichay - Kalyan or Bihaag (?)
Re man sur mein ga - Lal Patthar - Kalyan
Bol re papihara - Guddi - Miyan Ki Malhar
Tere naina talash karen - Talash - Chayanat
Tu jo mere sur mein - Chitchor - Pilu
Na jiya lage na tere bina mera kahin jiya lage na - Anand - Malgunji
Meethe bol bole - Kinara - Bhairavi
Piya banwari piya banwari - Khoobsurat - Bihag (?)
Kahan se aaye badra - Chashm-e-baddoor - Megh
Jaaon tore charan kamal par waari - Sur Sangam - with Rajan/Sajan
Mishra - Bhupali
Jhoothe naina bole sanchi batiyan - Lekin - Bilaskhani Todi
Classical songs from Films Vol 1 (non overlapping songs from the above
CD's):
Koi matwala aaya mere dware - Love in Tokyo - Darbari Kanada
Main ne rang li aaj chunariya - Dulhan Ek Raat Ki - Pilu
Mose chal kiye jaaye haire hai hai dekho saiyan beiman - Guide -
Jhinjhoti
Baiyan na dharo - Dastak - Charukeshi
Nadiya kinare heraye aai kangna - Abhiman - Pilu
Ja ri pawaniya piya ke des ja - Do Boond Pani - (?)
Hamen tum se payaar kitna - Kudrat
Aye ri pawan dhoonde kise tera man - Bemisaal
Classical songs from Films Vol 2 (non overlapping songs from the above
CD's):
Garjat barsat saanwan ayo re - Barsaat Ki Raat - Gaud Malhar
Tum nacho ras barse - Sati Naari - (?)
Dekho bijali dole bin badal ki - Phir Wohi Dil Laya Hun - Bhairav
Kaise samjhaun bade nasamajh ho - Suraj - Bhairavi
Sooni sooni sans ke sitar par - Lal Patthar - Jaijaiwanti
Apne suron mein mere suron ko basa lo - Dil Ki Rahen - (?)
Mata saraswati sharada - Alaap - Bhairavi
More naina bahayen neer - Bawarchi - Pilu (?)
--
Chachaji
Following info from
http://www.cs.cornell.edu/Info/People/verma/MUSIC/vinayak/lata.htm
Bhairavi
Barsaat me hamse mile tum sajan Barsaat Shankar-Jaikishan
khamosh hai khevanhar mera Amar Naushad
Savre, Savre Anuradha Ravishankar
Suno chchotisi gudiya ki Seema Shankar-Jaikishan
Tumhare sang mai bhi chalungi Soni Mahival Naushad
Kaise aau jamuna ke teer Devta C.Ramchandra
Kabhi to aa Kabhi to aa Patrani Shankar-Jaikishan
Do hansonka Joda Ganga Jamuna Naushad
Jo tum todo piya Zanak Zanak payal baje Vasant Desai
Mai to pyarse tere piya Sathi Naushad
Mori chcham chcham baje payaliya Ghunghat Ravi
Tumhe aur kya dun Aayi milan ki bela Shankar-Jaykishan
Mere paas aao Sangharsh Naushad
Nas nas me agan Jahan pyar mile Shankar-Jaykishan
Pilu
More Saiyanji uterenge par ho Udan Khatola Naushad
Maine rang li aaj chunariya Dulhan ek raat ki Madan Mohan
Na manu na manu na manu re Ganga Jamuna Naushad
Nadiya kinare her aayi kangana Abhimaan S.D.Burman
Bavri re Ek phool char kate Shankar-Jaykishan
Gara (Extension of Pilu
Na, jiya lage na Aanand Salil Choudhari
Mohe panghat pe nandlal Mughal-e-Azam Naushad
Bol mere Nandlala Bahana Madan Mohan
Are tu kaha kho gaya balam matvara Singapur Shankar Jaykishan
Yaman
Ek dil ka lagana baki tha Anokha pyar Anil Vishwas
Sapna ban sajan aaye Shokhiyan Jamal Sen
eri aali piya bin Raagrang Roshan
Janevale se na mulakat ho payi Amar Naushad
Jare badra bairi jare jare Bahana Madan Mohan
Jeevan dor tumhi sang bandhi Sati Savitri Lakshmi Pyare
Bade bhole ho Ardhangini Vasant Desai
Jiya le gayo ji mora saavriya Anpadh Madan Mohan
Khuda nigehban ho tumhara Mughal-e-Azam Naushad
Lau lagati geet gati Bhabhiki chudiyan Sudhir Phadke
Pahadi
Mere aakhonme bas gaya koi Barsaat Shankar-Jaykishan
Marna teri gali me Shabab Naushad
Chanda ki chchav me Parchchaiyan C. Ramchandra
Baharo, mera jeevan bhi savaro Aakhari Rat Khayyam
Yeh dil aur unki nigahonke saye Prem parbat Jaydev
Khamaj
Bada natkhat hai re Amar Prem R.D.Barman
Tu chanda mai chandani Reshma aur Shera Jaydev
Meri aakhonse koi Puja ke phool Madan Mohan
Khanak gayo hay bairi kangana Rishte naate Madan Mohan
Chori Chori chupke chupke Aap ki kasam R.D.Barman
Dheere Dheere machal, e dil-e-bekraar Anupama Hemant Kumar
Jiya na lage mora Budhdha mil gaya R.D.Barman
Manj Khamaj
Kaise din bite Anuradha Ravi Shankar
Sanj savre adhron pe mere Madhavi Lakshmi Pyare
Kanha Kanha aan padi mai tere dvar Shagird Lakshmi Pyare
Miscellaneous
Song Movie Composer Raag
Haye re woh din kyu na aaye Anuradha Ravi Shankar JanSanmohini
Sajan bina neend na aaye Munimji S.D.Barman Kedar
Sajan sang kahe neha lagaye Mai nasheme hun Shankar-Jaykishan
Tilang
Mohabbat ki chchuti kahanipe roye Mughal-e-Azam Naushad Darbari
Zanan zan zanake apni payal Aashik Shankar-Jaykishan Shankara
Chanda re jare jare Ziddi Khemchand Prakash Chchayanat
Rasik Balma Chori Chori Shankar Jaykishan Shudhdha Kalyan
Neel Gagan ki chchav me Amrapali Shankar Jaykishan Bhupali
Koi matvala aaya mere dvare Love in Tokyo Shankar Jaykishan Darbari
Mere naina savan bhado Mehbooba R.D.Barman Shivranjani
Unko yeh shikayat hai Adaalat Madan Mohan Malgunji
Yeh neer kahanse barse hai Prem Parbat Jaydev Tilak Kamod
Saiya jao jao Zanak zanak payal baje Vasant Desai Des
Megha chchaye aadhi rat Sharmili S.D.Barman Patdeep
Hal-e-dil yun unhe sunaya gaya Jahan aara Madan mohan Miya malhar
Dil ki kashti bhavarme aayi hai Palki Naushad Narayani
Khayi hai re hamne kasam Talaash S.D.Barman Barva
Meri beena tum bin roye Dekh kabira roya Madan mohan Ahir Bhairav
Piya the kahan Tofan aur diya Vasant Desai Aasavari
Baandh preeti phul dor Malti Madhav Sudhir Phadke Jayjayvanti
Eri Jane na doongi Chitralekha Roshan Kamod
Hamare dil se na jana Udan khatola Naushad Bihag
O savre aaja pyar liye Private Secretory Dilip Dholkiya Shudhdha
Sarang
Balama anadi man bhaye Bahurani C.Ramchandra Hemant
Khuda-e-bartar teri jameen par Taj mahal Roshan Todi
Jo mai janti bisarat hai saiya Shabab Naushad Mand
Zan zan zan payal baje Buzdil S.D.Barman NatBihag
Sitaronki Mehfil Udan Khatola Naushad Bhairavi
Ab aage teri marzi Devdas S.D.Barman Maru Bihag
Ruth ke tum jo chal diye Jalti Nishani Anil Bishwas Hemant
Dar lage garje badariya Ram Rajya Vasant desai Surdasi Malhar
Ghayal Hirniyan Munimji S.D.Barman Kafi
Lage na mora jiya Ghunghat Ravi Shivranjani
Deevane hum deevane tum Bejubaan Chitragupta Bageshri
Nainonme badra chchaye Mera sayaa Madan Mohan Bhimpalasi
Mere Jeevan sathi Sathi Naushad Tilang
Ab to hai tumse Abhimaan S.D.Barman Mand
Tu jahan jahan chalega Mera sayaa Madan mohan Nand
Meri laadli ri Andaj Naushad Bilawal
Balma mane na bairi chup na rahe Opera house Chitragupta Malkauns
Ghar aa ja ghir aaye Chchote Nabab R.D.Barman Malgunji
Jao Jao nand ke lala Rangoli Shankar Jaykishan Bageshri
Jogan ban jaaungi Shabab Naushad Vrindavani Sarang
Tere pyar me dildar Mere mehboob Naushad Bihag
Manamohana bade zuthe Seema Shankar Jaykishan Jayjayvanti
Do dil tute do dil hare Heer Ranza Madan Mohan Mand
Bairon Neend na aaye Chacha Zindabad Madan Mohan Kafi
Mera dil yeh pukare aaja Nagin Hemant kumar Kirwani
Alla tero naam Hum Dono Jaydev Gaud Sarang
Mose chchal kiye jay Guide S.D.Barman Zinzoti
Mohe bhul gaye savariya Baiju Bavra Naushad Bhairavi
Ruk jao banvasi ram Sampurna Ramayan Vasant Desai Puriya Dhanashri
Ek mithisi chubhan Reshma aur shera Jaydev Mand
Khabar mori na lini Sant Dnyaneshwar Lakshmi Pyare Shivaranjani
Yeh dil ki lagi kum kya hogi Mughal-e-Azam Naushad Jayjayvanti
E dilruba nazre mila Rustom Sohraab Sajjad Kirwani
Tere sur aur mere geet Gunj uthi Shahnai Vasant Desai Bihag
Piya milan ki aas re Piya milan ki aas S.N.Tripathi Shivranjani
Bachpan ki mohabbat ko Baiju Bavra Naushad Mand
Aaj dil pe koi jor chalta nahi Milan Lakshmi Pyare Charukeshi
Na bole na bole Aazad C.Ramchandra Bageshri
Prabhu tero naam Hum dono Jaydev Dhani
Aisi najariya more savariya Chambal ki rani Naushad Gaud Sarang
Muze na bula muze na bula Suvarna Sundari Adi narayan Rao Malkauns
--
Srinivas
I try to introduce carriage returns at appropriate places to
make a post readable. However, some CRs are properly seen after
I post the message. Some get gobbled up. I have not carried my
experiments very carefully. But I have tried some combinations.
I have not been able to figure out which carriage return works and
which doesn't. Anybody?
BTW, chachaji, I don't know exactly what you are aiming at. But
"baiyya.n naa dharo" uses raag charukeshi only in patches, as Vish
Krishnan told me. And you can completely trust his word. As for
Pilu songs, I am beginning to wonder that if a song in a "classical"
collection is attributable to no other raag, Pilu bails it out.
A kshudra raag indeed.
If Pilu doesn't do it, bhairavi does.
"Laila o laila" (Qurbani??) was once included in an article on
bhairavi. This prompted song collector shri Vijay Nafde to ask :
is it bhairavi caught performing taanDav nritya ?
- nani
I am aiming at nothing. Just collecting information and knowledge from
others who know more about ICM.
At this stage, that describes practically everyone reading this
newsgroup :-)
--
Chachaji
....
Very useful site.
Thanks
--
Chachaji
i visited the site and noted the list of the songs under different
ragas, above 125 songs have ben listed.
i wanted to explore more of the site but could not as the page did not
lead to any other page, and going to upper pages in browser gave 403
unauthorised acess error. is there any other pages related to that.
i also wanted to write to the webmaster so i noted the email id
mentioned on the page mailto:vinayak....@continuum.ragroup.co.uk
and sent a mail, but it got bounced saying that address could not be
reached on this server. does anybody know how to get it in touch with
him?
nice page indeed.
regards.
-rawat
Thanks
In article <8tksrr$bsr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Chachaji <chac...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Thanks for an excellent site. Which songs are wrong. Can you elaborate and
suggest the revisions to the site so that they can correct.
thanks,
imppio
<rath...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8u9lbn$uqe$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Have not seen this site mentioned anywhere. A couple of songs are listed
> wrong, but is a good list.
> http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/1364/songs.html
>
> Thanks
>
>
> In article <8tksrr$bsr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Chachaji <chac...@my-deja.com> wrote:
They have a searchable list of songs by ragas, thats and tals.
--
Baja
On Tue, 07 Nov 2000 19:32:06 GMT, rath...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Have not seen this site mentioned anywhere. A couple of songs are listed
> wrong, but is a good list.
> http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/1364/songs.html
>
> Thanks
>
>
> In article <8tksrr$bsr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Chachaji <chac...@my-deja.com> wrote: