Nishad in Madhuvanti

[Surajit A. Bose]

Is there any consensus on the use of komal nishad in Madhuvanti? I know
that grammatically the raag uses shudh nishad, but I have on occasion
heard the use of komal nishad in the following prayog:

Sa' Ni Dha Pa, Ma Pa ni Dha Pa, Ma

(Ma = tiivra madhyam)

Madhuvanti has become quite a common concert piece these days (just heard
it from Uday Bhawalkar last weekend--Madhuvanti in dhrupad style gives one
pause, doesn't it?), but it's been a long time since I've heard this komal
nishad prayog. The singer I vividly remember using komal nishad in this
way is Ashok Ranade, more than ten years ago.

thx
-s

[Rajan P. Parrikar]

In article <sbose-10119...@dialin21.saintmarys.edu>

This vivAdi use of komal nishAd in Madhuvanti is not new but it
is not very common. Limited, appropriate touches of that swara
certainly enhances the development.

In recent times the Carnatic Hemavati, which is more or less
Madhuvanti with only one nishAd (komal), is becoming
popular in the Hindustani paddhati, especially among the
instrumentalists.

Warm regards,

r

[nada...@my-deja.com]

Does making the Ni Komal in Madhuvanti change the raga to Hemavati?

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[Chith Eshwaran]

I have a recording of Madhuvanti on flute by Ronu Majumdar. He has used
komal Ni in the (Ma Pa ni Dha Pa) combination on more than one
occassion. Some of the textbooks I have read also suggest this as a
valid Prayoga in Madhuvanti.

Personally, I don't find it appealing. The change in mood is somewhat
jarring to me.

- Chith Eshwaran

[Rajan P. Parrikar]

Addendum: Madhuvanti is a relatively recent entrant. It was
conceived independently by Vilayat Khan (let us briefly pause and
allow Sajjadmiyan time to recover from his e-gasm) and by Vamanrao
Padhye of Kolhapur (see Subbarao, for instance). The latter called
it Ambika, after the goddess Amba, but the name didn't catch on.
In his "Aprachalit Ragas," J.D. Patki says that Ambika was the
name given by Vilayat Khan after his mother ("janmadAtri"). This
can't be right since Shri Khan's mother was Bashiran Begum.

Amba's name finds extensive application in other spheres as well.
For instance, in my hometown there is the sartorial establishment
Amba Tailors. And how can one forget Hotel Amba, that renowned
specialist in batata-vada?

Warm regards,

r

[sanj...@my-deja.com]

In article <382A10B5...@hp.com>,

I have to agree with you here - I don't like the addition of the komal Nishad.
--
Sanjeev Ramabhadran

[Ashok]

In article <80cqdu$d...@peabody.colorado.edu>, parr...@ferrari.Colorado.EDU says...
>

>In recent times the Carnatic Hemavati, .....

>r

It'd be unfortunate if Dr. Parrikar has made a
conscious decision to go back to the British Raaj
spellings Carnatic, Cawnpore, etc.

Ashok