Who composed Vande Mataram for AIR
naniwadekar
I had posted information about a book on Vande Mataram,
written by Milind Sabnis in Marathi, and translated in
Hindi and English. I had added that he has collected 50+
cassettes containing various renditions of this one song
alone and how he knew everything worth knowing about the
song and yet has been unsuccessful so far in discovering
who had composed the Vande Mataram's tune in Raag Des,
made popular by AIR. We still don't know its composer but
some composers who had emerged as the likely candidates
can now be ruled out. Four names had emerged : Master
Krishnarao, Pannalal Ghosh, Jnan Prakash Ghosh and Ravi
Shankar. Rajan had added that Vijay Raghav Rao might know
something about the matter.
Vijay Raghav Rao - A URL was quoted which said he has
moved to the East Coast in US. I have been unable to find
his contact details.
Master Krishnarao - Sabnis told me he should be ruled out.
His nephew used to work closely with him in the 1940s. He
has handed over photocopies of some documents kept by
Master to Sabnis. The nephew is sure Master didn't compose
the AIR tune. Master had camped in Delhi to try getting
Vande Mataram selected as the National Anthem over
Tagore's 'jan gaN man'. The Nehru machinery resorted to
its usual tricks of raising objections. Vande Mataram was
considered too difficult to be set to a tune which would
be easily accepted by common man. Master presented several
tunes. All of them were rejected. He volunteered to
compose more tunes. But he realised the Delhi powers were
set upon being unsympathetic to his arguments. He returned
to Pune a disappointed man.
Pannalal Ghosh - Sabnis said that in one programme on TV
(probably Sony Nigam's Saregama), Anil Biswas had appeared
(about 1996). Anil-da talked about Pannalal, with whom he
was closely associated. He told that Pannalal had composed
a tune for Vande Mataram. He even sang it. I haven't heard
anything definite from Anilda. But he remembers that PG
composed a tune for Vande Mataram. He even remembers the
tune. But he made no mention of the popular AIR tune being
Pannababu's. The circumstantial evidence all but rules out
Pannababu.
Ravi Shankar - He has himself told Rajan the tune is not his.
Jnan Prakash Ghosh - He is still a candidate. One
gentleman whom Sabnis met at AIR Kolkata told him the
composer could be Jnan Babu. Master composer V Balsara had
some association with Jnanbabu in the 1940s, I think.
Balsara lives in Kolkata. If somebody knows his contact
details, please do let me know. If anybody knows any
associates of Jnanbabu, please help explore whether he
is the composer of AIR's tune of Vande Mataram.
- dn
Rajan P. Parrikar
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>
>the AIR tune. Master had camped in Delhi to try getting
>Vande Mataram selected as the National Anthem over
>Tagore's 'jan gaN man'. The Nehru machinery resorted to
>its usual tricks of raising objections. Vande Mataram was
>considered too difficult to be set to a tune which would
>be easily accepted by common man. Master presented several
On purely musical grounds, the tune of the current
National Anthem - jana gana mana - is a disgrace
for a country possessing the musical heritage we do.
Warm regards,
r
Karthik S
inspired by some western composition...in line with few other inspired
compositions of Tagore...how true is it? And what's the so-called original
called?
--Karthik
Inspired Indian Film Songs - http://www.iespana.es/i2fs/
"Rajan P. Parrikar" <mylas...@yaaahoo.com> wrote in message
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Pradip Shah
Y ? Because it has more usage of the western instruments in the
composition ?? I believe that it is based on some raga and Rajan,
being expert (I know from his numerous postings) in that arena, I
hope, would let us know about it.
Rgds,
Pradip
Surjit Singh
Pradip Shah wrote:
> Rajan P. Parrikar <mylas...@yaaahoo.com> wrote in message news:<at6q6...@drn.newsguy.com>...
>
>>naniwadekar writes:
>>
>>>
>>>the AIR tune. Master had camped in Delhi to try getting
>>>Vande Mataram selected as the National Anthem over
>>>Tagore's 'jan gaN man'. The Nehru machinery resorted to
>>>its usual tricks of raising objections. Vande Mataram was
>>>considered too difficult to be set to a tune which would
>>>be easily accepted by common man. Master presented several
>>>
>>On purely musical grounds, the tune of the current
>>National Anthem - jana gana mana - is a disgrace
>>for a country possessing the musical heritage we do.
>>
>>Warm regards,
>>
>>
>>r
>>
>
> Y ? Because it has more usage of the western instruments in the
It seems like the tune was created to make it easy to march to, somewhat
like some of the pankaj mullick songs (e.g. nain chaahe.n). Every time I
hear it, I cannot stand still.
> composition ?? I believe that it is based on some raga and Rajan,
> being expert (I know from his numerous postings) in that arena, I
> hope, would let us know about it.
>
> Rgds,
> Pradip
>
--
Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
http://hindi-movies-songs.com/index.html
Abhay Jain
"naniwadekar" <nani3...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> the AIR tune. Master had camped in Delhi to try getting
> Vande Mataram selected as the National Anthem over
> Tagore's 'jan gaN man'. The Nehru machinery resorted to
> its usual tricks of raising objections. Vande Mataram was
> considered too difficult to be set to a tune which would
> be easily accepted by common man.
>
> - dn
>
From what I have learned in discussions with people of that era is that
Vande Mataram
was adopted by Hindu Mahasabha. In order not to offend muslims,
Vande Mataram was dropped from consideration.
Abhay Jain
naniwadekar
"Abhay Jain" <abay...@yahoo.com> wrote -
>
> From what I have learned in discussions with people of that era is that
> Vande Mataram
> was adopted by Hindu Mahasabha. In order not to offend muslims,
> Vande Mataram was dropped from consideration.
>
Vande Mataram used to be sung at Congress sessions long
before Hindu Mahasabha was formed. And 'jana gaNa mana'
is an object of reverence for Hindu Mahasabha also.
Vande Mataram does enjoy some sort of official status today.
(As 'National Song' as against 'National Anthem'.)
But only a pared version which retains just the first stanza is
officially accepted. The later verses contain references which
can be interpreted as Moorti-puja which Islam does not
recognise. "Bahubala dhaariniim ..." etc.
Horror, horror, later there is a reference to Hindu Goddess.
"Tvam hi durgaa dashapraharanadhaarinii" . No prizes for
guessing whom the words are likely to have offended
more : Mountbatten or Nehru. The moment objection was
raised by muslims, their wish was granted and the 'offending
stanzas' dropped.
The complete version of Vande Mataram is often sung
at the RSS gatherings and maybe the Mahasabha does
the same.
The complete version can be seen at :
http://www.missouri.edu/~physmc/balsabha/html/songs.html
http://www.missouri.edu/~physmc/balsabha/html/songs.html#Vandeentire
- dn
Ajit
In no way does this song hurt Muslims at all.
at...@are.xxxberkeley.edu
>> Vande Mataram
>> was adopted by Hindu Mahasabha. In order not to offend muslims,
>> Vande Mataram was dropped from consideration.
>> Abhay Jain
> In no way does this song hurt Muslims at all.
And you qualify as the arbiter of Muslim sensibilities because of ...?
Whether the poem was intended to offend Muslims can be conjectured by
people and only the poet can settle the matter definitively. But does
the poem offend Muslims is a matter that only Muslims can decide and
if they decide to take offense, it is their prerogative. What is
offensive is the spineless capitulation of the pseudosecular idiots
(but I repeat myself) whenever the matter of delicate Muslim
sensibilities arise.
So we have the spectacle of the "secular" Government of India banning a
work of fiction, thus proving that they are more "secular" than the
ayatollahs. Which indeed the Government of India indeed is. It was only
after that banning did the ayatollahs called for the author's murder.
Or the shameful overturning of a Supreme Court decision just to appease
the MCPs even though it directly hurt the interests of the female
relatives of the afore-mentioned MCPs. Or the increasing of the haj
subsidy by the "hindu nationalist" government.
Atanu
PS: The Three Fundamental Laws of Secularism:
1. Hindus are never secular.
2. Muslims are always secular.
3. The opinions of pseudo seculars are indistinguishable
from gospel truth.
(Guide to TFLofS: 'secular' is code for 'Islamic'.)
--
http://are.berkeley.edu/~atanu
Ket...@att.net
>In rec.music.indian.classical Ajit <musicad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Vande Mataram
>>> was adopted by Hindu Mahasabha. In order not to offend muslims,
>>> Vande Mataram was dropped from consideration.
>>> Abhay Jain
>
>> In no way does this song hurt Muslims at all.
While I would love to see Ajit continue to make an ass of himself....
> And you qualify as the arbiter of Muslim sensibilities because of ...?
...could we stick to the original question that was/is posed in the title of the
post and not get sidelined by extraneous issues. This is a music newsgroup.
Well, I guess in current times that is not good enough so let me be more
explicit...this is RMIM, not RMIC.
Thank you,
Ketan
Surjit Singh
at...@are.XXXberkeley.edu wrote:
In the words of Reverend Lovejoy from the Simpsons,
[http://www.snpp.com/guides/lovejoy.html]
[Homer says 'God is punishing me'] "No, but he was working in the hearts
of your friends and neighbors when they went to your aid, be they
Christian, Jew, or Miscellaneous." [Apu corrects him] "ah, that's super"
they are both misc anyway! Sorry, couldn't resist.
> 3. The opinions of pseudo seculars are indistinguishable
> from gospel truth.
>
> (Guide to TFLofS: 'secular' is code for 'Islamic'.)
>
--
Ajay Nerurkar
> In the words of Reverend Lovejoy from the Simpsons,
Did the Usenet guidelines you posted say how small the ratio _size of one's
follow-up_ : _size of quoted text from previous articles_ can get before one
becomes deserving of a rap on the knuckles for violating common courtesy?
Ajay
[ajaynerurkar at yahoo dot com]
M. Ranjit Mathews
> So we have the spectacle of the "secular" Government of India banning a
> work of fiction, thus proving that they are more "secular" than the
> ayatollahs. Which indeed the Government of India indeed is. It was only
> after that banning did the ayatollahs called for the author's murder.
What would the government of India, or a province thereof, do if a
S'ankaracharya called for someone's murder?
Ajit
> In article <at9aiu$cgl$1...@agate.berkeley.edu>, at...@are.XXXberkeley.edu says...
>
> >In rec.music.indian.classical Ajit <musicad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> Vande Mataram
> >>> was adopted by Hindu Mahasabha. In order not to offend muslims,
> >>> Vande Mataram was dropped from consideration.
> >>> Abhay Jain
>
> >> In no way does this song hurt Muslims at all.
>
> While I would love to see Ajit continue to make an ass of himself....
No, I have no intention to imitate you.