Hindustani Vocal Classes in Pune....
kohamm
I would like to learn Hindustani vocals in Pune. If anyone knows of a good music
teacher/classes near around Aundh area in Pune, I shall be very grateful.
Thanks in advance,
Satish/
sa_pa_sa
for private instrumental/vocal lessons.
I know that it is mainly dictated by how reputed the musician is, but
can someone at least provide a ballpark figure (or a tution range) for
private hourly music lessons. Is there a significant variance between
studying from less reputed disciples and 1st/2nd tier disciples of
masters. Will appreciate inputs from folks who have recently
studied/are pursuing music in India.
Also how does it compare with learning in the US (substantially
cheaper, or at par?). Can people share their thoughts/personal
experiences on this subject...?
asa...@gmail.com (kohamm) wrote in message news:<be0f6d2c.04110...@posting.google.com>...
Adwait Joshi
when I was learning music in India from a pretty ordinary teacher but
he was good, he charged Rs. 100 per hour. Then I moved on to little
advanced classes to pay 500 per month. Then I came to US and here in
US I was paying $12.50 per hour for a absolutely ordinary musician.
Pandit Jasraj shcool of music charges $25 per hour for group lessons
and $40 per hour for private individual lessons. Hope this helps.
Adwait
Town Crier
> I had a question about the tution/fees that musicians charge in India
> for private instrumental/vocal lessons.
The issue is not India vs US, the issue is whether you know the
difference between "good/great musician" and "good/great teacher".
Ever heard of people like Gangadharbua Pimpalkhare, Vasantrao
Kulkarni, S C R Bhatt, ...?
DG
sa_pa_sa
Thanks for the response. However, can you pls clarify if you mean Rs
500 for an hour or for a month? Since you paid Rs.100/hr initially, I
am assuming for advanced class you paid Rs.500 for an hr ($10-$12/hr).
Is that right?
adwai...@yahoo.com (Adwait Joshi) wrote in message news:<e16faa0a.04112...@posting.google.com>...
sa_pa_sa
but as an outsider how can one know or get in touch with some of the
best teachers from India? It's easier to get in touch with musicians
than with teachers (who are not travelling, performing).
Also is there a typical good/great teacher profile? Are there any
qualities that a student should look for in a teacher, or any red
flags that one should be aware of when one goes about deciding who to
learn with? I am sure a student's learning experience is richer when
the teacher is really passionate about teaching, and is not teaching
becoz- 1) His performing career did not take off 2) He needs money to
pay his bills.
Can you please tell us more about teachers like Gangadharbua
Pimpalkhare, Vasantrao Kulkarni, S C R Bhatt. Were they very
discerning in terms of who they selected as students or were they
accessible to beginners as well?
I will really appreciate some serious feedback/guidance on this
subject.
Thanks
deadly...@hotmail.com (Town Crier) wrote in message news:<1c811f7f.04112...@posting.google.com>...
Town Crier
to this message, lets take it offline.
shadaj...@yahoo.com (sa_pa_sa) wrote in message news:<3e77ad40.04112...@posting.google.com>...
> I would anyday prefer a good/great teacher to a good/great musician,
> but as an outsider how can one know or get in touch with some of the
> best teachers from India? It's easier to get in touch with musicians
> than with teachers (who are not travelling, performing).
Good question. I'll answer it after I deal with your next para...
> Also is there a typical good/great teacher profile?
No, they come in all shapes and sizes, just as good Math,
English etc. teachers
> Are there any qualities that a student should look for in a teacher,
There is scope for a whole book or two here...
> or any red flags that one should be aware of ...
If they invoke mysticism or God in answer to your sincere, concrete
question, run as fast as you can.
> I am sure a student's learning experience is richer when
> the teacher is really passionate about teaching, ...
Certainly. I am sure you can sense good/bad chemistry between them
and you.
> not teaching becoz- 1) His performing career did not take off
> 2) He needs money to pay his bills.
You'll eliminate many good teachers if you apply those strictly.
We all need to survive, and few would reject a life of glamour.
> Can you please tell us more about teachers like Gangadharbua
> Pimpalkhare, Vasantrao Kulkarni, S C R Bhatt. Were they very
> discerning in terms of who they selected as students or were they
> accessible to beginners as well?
I mentioned those names in consideration of this list's respect
for old age (or rather, disrespect for a lack thereof). There
is a good chance dozens who learned from each read this list
and can vouch for their dedication to teaching. They are all
dead afak.
How to find a good teacher? Here is a heuristic: Find a young
musician you like and ask them who was their FIRST guru, the one
who taught them ABC of music.
> I will really appreciate some serious feedback/guidance on this
> subject.
Like I said, if it is just the two of us exchanging mails, send
me a direct mail but if others join in, by all means let us talk
here till someone separates rec.music.indian.classical.education
and rec.music.indian.classical.performance
DG
bdixit
established music school, such as any branch of Gandharva Mahavidyalaya
in any large city in Maharashtra, Delhi and at other places. Similar
music schools are there in every major city in India where Hindustani
music is in vogue. Similar schools of Karnatic music are also there, all
over India. After learning the basics of the "music", which will take
you at least three to four years, you can decide to sign up with a
teacher who will teach you on a "one-to-one" basis. There are many such
teachers in Pune, Mumbai and other cities in Maharashtra and places like
Delhi, Jaipur, Kolkata etc. Such teachers are costly but you will get
personal attention. This phase should take five to seven years. After
that you might want to contact one of the professional musicians who
teaches only occasionally, time permitting. Learning Indian classical
music takes this type of circuitous route, and very few reach the third
stage I mentioned ....Balwant Dixit
MAUSAM
example, there are lots of music schools imparting education in groups.
And I think the amount of learning vs. time spent ratio is really small.
Secondly, right from the beginning a student needs special attention since
different students lack in different things. Some may lack the taal, other
may have problems in getting specific notes right etc. As one's own voice
drowns in a group singing it is difficult to rectify those.
I must mention that, of the lot, Gandharva Sangeet Mahavidyalaya (in
Delhi) is significantly better than many others in the quality of teachers
and thus education.
All in all, if you can find a slightly lesser teacher willing to teach you
one on one right from the beginning, that is preferable IMHO.
Mausam
bdixit
(Hindustani) classical music, other than one who wants to learn
percussion (tabla), getting a good idea about the vocal aspects of the
classical music is very important. And group lessons (4 to 5 students)
is a good way to start. Depending how one progresses he/she will be
advised by the teacher to start taking individual lessons. General
aspects of laya and tala can be introduced at this stage. For Karnatic
music group lessens work very well because the system of teaching is
standardized to a great extent than the one followed for Hundustani
classical music........BND
sa_pa_sa
of the learning curve as you've described, how 'costly' is this
one-on-one based teaching esp in musically competitive cities like
mumbai, pune, calcutta? I am looking for ballpark figures including
the 'maximum' one should be prepared to shell out for personalized
attention from a good teacher. Is there a standard range of fees for
these pvt lesons?
Thanks
bdixit <bdi...@pitt.edu> wrote in message news:<41A230DB...@pitt.edu>...
bdixit
Pune, Mumbai, Kolkata, Jaipur etc.) and what style of vocal music you
prefer to learn I may be able to provide you with more specific
information.....BND
Drompraka
Music Schools?>>>>>>>>OPS
Balwant Dixit
in USA/Canada. I have been told that there are five or six such
schools. But it will be an error to compare these schools with
established music schools in many cities in India. I know well, Mr.
Shantilal Shah, who used to teach tabla in the school in Tampa (FL). He
is really an outstanding tabla teacher, but I have been told that he is
no longer in Tampa. He has moved to Houston (TX) and teaches tabla
there. ......BND
Town Crier
> I'd like to know Dr.Dixit's opinion of the quality of music teachers in Jasraj
> Music Schools?>>>>>>>>OPS
OK, so the rest of us will keep quiet ;-)
DG
sa_pa_sa
Thanks,
bdixit <bdi...@pitt.edu> wrote in message news:<41A3983D...@pitt.edu>...
bdixit
music in Mumbai. It would be better if I give you that information
directly rather than posting it on the NG. So if you are interested
please contact me directly at <bdi...@pitt.edu> with your full name and
telephone number, and your address in USA or in Mumbai. Please also
mention your preference as far as gharana is concerned........Prof.
Balwant Dixit, Director, Center for the Performing Arts of India,
University of Pittsburgh (<http://www.univ-relations.pitt.edu/india3>)