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Raag Saraswati

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Achyut Joshi

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Jul 26, 2001, 2:03:31 PM7/26/01
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Can someone please provide me with aaroh/avaroh, chalan, gaayan samay,
and vadi/samvadi for this raag?

Achyut

Sanjeev Ramabhadran

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Jul 26, 2001, 5:26:20 PM7/26/01
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Achyut Joshi <as...@duke.edu> wrote in message news:<Pine.SOL.3.91.101072...@godzilla2.acpub.duke.edu>...

> Can someone please provide me with aaroh/avaroh, chalan, gaayan samay,
> and vadi/samvadi for this raag?
>

AFAIK, it's another import from the South. Think it's classified as an
evening raga up North. Not sure about vadi-samvadi, but if I had to
take a guess, I'd say P-R/P-S or reverse. Aaroh-Avaroh is something
like:

S R m P D n D S":: S" n D P m R n' S (Teevra Ma, Komal Ni, no Ga).

I liked Ustad Ghulam Mustafa Khan's recording of this except for some
unnecessary seizure-like ati-taar saptak stuff at the end.

Sanjeev Ramabhadran

Balu Nadig

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Jul 27, 2001, 9:16:27 AM7/27/01
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In article <5ed58637.0107...@posting.google.com>, Sanjeev Ramabhadran
says...

Being particularly fond of this Raga, I have managed to find:

Hindustani: Pt. Ram Narain on the Sarangi
Pt. Manilal Nag on the Sitar
Malini Rajurkar
Ustad Rashid Khan

Carnatic: L. Subramaniam (Saraswatipriya?)
Dr. M. Bala Murali Krishna
Mali on the flute

Any others?

Regards

Balu Nadig


Kalpit Pandya

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Jul 27, 2001, 7:22:50 PM7/27/01
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The late Ustad salamat ali khan has sung this rag very well in the lok
virsa video with his son and ustad shaukat hussein on tabla. He also has a
cd out which includes rag todi, saraswati as far as I know, haven't heard it
in a while.

Regards,
kalpit pandya


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vimal aga

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Jul 27, 2001, 10:51:11 PM7/27/01
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Achyut Joshi wrote in message ...

>Can someone please provide me with aaroh/avaroh, chalan, gaayan samay,
>and vadi/samvadi for this raag?


saraswati (or saraswati kalyaan) is a carnatic import, and the original
carnatic raag arises from the vachaspati mela. the a/a swarup is variously
stated as (Caps shuddha, m teevra):
S R m P D P S': S' n D P m P (m)R S; or
S R m P n D S': S' n D P m R S.

in hindustani terms, it is a mixture of kalyaan in the poorvanga (albeit
without the G), and jhinjhoti in the uttaranga. as is evident from the a/a
swarup, the n is vakra in the chalan, and the grace note of m in the descent
from P to R sounds beautiful and is a vital part of the raag structure. it
is however, a different P-R swoop from what one sees in yaman and shuddha
kalyan, or in chhayanat; IMO, one must hear these swoops to appreciate the
difference. it is a raag of the night (raat ka doosra prahar), and P is the
vaadi while R is samvaadi. the R-m gap is a wide one to bridge, making the
singing challenging (reminiscent of the R-m gap in shyaam kalyaan, where the
rest of the structure is entirely different and the descent is thru the
phrase G M R, or the kamod-ic G M P, G M R; the G is to be avoided
completely in saraswati).

apart from the already mentioned recordings, pandit firoze dastur has a
wonderful recording of saraswati on the rhythm house classic label. i was
also pleasantly surprised to hear the dagar dude uday bhawalkar perform
saraswati as the opening item at a concert in madison two years ago. does
anyone know if it is a part of the traditional dagar repertoire?

warm regards,
vimal.


Lakshman Ragde

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Aug 16, 2001, 7:10:55 PM8/16/01
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Sarasvati is a Karnatak raga which belongs to 64th mela Vachaspati.
This
raga was first introduced in the north by Baburao Umdekar of Gwalior. It
uses Purvanga of Kalyan and uttaranga of Khammaj. The scale is:
SRM*PDS--SNDPM*RS. But in practice, in aroha, ni is used in vakra
sanchara. Aroha and avaroha of Sarasvati are:
S-RM*P-NDP-NDS*-S*R*N*-DPM*-(M*)RM*P-(M*)R....S
Pakad or dignostic svara groups are: (M*) RM*P-(S*)NDP-(M*)P-R....S
svaras used are tivra ri, prati ma, tivra dh and komal ni. Vadi is Pa
and
samvadi is Ri. This raga is sung at night till midnight. Svara groups
R*N DP and P M* R...S are frequently used. Ri is elongated in avaroha
and
it sounds nice. Ni is used in vakra sanchara only in aroha.
Compositions
in this raga are: Piya tore lagi tirachi-trital(madhya)-J.D.Patki and
hasa hasata aye shyama-trital(madhya)-J.D.Patki. Hindustani raga Shyam
Kalyan has some resemblance to Sarasvati. Shyam Kalyan uses only tivra
ni. Ga is used in avaroha.
note: Asterisk indicates tara sthayi notes. Bracketed notes are grace
notes.

Bansijeff

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Aug 24, 2001, 12:38:03 AM8/24/01
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There is also a Hindhustani rag Saraswati in Kafi thaat without Pa, with the
tamboura tuned to Ma. It is a little similar to Bageshri without Pa but uses Re
in ascent. Ali Akbar Khan sometimes teaches traditional bandishes in this
version.

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Vilambit Khayal & drut + Tarana by Ustad Salamat Ali Khan & Sharafat Ali Khan

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