pUrna shadjaM

[M. Saranathan]

Could anyone enlighten me on the krthi gaNanAyakam by dIkshitar? I have
two recordings (u srinivas and ravikiran) listing them as rudrapriya
and pUrna shadjam/pUrna shajja (sic). Are they the same rAgA?

Thanks
manoj

[rrka...@hotmail.com]

I believe this is in keeping with the Dikshitar raga-naming convention
that is different from the Tyagaraja naming (and others). A kriti of
Tyagaraja in this raga is "Lavanya Rama" ...

Hope that helps..

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I think Tyagaraja has composed in both Rudrapriya and
Poornashadja. The difference between the two AFAIK is

Rudrapriya - S R G M P N S - S N P M G R S - Janya of 22
Poornashadja - S R G M NN S - S N P M G R S - Janya of 22

The characteristic of Poornashaja is the freqent use of
MNN sanchara. Tyagaraja's Lavanya Rama is a kriti in
PoornaShadja.

I'm not sure what whether MD calls this as RP or PS ; But
have heard being played with and without the characteristic
mNN phrase of Poornashadja.

Ramaprasad K V

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[Ramakrishnan G]

According to the Dikshitar school, the kriti Gananaayakam is in the raagam
Rudrapriya.
This is different from the the raagam Purnashadjam as defined by the
Diskshitar school.

purnashadjam is defined as:
sa ri2 ga2 ma1 ni2 ni2 sa
sa ni2 pa ma1 ga2 ri2 sa

while Rudrapriya goes like:
sa ri2 ga2 ma1 pa ds2 ni2 sa
sa ni2 pa ma1 ga2 ri2 sa

Note that these are both derived from the 22nd Melakarta Karaharapriya.

The kriti Amba Paradevate by Krishnaswamy Ayya was composed in Rudrapriya..
There is an excellent copy available by the Alathur brothers. Dikshitar's
kriti Thyagesham Bhajare also comes to the mind.

Thyagaraja's Laavanya Rama was in the raagam Purnashadjam.

However, non-Dikshitar schools tend to interchange the two names. It would
be interesting to know why/how that came about.
Rather the same as how Suddhadhanyasi & Udayaravichanrika get interchanged.

As an aside, could the Rev. Parrikar provide some information on
corresponding raags for Rudrapriya and Purnashadjam?
Also do different gharanaas tend to label different names to the same raag??

Thanks
Ramakrishnan

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thanks all for the education..

Looks like
Dikshitar's Rudrapriya (Gananayakam) = Tyagaraja's Purna Shadjam
(Lavanya Rama) ??

I was unaware that Amba Paradevate was designated as Rudrapriya..
(appreciate the info) Incidentally in addition to Alathur bros,
T.Viswanathan sang a memorable version of Amba Paradevate that I recall
vividly..

Also I have heard the Gananayakam/Lavanya Rama ragam (Ty Purna Shadjam
= D Rudrapriya) being sung with
S N P M R G G R S as the descent.. (explicitly avoiding the P M G R S
phrase). Any thoughts on this?

Ram Kaushik

[Ramakrishnan G]

> Looks like
> Dikshitar's Rudrapriya (Gananayakam) = Tyagaraja's Purna Shadjam
> (Lavanya Rama) ??

Well, not exactly. They are two *different* raagams as far as the Dikshitar
school is concerned. I am fairly confident that Dikshitar has composed in
Purnashadjam as well. I'll dig around & see if I can come up with some
information.
But as I see it, the Thyagaraja school labels Rudrapriya as Purnashadjam -
at least for this kriti. It would be interesting to check if Thyagaraja has
composed in Rudrapriya. If he has, then the 'confusion' must be specific to
the kriti Gananaayakam.

> Also I have heard the Gananayakam/Lavanya Rama ragam (Ty Purna Shadjam
> = D Rudrapriya) being sung with
> S N P M R G G R S as the descent.. (explicitly avoiding the P M G R S
> phrase). Any thoughts on this?
>

It is not incorrect to sing Rudrapriya with the phrase p m g r s, IMO. The
Avarohanam part of Rudrapriya is ' S N P M G R S' & that particular prayoga
does come into play a lot. Also I havent heard the R G G R S phrase being
employed specifically.

Moreover, I have heard MSG play AmbaParadevate & the Kalpanaswarams are
peppered with the phrase ' P M G R S' which clinches things.<g>

Ramakrishnan

[angarai]

To the best of my knowledge gaNanAyakam is Rudrapriya & not Purnashadjam.

 

Purnashadjam :-   Avo -> srgmnns'   Ava -> snpmGrs  :  An audava shadava janya raga derived from the 20th mela Natabhairavi . The notes taken by the raga are Chatusruti Ri, Sadharana Ga, Sudha Ma, Pa & Kaishiki Ni. It can be considered as the janya of 22nd mela Kharaharapriya also. A sarvakalika raga that came to prominence through the compositions of Thyagaraja.

 

Kriti => Srirama nive / Mysore Sadasiva Rao : Lavanya rama / Thyagaraja : Srimanini Manohara / Thyagaraja

 

 

Rudrapriya :-  Avo -> srgmpdns' Ava -> s'npmgrs : A sampoorna shadava janya raga derived from the 22nd mela Kharaharapriya. The notes taken by the raga are Shadja, Chatusruti Ri, Sadharana Ga, Sudha Ma, Pa, Chatusruti Dha and Kaishiki Ni. A sarvalika tristhayi raga. The ragas Pushpalathika, Manirangu, Purnashadjam, and Brindavanasaranga are closely allied ragas.

 

Kriti => Rudrakopa/Muthuswamy Dhikshitar : Valli devasenapati/Baluswamy Dhikshitar : Gananayakom/Muthuswamy Dhikshitar : Ambaparadevate/Krishnaswami Iyer : Shri Thyaarajasya/Muthuswamy Dhikshitar

[ravi...@erols.com]

Hi all,

First of all, there is NO doubt that Rudrapriya and Purna shadjam are 2
different ragas. They only came closer because of the controversial
Gananayakam!

Gananayakam, has 2 versions. The Sangita Sampradaya Pradarshini
indicates it to be a composition in Rudrapriya (SRGMPDNS SNPMGRS),
janyam of Kharaharapriya. I know this version too but rarely play it.
I play the other version - popularised by the late Sri D. K. Jayaraman -
in Purnashadjam (SRGMNNS SNPMGRS), janyam of
Natabhairavi/Kharaharapriya.

The funny thing is that Gananayakam, played in Rudrapriya is EXACTLY THE
SAME TUNE as the Pallavi and Anupallavi of Thyagaraja's Srimanini.

This and many other factors like certain words used in this song and
lack of Madhyamakalas and the take off point - eduppu - (after one and
half beats) have made me wonder if it is indeed an authentic kriti of
Dikshitar.

I recently spoke to D. K. Pattammal and she agreed with me that this
was one of the dubious songs which have crept in the Dikshitar list
recently. By the way, she also specifically told me that
Akhilandeshwari, the popular song in Dwijavanti was NOT Dikshitar's work
at all, according to her guru, T. L. Venkatrama Iyer, the great
Dikshitar scholar. (See my recent interview of DKP for Frontline around
July-August 1999.)

Ambaparadevate, Rudrakopa and Thyagaraja etc are all songs in Rudrapriya
while Lavanya Rama and Srimanini are all songs in Purna shadjam.

To the best of my knowledge, Thyagaraja composed nothing in Rudrapriya
and Dikshitar nothing in Purnashadjam and Shyama Shastri nothing in
either. Some artistes of the previous generation (I don't know why) used
Thyagarajs's Purnashadjam for Dikshitar's(?) Gananayakam!
Some of today's artistes continue to render it that way because the tune
is pleasant for the first half of the concert and the lyrics are on
Ganesha.

So, we can't compare their versions of the Raga at all in this case.

Chitravina N. Ravikiran

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