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adonis

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Aug 16, 2005, 9:56:56 AM8/16/05
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Hi everybody :)
I am searching for songs in Raaga Shuddh Kalyan - but after searching
the internet for a week - have been able to find only 6 songs... I need
more... desperately... could anybody be please kind enough to help
me...
thank you
Adonis

kantid...@aol.com

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Aug 16, 2005, 11:43:31 AM8/16/05
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Hi Adonis,

Ye Sham Ki Tanahaiyan, Kalyan Shuddha
Mere Humsafar Mere Humsafar, Refugee, Kalyan Shuddha
Chand Phir Nikala, Paying Guest, Kalyan Shuddha
Meri Mohabbat Jawan Rahegi, Jaanwar, Kalyan Shuddha
Jahan Daal Daal Par Sone Ki Chidiyan Sikandar-E-Azam Kalyan Shuddha
Rasik Balma, Chori Chori, Kalyan Shuddha


These songs (and many more), based on classical ragas, are listed on

http://www.adwaitjoshi.com/icm/hindisongs.php

Perhaps these are the six songs you have already found on the internet!

Regards,

Kanti Dattani

Sanjeev Ramabhadran

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Aug 16, 2005, 11:57:10 AM8/16/05
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Some others roughly based in Shuddh Kalyan not on the site:

Mujhe Tumse Mohabbat Hai (Rafi for Sardar Malik in Bachpan)
Ye Vaadiyaan Ye Fizaaen (Rafi for Ravi in Aaj Aur Kal)

As with so many of these raag-based songs, you may see other colors,
not necessarily those of Shuddh Kalyan (e.g. Pahaadi).

Sanjeev

manoha...@gmail.com

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Aug 16, 2005, 10:53:33 PM8/16/05
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Chand Phir Nikala Paying Guest Kalyan, Shuddha
Jahan Daal Daal Par Sone Ki Chidiyan Sikandar-E-Azam Kalyan, Shuddha
Mere Humsafar Mere Humsafar Refugee Kalyan, Shuddha
Meri Mohabbat Jawan Rahegi Jaanwar Kalyan, Shuddha
Rasik Balma Chori Chori Kalyan, Shuddha
Ye Sham Ki Tanahaiyan Kalyan, Shuddha

http://www.adwaitjoshi.com/icm/raaga_details.php?raagid=93

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adonis

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Aug 17, 2005, 5:38:35 AM8/17/05
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hey Kanti
thank you ever so much - that was very sweet of you... however - u'r
right.. these are the very six songs I found... anyhow - the search is
on....
thanks again.
Adonis

adonis

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Aug 17, 2005, 5:42:41 AM8/17/05
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hey Sanjeev

thats great... thats 2 more to my list... can't tell you how grateful I
am.....
thanks again
Adonis

adonis

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Aug 17, 2005, 5:45:13 AM8/17/05
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MB
thanks a million - however - I have these on my list... and from the
same site too... however - thanks again for helping....
adonis

Shree

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Aug 17, 2005, 5:59:12 AM8/17/05
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If you can include non-hindi songs in your list, there's a good one in
Kannada :

olave jeevana saakshaatkaara (P.Susheela and P.B.Srinivas for M.Ranga
Rao, in saakshaatkaara; lyrics by Kanagal Prabhakara Shastri)

There are two versions of this song - a P.Susheela cheerful solo, and a
duet by a happy PS and sad PBS. The song starts in shuddha kalyan, but
wanders off later; good one by Ranga Rao. You can listen to them at
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/18/s/movie_name.2897/music_director.741/

--Shree

kantid...@aol.com

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Aug 17, 2005, 6:56:56 AM8/17/05
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As requested I list below Shuddha Kalyan classical CDs that I have.
Not all these CDs are recommended. Please email me for further
information.

Ajoy Chakrabarty 34 minutes SWM018
Bismillah Khan 37 NRCD080
Bhimsen Joshi 19 PSLP5465 - 30 Music Today A91004 - 37 MRCD1002 - 48
NRCD087
Budhaditya Mukherjee 74 SNCD70297
Gangubai Hangal 37 SM1501
Jasraj PSLP5769
Kalyan Mukherjee 63 IAM1062
Kaushiki Chakraborty 35 A03131
Kishori Amonkar 63 NRCD111
Munawar Ali Khan 30 EMI864280
Nivruttibua Sarnaik 26 CMC182506
Padma Talwalkar 29 A92082
Raghunath Seth 23 BMG40096 - 6 PMCI8001
Rajan and Sajan Mishra 30 MCD191 - 40 VEDA CD VOL 7
Rashid Khan 51 IP6046
Ravi Shankar 22 PSLP5199 - 23 PSLP5369
Sanchita Ghosal 6 CDNF301
Sanjeev Abhyankar 29 CDNF150164
Shujaat Khan 64 IAM1064
Sultan Khan 37 NRCD113
Vyas C R 55 NRCD165

Best wishes,

Kanti Dattani
Leicester
UK

Bibhas

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Aug 17, 2005, 12:39:34 PM8/17/05
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Kanti,
Which ones would you recommend of these ? Are the recitals by
Budhaditya Mukherjee 74 SNCD70297, Rashid Khan 51 IP6046, Sultan Khan
37 NRCD113 worthy ?
Bibhas

kantid...@aol.com

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Aug 17, 2005, 2:30:30 PM8/17/05
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Hi Bibhas,

Budhaditya Mukherjee SNCD70297 Anindo on Tabla. Studio recording in
Germany. My friends and I think highly of this CD; particularly the
alap is out of this world. However we have not rated the recording very
high; if 5 is the best we have given only 3! Tabla boom and loud
chikari are some of the problems. I understand that recording engineers
find it difficult to record sitar.

Rashid Khan IP6046, live Kolkata 1997, Tribute to Living Legend Bhimsen
Joshi, sarangi Murad Ali and Tabla Yogesh Samsi. We have given 4 out of
5 for both the singing and the recording. No hesitation in recommending
this CD. It is surprising that not all CDs by this great artiste could
be recommended. I have 28 and feel Rashidji would like to withdraw some
of these, if possible!

Sultan Khan. We have not recommended this CD to anybody. Sorry Sultanji
and Navras. Perhaps musicians would think otherwise.

Hope this information from enthusiasts (not musicians) would be
helpful.

Best wishes,

Kanti Dattani

Archisman

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Aug 19, 2005, 8:32:37 AM8/19/05
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Dear Mr. Dattani,

Is Nivruttibuwa's recording the AIR release of HMV of 1977? (It had
Ramdasi Malhar on the flip side) It's awesome. Ravi Shankar's piece
(only alaap, with Samant Sarang on the flip side of the cassette).

Some more which come to my mind:

* Ashwini Bhide (Music Today - Young Masters)
* Bhimsen Joshi (HMV release of the 60's) 'tum bin kaun' & 'batiyan
ghuraa' (hope the wordings are correct). This is far better than his
latter day Music Today release.
* Bhimsen again in an 78 rpm release ('batiyan ghuraa')
* Roshan-ara Begum - (one side of a HMV 4 cassette release) - 'mondar
baaje'.
* Abdul Karim Khan - 78 rpm 'mondar baaje' (No adjectives necessary. I
always felt that had Abdul Karim Khan's lowered his pitch by a scale or
two, his records would have sounded twice as beautiful. Shuddh Kalyan,
being a 'mandra-saptak' type of a raag, this effect was more or less
felt. Just breath-taking.
* Haribhau Ghangrekar - 78 rpm. Vazebuwa's taan patterns have been
skillfully replicated.
* Amir Khan - One & 1/2 sides of a 4 cassette pack of live recordings.
'karam karo' in vilambit & a drut tarana. Awesome.


Would like to round off with perhaps my most memorable listening
experience, ever. Sometime in 1996 (or 1997), NCPA in Bombay had
organized a listening session of Kesarbai Kerkar in the lat week of
Jan. These were the rare recordings of her of Babubhai Raja. The
session started at 18.30 hrs with a 45 minute Shuddh Kalyan. That
heavenly timbre, that awesome 'aa-kar', that unbelievable 'throw' of
the voice, just transported the audience to a different world. To top
all this was her legendary breath control, wonderfully imaginative
phrases (effortlessly beautiful sa-dha & pa-ga 'meends')& mind-boggling
'taan'-patterns. In a vilambit teentaal with a gap of approx. 3 seconds
between two successive 'theka'-s (which makes it approx. a 45 sec
'aavartan'), she was rendering fast, complex but crystal clear 'taan's
which spiralled upwards like fireworks only to dovetail magnificently
into the mukhda 'eri maayi piya' : IN A SINGLE BREATH! I have not heard
anything like this before or since. (Moghubai's last 'taan' in her
Naiki Kanhra 'mero piya rasiya' where she renders a dazzling taan for
two 'avartans' of a 'roopak' beat comes close).

I fervently hope that THIS recording becomes commercially available
some day.

(For academic interest, the listening session went on with a gandhari,
khat & bhairavi thumri - 'baabul mora')

Regards-Archisman.

Archisman

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Aug 19, 2005, 8:34:19 AM8/19/05
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Dear Sanjeev,

Will Lata-bai's 'saanware rang raachi', the opening song of the album
'Chala Wahi Des' qualify?

Regards-Archisman.

kantid...@aol.com

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Aug 19, 2005, 10:01:43 AM8/19/05
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Hi Archisman,

You wrote:-


"Is Nivruttibuwa's recording the AIR release of HMV of 1977? (It had
Ramdasi Malhar on the flip side) It's awesome"

The notes in the CD (CMC 1 82506) state it is a 1993 AIR recording. Eri
Meri Piya, vilambit in teen taal, Suresh Talwalkar on Tabla, Abdul
Latif Khan on sarangi and Ramdas Mungre on harmonium. It is, however, a
brilliant recording. Unfortunately it ends abruptly, highly
unsatisfactory indeed. There is enough room in the CD to include the
whole raga. EMI, please note!

The other raga on this CD is Bihagda 24 minutes, 1985 recording by
Mallikarjun Mansur.

CMC 1 82506 and CMC 1 82505 are a double CD set (Chairman's choice,
Atrauli-Jaipur, Great Gharanas) 82505 has 14 tracks by the great
Kesarbai Kerkar.

You also wrote:-


"Ravi Shankar's piece (only alaap, with Samant Sarang on the flip side
of the cassette)"

PSLP5199 includes Shuddha Kalyan 22 minutes - Samant Sarang 15 m. -
Bihag 22 m. and Devgiri Bilawal 8 m.

I read the rest of your posting with great interest and am impressed by
your knowledge and understanding of HCM.

Finally you wrote:-


"I fervently hope that THIS recording becomes commercially available
some day"

So do I. Please let me know if they do. Thanks.

Best wishes,

Kanti Dattani

Archisman

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Aug 19, 2005, 11:15:38 AM8/19/05
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Dear Mr. Dattani,

kantid...@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Archisman,
>
> You wrote:-
> "Is Nivruttibuwa's recording the AIR release of HMV of 1977? (It had
> Ramdasi Malhar on the flip side) It's awesome"
>
> The notes in the CD (CMC 1 82506) state it is a 1993 AIR recording. Eri
> Meri Piya, vilambit in teen taal, Suresh Talwalkar on Tabla, Abdul
> Latif Khan on sarangi and Ramdas Mungre on harmonium. It is, however, a
> brilliant recording. Unfortunately it ends abruptly, highly
> unsatisfactory indeed. There is enough room in the CD to include the
> whole raga. EMI, please note!

Seems to be same one. I have a cassette which has this Shuddh Kalyan &
a Ramdasi Malhar (kitak aayi re badarwa) on the flip side & the sleeve
notes mention that it is an AIR recording of 1977. The cassette,
however, was released post 1993. Maybe the SK is of 1993 & the RM is of
1977. And yes, the SK cuts off abruptly while Buwa is unleashing one of
this many complex 'taans'. HMV, in it's 'monopolistic' days always felt
that offering a 30 min recording on one side of a cassette was
sacrilege to the 'philistine' listeners when they can rake in equal
moolah by offering them a 19-20 min re-recording of an LP. Well the
outlook has surely changed since then but the quality of artists also
have come down (in my opinion).


>
> The other raga on this CD is Bihagda 24 minutes, 1985 recording by
> Mallikarjun Mansur.
>
> CMC 1 82506 and CMC 1 82505 are a double CD set (Chairman's choice,
> Atrauli-Jaipur, Great Gharanas) 82505 has 14 tracks by the great
> Kesarbai Kerkar.
>
> You also wrote:-
> "Ravi Shankar's piece (only alaap, with Samant Sarang on the flip side
> of the cassette)"
>
> PSLP5199 includes Shuddha Kalyan 22 minutes - Samant Sarang 15 m. -
> Bihag 22 m. and Devgiri Bilawal 8 m.

Yes, the cassette contained Shuddh Kalyan on side A & Samant Sarang &
Devgiri Bilawal on the other side. As for the Bihag, as far as I
remember, it was a part of a cassette/LP where there was a tabla solo
by Ahmedjaan Thirakwa followed by this raag where the great tabalia
provided accompaniment. Am I correct?

Thanks for your response & your kind words.

>
> Best wishes,
>
> Kanti Dattani

Regards-Archisman.

Sanjeev Ramabhadran

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Aug 19, 2005, 11:19:01 AM8/19/05
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Archisman wrote:

>
> Some more which come to my mind:
>
> * Ashwini Bhide (Music Today - Young Masters)
> * Bhimsen Joshi (HMV release of the 60's) 'tum bin kaun' & 'batiyan
> ghuraa' (hope the wordings are correct). This is far better than his
> latter day Music Today release.

I think the drut you're thinking of is "Batiyaan Dohraave" - yes, he
has recorded this as a 78-single, but if we're thinking of the same
recording, the drut attached to "Tum Bin Kaun" is definitely "Rasa
Bheeni Bheeni". I think this was released with Lalit ("Rain Ka Sapna"
and "Bhayee Bhor").

Sanjeev

Archisman

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Aug 19, 2005, 1:55:55 PM8/19/05
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Dear Sanjeev,

You're bang on. Thanks for the correction. I guess I got confused with
a live recording release of his in the 90's by Hindustan Records of
Calcutta. It was a live programme at a place called Sunny Towers.

Regards-Archisman.

kantid...@aol.com

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Aug 20, 2005, 7:40:44 AM8/20/05
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Hi Archisman,

You wrote:-


> PSLP5199 includes Shuddha Kalyan 22 minutes - Samant Sarang 15 m. -
> Bihag 22 m. and Devgiri Bilawal 8 m.


>Yes, the cassette contained Shuddh Kalyan on side A & Samant Sarang &
Devgiri Bilawal on the other side. As for the Bihag, as far as I
remember, it was a part of a cassette/LP where there was a tabla solo
by Ahmedjaan Thirakwa followed by this raag where the great tabalia
provided accompaniment. Am I correct?<

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Yes as for the Bihag Ahmedjaan plays tabla for Ravi Shankar in
PSLP5199. I only have this CD, not the cassette or LP, so don't know
about the tabla solo by Ahmedjaan. It is possible this CD includes
music from more than one cassette/LP.

Best wishes,

Kanti Dattani

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