Raga Bairagi
Ajay P Nerurkar
Raga Bairagi is a relatively new raga. What is its origin and
who could be said to be its discoverer ? Could anybody on the net shed
some light on this matter ?
Vevek Ram
>From: a...@cs.buffalo.edu (Ajay P Nerurkar)
>Subject: Raga Bairagi
>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 16:07:58 GMT
> Raga Bairagi is a relatively new raga. What is its origin and
>who could be said to be its discoverer ? Could anybody on the net shed
>some light on this matter ?
I believe that it is the creation of Pt Ravi Shankar.
Cheers
Vevek
Corvin Russell
This is the subject of some controversy. Ravi Shankar and/or his
followers (it's unclear exactly who) have claimed that he
composed this rag. When some of my friends asked Ali Akbar Khan
about the age of Bairagi, he said Bairagi was definitely an old
raga. The fact that it is sung in the dhrupad tradition (a
friend of mine has the Dagars performing it) suggests that it is
not likely a new raga. I think most people will in fact say that
this is an old raga. Ali Akbar Khansahib based his statement on
his father's teaching, so this would seem to be rather
authoritative.
Corvin
KEDAR S NAPHADE
rites:
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> Raga Bairagi is a relatively new raga. What is its origin and
>who could be said to be its discoverer ? Could anybody on the net shed
>some light on this matter ?
>
Raga Bairagi has notes which are identical to the carnatic raga revathi.
perhaps like hansdhwani which has its' origin in the carnatic hansdhwani ,
bairagi also has its origin in the carnatic revathi. Revathi, I think is a
traditional carnatic raga.
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Corvin Russell
|> In article <CDpot...@acsu.buffalo.edu>, a...@cs.bufRfalo.edu (Ajay P Nerurkar) w
|> rites:
|> >
|> > Raga Bairagi is a relatively new raga. What is its origin and
|> >who could be said to be its discoverer ? Could anybody on the net shed
|> >some light on this matter ?
|> >
|>
|> Raga Bairagi has notes which are identical to the carnatic raga revathi.
|> perhaps like hansdhwani which has its' origin in the carnatic hansdhwani ,
|> bairagi also has its origin in the carnatic revathi. Revathi, I think is a
|> traditional carnatic raga.
|> --
Somehow I don't think this is the case, because it's never been
mentioned as such as far as I know. As has been said on the net many
times before, mere sharing of scalar material is not that significant.
Corvin
|>
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Shantha Benegal
raga. > > >
While Kedar Naphade adds > Raga Bairagi has notes which are identical to the
carnatic raga revathi.
This discussion gives credence to an opinion ZM Dagar used to express that
there are no new ragas. All the ragas are already there in the shastras.
However, musicians discover these treasures again and give them currency.
Their discoveries are none the less significant.
Shantha
D Jayasimha
>bairagi also has its origin in the carnatic revathi. Revathi, I think is a
>traditional carnatic raga.
I very much doubt if Revathi is a traditional Carnatic raga. As far as
I know, there are no compositions by the Trinity. Of late,
some thillanas have been composed (by Kunnakudi Vaidyanathan, Lalgudi
Jayaraman, and Balamurali(?)) and, of course, there is the soul stirring
"Naanate Baduku" of Annamacharya sung by MS.
I have not heard any elaborate rendition of Revathi in any Carnatic music
concert. On the other hand, there is a fairly detailed Bairaagi on one of
Ali Akbar Khan Saheb's LPs.
jayasimha
Corvin Russell
Yes, it's the EMI album that features Medhavi and Bairagi with tabla by
Shankar Ghosh. The Bairagi is set to shashank tal, a 6 1/2 beat cycle
as I recall. There is also a drut, no? Amir Khan has also sung Bairagi
in the 4-cassette release of live concerts from EMI.
Corvin
Seshadri Kumar
>In article <1993Sep22.1...@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, ks...@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (KEDAR S NAPHADE) writes:
>|> In article <CDpot...@acsu.buffalo.edu>, a...@cs.bufRfalo.edu (Ajay P Nerurkar) w
>|> rites:
>|> >
>|> > Raga Bairagi is a relatively new raga. What is its origin and
>|> >who could be said to be its discoverer ? Could anybody on the net shed
>|> >some light on this matter ?
>|> >
>|>
>|> Raga Bairagi has notes which are identical to the carnatic raga revathi.
>|> perhaps like hansdhwani which has its' origin in the carnatic hansdhwani ,
>|> bairagi also has its origin in the carnatic revathi. Revathi, I think is a
>|> traditional carnatic raga.
>|> --
>
>
>Somehow I don't think this is the case, because it's never been
>mentioned as such as far as I know. As has been said on the net many
Well, actually, it *has* been mentioned in print. Check out the Music Today
"Maestro' Choice" recording of Pandit Jasraj in which he sings Bairagi Bhairav
and Darbari Kanhra. (I assume Bairagi is the same as BB ... correct me if I
am wrong.) In this Panditji himself mentions that Bairagi originally comes
from the Carnatic Revathi and that Allaudin Khansahib was the first to use
it in Hindustani music. (or something to that effect ... I'm quoting from memory.)
>times before, mere sharing of scalar material is not that significant.
>
>
>Corvin
Kumar
Corvin Russell
|> In article <1993Sep22....@leland.Stanford.EDU> bud...@leland.Stanford.EDU (Corvin Russell) writes:
|> >Somehow I don't think this is the case, because it's never been
|> >mentioned as such as far as I know. As has been said on the net many
|>
|> Well, actually, it *has* been mentioned in print. Check out the Music Today
|> "Maestro' Choice" recording of Pandit Jasraj in which he sings Bairagi Bhairav
|> and Darbari Kanhra. (I assume Bairagi is the same as BB ... correct me if I
|> am wrong.) In this Panditji himself mentions that Bairagi originally comes
|> from the Carnatic Revathi and that Allaudin Khansahib was the first to use
|> it in Hindustani music. (or something to that effect ... I'm quoting from memory.)
|>
|> >times before, mere sharing of scalar material is not that significant.
I'm still skeptical. I'm going to ask Khansahib himself next week what
the scoop is on this whole thing and hopefully get it settled once and
for all, in my mind, at least. Anyway, one thing most of us agree on
is that it was not composed by Ravi Shankar.
Corvin
|> >
|> >
|> >Corvin
|>
|> Kumar
|>
Arthur Levine
>Yes, it's the EMI album that features Medhavi and Bairagi with tabla by
>Shankar Ghosh. The Bairagi is set to shashank tal, a 6 1/2 beat cycle
>as I recall. There is also a drut, no? Amir Khan has also sung Bairagi
>in the 4-cassette release of live concerts from EMI.
>
This LP dates from 1967. Kinnear also lists a recording by Ravi
Shankar from that same year. Going by Kinnear's discography, these tow
seem to by the earliest recordings of this rag. So, in respect of
recorded documentation at least, there seems little to support the
view the RS was the inventor/adapter/importer etc.
Madhukauns, on the other hand ...
Makarand A. Kulkarni
In article <27q200...@platypus.cis.ohio-state.edu> jay...@cis.ohio-state.edu (D Jayasimha) writes:
>I have not heard any elaborate rendition of Revathi in any Carnatic music
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>concert. On the other hand, there is a fairly detailed Bairaagi on one of
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Lalgudi performed a thillana in Revathi at the Philadelphia concert. When
he announced it there was a gasp from many people in the audience, and the
monstrous-kanjivaram-clad-thigh-slapper next to me
said "awriiight" (seriously).
Evidently a poupular composition.
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>jayasimha
>
Regards
Makarand
maka...@puma.larc.nasa.gov