Light ragas (??)
Abhinav Jawadekar
I have found the following ragas only in light music. I don't know their
names. But due to some basic understanding of music I feel that they are
proper `ragas'.
1.
Aroha: S, R, G, P, d (komal), S'
Awaroha: S', d (komal), P, G, R, (G), S
(Note: Except d all other swaras are shuddha)
The famous gazal `ab ke hum bichhude hue' by Mehadi Hassan or the Marathi
song `maalawoon taak deep' by Lata Mangeshkar belongs to this raga.
I think the kawwali `chalta suraj dhire dhire' also belongs to the same
raga. (BTW: what is the name of the singer of this song?)
This is very similar to Bibhas except for the rishabh.
2.
Aroha: S, G, m (teevra), P, N, S'
Awaroha: S', N, D, P, m (teevra), G, g (komal), S
(Note: Except the m, which is teevra, and the occurance of komal g in
awaroha all other notes are shuddha)
I don't have too famous/general examples in this raga.
There is a very old song `jiyenge magar muskura na sakenge' by Mukesh in
this raga. Also the Marathi song `ghananeela ladiwaala' belongs to this.
This is very similar to Maru Bihag. Only the rishabh in awaroha is
replaced by the komal gandhar.
I feel that both these ragas definitely have a personality of their own.
Also these examples are not the typical instances where light music
people take a little liberty and divert from the raga.
Does somebody know the names of these ragas? Has somebody heard proper
classical rendering of these ragas?
I am sure that there are quite a few such ragas. How about a discussion on
such ragas?
Abhinav Jawadekar
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Abhinav Jawadekar
Rajan P. Parrikar
>Hello Netters,
>I have found the following ragas only in light music. I don't know their
>names. But due to some basic understanding of music I feel that they are
>proper `ragas'.
>1.
>Aroha: S, R, G, P, d (komal), S'
>Awaroha: S', d (komal), P, G, R, (G), S
>(Note: Except d all other swaras are shuddha)
This was discussed a few years ago here when I had raised the
issue then. Two names were suggested - Raga Bhupeshwari and Raga
Pratiksha. If I recall correctly, Pandit Maniram has a recording
in Raga Bhupeshwari.
>The famous gazal `ab ke hum bichhude hue' by Mehadi Hassan or the Marathi
>song `maalawoon taak deep' by Lata Mangeshkar belongs to this raga.
>I think the kawwali `chalta suraj dhire dhire' also belongs to the same
>raga. (BTW: what is the name of the singer of this song?)
>This is very similar to Bibhas except for the rishabh.
>2.
>Aroha: S, G, m (teevra), P, N, S'
>Awaroha: S', N, D, P, m (teevra), G, g (komal), S
>(Note: Except the m, which is teevra, and the occurance of komal g in
>awaroha all other notes are shuddha)
Can you elaborate? I mean, give a sample chalan? Remember: Mere scales
do not a Raga make. How are the two gandhars treated above? It ain't
obvious (unless they are exactly as written - i.e. from G directly to g).
As an aside, one can generate a staggering number of (hitherto unnamed)
scalic possibilities by tweaking arohas/avarohas of existing Ragas. For
instance, most of the pentatonic modal possibilities are not yet full-blown
Ragas. Unless you show that musically they merit attention (say, by composing
a gat, bandish and developing the flow) it remains just an exercise in
permuting and combining swaras in different ways.
Regards,
Rajan Parrikar
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Sanjeev Ramabhadran
"Jiyenge magar muskura na sakenge" and "Ghananeela ladiwaala" are based
on, is very, very close to the Carnatic (and now somewhat in vogue in
Hindustani) raga RASIKAPRIYA. In fact, if you replace the Shuddh dhaivat
with a komal nishad (hence employing teevra madhyam, bothe gandhars and
bothj nishads), I think you have an exact match. While, as Rajan,
pointed out, an ascent and descent do not a raga make, I think the
chalan of RASIKAPRIYA is pretty starightforward, without too much
VAKRAfication...Vadi/Samvadi? Well, for identification I think it's
immaterial, just cause there aren't many ragas with this sort of scale
(well I don't know of ANY others)
Sanjeev Ramabhadran