Nazakat and Salamat Ali questions
sandip
I recently acquired the two cassette (and also on CD) set released by
HMV to honor the memory of Ustad Salamat Ali and Ustad Nazakat Ali. It
contains a thumri in Raga Pahadi I listened to a lot as a teen when I
first started listening to classical music entitled "Saiyan Bina Ghar
Suna".
I cannot make out the full words for the thumri...Would anyone happen
to know the lyrics for the thumri at all ?
When I listen to these two, the asymmtetrical nature of the singing
reminds of how Rajan Misra all but shuts out his younger brother,
Sajan, when they perform. In the case of Nazakat and Salamat, I
assume it was Nazakat who was always taking the lead ? And...what led
to their breakup ?
Thanks in advance...
Sandip.
Town Crier
> And...what led to their breakup ?
http://www.musicalnirvana.com/hindustani/salamat_ali_khan.html:
"In 1974 Nazakat Ali Khan, the elder brother separated because of a
family feud and Salamat had to adopt to solo singing. Nazakat nearly
quit singing."
DG
Bosma
stronger over the years. The old LP's (I listened to raag Gawoti
yesterday, superb rendering)were much more balanced than the late
recordings. The last time I saw them together, I think that was around
1975, Nazakat Ali Khan just played the tampura and hardly even sang
the bandish.
This postings made me realise something: in the three singing brothers
that I have seen: Ali Bros, Niaz and Faiyaz Ahmed Khan and Rajan and
Sajan Misra it is always the surmandala player who takes the lead over
his tampura playing comrade. Are there any examples of duos where this
is the opposite?
Hans Bosma
debjoy
i think salamat ali was the person who always took the lead &
nazakat ali used to create the environment (can't say that exactly as
a supporting role)
-debjoy
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Town Crier
> This postings made me realise something: in the three singing brothers
> that I have seen: Ali Bros, Niaz and Faiyaz Ahmed Khan and Rajan and
> Sajan Misra it is always the surmandala player who takes the lead over
> his tampura playing comrade. Are there any examples of duos where this
> is the opposite?
>
> Hans Bosma
Does one of the Gundechas play surmandala as well? ;-)
DG
Warren Senders
In my experience, neither of the singing brothers in any of these
or other similar jugalbandis plays tanpura. This is usually done
by somebody local who's been pressed into service, if not by
a disciple, wife or child. In the case of the Misra brothers, I have
been the "somebody local," and I can state unequivocally that
while Rajan played surmandala, Sajan did nothing with his
hands beyond a bit of surreptitious thumb-twiddling.
WS
Bosma
> or other similar jugalbandis plays tanpura.
Very surprised. I think I have never seen Nazakat Ali Khan singing
without playing the tampura. I even looked in the old photo albums. I
see a tampura on all photos. I'm much less sure however about Niaz and
Faiyaz Ahmed Khan. If I remember correctly tampura was indeed played
by a passer by.
Hans Bosma
Warren Senders
A lot of the time the musicians were posed with tanpuras
for album covers & promo shots...otherwise how would you
know they were musicians? BGAK was posed with
swarmandal on some lps. But if you look at concert photos
it is extremely rare for a male singer to be playing tanpura
while singing; ladies generally played unless they were
extremely high status and had some disciples to do the
task. I can't think of a male singer who regularly plays
his own tanpura in concert or on recordings.
WS
sandip
was Sajan's guru and hence why Sajan has reconciled himself with the
fact that he will never move beyond where he is right now: always
secondary to his brother and unable to develop musically on his own.
Thank you as well for all the responses about the Ali Brothers. Has
anyone be able to figure out the lyrics for the thumri in question,
Saiyan Bina Ghar Suna ? I have listened to this so many times and
still the lyrics aren't very clear to me.
Thanks...
Sandip.
war...@aol.com (Warren Senders) wrote in message
Ashok
>A lot of the time the musicians were posed with tanpuras
>for album covers & promo shots...otherwise how would you
>know they were musicians? BGAK was posed with
>swarmandal on some lps.
>WS
"were posed"?!
Interesting usage that.
Ashok
Warren Senders
> >for album covers & promo shots...otherwise how would you
> >know they were musicians? BGAK was posed with
> >swarmandal on some lps.
>
> >WS
>
> "were posed"?!
>
> Interesting usage that.
>
> Ashok
In general, the photographer is the one who rules a
photo shoot. If the camerawalla posed you with a
tanpura, then you were posed with a tanpura;
if he posed you with a pile of lps (see the cover of
Khan Bandhu's first lp for a splendid example), you
were posed with a pile of lps. Thus the passive voice
is entirely appropriate.
WS
Ashok
Sure, sure. It's the passive-voice constuction with an
intransitive verb that made it interesting, oops, I
should say, that interested it.
Ashok