Damn Censors...Eminem
PHYZIKAL
Krazy" post even though there was no racism or offensive shit in it. Anyway,
after further review of Em's joint. I'm willing to upgrade it from a 3.75 to a
4.5 on a scale of 5. And the other point about why Chino XL never got the
same love still stands. But I still say Em ain't sayin nothing dealin with
y'allz ANGST that Nirvana, Pearl Jam, KORN, Metallica, or even Bob Dylan didn't
say. Brothers been singing and rhyming about the hard times and other assorted
bullshit in this country since the slave days. From Muddy Waters to Billie
Holiday to James Brown to Marvin Gaye to Grandmaster Flash &The Furious
Five(The Message) to RUN-DMC (Hard Times/It's Like That) to NWA to Pac, Biggie,
PE, OUTKAST(was not "Get Up, Get Out" off the heezay? "I don't recall, ever
graduating at all...you gots ta get up, get out, cut that bullshit out"...[just
some ill socially conscious shit]), NAS (Illmatic only) and incredible is
rarely used to describe their shit by the overground. But let Elvis, The
Rolling Stones, New Kids On The Block, etc. sing our shit and all of a sudden
the former majority is acting like they discovered something. WAKE UP. What
y'all gonna say about his next one? It's Double Great? Anyway, this is long
enough. I got love for the brother, but y'all need to raise up and let the
brother breathe. And another thing. Only for those that this applies
to...please stop running up to us black folk telling us how much y'all loved
Biggie and PAC. They were both nice. PAC might of been the greatest Rapper,
Biggie was the best Lyrical Rapper, but please understand that the question
will never be open for debate, EVER. RAKIM is, was, and probably will always
be the Greatest EmCee as far as writtens go in our lifetimes, PERIOD. ONE
heartfelt L to all those that feel me out there.
Black Panther
be the Greatest EmCee as far as writtens go in our lifetimes, PERIOD.]
Its true, its true.
some guy
few things. First of all, I'm a huge Eminem fan, yes I'm white, and I think
his new album is dope as fuck. First of all, you claim Em only says stuff
that Metallica, Nirvana, etc have already said. You are obviously making
some ignorant generalization about the groups you mentioned. Personally, I
have listened to every Metallica, Nirvana, Korn, and Eminem song ever
released, and they don't have a goddamn thing to do with each other, not
even remotely. You might draw some comparisons between Korn and Eminem, but
its a stretch. Thats like saying Tupac only said shit that James Brown and
Michael Jackson have been saying for years. Moving on, you talk about how
white people steal music from black people and capitalize on it. Its no
secret that white musicians have been covering black songs and style for
years, with great success. Buts its not stealing. Nobody owns an idea, or
a style. And the fact is, if you have a white aritst and a black person
sing the same song, or style, white people relate better to the white
artist, and black people to the black artist. Its just a natural thing.
And since white people are the overwhelming majority in this country, of
course the white music is going to sell more, and make more money and all
that shit. As a counterpoint, black people have absolutely nothing to do
with the history and evolution of classical music, but I see black people at
every symphony concert I go to(watching and performing), and I don't have a
fucking complex about it. I don't even think twice about it. And I play
jazz with black people all the time, and they've got no problem with it.
Getting back to rap. I can't really speak on Chino XL, I've only heard one
song of his, but I wasn't very impressed. I have, however, listened to a
lot of Rakim's stuff, and he's undeniably awesome, but I would still listen
to Slim over Rakim any day. I think Eminem is the greatest fucking rapper
I've ever heard. That doesn't mean that I'm ignorant to black culture and
the history of rap, it just means that I think Eminem is the greatest
fucking rapper I've ever heard. And I can't deny that him being white has
at least something to do with it. Frankly, the way the word 'nigga'
permeates rap, well it doesn't offend me, but I think its degrading to the
rappers themselves, and certainly I can't relate to a bunch of 'niggas'
nearly as well as I can relate to Em. If you insist on comparing him to
black rappers past, you are obviously missing the point of Em's music.
Finally, Eminem is as original as any musician I've ever heard, and he
doesn't have to suck the dick of every rapper before him to get credibility.
And we all know Eminem himself "doesn't give a fuck what you think." Peace.
PHYZIKAL <phyz...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000525063731...@ng-cf1.aol.com...
> will never be open for debate, EVER. RAKIM is, was, and probably will
always
> be the Greatest EmCee as far as writtens go in our lifetimes, PERIOD.
Big Blue
>be the Greatest EmCee as far as writtens go in our lifetimes, PERIOD.]
>
Your buggin'
Rakim is mad boring.
"The more weight I gain, the more b*tches I get"
Sauce Money
nmg
white people!!Em is cool but not the greatest of all time.
And Phyzikal what up bro? So me being white and thinking Pac is the greatest
of all time goes hand to hand.FUCK THAT!!!
Man I have been listening to rap or hip hop what ever you want to call it
since the late 70's.When my mom bought me rappers delight 45.So I have been
around this music for along ass time and I with all my heart love fucking
Pac.His music is the most incredible and heart felt shit ever to me.I hear
what you are saying in a way cuz many people I know slept on Pac forever and
I was like Damn just peep his shit.But Hell NO they wouldnt and then he
dies(R.I.P Pac) and eveyone is on his dick.
Sick shit but to come off like you did is bullshit.Some of us white boys
know about the music and the culture.And some of us realize the many aspects
of it.From Rap to Hip Hop to Djing to Breaking to Graffiti.
SO CHECK YOUR SHIT,ALL RIGHT?
Big Blue wrote in message <20000525172924...@ng-bj1.aol.com>...
ShellaLuv
have to read carefully b/c I did put a disclaimer in there to the effect "to
those who this applies to." I didn't mean every white kid runs up on brotherz
screaming how much they love PAC and Biggie. I was talking to the ones that do
that shit and now are sweating EM. I LOVE EM ok, but I don't live and die with
him. BTW half my homies is white, half my girlz done been white, and half my
music is so-called white cause I got a rock band as well as a hip-hop crew. I
like all music. I do club tracks, hip-hop, and rock. Some blues, country, and
even classical. Anyway, if I offended anyone, I apologize but I had to speak
up on the fact that once again a white guy does the same shit someoneelse's
been doing and all of a sudden white kids lose their minds. Remember when Paul
Simon did "Graceland." American media critics acted like he developed those
African chants and cadences and gave no props to Lady Smith Black Mamboza (or
whatever they were called). Plus Paul never properly hit them off when the
album sold a billion records. Thatz why I love Clapton cause that cat is
always giving props to the ones who inspired him. We should all do that. I'm
always big uppin Phil Collins and the cat from the Jimmy Hendrix Experience for
making me wanna play the drums like them. anyway, fuck it. I'm sorry, peace,
OneL
Atkins32
datin strictly black men ....just a question ...
Kuahmel Allah
datin strictly black men....just a question...<<<
Who the hell have you seen doing that lately?
--Kuahmel Allah, Los Angeles
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"Look...I'm Beck!!"--Conan O'Brien
"Drink ya school, stay in drugs, and don't do milk!"--Mr. T
"Why not sprinkle some of MY vibrant conversation flakes into the mix?"--Joel
nomadik
>
because it's tha thing now...don't you know???
being sarcastic of course.......
peace~~nomadik
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Aseop Da Visual Zodiac
out and respond too. I hate to say it, but the only reason you would say
that Em is the greatest rapper you've ever heard is simply because your
rather close-minded to the thousands, and I'll say it again, thousands
ov white emcees that are as nice and or better than Em. And,
paraphrasing what you said, you also added that bein white also adds to
your opinion ov him bein the best rapper you've ever heard? Well, can I
ask you if you've ever heard ov these few emcees? El-P, Madchild,
Prevail, Hush, Matrix, Abutta, Esoteric, Freestyle, D-Stroy, Mr. Eon,
Ryu, Andy Cat, Dizzy Dustin, LMNO, Evidence, L-Fudge, R.A. The Rugged
Man and Square One -- and I'll let you guess the race ov these cats. I
don't want to be a hipocrite and say somethin dumb, so I'm goin to
carefully set up this next statement. Those emcees I just named off are,
infact, white. Now the point ov that was to open your eyes to the few ov
thousands ov white rappers doin their thing with/without record deals,
and are half as nice and or nicer than Em. So before you label him the
best white rapper you've ever heard (which is what I know you want to
say and not just the best rapper you've ever heard period), take heed ov
how many cats you've rarely, if ever, heard material from.
I want to touch on somethin else you stated in your post. You
said, and I quote:
"Its no secret that white musicians have been covering black
songs and style for years, with great success. Buts its not stealing."
Okay, this statement seems kind ov contraditive. First, you say
that its no secret that white musicians consistently covering aka biting
black artists for years, and then its not stealing? Your sayin two
diffrent things kid. A'ight, lets take Elvis and Little Richard for
example. Now we all know that Little Richard grew up in the era where
white southerners we're at the prime ov discrimination, didn't want the
black man to prosper and shit like that, and this kid Little Richard was
makin music before Elvis even began to process the thought ov being a
musician. Now, and I'm paraphrasing the words that Little Richard said
in a interview he had with a local cable channel some time back, that
Elvis stole the song "Blue Suede Shoes" from a demo he had been shipping
around to record labels, even in the mist ov all this racism goin on in
this extremely oppresive era, he still thought he had a chance. But in
the process, Elvis clips his song, which Little Richard wrote and
composed himself, made his "big break", and sold over millions ov
records. Little Richard went on by saying that Elvis even took his
signature "shuffle" that any Little Richard observer would know about.
He went on even more by sayin that Elvis even had his charizma on stage.
That his stage presence was some what ov his own. I think your statement
and placement ov words are a little too intertwined with each other some
guy. I mean, to even come up with the notion ov sayin that whites have
been convering, in other words, biting off ov black artists "with great
success", you say, which to me seems like a low-key racial stab at black
artists and musicians like Little Richard, Stevie Wonder, Otis Redding,
etc., seems to me that your sayin takin parcial credit ov something that
a black artist, designer, Dj, emcee, writer, etc., flip it, and then do
it again is okay because its been successful for white people Very
hipocritical statement some guy. It makes me wonder just how white you
are, na'mean?
Now you go on to push this racial vibe I'm gettin from you by
saying, and I quote:
"And since white people are the overwhelming majority in this
country, of course the white music is going to sell more, and make more
money and all that shit. As a counterpoint, black people have absolutely
nothing to do with the history and evolution of classical music..."
Now this statement alone allows me to call you an idiot, strait
up. Before there was classical music, blue grass, soul, R&B, jazz and
all that shit, rhythm started in central Africa within tribes. Drums
were played during special occasions and celebrations. So the overall
evolvment ov music started in these drums and progressed in the States
during the slave era's where hymns we're sung to keep they're minds off
all the fucked up situation. This continued to progress during the 1930s
where music was supposed to be some phenomenon to the ear (when all
along we we're singin from the get go). And of course this branched off
with blues, soul, and jazz, where some ov the first artists we're
discovered. So before you go and make a statement like "black people had
nothing to do with the history and evolution of classical music", which
I doubt is a true statement, take heed that classical branched off from
jazz and blues, because the three have something in common: all three
are handled with instruments only. Just thought I'd enlighten you to a
few facts that your history teacher wouldn't dare tell you. And to touch
on the "white music is going to sell more" idea, you've got it
backwards. Your are, unfortunately, right about whites outweighin us as
far as pop. goes in the US, but more whites buy hip-hop albums than
blacks do, believe it or not. Just thought I'd clear that up.
Now, after all ov these backward ideas and statements, I'd at
least think that you'd come to a little realization after all the
ridiculous statements you've made throughout this post. But the last few
sentences topped this off as the most idiotic post I've ever read. And
you say, and I quote:
"Frankly, the way the word 'nigga' permeates rap, well it doesn't
offend me, but I think its degrading to the rappers themselves..."
Yo, it seems to me that your labelin a certain people ov rappers.
I'll let you be the judge. You go on to say:
"...and certainly I can't relate to a bunch of 'niggas' nearly as
well as I can relate to Em. If you insist on comparing him to black
rappers past, you are obviously missing the point of Em's music."
Okay wait, notice you said black rappers "past". A'ight, let's
back up here one more time. May I remind you that hip-hop music started
in the Bronx ov New York and was discovered by a man named Afrika
Bambaatta and the first emcee Love Bug Starsky, back when block parties
we're safe -- both we're black. Without those two, who the hell would
know about hip-hop? Can we safely say that hip-hop would be discovered
anyway? Yo, I'm definately goin to compare Em to an artist who's been
talkin about the same shit Eminem is on now back in '93-'94, Redman.
Let's contrast here. Eminem=drugs, killin folks: he sells three million
records ov his first Lp. He's white. Redman=drugs, killin folks: he
sells close to 250,000 his first time out, and he's been doin this shit
since back in '89. He's black. Do you notice somethin here? I'll let you
be the judge. And then you say "...certainly I can't realate to a bunch
of 'niggas' nearly as well as I can relate to Em." You know what? Fuck
you. You made it loud and clear that your a fan ov Eminem's simply
because he's white, and your white. And from this half-assed comments
and assumptions you have on music and Em, its clear that the only
relations that you and Eminem share is y'all skin color. I can safely
say that if Eminem was black, that you wouldn't be half the fan you say
you are, and that goes for the rest ov you drug-totin, backpackin,
half-ass listeners ov hip-hop. And to touch on that "...and certainly I
can't relate to a bunch of 'niggas' nearly as well as I can relate to
Em." comment you made? In hip-hop, YOUR the 'nigga', not me. Anyway,
you go on to say:
"Finally, Eminem is as original as any musician I've ever heard,
and he doesn't have to suck the dick of every rapper before him to get
credibility."
Yo, I don't think you know Em as well as you think you do. Eminem
has given credit to 2 Pac, and I'm paraphrasin what he said, as the most
influencial rapper he's ever heard. And if your the fan, I know you've
heard "Infinite", and you would definately notice the change Eminem has
made in his lyrics, so don't give me these half-assed answers!!!
Aiyyo, I'm threw with this. You've basically said nothin in this post.
Yo, why don't you just keep downloadin Third Eye Blind joints on napster
and keep to yourself.
e-Factor
TJ Xenos
>Prevail, Hush, Matrix, Abutta, Esoteric, Freestyle, D-Stroy, Mr. Eon,
>Ryu, Andy Cat, Dizzy Dustin, LMNO, Evidence, L-Fudge, R.A. The Rugged
>Man and Square One -- and I'll let you
freestyler "break dwon fractals like pterodactyls....el dash pee OFF THE DOME,
etc". Ive heard a little a-butta and he was decent, but not exceptionally
nice, ditt for l-fudge. Eso is nice but not as nice as em. Eon is wack, tho he
says some shit thats nice in a thowaway sort of way (like lots of outsidaz
stuff, its dope but has no real meaning). RA the rugged man, im not even gonna
touch, but i think hes one of the top 3 rappers ever, the other 99% of the
heads think hes hopelessly wack.... As for white emcees what abot sole and the
rest of anticon, etc
T.J. Xenos
xen...@student.wit.edu
"Rugged Man, hairy, fat slob, unshaven
the Ten Commandments, we constantly disobeyin"
"The hairy fat slob, I glorify gluttony,
butt-ugly, only ugly bitches be fuckin me"
Bacardi151
idiot, strait up. Before there was classical music, blue grass,
soul, R&B, jazz and all that shit, rhythm started in central
Africa within tribes. Drums were played during special occasions
and celebrations. So the overall evolvment ov music started in
these drums and progressed in the States during the slave era's
where hymns we're sung to keep they're minds off all the fucked
up situation. This continued to progress during the 1930s where
music was supposed to be some phenomenon to the ear (when all
along we we're singin from the get go). And of course this
branched off with blues, soul, and jazz, where some ov the first
artists we're discovered. So before you go and make a statement
like "black people had nothing to do with the history and
evolution of classical music", which I doubt is a true
statement, take heed that classical branched off from jazz and
blues, because the three have something in common: all three are
handled with instruments only. Just thought I'd enlighten you to
a few facts that your history teacher wouldn't dare tell you.
And to touch on the "white music is going to sell more" idea,
you've got it backwards. Your are, unfortunately, right about
whites outweighin us as far as pop. goes in the US, but more
whites buy hip-hop albums than blacks do, believe it or not.
Just thought I'd clear that up.>>>
I guess you have never heard of Mozart or Bethovan, because
these guys lived way before 1930. Sorry, but that was the most
stupid statement I have ever heard on a board. I will not argue
that Jazz and blues might have had an influence on MODERN
classical music, but that classical stemed from them...I think
you should have payed a little more attention in history class.
Classical was defined hundreds of years before a hint of Jazz or
Blues emerged.
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KChamp1
That's you on 88.9 on Wednesdays?
Peace,
Kool
nomadik
yep, that's me, i did my show last night, but i am going to barbados for 2
weeks so the girl who was doing it before is filling in for me while i am gone.
my on air name is nomadik also....call me when i return in 3 wednesdays so i
can give you a shout!! ~~ i am doing rockers on mondays too.
Aseop Da Visual Zodiac
out and respond too. I hate to say it, but the only reason you would say
that Em is the greatest rapper you've ever heard is simply because your
rather close-minded to the thousands, and I'll say it again, thousands
ov white emcees that are as nice and or better than Em. And,
paraphrasing what you said, you also added that bein white also adds to
your opinion ov him bein the best rapper you've ever heard? Well, can I
Prevail, Hush, Matrix, Abutta, Esoteric, Freestyle, D-Stroy, Mr. Eon,
Ryu, Andy Cat, Dizzy Dustin, LMNO, Evidence, L-Fudge, R.A. The Rugged
nothing to do with the history and evolution of classical music..."
Now this statement alone allows me to call you an idiot, strait
up. Before there was classical music, blue grass, soul, R&B, jazz and
all that shit, rhythm started in central Africa within tribes. Drums
were played during special occasions and celebrations. So the overall
evolvment ov music started in these drums and progressed in the States
during the slave era's where hymns we're sung to keep they're minds off
all the fucked up situation. This continued to progress during the 1930s
where music was supposed to be some phenomenon to the ear (when all
along we we're singin from the get go). And of course this branched off
with blues, soul, and jazz, where some ov the first artists we're
discovered. So before you go and make a statement like "black people had
nothing to do with the history and evolution of classical music", which
I doubt is a true statement, take heed that classical branched off from
jazz and blues, because the three have something in common: all three
are handled with instruments only. Just thought I'd enlighten you to a
few facts that your history teacher wouldn't dare tell you. And to touch
on the "white music is going to sell more" idea, you've got it
backwards. Your are, unfortunately, right about whites outweighin us as
far as pop. goes in the US, but more whites buy hip-hop albums than
blacks do, believe it or not. Just thought I'd clear that up. Now,
e-Factor
One man's simple is another man's huh - David Stone, 1979
Severe
part african to me, iriscience looks part hispanic.. no matter, yes they are
excellent emcees.. so i agree with you on that..
"death, the only thing on earth we can't avoid.."
-severe ones