Exactly what is a "backpacker"?
Von tripps
I'm clear on the defintion. Oh, and why is that so bad?
Von Tripps
SORDSWINGA
everywhere with a back pack on or it could be someone who fucks people in the
ass, probably a gay male.
"just remember when I bomb your set
I only cuss to make your mom upset" -eminem
Jeff Fougere
lot, one who jumps the bandwagon... sounds like it means that.. not sure
though...
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Aztec-Assassin
hip-hop kid...you usually see them at concerts with backpacks on
or the college hip-hop kid who wears a backpack out of necessity...they
too often are on the independent/underground tip...
these 2 often are one in the same.
another "backpacker" i can think of is the urban youth who are strictly
public transportation, sporting the walkman listening to hip-hop
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than take a car. They only buy independent label shit, they think they
know everything about everything. I see 'em at my job askin' me for some
single I never heard of, and nobody else heard of, knowin' we dont got
it, just tryin' to feel proud that they heard of someone that we havent
heard of. "So what do you suggest I get?" "Um, lemme see, you should cop
that Gangstarr joint", "Nah, It had a video so I dont want it", that was
a real conversation I had with one of those clowns. Call me crazy, but
I'm pretty sure I made that term up and everyone bit it, I could be
wrong.
R Walsh
>I'm pretty sure I made that term up and everyone bit it, I could be
>wrong.
Dont even try to take credit for this sayin', it has been around forever.
I've seen it in magazines and heard people saying it for years. Its not like
that just appeared in this newsgroup!
Christopher Gray
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Todd Ito
: i'm probably wrong but it could mean someone who changes what they like a
: lot, one who jumps the bandwagon... sounds like it means that.. not sure
: though...
Nope. Backpacker is a pretty self-explanatory term. It's someone who
always wears a backpack around town and at shows. Next time you go to a
show, look around for kids wearing backpacks. It's a pretty pejorative
term used to describe underground elitist type people. They are the ones
ususally wearing the backpacks.
Todd
Flimmer AS
Christopher Gray wrote:
> Back in the days before I got my ride, I would rock a backpack
> because:
> 1. If I bought something, instead of carrying it, I just tossed it in
> the backpack.
> 2. I always carried mad tapes and a walkman.
> 3. Overnighters.
>
You know, backpacks might just be one of the best inventions ever.. eff
a car, electricity, the telephone and nuclear weapons.. without
backpacks we'd walk around carrying tapes, fliers, books and what not in
our hands.. how wack wouldnt that be?
I know that alot of underground heads use backpacks.. but ..so what?
That doesnt make it any less- OR MORE handy.
Anyways... as a hardcore backpacker (as in, someone who NEVER leaves his
home without a backpack... dont ask me why, they just feel comfortable)
i wanna know what people (like, YOU) have in your backpacks right now...
backpacks (just like shoes) says alot about people.. .dont they?
Right now, my backpack contains:
-posters for my clubnight this friday
-some fliers and stickers for clubs and concerts that arent even in my
city..i dont know why i keep them...
-Bills that i dont intend to pay until next month.
-A brochure for a filmfestival i was at a month ago
-A box of matches
-A promo-CD of the new Squarepusher EP
-UNKLE "be there" 12"
-The Herbaliser "remedies" LP (yepp, i went by a recordstore today)
-A marker
-My filofax
-A roll of tape
I dont have my walkman in there, which is strange.. but if i HAD brought
it when i left home today id allso bring a c-90 dub of Project Blowed
ish, Elusive's "deceiving the right eye of confusion" and probably some
tapesingle (mos def or something) and a mixtape.
Ill bring it tomorrow ;)
Beside
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ti...@email.unc.edu (Todd Ito) wrote:
yo kid, that's cuz they got they cans and they piece of cardboard in
there.
guerilla hip-hop multi- elementalist manifesto
word
"hittin up walls at my best friend's wedding" --K-titanik
> Nope. Backpacker is a pretty self-explanatory term. It's someone who
> always wears a backpack around town and at shows. Next time you go to a
> show, look around for kids wearing backpacks. It's a pretty pejorative
> term used to describe underground elitist type people. They are the ones
> ususally wearing the backpacks.
>
> Todd
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Aztec-Assassin
: My Diamond Rio MP3 player is so light and compact I can carry it in my
: front pocket. Plus I've got damn near my whole CD collection on mp3,
: so in the mornings I can just download songs I'm in the mood for into
: my Rio, and away I go! These Rios are so dope, I think everyone
: should have one...
hmmm...do they have an adapter available for car stereos??? Forget buying
a cd trunk kit....do they have ESP (shock/anti-skip whatvercapabilities)?
Tyler Blohm
wrote:
>: I don't carry tapes, walkmans, or even my CD player in my backpack.
>: My Diamond Rio MP3 player is so light and compact I can carry it in my
>: front pocket. Plus I've got damn near my whole CD collection on mp3,
>: so in the mornings I can just download songs I'm in the mood for into
>: my Rio, and away I go! These Rios are so dope, I think everyone
>: should have one...
>
>hmmm...do they have an adapter available for car stereos??? Forget buying
>a cd trunk kit....do they have ESP (shock/anti-skip whatvercapabilities)?
Well, all you have to do to play it in a car stereo is buy one of
those casette-adapters that plug into the headphone jack, and there
you go...there isn't any anti-skip mechanism in the Rio, because it
doesn't need it! The songs are played right off the Rio's memory, and
there are no lasers or anything reading the song info. You can juggle
the thing up in the air and it won't skip...
The downside to them is the cost. Without the extra flash memory the
player is about $199, and extra memory is about $100 I think. Without
memory the player holds about 30 minutes of music, if encoded at 128
kbps. With memory that time doubles. Right now I can't decide if I
should get the extra memory or not...although I think the cost is
really worth it if you are a music addict like me. I think that after
a while the Rio would save you money, when you count all of the blank
tapes you didn't have to buy, batteries that don't need to be bought
(the Rio runs off of 1 AA battery for 12 hours), albums that didn't
have to be bought due to downloading the songs off the net for free...
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So what's your take on MP3 vs MP4? I was thinkin' about getting a Rio, but
thought that maybe I should wait for MP4 or until they have solidified their
encoding technique... or do you think MP3 is it?
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On Tue, 02 Mar 1999 17:30:20 +0100, Flimmer AS <fli...@flimmer.no>
> wrote:
>
> >Anyways... as a hardcore backpacker (as in, someone who NEVER leaves his
> >home without a backpack... dont ask me why, they just feel comfortable)
> >i wanna know what people (like, YOU) have in your backpacks right now...
> >backpacks (just like shoes) says alot about people.. .dont they?
>
> there right now:
>
> -My binder, holding all my homework, notes, papers, etc.
> -"Treffpunkt Deutsch," my German book
> -My German "Arbeitsbuch"
> -Calculator
> -Pens, pencils
> -"Microserfs," by Douglas Coupland (pretty funny book so far, a must
> for all computer nerds)
>
> The only thing cool in there right now is a bag of weed that I forgot
> to take out last night...
>
> I don't carry tapes, walkmans, or even my CD player in my backpack.
> My Diamond Rio MP3 player is so light and compact I can carry it in my
> front pocket. Plus I've got damn near my whole CD collection on mp3,
> so in the mornings I can just download songs I'm in the mood for into
> my Rio, and away I go! These Rios are so dope, I think everyone
> should have one...
Right here you have the true internet hip-hopper!!
Damn, I must be late on this MP3 thing. I still haven't seen anyone with
an MP3 player...
Peace
Mr. Hyde
Tyler Blohm
>So what's your take on MP3 vs MP4? I was thinkin' about getting a Rio, but
>thought that maybe I should wait for MP4 or until they have solidified their
>encoding technique... or do you think MP3 is it?
Shhhhhh...keep this MP4 stuff on the DL. :)
Seriously...I've thought about MP4, how it could replace MP3 as the
encoding standard, but then realized that it's silly to worry about
it. Even if in a couple years everyone switches to MP4 (or another
format), I'll still have my Rio, Winamp, CDCopy, and MP3 to WAV
software that will still play MP3's just fine. I'll still be able to
use my Rio, make mix-CDs, listen to songs while screwing around
on-line... The sound quality between MP3s, MP4s, and CDs is so small
you can't really tell a difference unless you know what you're
listening for, so I doubt I'd buy a new player if MP4s became the
standard. What I WOULD worry about is competing companies coming out
with their own versions of the Rio...I'm sure that before the year is
over we'll see players that hold a couple hours worth of music,
contain more expandable memory, etc. So if I were to consider buying
a MP3 player now, I'd make sure to keep up to date on industry news,
reading mags and websites like www.slashdot.org to make sure that
better/cheaper players aren't on the way...
Jupiter
>
>Christopher Gray wrote:
>
>> Back in the days before I got my ride, I would rock a backpack
>> because:
>> 1. If I bought something, instead of carrying it, I just tossed it in
>> the backpack.
>> 2. I always carried mad tapes and a walkman.
>> 3. Overnighters.
>>
>home without a backpack... dont ask me why, they just feel comfortable)
>i wanna know what people (like, YOU) have in your backpacks right now...
I don't have a backpack with me (since about 5 years, when I got my
first car), but I got this jacket with pockets you can hide a horse
in.. very handy. Lessee what I got:
-an Mc Eiht tape (playing in the deck right now)
-an old skool funk tape
-Mystical: Unpredictable
-Just Ice's latest
-Krewcial with the Mystic Journeymen (which is only in there because I
had to remove it from my old car though)
-Brother Arab / Gangsta NIP
-a video I rented yesterday to watch with my homie, which I gotta
return right after work today. It was "Dark City", an attempt at being
a weird movie (yes, there's room for a video in there)
-three diskettes I needed yesterday because I had to fix my boss'
home-computer.
-a bunch of papers, directions to a studio, flyers, a birthcard (my
homie just became a father), a loveletter (hey, I'm popular :))
-two franks and some screws that came from removing my system from my
old car
-my keys, a pen, a lighter
-maaltijdcheques (some sort of checks you can use in restaurants)
-creditcard from work (damn I need to return this someday)
-a knitted cap
I got pulled over by the cops the other day, I couldn't stop laughing
when they told me to empty my pockets.
peAce,
Joe Piler.
BSE
Two points:
1. Hip hop artists will not get as much cash for the choons. now
obviously major label artists make virtually no loot from sales, but
underrgound heads do, they need that money to survive and cover costs.
This is a smaller point but still, people who say "I dont need the new
MF Doom, ive got it on MP3 of the internet" bother me, that is not an
okay state of affairs. Artists like PE who put shit out on MP3 on
prupose is a different story.
2.Since we hip hop heads are such criminals and all and as always will
probably lead the way in pirating MP3s of the inernet, will major labels
decide eventually that hip hop is to much of a risk and they cant afford
to loose so many sales to pirating and thusly pull out of hip hop?
Not sure if thats such a bad thing right this minute but still, if hip
hop takes up MP3 pirating more than other genres(which is seems to be
doing) will it get shunned by the indeustry?
Peace, BSE.
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Legonda...@webtv.net (GoldenChild) writes:
>word, the underground worms (not all) that would rather ride the bus
>than take a car. They only buy independent label shit, they think they
>know everything about everything. I see 'em at my job askin' me for some
>single I never heard of, and nobody else heard of, knowin' we dont got
>it, just tryin' to feel proud that they heard of someone that we havent
>heard of. "So what do you suggest I get?" "Um, lemme see, you should cop
>that Gangstarr joint", "Nah, It had a video so I dont want it", that was
>a real conversation I had with one of those clowns. Call me crazy, but
>I'm pretty sure I made that term up and everyone bit it, I could be
>wrong.
>
>
I posted about kids like this a few months back. I had a conversation with one
who works in HMV (major record store in UK) and he was telling me that he NEVER
buys stuff on major labels, strictly independents. I'm glad someone has
confirmed that this species does exist :) In my post I said I don't understand
how people can just ignore stuff on majors (eg Gang Starr, KRS...etc...) and I
got a couple of responses (not mentioning names) saying that I couldn't
understand independent hip-hop (I've been buying independendent as well as
major-label hip-hop for 13 years!!) and that the reason I posted was just
because my favourite commercial artist got dissed on the ng (favourite
commercial artist? whodat?? Dissed?? as if I care..).... At the time I couldn't
be bothered to respond but when I saw this post I thought I'd just take the
opportunity to put in my 2 bobs worth....
Believe me, the kids described above do exist (especially here in the UK) and
I'm pretty sure there are a few on this newsgroup....Personally, if I like a
piece of music I couldn't give a flying fuck what label it's on....I would
agree that the most creative stuff coming out nowadays is more often than not
on an indie label. However I wouldn't completely disregard major
releases...The main problem with major releases to me seems to be consistency(
for the purpose of this post, we'll ignore the stuff that is just plain,
unadulterated bollocks for now... :O)). Majors just don't want to release
albums unless there are at least 2 radio-friendly cuts on there. So you have
potentially great albums ruined by a few weak radio tracks and often a few
tracks trying to appeal to a wider audience (eg the Southern sounding tracks we
keep getting just lately on East Coast stuff (like that stoopid one on the Def
squad LP (Niggas An't Ready(?)(not that the def Squad LP was exactly amazing
anyway)))) (Woah - enough with the brackets :)) ... A good example of this is
the Pun album. OK I know this ng isn't exactly on Pun's nuts but he does have
potential....but the album was inconsistent...trying to cover too many
bases.... but cuts like the one with Black Thought? You can't front...Xzibit
album? ... wicked....
On the flip, although there is a wealth of talent and creativity in indie-land
(Mister Voodoo, Co Flow, Mr Complex, Supafriendz etc...)(and some fat, fat
releases that you know would NEVER be released on a major) there are some indie
releases that just aren't worth the cardboard sleeve they come in...(oh, I know
there's more commercial bullshit that is even less deserving...Nore
anyone??)....to me, the two worlds (indie and major), while not completely
unconnected, have their own high and low points....I enjoy plundering the high
points of each :) ...the moral of this story? Ignore what people tell you,
ignore the label, just listen to the music....now I bet you're wondering why
you even took the time to read this aren't you? Hehehe...
===
Jay
===
"...you fall for everything because you don't stand for shit" - Wise
Intelligent
Jamie Day
a back pack...
First I'm gonna take out my Differential Equations book out of it and bust him
in the melon with it..
Then I'm gonna teach them second order non-homogeneous equation manipulation
and quiz 'em... if they get the questions wrong they're gonna carry my books
around campus all day and keep it real for me.
WBC
Tim Schnetgoeke
>Am I the onyl person bothered by MP3s?
>
>Two points:
>
>1. Hip hop artists will not get as much cash for the choons. now
>obviously major label artists make virtually no loot from sales, but
>underrgound heads do, they need that money to survive and cover costs.
>This is a smaller point but still, people who say "I dont need the new
>MF Doom, ive got it on MP3 of the internet" bother me, that is not an
>okay state of affairs. Artists like PE who put shit out on MP3 on
>prupose is a different story.
i don't know if that's really the case. my 1210 still don't spin no
mp3s. if i really like something i wan't the vinyl as soon as i can
afford to get it. everybody i know who's got mp3s still spends as much
as possible on vinyl. there's the type of music one loves + needs to
own by any means possible + there's the stuff one tapes from a friend,
because it's ok. having that as mp3 instead of on tape doesn't make
too much of a difference to me. having hard to get stuff as mp3,
because one just can't spend shitloads of money to get the vinyl seems
ok, too. but then again, if virtual turntables + mp3s is all one has
got, there's defenitely something wrong.
tim
now if i worry too much about all my have-nots, i might not recognize just what i've got
jungle brothers
H E N R i . C O M
wrote:
> or it could be someone who fucks people in the
>ass, probably a gay male.
>
>
Isn't that a fudgepacker??
"If you got 36 prostitutes, and have 30 cents in your pocket, what'cha got???
Proof that hoes come a dime a dozen." - Big Daddy Kane.
H E N R i . C O M
<khy...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>
>Right here you have the true internet hip-hopper!!
>
>Damn, I must be late on this MP3 thing. I still haven't seen anyone with
>an MP3 player...
>
>Peace
>
>Mr. Hyde
I saw this cat on the bus with one just a few days ago. I was
like "Hmmm... I know what that is."
On the real though, I'm not really feeling this MP3 thing.
Now, if I understand this right: say I wanted to get my own tracks on
the player, don't I have to still drop the tracks on the hard drive of
my computer?? Someone get back to me on this. I love the size of the
player though. that thing is like mad small...
But I'm really feeling the MD players/recorders. I like their
sice and the fact that they seem to be catchin gon everywhere. My
station just got one put in. Anyone esle feel me???
H E N R i . C O M
>Am I the onyl person bothered by MP3s?
>
Nope.
Steve S. Jackson
: Am I the onyl person bothered by MP3s?
No, you're not.
:
: Two points:
:
: 1. Hip hop artists will not get as much cash for the choons. now
: obviously major label artists make virtually no loot from sales, but
: underrgound heads do, they need that money to survive and cover costs.
: This is a smaller point but still, people who say "I dont need the new
: MF Doom, ive got it on MP3 of the internet" bother me, that is not an
: okay state of affairs. Artists like PE who put shit out on MP3 on
: prupose is a different story.
Yeah, I can understand PE doing it as an anti-label, PLUCK YOU!!! type thing
but dag. I've pretty much stopped bootlegging (well, making dubs from
borrowed CDs/tapes) unless the lp just isn't up to par. But i guess I
stopped for the wrong reasons...I like to know the production credits and
liner notes and everything. Ok, let's just scrap this whole paragraph. Yes,
BSE, there is something inherently wrong with MP3s
:
: 2.Since we hip hop heads are such criminals and all and as always will
: probably lead the way in pirating MP3s of the inernet, will major labels
: decide eventually that hip hop is to much of a risk and they cant afford
: to loose so many sales to pirating and thusly pull out of hip hop?
: Not sure if thats such a bad thing right this minute but still, if hip
: hop takes up MP3 pirating more than other genres(which is seems to be
: doing) will it get shunned by the indeustry?
I don't think so. Hip-hop is still valuable to major labels. What will
probably happen is stiff penalties for those who create MP3s. At least, until
the industry learns how to regualte it. However, if more groups go the way of
PE, we may see a revolution of sorts on our hands.
: : Peace, BSE.
:
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just most people are so fucking lame when it comes to music. I say to my
mate, oh, have you heard that new KRS track? and they're like, fuck whos
KRS? Basicaly what you lot consider major label is underground for the
many dickheads who think they know about hip-hop. Belive me, just last
week I had to convice some prick I know that works in Virgin megastore
that 2pacs dead.
DJ/MC Twista, London
Richar...@hockeymail.com
> >Personally,
> >if I like a piece of music I couldn't give a flying fuck what label it's
> >on....I would agree that the most creative stuff coming out nowadays is
> >more often than not on an indie label. However I wouldn't completely
> >disregard major releases...The main problem with major releases to me
> >seems to be consistency( for the purpose of this post, we'll ignore the
> >stuff that is just plain, unadulterated bollocks for now... :O)).
Just a minute's worth of politics, I promise: one of the most important
reasons to avoid major label product is that the way they do business
is so fucking corrupt as to make three-card monte hustlers look like
saints. To throw in with a major label is to support by one's actions
a system that has systematically conducted a policy of racism,
exploitation, and general wackosity since its inception.
The majors didn't want any part of hip-hop until they
saw they could profit from it -- so why shouldn't the people who've
been there from the jump profit first and best? Let the major labels
keep their well-groomed second-stringers. So sometimes the mere sight
of a major-label logo can be enough to flat wreck an album for some
people. Like if you've been seeing someone and they cheat on you: well,
their face never quite looks as good to you, does it?
All that said, if an album kicks ass, then it kicks ass and you can't
say it doesn't just because you don't like where its money comes from.
Some punk bands who sell out encourage their fans to shoplift major
label product. Not wanting to pick a fight with any record store clerks,
but I don't really see a problem with that. It's difficult to even
conceive of the amount of money the majors have on their hands, how
much of it they could afford to burn without even feeling it. Straight
-sick.-
Out
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>Flimmer AS <fli...@flimmer.no> wrote:
>>
>>Christopher Gray wrote:
>>
>>> Back in the days before I got my ride, I would rock a backpack
>>> because:
>>> 1. If I bought something, instead of carrying it, I just tossed it in
>>> the backpack.
>>> 2. I always carried mad tapes and a walkman.
>>> 3. Overnighters.
>>>
>>Anyways... as a hardcore backpacker (as in, someone who NEVER leaves his
>>home without a backpack... dont ask me why, they just feel comfortable)
>>i wanna know what people (like, YOU) have in your backpacks right now...
Right lettme look in my backpack;
I have my walkman,
7 mix tapes me and a few mates recorded,
an eminem filled tape,
2 drum and bass tapes,
a garage tape,
rush hour soundtrack (not mine but a few tracks are phat),
school books (chemistry, music, and a macbeth textbook),
my brandnew asskicking Nike TL (they're new over here),
pirate copy of street fighter alpha 3 for playstation (boom game),
Chelsea FC kit ( I had PE),
Pens and things louse around the bag.
These things are in a 7-8 year old Umbro bag.
DJ/MC Twista, London
JAYSAB
writes:
So you left Illmatic on the shelf then?
===
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BSE
People might think of me as an underground jocking tpe person,
especially since i deffend it when Goldenboy goes off on one.
But as he says "Whats fresh is fresh" and anyone who didnt buy a record
wiuth music to thier taste, because it was either on a major or on a
minor, is a fool.
I try not but buy anything from Bill Gates or Rupert Mursoch, cos thats
me I dont like these people and I dont feel abliged to pay for the
drivel they produce. I try not to buy from Sony too much but I'll buy
the Nas single.
you can sort fo take my feelings about Gates and say you dont by major
label hip hop because of the business and teh fat cat aspect of it. But
is that a reason to actually not buy the music you like? Kind of
shooting yourself in the foot arent you?
And what about labels which are imprints on majors or are distributed by
majors. Like Loud, Tommy Boy, or Rawkus?
To NOT buy underground shit because its "trendy" or "pretentious" is
also stupid. Then there is n way of bringing thourhg new artists, or for
wild and unconventional artists to get released.
We could fight a war between the under and teh over, teh major and the
minor, but theres no fucking point. Deal with each artist as an
individual. Do i think Puffy is shit? Yes I do, and I can rant about it
for hours, do i think teh J-Treds single is shit? Yes and I can rant
about it for hours.
Richar...@hockeymail.com
> This is funny.
> People might think of me as an underground jocking tpe person,
> especially since i deffend it when Goldenboy goes off on one.
> But as he says "Whats fresh is fresh" and anyone who didnt buy a record
> wiuth music to thier taste, because it was either on a major or on a
> minor, is a fool.
Well, lemme say first, of course you're right: start listing off
the classics of hip-hop and you're going to find a hell of lot
of major label product. Public Enemy, anyone? BDP? Eric B and Rakim?
Tommy Boy wouldn't have made it into the hands of many people
without major label distro, and neither would Priority ('course,
Priority's a mixed blessing, but that's off-topic).
> I try not but buy anything from Bill Gates or Rupert Mursoch, cos thats
> me I dont like these people and I dont feel abliged to pay for the
> drivel they produce. I try not to buy from Sony too much but I'll buy
> the Nas single.
Here's where I'm hearing you loudest. But when you get a look at the
actual tentacles of Sony, for example -- pretty much anything on
CD you buy ends up filtering at least a little money back to Sony --
then exactly how evil the majors are begins to come clear. A few years
back there was an issue of the punk 'zine Maximum Rock and Roll that
spelled it out real nice-like with charts and shit. Not sure of the
ish # but it had a guy holding the barrel of a pistol in mouth in close-up
on the cover with the large caption "Some of your friends are already
this fucked."
> you can sort fo take my feelings about Gates and say you dont by major
> label hip hop because of the business and teh fat cat aspect of it. But
> is that a reason to actually not buy the music you like? Kind of
> shooting yourself in the foot arent you?
Well, yeah. My main point is be conscious, do what you can, if it comes
down to dropping your near-twenty-buck on something with major label
distro -or- flatout on a major, give the money to the people that don't
already own everything.
You can't escape the majors unless you stop buying music completely.
> And what about labels which are imprints on majors or are distributed by
> majors. Like Loud, Tommy Boy, or Rawkus?
word
>
> To NOT buy underground shit because its "trendy" or "pretentious" is
> also stupid. Then there is n way of bringing thourhg new artists, or for
> wild and unconventional artists to get released.
word
> We could fight a war between the under and teh over, teh major and the
> minor, but theres no fucking point. Deal with each artist as an
> individual.
I don't know if I'd go that far, though. You can't separate the art
from the system that produces it, not completely. If
Geffen announced that they were instituting a policy
of straight-up institutional racism, hiring only whites
to work in their offices, but kept this policy separate
from their whose-records-we'll-release policy, and then
they dropped, say, "Wu-Tang Forever," would you hold Wu
blameless for putting out the record on a label that was
actually harming society? Of course not: you'd rightly say,
"Fuck anybody who records for this label, I don't care what
their record sounds like."
Well: EMI is the largest munitions manufacturer IN THE WORLD.
So when I buy something that EMI's got its grubby fingers in,
I ought to at least be conscious that there's a little bit
of blood on my hands when I do so.
Talking too much,
BSE
>
> BSE <b...@bseuk.com> wrote:
> > I try not but buy anything from Bill Gates or Rupert Mursoch, cos thats
> > me I dont like these people and I dont feel abliged to pay for the
> > drivel they produce. I try not to buy from Sony too much but I'll buy
> > the Nas single.
>
> Here's where I'm hearing you loudest. But when you get a look at the
> actual tentacles of Sony, for example -- pretty much anything on
> CD you buy ends up filtering at least a little money back to Sony --
> then exactly how evil the majors are begins to come clear.
Yeah and I dont succeed in not buying anything from sony. I have a N64,
this is something that means a lot to me, Playstation owners are fools,
Playstation 2 owners may well be sensible. I DO own a Sony minidisc
player, to be honest I do think SOny make the best walkmans/mdmans for
thier price(which is still extortionate), so if the product is good
enough I will buy it regardless. I have various Nas and Cypress hill
records but then I dont regret that, they are all dope records and
buying them might encourage Sony to relaese better shit :) yeah right.
> > you can sort fo take my feelings about Gates and say you dont by major
> > label hip hop because of the business and teh fat cat aspect of it. But
> > is that a reason to actually not buy the music you like? Kind of
> > shooting yourself in the foot arent you?
>
> Well, yeah. My main point is be conscious, do what you can, if it comes
> down to dropping your near-twenty-buck on something with major label
> distro -or- flatout on a major, give the money to the people that don't
> already own everything.
>
> You can't escape the majors unless you stop buying music completely.
Yeah definately, anotehr thing is where I shop, I try and buy everyhting
in small hip hop record shops, sometimes I buy in a small multi genre
shop because of its price, but I try not to buy from HMV or Virgin which
are the two biggest chains here.
> > We could fight a war between the under and teh over, teh major and the
> > minor, but theres no fucking point. Deal with each artist as an
> > individual.
>
> I don't know if I'd go that far, though. You can't separate the art
> from the system that produces it, not completely. If
> Geffen announced that they were instituting a policy
> of straight-up institutional racism, hiring only whites
> to work in their offices, but kept this policy separate
> from their whose-records-we'll-release policy, and then
> they dropped, say, "Wu-Tang Forever," would you hold Wu
> blameless for putting out the record on a label that was
> actually harming society? Of course not: you'd rightly say,
> "Fuck anybody who records for this label, I don't care what
> their record sounds like."
Yep your right. I retract that statement. Still if you gave me the
chance again thenm I would gladly leave Wu Tang forever on the shelf.
> Well: EMI is the largest munitions manufacturer IN THE WORLD.
> So when I buy something that EMI's got its grubby fingers in,
> I ought to at least be conscious that there's a little bit
> of blood on my hands when I do so.
This is a slight exaggeration, EMI is owned by the same company that
owns erm(forgotten the name) this munitions manufacturor, there is as
far as I know no subsidisation or sharing of money, they are seperate
companys as much as tow under one umbrella can be.
Nike, what about nike? I tried to boycott them but then found that they
are the only people supplying basketball shoes to the UK at the moment
while basketball is out of fashion, so I had to buy a pair of boots,
still it pisses me off cos the shits are fuckign uncomfortable, got a
big bit at the back that gives me blisters.
BSE
STRATEGY3
>From: BSE <b...@bseuk.com>
>Yeah and I dont succeed in not buying anything from sony. I have a N64,
>this is something that means a lot to me, Playstation owners are fools,
>Playstation 2 owners may well be sensible.
You can't possibly be saying that N64 is better than Playstation, can you?
Yes, the (alleged) Playstation 2 specs are pretty amazing.........I'm actually
looking forward to getting the Dreamcast system, it will be out much sooner and
looks very good....I think Sega may have learned from their Saturn blunder....
STRATEGY
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Tim Brown
STRATEGY3 <stra...@aol.comNOPE> wrote in article
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> >Subject: Re: Exactly what is a "backpacker"?
> >From: BSE <b...@bseuk.com>
> Yes, the (alleged) Playstation 2 specs are pretty amazing.........I'm
actually
> looking forward to getting the Dreamcast system, it will be out much
sooner and
> looks very good....I think Sega may have learned from their Saturn
blunder....
Word. That's what I've been waiting for. Those pics and videos of Shenmue
look awesome sho nuff. And Sonic looks LOVELY. I've seen some videos of it
and I get flashbacks of "Wipeout."
"All the mail went to Dante Ross--here was a big box of mail at Tommy Boy
called 'Dante The Scrub Mail.' " -Prince Paul