Eightball & MJG - Space Age 4 Eva - Swishahouse rmx album

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I saw this shit at tower today. Listened to most of it, it sounds
good. Other screw/swishahouse shit i've heard I haven't been too into,
but I've only heard 3-4 songs(Down 4 My Niggas, Shorty Wanna Be A Thug
and a couple others I can't remember). The ball and mjg was only
slowed down a little and chopped.

So is this the first "official" swishahouse release??


wes

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wesley...@hotmail.com (memyselfandi) wrote in message news:<55f08782.0109...@posting.google.com>...

No, they have a few others. In a sense, their mix tapes are "official
releases" in the sense that they are available above the counter
(though I'm sure they aren't licensed or anything).

In this case, i believe they took a pre-existing Suave House release
(correct me if I'm wrong), licensed it out from Suave for a percentage
of sales or even a flat rate.

Other official releases are:

Da Mista Masta Archie Lee
(this is originally on Swishahouse, but they also did a "screwed &
chopped" release of it)

Slim Thug - I Represent This

Day Hell Broke Loose 1 & 2 - various swishahouse artists original
songs

coming soon:

Big Tiger & Lil Mario LP's

they took the mix tapes off the site, so maybe they've been running
into some legal trouble on those. I'm sure you can still get them on
the street though

STRATEGY

DeadWood D!ck

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In article <469fb6f1.01091...@posting.google.com>,

screwol...@onebox.com (Bay Way 41510) wrote:

> wesley...@hotmail.com (memyselfandi) wrote in message
news:<55f08782.0109...@posting.google.com>...
> > I saw this shit at tower today. Listened to most of it, it sounds
> > good. Other screw/swishahouse shit i've heard I haven't been too into,
> > but I've only heard 3-4 songs(Down 4 My Niggas, Shorty Wanna Be A Thug
> > and a couple others I can't remember). The ball and mjg was only
> > slowed down a little and chopped.
> >
> > So is this the first "official" swishahouse release??
> >
> >
> > wes
>
> No, they have a few others. In a sense, their mix tapes are "official
> releases" in the sense that they are available above the counter
> (though I'm sure they aren't licensed or anything).

SwishaHouse is licensed etc through SouthWest Wholesale.
All the product they sell is official except maybe a few of the out the
trunk freestyles, but selling out the trunk is technically offical too if
you filed all your paperwork. The biggest issue to them is protecting
there product from bootleggers. Major commercial releases aren't really
hurt by bootleggers unless the album leaks and is wack, but small indie
labels can be hurt significantly, which is why they shout out places to
get 'official' copies of their product.

I think the major difference is that indie camps like SwishaHouse and the
SUC have legions of footsoldiers that make up their street promo teams.
I've been in a number of record stores all over the state of Texas and
they have people who hand deliver units for sale.

It's not just a passion, they make it a business too.

Micheal '5000' Watts isn't just some hip-hopper, he's a very well
established Houston radio personality on 97.9 The Boxx, probably one of
the biggest stations that plays hip-hop in the country. He has lots of
contacts, he's been on the radio for at least 10 years.

Part of the success of screw is the fact that Houston is a very large city
and local indie artists can sell 20,000 units locally if they have a club
hit.

Independently they make $5 a unit, that's a lot of cash from limited sales.
That's why I say hip-hop is regional, more so than most folks believe, to
the point where the actual 'elements' themselves come into question.


> In this case, i believe they took a pre-existing Suave House release
> (correct me if I'm wrong), licensed it out from Suave for a percentage
> of sales or even a flat rate.


Eightball & MJG left Suave House and are on their own label, based in New York.
(I think its Encor Entertainment) Many folks speculate that Rap-A-Lot ran
Suave House out of town, but I beleive ultimately its was artists jumping
ship for not getting paid which forced them to switch labels. Rap-A-Lot
was the largest Black-owned company in the US in 1996 I believe. They
have westcoast and DefJam connections, so commerically they are a viable
entity.

> Other official releases are:
>
> Da Mista Masta Archie Lee
> (this is originally on Swishahouse, but they also did a "screwed &
> chopped" release of it)


In Houston, almost every major release is re-released in a screwed and
chopped version. Some albums like the Botany Boys ship with regular and
screwed versions. I think yall don't comprehend how popular screw music
is down here.
You'll hear screw bumping in more peoples cars than regular radio.


> Slim Thug - I Represent This
>
> Day Hell Broke Loose 1 & 2 - various swishahouse artists original
> songs
>
> coming soon:
>
> Big Tiger & Lil Mario LP's


I believe both of these dropped a while back. They have a few other
releases of other local artists I can't think of off-hand, and almost
every local H-Town artist gets their albums screwed too.

There are hundreds of local artists down here just like in the Bay Area.

Pick Up that 'Screw Heads' compilation, it's got a few good artists on there.
I believe I saw a commercial for this on BET during RapCity so it's
probably available nationally.

If you can find it, get The WreckShop Family 'Ack'n A Azz' lp.
Best thing out screwed right now. (I would post it to the ftp but I know D
Wreck and i don't want to bootleg his stuff. I did up the single 'Power
Up' to the ftp. It's the current club anthem here along with 'Hold Up' by
Nemesis out of Dallas also on the ftp. Both for promo purposes only.


> they took the mix tapes off the site, so maybe they've been running
> into some legal trouble on those. I'm sure you can still get them on
> the street though
>


Naw...just bootleggers.

Most definitely.


I think the major difference nowadays is that screw is in a post DJ Screw era.
DJ Screw's mixes where different in that his tapes were popular becuz he
screwed artists that weren't really popular but were good like the Botany
Boys. It made you want to listen to his mixes becuz you didn't know what
to expect but you know it would be good. It kind of makes you non-biased
in your listening tastes, which is a bad habit of lots of backpackers,
which made the tapes universal. Screw also produced lots of orginal beats
with his freestyle tapes, moreso than SwishaHouse.

But there are lots of dj's making Screw in Houston.
Beltway 8 Records, DJ Bone, Freestyle Kingz, Sh!t Factory and the list goes on.

It kinda really just depends on what side of Town you live on.
Here in Austin, erebody's either a backpacker, a boheme, or trying to be
like Houston so they clone anything H-Town does. But that's a whole notha
story.
I love ATX BTW. :-)


> STRATEGY


Get at me dog.
If you got it I need an mp3 of Joker the Bailbondsman 'Let Me See Yo Azz Drop'

Two.

OT

DeadWood D!ck

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Sep 20, 2001, 3:47:07 AM9/20/01
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> wesley...@hotmail.com (memyselfandi) wrote in message
news:<55f08782.0109...@posting.google.com>...
> > I saw this shit at tower today. Listened to most of it, it sounds
> > good. Other screw/swishahouse shit i've heard I haven't been too into,
> > but I've only heard 3-4 songs(Down 4 My Niggas, Shorty Wanna Be A Thug
> > and a couple others I can't remember). The ball and mjg was only
> > slowed down a little and chopped.
> >
> > So is this the first "official" swishahouse release??
> >
> >
> > wes
>
> No, they have a few others. In a sense, their mix tapes are "official
> releases" in the sense that they are available above the counter
> (though I'm sure they aren't licensed or anything).

SwishaHouse is licensed etc through SouthWest Wholesale.


All the product they sell is official except maybe a few of the out the
trunk freestyles, but selling out the trunk is technically offical too if
you filed all your paperwork. The biggest issue to them is protecting
there product from bootleggers. Major commercial releases aren't really
hurt by bootleggers unless the album leaks and is wack, but small indie
labels can be hurt significantly, which is why they shout out places to
get 'official' copies of their product.

I think the major difference is that indie camps like SwishaHouse and the
SUC have legions of footsoldiers that make up their street promo teams.
I've been in a number of record stores all over the state of Texas and
they have people who hand deliver units for sale.

It's not just a passion, they make it a business too.

Micheal '5000' Watts isn't just some hip-hopper, he's a very well
established Houston radio personality on 97.9 The Boxx, probably one of
the biggest stations that plays hip-hop in the country. He has lots of
contacts, he's been on the radio for at least 10 years.

Part of the success of screw is the fact that Houston is a very large city
and local indie artists can sell 20,000 units locally if they have a club
hit.

Independently they make $5 a unit, that's a lot of cash from limited sales.
That's why I say hip-hop is regional, more so than most folks believe, to
the point where the actual 'elements' themselves come into question.

> In this case, i believe they took a pre-existing Suave House release
> (correct me if I'm wrong), licensed it out from Suave for a percentage
> of sales or even a flat rate.

Eightball & MJG left Suave House and are on their own label, based in New York.
(I think its Encor Entertainment) Many folks speculate that Rap-A-Lot ran
Suave House out of town, but I beleive ultimately its was artists jumping
ship for not getting paid which forced them to switch labels. Rap-A-Lot
was the largest Black-owned company in the US in 1996 I believe. They
have westcoast and DefJam connections, so commerically they are a viable
entity.

> Other official releases are:


>
> Da Mista Masta Archie Lee
> (this is originally on Swishahouse, but they also did a "screwed &
> chopped" release of it)

In Houston, almost every major release is re-released in a screwed and
chopped version. Some albums like the Botany Boys ship with regular and
screwed versions. I think yall don't comprehend how popular screw music
is down here.
You'll hear screw bumping in more peoples cars than regular radio.

> Slim Thug - I Represent This
>
> Day Hell Broke Loose 1 & 2 - various swishahouse artists original
> songs
>
> coming soon:
>
> Big Tiger & Lil Mario LP's

I believe both of these dropped a while back. They have a few other
releases of other local artists I can't think of off-hand, and almost
every local H-Town artist gets their albums screwed too.

There are hundreds of local artists down here just like in the Bay Area.

Pick Up that 'Screw Heads' compilation, it's got a few good artists on there.
I believe I saw a commercial for this on BET during RapCity so it's
probably available nationally.

If you can find it, get The WreckShop Family 'Ack'n A Azz' lp.
Best thing out screwed right now. (I would post it to the ftp but I know D
Wreck and i don't want to bootleg his stuff. I did up the single 'Power
Up' to the ftp. It's the current club anthem here along with 'Hold Up' by
Nemesis out of Dallas also on the ftp. Both for promo purposes only.

> they took the mix tapes off the site, so maybe they've been running
> into some legal trouble on those. I'm sure you can still get them on
> the street though
>

TJ Xenos

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Sep 20, 2001, 11:26:12 AM9/20/01
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>Eightball & MJG left Suave House and are on their own label, based in New
>York.
>(I think its Encor Entertainment)

I thought i read somewhere they were on JCOR? I know that's the label
tech-n9ne's on now, so im not sure :/
T.J. Xenos
xen...@student.wit.edu
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Bay Way 41510

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over...@mail.utexas.edu (DeadWood D!ck ) wrote in message news:<overtime-200...@cs242735-147.austin.rr.com>...

> In article <469fb6f1.01091...@posting.google.com>,
> screwol...@onebox.com (Bay Way 41510) wrote:
>
> > wesley...@hotmail.com (memyselfandi) wrote in message
> news:<55f08782.0109...@posting.google.com>...
> > > I saw this shit at tower today. Listened to most of it, it sounds
> > > good. Other screw/swishahouse shit i've heard I haven't been too into,
> > > but I've only heard 3-4 songs(Down 4 My Niggas, Shorty Wanna Be A Thug
> > > and a couple others I can't remember). The ball and mjg was only
> > > slowed down a little and chopped.
> > >
> > > So is this the first "official" swishahouse release??
> > >
> > >
> > > wes
> >
> > No, they have a few others. In a sense, their mix tapes are "official
> > releases" in the sense that they are available above the counter
> > (though I'm sure they aren't licensed or anything).
>
> SwishaHouse is licensed etc through SouthWest Wholesale.


You're missing what I'm saying.

They are not licensing all the songs on the mix tapes (CD's)

yes, labels are giving them the wink-wink treatment, and possibly
they're giving oral and/or written permission for song usage (maybe
the local labels?)

so technically, although their sales are legit, they are arguably
BOOTLEGGERS, because there is NO WAY that they're licensing all that
shit. If it was specific to a couple of labels maybe, but it's not,
it's across the boards, especially the "Fuck Action" series, you know
they ain't clearing all those songs with all those majors...

that doesn't mean labels won't turn a blind eye to it, but if he was
selling 50k+ consistently on the mixtapes, best believe labels would
be steppin' to him.

oh yeah, I don't "know" any of this, but it stands to reason

on the flip side, in some cases I wouldn't be surprised if he's being
paid to put groups on tapes, it's great promotion for emerging
artists, or any artists for that matter.


So that's why i contend that they are releasing shit on two levels.
When Watts puts out Swishahouse artists LP's, they don't even have
samples usually, cuase they're keeping the shit on the up-and-up in
case it really blows (I think). The exception to this would be the
Slim Thug album, but hey, I don't think it's a coincidence that you
can't find that widely like you can the Archie Lee or something else.
It's treated like one of their mixtapes, becasue frankly that's what
it is. And there's no way they licensed all those instrumentals on it
either, it doesn't move enough units (imo)

that's what I meant about it not being "official"

> All the product they sell is official except maybe a few of the out the
> trunk freestyles, but selling out the trunk is technically offical too if
> you filed all your paperwork.


again we're talking about two different things. You're talking about
reporting income (I think), I'm talking about (lack of) licensing of
at least SOME (probably most) of the material on the mix tapes (CD's).


>The biggest issue to them is protecting
> there product from bootleggers.


yeah

shit, I wish I would/could run across some screw bootleg tapes, I'm
tired of hearing little segmented portions of DJ Screw/Swishahouse
tapes off Napster or whatever. I can't get that shit anymore anyway,
no computer.

Hey OT, do you know who did this tape, I only got a piece of it, but
it's screwed and they blended Pac's "Hail Mary" instrumental with some
"Pocket Full Of Stones" remix and I'm feeling that shit in a major
way.


Major commercial releases aren't really
> hurt by bootleggers unless the album leaks and is wack, but small indie
> labels can be hurt significantly, which is why they shout out places to
> get 'official' copies of their product.
>
> I think the major difference is that indie camps like SwishaHouse and the
> SUC have legions of footsoldiers that make up their street promo teams.
> I've been in a number of record stores all over the state of Texas and
> they have people who hand deliver units for sale.
>
> It's not just a passion, they make it a business too.
>
> Micheal '5000' Watts isn't just some hip-hopper, he's a very well
> established Houston radio personality on 97.9 The Boxx, probably one of
> the biggest stations that plays hip-hop in the country. He has lots of
> contacts, he's been on the radio for at least 10 years.


well thanks for the info, I saw some shit on the swishahouse message
board about him spinnin' in Memphis on some station so I figured he
was somebody

>
> Part of the success of screw is the fact that Houston is a very large city
> and local indie artists can sell 20,000 units locally if they have a club
> hit.
>
> Independently they make $5 a unit, that's a lot of cash from limited sales.
> That's why I say hip-hop is regional, more so than most folks believe, to
> the point where the actual 'elements' themselves come into question.
>
>
> > In this case, i believe they took a pre-existing Suave House release
> > (correct me if I'm wrong), licensed it out from Suave for a percentage
> > of sales or even a flat rate.
>
>
> Eightball & MJG left Suave House and are on their own label, based in New York.
> (I think its Encor Entertainment) Many folks speculate that Rap-A-Lot ran
> Suave House out of town, but I beleive ultimately its was artists jumping
> ship for not getting paid which forced them to switch labels. Rap-A-Lot
> was the largest Black-owned company in the US in 1996 I believe. They
> have westcoast and DefJam connections, so commerically they are a viable
> entity.


who, Rap-A-Lot? oh yeah, their accomplishments as a label is
unprecedented when you consider the lack if radio play for the most
part.

I think I got sixty Rap-A-Lot albums...

>
>
>
> > Other official releases are:
> >
> > Da Mista Masta Archie Lee
> > (this is originally on Swishahouse, but they also did a "screwed &
> > chopped" release of it)
>
>
> In Houston, almost every major release is re-released in a screwed and
> chopped version.


but is it "official" (done by the parent label) or just "tolerated"
(or encouraged, as the case may be)

Some albums like the Botany Boys ship with regular and
> screwed versions. I think yall don't comprehend how popular screw music
> is down here.
> You'll hear screw bumping in more peoples cars than regular radio.


I need to move


>
>
> > Slim Thug - I Represent This
> >
> > Day Hell Broke Loose 1 & 2 - various swishahouse artists original
> > songs
> >
> > coming soon:
> >
> > Big Tiger & Lil Mario LP's
>
>
> I believe both of these dropped a while back. They have a few other
> releases of other local artists I can't think of off-hand, and almost
> every local H-Town artist gets their albums screwed too.
>
> There are hundreds of local artists down here just like in the Bay Area.
>
> Pick Up that 'Screw Heads' compilation, it's got a few good artists on there.
> I believe I saw a commercial for this on BET during RapCity so it's
> probably available nationally.
>
> If you can find it, get The WreckShop Family 'Ack'n A Azz' lp.
> Best thing out screwed right now. (I would post it to the ftp but I know D
> Wreck and i don't want to bootleg his stuff. I did up the single 'Power
> Up' to the ftp. It's the current club anthem here along with 'Hold Up' by
> Nemesis out of Dallas also on the ftp. Both for promo purposes only.


okay, I'll try and check those out, but I need the real shit, I want
some Beltway 8 tapes and some old DJ Screw shit, do any of the mom's
and pops out there do mail order?


>
>
> > they took the mix tapes off the site, so maybe they've been running
> > into some legal trouble on those. I'm sure you can still get them on
> > the street though
> >
>
>
> Naw...just bootleggers.
>
> Most definitely.
>
>
> I think the major difference nowadays is that screw is in a post DJ Screw era.
> DJ Screw's mixes where different in that his tapes were popular becuz he
> screwed artists that weren't really popular but were good like the Botany
> Boys. It made you want to listen to his mixes becuz you didn't know what
> to expect but you know it would be good. It kind of makes you non-biased
> in your listening tastes, which is a bad habit of lots of backpackers,
> which made the tapes universal. Screw also produced lots of orginal beats
> with his freestyle tapes, moreso than SwishaHouse.

yeah, I do like the way Watts and them take elements from current hits
and splice them up a bit. It's derivitave, but that's what mix tapes
do...

>
> But there are lots of dj's making Screw in Houston.
> Beltway 8 Records,

I liked that chop they did of "Southern Hospitality"

DJ Bone, Freestyle Kingz, Sh!t Factory and the list goes on.
>
> It kinda really just depends on what side of Town you live on.
> Here in Austin, erebody's either a backpacker, a boheme, or trying to be
> like Houston so they clone anything H-Town does. But that's a whole notha
> story.
> I love ATX BTW. :-)
>
>
> > STRATEGY
>
>
> Get at me dog.
> If you got it I need an mp3 of Joker the Bailbondsman 'Let Me See Yo Azz Drop'


nope, Im offline can't get nothing new, and too broke to buy something
new

>
>
>
> Two.
>
>
>
> OT


So where you headin' in that big-ass truck right about now?


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