Biggie - Juicy...
360
PS
Ready to Die is still a masterpiece - also I think I'd begin to agree with
the generally sentiment in here that it's the better of the two albums.
Stunning - without doubt, a work of art. So P Diddy might never produce
another great album but in RTD, we saw the beginnings of what was
undoubtedly a legacy. Stunning.
mochaspresso
I still fail to see why this song is regarded as something oh so
special. Other than the use of the Mtume sample, I really don't see
the big deal about it. I like the song because I liked Mtume's
Juicy. Therefore, I probably will like any song that uses that
sample.
360
On 4/2/07 1:45 AM, in article
1170513935.7...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com, "mochaspresso"
<mochas...@hotmail.com> wrote:
One of the closest thing to inspirational thug-rap. I'm hesitating to call
it feel-good music but it's got great vibe about it - a combination of the
lyrics and yes, a great sample.
Ralph wigg
He did rhyme ashy with classy ;)
beezer
> On Feb 3, 8:39 am, 360 <3...@360.com> wrote:
>
> > This song was originally meant to be called "All Good" right??
>
> > PS
>
> > Ready to Die is still a masterpiece - also I think I'd begin to agree with
> > the generally sentiment in here that it's the better of the two albums.
> > Stunning - without doubt, a work of art. So P Diddy might never produce
> > another great album but in RTD, we saw the beginnings of what was
> > undoubtedly a legacy. Stunning.
P Diddy produced Ready To Die? News to me.
> I still fail to see why this song is regarded as something oh so
> special. Other than the use of the Mtume sample, I really don't see
> the big deal about it. I like the song because I liked Mtume's
> Juicy. Therefore, I probably will like any song that uses that
> sample.
Like Kwaj says its aspirational or inspirational. It's a reminsicing
song which is allways good (see As I reminisce, Back In The Days,
Childs Play etc) and it's also "We Made It" type tune. It's real
uplifting.
He doesn't flip any particularly great rhymes but at that time (I'm
pretty sure) it was the first time we'd heard BIG spit on a slow beat.
Up until that point he'd been a monster over fast beats and you
wouldn't have known at all that he'd make his biggest mark with the
downtempo numbers the mid-90s are now remembered for.
His flow in it is impeccable and mad charismatic. I can't really think
who he could have based that slow but utterly paced flow on. NO ONE
(on the east coast) was doing that shit back then.
Great tune. Not a patch on the b-side though :-)
bse
360
On 5/2/07 2:12 AM, in article
1170601950.3...@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Ralph wigg"
<valid...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
True - wrong album though.
360
On 5/2/07 10:14 AM, in article
1170630893.3...@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "beezer"
<bee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3 Feb, 14:45, "mochaspresso" <mochaspre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 3, 8:39 am, 360 <3...@360.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This song was originally meant to be called "All Good" right??
>>
>>> PS
>>
>>> Ready to Die is still a masterpiece - also I think I'd begin to agree with
>>> the generally sentiment in here that it's the better of the two albums.
>>> Stunning - without doubt, a work of art. So P Diddy might never produce
>>> another great album but in RTD, we saw the beginnings of what was
>>> undoubtedly a legacy. Stunning.
>
> P Diddy produced Ready To Die? News to me.
You know what I mean. Exec produced...choose the producers, funded the
production and promoted the album (mix tapes in hamburger buns from what I
have read). In terms of beats...mo bee and primo carry this album.
>> I still fail to see why this song is regarded as something oh so
>> special. Other than the use of the Mtume sample, I really don't see
>> the big deal about it. I like the song because I liked Mtume's
>> Juicy. Therefore, I probably will like any song that uses that
>> sample.
>
> Like Kwaj says its aspirational or inspirational. It's a reminsicing
> song which is allways good (see As I reminisce, Back In The Days,
> Childs Play etc) and it's also "We Made It" type tune. It's real
> uplifting.
> He doesn't flip any particularly great rhymes but at that time (I'm
> pretty sure) it was the first time we'd heard BIG spit on a slow beat.
> Up until that point he'd been a monster over fast beats and you
> wouldn't have known at all that he'd make his biggest mark with the
> downtempo numbers the mid-90s are now remembered for.
> His flow in it is impeccable and mad charismatic. I can't really think
> who he could have based that slow but utterly paced flow on. NO ONE
> (on the east coast) was doing that shit back then.
I was listening to the album again this morning...remarkable. No one's
really come anywhere near his consitency and charisma since (jigga can try
but he's light years behind).
On a side note - I read somewhere that Jay thinks LAD is the better of the
albums. I used to agree. Not so sure now.
> Great tune. Not a patch on the b-side though :-)
Entendre? Are you referring to the b-side of the actual song or b-side as in
the brat.
> bse
>
Ralph wigg
I thought it was on the juicy tune?or was he just reminiscing...I like
Chris Rock when he says he saw a picture of Jesus and Biggie on a see-
saw...Jesus always up in da air.
360
On 6/2/07 4:34 AM, in article
1170696885.9...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Ralph wigg"
<valid...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Maybe he said on RTD as well. But he definitely uses that phrase on
LAD...actually come to think of it, he said something like (speaking in the
third person) "I love this boy because he was coming up, he said he went for
Ashy to Classy". A reference to the other album no doubt.
beezer
> > P Diddy produced Ready To Die? News to me.
>
> You know what I mean. Exec produced...choose the producers, funded the
> production and promoted the album (mix tapes in hamburger buns from what I
> have read). In terms of beats...mo bee and primo carry this album.
Don't forget the Funkyman. He produced what I rate as easily the
hottest beat on there if not the best song. DITC stole the show on
both Biggie LPs. I love that those albums have that one little corner
of them that is perfect storytelling NY grimy shit, in amongst all
that floss and swagger.
> I was listening to the album again this morning...remarkable. No one's
> really come anywhere near his consitency and charisma since (jigga can try
> but he's light years behind).
Charisma + skill he's pretty much out on his own. Consistency is a
moot point for me since he only actually signed off on one classic
album and one patchy bloated one. I wouldn't even say his rhymes are
consistently good on LAD.
> On a side note - I read somewhere that Jay thinks LAD is the better of the
> albums. I used to agree. Not so sure now.
RTD all the way. It's mad playable.
> > Great tune. Not a patch on the b-side though :-)
>
> Entendre? Are you referring to the b-side of the actual song or b-side as in
> the brat.
The brat? You've lost me.
No I meant JUICY wasn't a patch on it's b-side UNBELIEVABLE.
Speaking of production on RTD, we shouldn't forget that Primo only did
one track and that the less lauded Bluez Brothers and Chucky Thompson
produced many of the best tracks. Easy Mo Bee is the man but that
album was a rare production ensemble piece that worked. Props all over
the place.
bse
Ralph wigg
I stand corrected :) ,it was all a dream,I used to read word up
magazine
Propaganda Life
I was about to say Primo only did one track didn't he. It is a
remarkable album and one which I think is a bit better then LAD.
suntzu
> On 5 Feb, 08:29, 360 <3...@360.com> wrote:
>
>>> P Diddy produced Ready To Die? News to me.
>> You know what I mean. Exec produced...choose the producers, funded the
>> production and promoted the album (mix tapes in hamburger buns from what I
>> have read). In terms of beats...mo bee and primo carry this album.
>
> Don't forget the Funkyman. He produced what I rate as easily the
> hottest beat on there if not the best song. DITC stole the show on
> both Biggie LPs. I love that those albums have that one little corner
> of them that is perfect storytelling NY grimy shit, in amongst all
> that floss and swagger.
>
"machine gun funk" and "warning" are my favorites on there, so i'm going
w/ mo bee for my favorite production contribution.
> Easy Mo Bee is the man but that
> album was a rare production ensemble piece that worked. Props all over
> the place.
>
yeah, no doubt.
Ralph wigg
I always rated Hypnotize-however who came up with the line
Biggie,biggie,biggie cant u c ,sometimes your words just hypnotize me?
Was it Snoop or Tha Big poppa?
The beats of Biggie on that track win hands down. Does any1 know the
sample?
It is similar to Vivrant thing by Qtip-I think that was a sample from
Kool and the Gang.
nesta
>
> > beezer wrote:
>
> > > Don't forget the Funkyman. He produced what I rate as easily the
> > > hottest beat on there if not the best song. DITC stole the show on
> > > both Biggie LPs. I love that those albums have that one little corner
> > > of them that is perfect storytelling NY grimy shit, in amongst all
> > > that floss and swagger.
Buckwild did "I Got a Story to Tell," is that right?? Which is a dope
song, for the most part. But is anyone else annoyed that after the
rap is over, Big retells the entire story in a speaking voice as the
beat rides out? It adds absolutely nothing....I'm like, didn't you
just tell me this whole story?
>
>
> I always rated Hypnotize-however who came up with the line
> Biggie,biggie,biggie cant u c ,sometimes your words just hypnotize me?
> Was it Snoop or Tha Big poppa?
Don't know if I understand your question...what did Snoop have to do
w/ it? But that's taken from an old Slick Rick line: "Ricky, Ricky,
Ricky, can't you see...."
Anyway, there's no question _Ready to Die_ is better than _Life After
Death_. While _Ready_ isn't a classic to me personally, I do think
it's a dope album, and I guess it would have to be considered a
classic based on general consensus. When we voted on 1994 albums
almost 2 years ago, I ranked it 10th. Perhaps I should have moved it
slightly higher based on its impact, but there's a lot of albums that
year which I really love. (FWIW, my top 10 were Common, Nas,
Organized Konfusion, OC, Jeru, Digable, Gravediggaz, Outkast, Coup,
Biggie.)
- = k O e N s = - aka k-boogie
Hypnotize sampled Rise by Herb Alpert