2Pac is just 2Whack
Samir Chawla
I just heard the new 2Pac featuring The Outlaws joint. What the fuck is
he trying to do? He comes on the track saying "Fuck Biggie Smalls, Fuck
Mobb Deep, Fuck Bad Boy" Yo I don't care too much for Biggie myself but
this is what he had to say about Mobb Deep "Fuck Mobb Deep, you young
mutherfuckers, no wonder you got sickle cell whatever" I don't care if
he's got beef with them, but don't come down on a brotha just cause they
got a disease that they can't control. I'm telling you this boy has lost
it.
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S A M
E-Mail: ab...@torfree.net
R-D
Peace to all the (true) heads:
Let me get right to the point. The sooner Tupac, Dogg Pound, (that
whole genre/classification of "rap" music) is gone, the sooner we can
get back to hip-hop. This has really gotten out of hand. The only
reason Tupac is even here today is because of the grace of Allah who let
his wack ass live after that barrage(sp) of bullets he recievied. He
needs to be on his knees somewhere praying instead of signing his own
death certificate. Allah hates the ungrateful.
Secondly the dissin: I dislike biggie as much as the next head but I
must give the man credit, he can flow and as a lyricsit he'll rip the
head off tupac. I dislike Bad Boy as much as the next head but since
both Bad boy and Death Row is all about money, surely Bad Boy is making
more loot so what is Tupac talking about? Death Row has Snoop and
Tupac, that's it. Bad Boy has Biggie, Faith, Mary J, Junior Maf. (i
think) and Craig Mack. Is tupac for real.
Now Tupac trying to diss Mobb deep is like a rabbit attackin a python.
Why the hell would you diss Prodigee when his lyrics and his style is
fat as hell. (and no, if you really study, he is not a nas wannabe)
If I might make an observation:
I'm sorta glad he dissed the above cause it is another testament to the
fall of gangsta rap. Everyday you can see this manifestation. If
you'll notice there are more and more East coast heads alliances.
Everybody is appearing/representing on someone elses,
video/single/album.
1. Mobb and Das
2. KRS, Finesse, O.C.
3. AK and Sadat
4. K. Murray, Prodigy, Fat Joe, Foxy, LL
There are stronger families now:
1. Boot Camp
2. Diggin in the Crates
3. Bad Boy (wack but strong)
the list goes on and on. The east is realizing what must be done,
hip-hop is getting back to when it was fun and everyone was down. We are
finally, slowly but surely witnessing the fall of gangsta rap as we know
it, not knew it (Just ice) It's been a long time coming but thank God
it's finally approaching. wheeeww. I thought it would never get here.
There is a lot more science that could be added to this observation, but
other heads can add on if they'd like.
So, keep it up Tupac, keep signing your death Certificate, follow Ice
cube and watch your sales fall off as well for dissing the east. This
is a great day, and perhaps you have been chosen to bring about the next
era/level of hip-hop, though you won't be able to participate because it
will require originality, knowledge of self, and freshness. Lo, you
have made a great deal of money, but keep on smoking and drinking and
catching charges and your lawyer(s) and your accountant will get all of
that in the end. You see gangasta rap (today) was and is cancerous in
nature, it will eat itself from the inside out. Positivity allways wins
in the end.
Again I thank you and I say peace to the real heads.
R-D
(no need to flame, the truth is the truth)
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APage20301
I'm sorry, I had to get in this. Man, I love Aceyalone and Ras Kass and
Chino, but people keep making ignorant statements about Death Row and I
have to correct them. The brother R-D said that Bad Boy is bigger than
Death Row. Come on, now. I hate to get on the level of talking about
record sales, but the truth must be acknowledged. Death Row sells more
than any independent label in the rap industry, period. Tupac's sales are
supposed to be double platinum. The Dogg Pound is also double platinum.
Snoop was quadruple platinum. Dre, I believe, was triple platinum. Now,
how the fuck are you going to say Bad Boy has made more money than Death
Row when their only platinum act is Biggie? Use your fucking head. Last I
checked, Faith and Craig Mack were gold, but even if Craig Mack AND Faith
went platinum, Death Row has still sold three times as many records as Bad
Boy (including the "Above the Rim" and "Murder Was the Case" soundtracks).
If you include singles sales, Death Row blows Bad Boy completely out of
the water. On top of that, R-D has the nerve to call Tupac gangsta rap and
Mobb Deep hip-hop. Have you listened to the lyrics on "Back At You"?
Straight murder, line after line talking about homicide. BET had to bleep
out half of Havok's verse because he talked so much about killing. And
Mobb Deep doesn't even have a DJ in their crew! Death Row at least has Dre
(who spins a phat live show, I might add). This is bullshit. I refuse to
discuss it any further. No more dissing, just back to the hip-hop. I hope
KRS and Ras Kass team up and rip Mobb Deep, Death Row, and Bad Boy.
That'll end all of this dumb shit.
kari orr
In article <4ojsj1$l...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, apage...@aol.com (APage20301) says:
Death Row sells more
>than any independent label in the rap industry, period. Tupac's sales are
>supposed to be double platinum.
death row is on interscope, and for along time time warner was
instrumental in distributing interscope. if you're an independent
being distributed by a major, that makes you no longer independent,
because you have to depend on someone else for your distribution. Even
on priority. who in most circles is not considered independent,
the deathrow product can be found anywhere in america. You will never
have trouble finding a dr dre album. now see if you can find ras kass's
first 6 song ep on wax. Or will topeka record stores carry company flow?
or can you order the arsonists 12" from sam goody?
the business
k. orr
house of phat beats
R-D
APage20301 wrote:
>
> people keep making ignorant statements about Death Row and I
> have to correct them. The brother R-D said that Bad Boy is bigger than
> Death Row. Come on, now. I hate to get on the level of talking about
> than any independent label in the rap industry, period.
**First off let me say that, I don't appreciate you cussing at me APage
and calling me your brother in the same post. I dind't cuss at you or
anyone on the net, I was expressing my thoughts and fortunately the
truth. I dind't diss any Death Row fans I just gave plaudits and props
the east coast fans. Secondly I want to thank you, I baited the hook
and you were the first to bite. OF COURSE Death Row makes more money
than everyone else, they are only in it for the money. Each member of
death row, directly (dr. dre) or indirectly have publicly stated that
they are in it only for the money which immediately makes them rap and
not hip-hop. My point is that when your all about money your doom is
inevitable (mc bamma, vanilla lice) Personally I hope bad boy and
death row crumble, except for Faith and Mary, (too damn sexy).
Look I'm all for borthers making their loot, but don't claim to
represent hip hop, and don't make your loot at the expense of the black
community with all your gangsta crap when every april they are sitting
down with their accountant filing their taxes. (whos the real gangsta?)
It's argueable whether or not Mobb is gangsta or not, I mean they aint
riding around in cars they don't own, dressing up in these wack ass 70's
suits talking about how much money they make when in fact record
companies is dickin all of em especially death row. A lot of what mobb
says is metaphorical as Prodigy has publicly stated at a live show in
D.C. Your comment about them not having a d.j. dosen't hold water cause
I've seen KRS rip a show with a dat, does that make KRS non-hip hop now.
Get real dude.
> No more dissing, just back to the hip-hop. I hope
> KRS and Ras Kass team up and rip Mobb Deep, Death Row, and Bad Boy.
> That'll end all of this dumb shit.
Who's dissing? Your right let's get back to the hip-hop. By the way
KRS won't rip mobb deep cause theyre probably down, did you not see my
comments about alliances. Follow me. KRS and Das Efx are down and so
is Mobb and Das, KRS and Fat joe (DITC) are down and so is Mobb and fat
joe. HAHAHA you can't stop real hip hop. I hope Death row keeps on
dissing and making as much money as they possibly can. It will just get
us closer to the inevitable demise of wack compton gangsta RAP.
APage20301
R.D., I apologize for cursing. Unfortunately, I grew up using profanity
and occasionally I still find myself using it when I get amped up. Okay,
let's keep it simple. I think there is too much "kill a nigga" rap out
there right now, on both coasts. You can say that Mobb Deep's violent
lyrics are metaphorical. I'm sure Tupac would offer the same defense
(although I don't know how he'd word it). My point is, will you ever hear
Mobb Deep rapping FOR A WHOLE ALBUM about anything outside of street
crime? Never. Why? Because talking about street crime sells albums,
period. If Prodigy gets too metaphorical, he will lose a large part of his
audience, who only want to hear about the same shoot-em-up, armed robbery
type of story raps that got him his gold album in the first place. Peep
Mobb Deep's lyrics on the "Microphone Masters" remix. While Das talks
about skills, Havok talks about killing people. Will Mobb Deep ever make a
"skills" track, a song about dissing wack MCs or a braggadocious track
saying how dope they are? Nope. They rap about crime. Straight up and
down. Check the song topics covered in "The Infamous". "Shook Ones Pt
II": about rappers who pose hard but would be killeSurvival of the
Fittest": about how weak people will be killed on the streets of Queens.
"Eye For an Eye": about how those who attack people from Queens will be
killed. Do you see a pattern forming here? Kill, kill, kill. "Drink Away
the Pain" is a welcome break from the mayhem, but it serves as an
endorsement for alcoholism. Now, what do gangsta rappers talk about? "Come
to Compton and you'll be killed. Weak "niggas" get killed if they fuck
with people from Compton. Drink a 40 oz". If you change the word "Compton"
to "Queens" in any MC Eiht album, his lyrics would sound just like Mobb
Deep's. The point is, all of them are advocating violent resolution to any
problem they face. This is the attitude that has our prisons overflowing.
This is why so many young men find their resting places on bloodsoaked
streets from coast to coast. Is it too much to ask for lyrics that
enlighten the mind and the spirit? I feel that, if anything, that is what
"true hip-hop" is: positive energy. Of course, this is all my humble
opinion. Anyone is welcome to dissent. Peace unto you all...
Salaam (Peace),
ACP
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Jesse Ducker
Come on, how man y artist in the Rap game aren't really in it for
the money? Personally, I'd say 90%, give or take. And Bad Boy is in
it for the cash just as much as Death Row. Look at the beat for
every remix or song that Puff Daddy, Trackmasterz, and Chucky
Thompson has done since late '94. They take on already established
beat from a succesful Hip-Hop jam or a 70's-80's R & B song, loop up
a bar or too, and release it for the consumer's buying pleasure.
Biggie said it himself on Rap City a while back. He wanted to put
out "Machine Gun Funk" as the first single, but Puff Daddy told him
"Juicy," arguably one of the worst and most commercial jams on that
album, would be a better sales move. And low and behold, the single
went platinum. And it was because he was dropping dope lyrics, it
was because the beat was nice and catchy.
Now in '96, everyone operates this way. I've been told, though I
haven't actually heard it, that the beat for Nas' "If I Ruled the
World" is no different from anything Biggie has ever released as
single. Furthermore, all the so-called "real MC's." went out and got
soda and shoe commercials. Whatever happened to "No Sell Out."
Arethese MC's doomed to fall as well.
Finally, concerning the fact the KRS rocks shows over a DAT just
shows how pathetic shit is today. Even someone he claims to be the
"God of Hip-Hop" doesn't use a DJ at his shows. Basically, to use a
cliche, if you aint part of the solution you're part of the problem.
"Rapper are 10%, 90% invented for the fucking record deal"- The
Roots
R-D
Jesse Ducker wrote:
> Finally, concerning the fact the KRS rocks shows over a DAT just shows
>how pathetic shit is today. Even someone he claims to be the
> "God of Hip-Hop" doesn't use a DJ at his shows. Basically, to use a
> cliche, if you aint part of the solution you're part of the problem.
>
Look people, I was just saying that because an artist does one show
without a dj does not mean that she/he gets their props taken away. By
the way I said show not showS plural. People be real, shit happens how
do we know his dj wasn't in the hospital or getting married or some shit
and KRS couldn't find a dj at the last minute. The show must go on. By
the way, he ripped the damn show in half so how pathetic is that?
I could see if the god of hip-hop (and he is. This can be said without
dick riding) was doing every show with a dat. It was one damn show
(that I know of). Now if he started doing this repeatedly then I would
have problems with him too, but such is not the case.
peace out
R-D
(is the title Death Row indicative of where that whole genre of music is
right now?) :-)
Everything is cyclical and you reap what you so. Thank God, maybe now
we can get some real hip-hop.
Steve Jackson
Jesse Ducker (73771...@CompuServe.COM) wrote:
: Come on, how man y artist in the Rap game aren't really in it for
: it for the cash just as much as Death Row. Look at the beat for
: every remix or song that Puff Daddy, Trackmasterz, and Chucky
: Thompson has done since late '94. They take on already established
: beat from a succesful Hip-Hop jam or a 70's-80's R & B song, loop up
: a bar or too, and release it for the consumer's buying pleasure.
Hmmmm.... that's been going on for years, tho'. I think we've all become
quite used to it now. And everyone is guilty-- check LOTUG's "Keep the
Faith" and KD's... damn I forgot the name, but it uses the same
sample/loop/whole freakin' song by Deniese Williams.
: Biggie said it himself on Rap City a while back. He wanted to put
: out "Machine Gun Funk" as the first single, but Puff Daddy told him
: "Juicy," arguably one of the worst and most commercial jams on that
: album, would be a better sales move. And low and behold, the single
: went platinum. And it was because he was dropping dope lyrics, it
: was because the beat was nice and catchy.
True
: Now in '96, everyone operates this way. I've been told, though I
: haven't actually heard it, that the beat for Nas' "If I Ruled the
: World" is no different from anything Biggie has ever released as
: single.
Hmmm... okay, i've only heard the Nas track once ("If I Ruled
the World"), but I do remember the sample he used is very, very
famous but I can't remember how it goes or where it's from.
It's definitely a 70s or 80s tune, tho'. If you're talking in
those terms, then yeah, the track is basically the smae.
:Furthermore, all the so-called "real MC's." went out and got
: soda and shoe commercials. Whatever happened to "No Sell Out."
: Arethese MC's doomed to fall as well.
Depends on how you term "Real" and "sell-out." If "sell-out" is termed
as doing commericals, then many, many, MANY artists are "sell-outs."
If it is termed as just straight switchin' to something like
pop/r&b/rock/country/whatever than the # is much smaller.
: Finally, concerning the fact the KRS rocks shows over a DAT just
: shows how pathetic shit is today. Even someone he claims to be the
: "God of Hip-Hop" doesn't use a DJ at his shows. Basically, to use a
: cliche, if you aint part of the solution you're part of the problem.
: "Rapper are 10%, 90% invented for the fucking record deal"- The
: Roots
Ahhh well...
--
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backyard...... I was an only child........ eventually....."
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Grabtech
In article <31ACF7...@acpub.duke.edu>, R-D <rdo...@acpub.duke.edu> wrote:
>Samir Chawla wrote:
>>
[Lots of info deleted]
>the list goes on and on. The east is realizing what must be done,
>hip-hop is getting back to when it was fun and everyone was down. We are
>finally, slowly but surely witnessing the fall of gangsta rap as we know
>it, not knew it (Just ice) It's been a long time coming but thank God
>it's finally approaching. wheeeww. I thought it would never get here.
>There is a lot more science that could be added to this observation, but
>other heads can add on if they'd like.
>
>So, keep it up Tupac, keep signing your death Certificate, follow Ice
>cube and watch your sales fall off as well for dissing the east. This
>is a great day, and perhaps you have been chosen to bring about the next
>era/level of hip-hop, though you won't be able to participate because it
>will require originality, knowledge of self, and freshness. Lo, you
>have made a great deal of money, but keep on smoking and drinking and
>catching charges and your lawyer(s) and your accountant will get all of
>that in the end. You see gangasta rap (today) was and is cancerous in
>nature, it will eat itself from the inside out. Positivity allways wins
>in the end.
>
>Again I thank you and I say peace to the real heads.
>
>R-D
>(no need to flame, the truth is the truth)
>
>P-ositive E-nergy A-lways C-orrects E-rrors
Humm... you seemed to be focused on the "EAST" perpetuatuing the same
nonsene dospacketa and his cronies are... I guess the east is the only place
ture hiphop can exist... I must be stupid...
--G0w3