DEFEND or BASH styles of Hip-Hop songs
Kuahmel Allah
"Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh team up to make Conservative Rap".
"Neptunes will produce the majority of the album, also featuring Clarence
Thomas on the mic."
We all got our little preferences. We all got our styles we hate. From Josh
to OverTIME to Natty to Noixe, we bump what we like.
That being said, it's time to REEEEEALLY talk about it...
The only rule:
-STATE! YOUR!! POSITION!!! Give me a DEFEND, a BASH, or play the fence.
I'll leave it open to name off a style I might have missed....
Here we go
DEFEND or BASH the following styles of Hip-Hop music:
funky
turntablist
gangster
mob
boom bap
jiggyness
nerd rap
booty music
crunk songs
soulful
jazz rap
--Kuahmel Allah, Los Angeles
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bozak
"Kuahmel Allah" <blackn...@aol.compostheap> wrote in message
news:20030919094125...@mb-m01.aol.com...
> "Folks, it's Friday, time for DEFEND or BASH"
>
> "Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh team up to make Conservative Rap".
>
> "Neptunes will produce the majority of the album, also featuring Clarence
> Thomas on the mic."
>
> We all got our little preferences. We all got our styles we hate. From Josh
> to OverTIME to Natty to Noixe, we bump what we like.
>
> That being said, it's time to REEEEEALLY talk about it...
>
> The only rule:
> -STATE! YOUR!! POSITION!!! Give me a DEFEND, a BASH, or play the fence.
>
> I'll leave it open to name off a style I might have missed....
>
> Here we go
>
> DEFEND or BASH the following styles of Hip-Hop music:
> funky
> turntablist
> gangster
> mob
> boom bap
> jiggyness
> nerd rap
> booty music
> crunk songs
> soulful
> jazz rap
i like it all if its done well...
DMD
well, except crunk songs
My dope is two toned
but I had to change my spot cause it turned into a drug free school zone-'Kiss
bozak
"DMD" <painin...@aol.comKeepAway> wrote in message
news:20030919140244...@mb-m06.aol.com...
> defend all
>
> well, except crunk songs
like a pimp remix (david banner) with twista and busta be bangin...
as krunk as you wanna be...
Noixe, the other Adrock
> Thomas on the mic."
you know clarence will spit some pimp shit.
> We all got our little preferences. We all got our styles we hate. From Josh
> to OverTIME to Natty to Noixe, we bump what we like.
the shout is appreciated.
> DEFEND or BASH the following styles of Hip-Hop music:
> funky
I see this from two points of view. on one hand, I really like alot
of old old old school ish that's basically late disco/early 80's with
rapping over it. "The Breaks" and "King Tim" both work much better if
you think of em as disco/funk instead of rap. but on the flip, beats
that try to sound like they're a band from the early 80's rarely work.
I really luh me some DJ Quik, but sometimes it's too cheesy for me.
> turntablist
only the diamonds in the rough. A-Trak's "Enter Ralph Wiggum" is
tight. but most of it is just wanky as hell. I'm not down with DJ
Disk.
btw has anyone heard about this german group that makes electronica
typed ish by using the turntable as an instrument, but no records?
they rub the needle with glass, play the tone arm with a rubber
band...it's a dope idea. Natty?
> gangster
I'm really sick of cats just talking shit about crime. or if you're
gonna do it, make it sound interesting. word to 40 water.
> mob
I dig it usually, but sometimes it's on some really dumb shit. I mean
how many squiggly ass synths do you need? "Sideways" is like the
perfect mob jam though...just enough weird synth sounds to get
through. and hard ass fucking drums.
Mannie Fresh should pay the bay area a fat sum for laying out the
blueprint for NOLA bounce drum shit.
> boom bap
still the king. I don't care what the fuck it is, if something with
"get out my life woman" or most other played out hard loops drops in a
club, I'm gonna get rowdy.
> jiggyness
better jiggyness than dumb ass thug shit. er, that is, I'd rather
listen to Jigga than Dipset.
> nerd rap
nerd rap has a much better dope to shit ratio than turntablism. for
every El-P track that makes me want to smack him, there's one that
makes me want to go ride the train around brooklyn. or ride the bus
around pittsburgh. and think. and appreciate shit. it's very
emotional for me, but I'm obviously his target audience...hip-hop fan
in my early 20's.
> booty music
dope in small doses. and it gets you laid.
> crunk songs
really dope. lyrics aside, Lil Jon is yet to dissapoint. I like
beats you get rowdy to, not shit you dance to. I don't dance, I'd
rather throw my hand in the air and nod my head real hard.
> soulful
> jazz rap
both have their moments, and god knows every other dope loop is a jazz
sample, but too often it either sounds like "soft jazz" (ala
Yellowjackets) or it's just really boring.
Noixe, the other Adrock
> jazz rap
oh yeah, fuck Soulive. they sound like Dave Matthews Band.
bozak
"Noixe, the other Adrock" <noi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:123d389.03091...@posting.google.com...
> > soulful
> > jazz rap
>
> oh yeah, fuck Soulive. they sound like Dave Matthews Band.
you cant front on that track "joe sample"...
shit is mad nice...
quest19...@webtv.net
<<DEFEND or BASH the following styles of Hip-Hop music>>
<<funky>>
defend
<<turntablist>>
DJ Qbert is GOD! Defend
<<gangster>>
Bash ALL save for NWA circa 1988
<<mob>>
Bash
<<boom bap>>
defend
<<jiggyness>>
Bash hard. That "shiny suit" stuff is trash
<<nerd rap>>
You obviously mean "conscious" which, to me is what Hip Hop was prior to
1993. Defend
<<booty music>>
Defend. Good at gentleman's clubs and I'm from Mississippi
<<crunk songs>>
Bash ALL save for "I Don't Give A Funk" by Lil Jon & The Eastside Boys.
I'm from the South and can't get with most of that.
<<soulful>>
defend
<<jazz rap>>
Guru pulled this off quite well. It's a good fusion. Defend
PEACE!
bse
Thats just personal. You're not realy gonna try and defend the stance
that they are the only good gangster rap and are somehow different are
you?
> <<nerd rap>>
>
> You obviously mean "conscious" which, to me is what Hip Hop was prior to
> 1993. Defend
You jumped to that one a bit didn't you? Why would NERD RAP mean
conscious? Surely it means like rap by nerds for nerds like Anticon and
Mr Lif(hahah) rather than conscious.
> <<jazz rap>>
>
> Guru pulled this off quite well. It's a good fusion. Defend
Whats jazzya bout Guru's raps? yeah hes rapped over jazzy beats but what
is jazzy about his rhymes? Id imagine jazz rap would be like Saul
Williams and Ace or something, someone that sounds more like rap mixed
with jazz vocals or skat type stuff. no?
BSE
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mattmatical
Adrock) wrote:
>> crunk songs
>
>really dope. lyrics aside, Lil Jon is yet to dissapoint. I like
>beats you get rowdy to, not shit you dance to. I don't dance, I'd
>rather throw my hand in the air and nod my head real hard.
Have you ever tried heavy metal? ;)
Matt
"Cause when it's sink or swim
you got to think to win" (Ice Cube)
mattmatical
Allah) wrote:
>DEFEND or BASH the following styles of Hip-Hop music:
>funky
DEFEND. While I have a hard time recognizing a
certain style of hip-hop that you would call funky, I
gotta defend funk as one of the basic elements that
has been part of hip-hop for many years. Even today,
in these funk-deprived times it's the funk that attracts
me to the few tracks that still have it in them.
If it's even remotely funky, I'm 50% satisfied.
>turntablist
BASH. Due to me not knowing what the hell is going
on on these turntables, the lack of lyrics and the
tendency to forsake the musical in favor of the
technical, I rarely get excited. It looks different
when there is some sort of theme created by
vocal bits. But just frantic cuttin' and scratchin'
doesn't do it for me.
>gangster
DEFEND. Responsible for some of the most intense
as well as some of the most annoying moments I
experienced through rap. I love to hear the story how
the thugs live and worry. But only if the story's well told.
>mob
DEFEND. There's probably a lot of shit out there calling
itself mob that I would never recognize as such, music
that downright sucks. But if it's done well, mob takes
funk hip-hop style to another level.
>boom bap
DEFEND. I don't even know when boom bap started,
but it certainly comes the closest to my own experience
of 'what hip-hop is'. Of course boom bap is also funk,
just more on the drum/bass level. I prefer my boom bap
loud, at some pitch-dark, smoky venue.
>jiggyness
BASH. Jiggyness is like 0.001% of all hip-hop output.
Who's jiggy? Mase and Puffy. Some Jay-Z songs.
I don't see much more jiggyness. Therefore it really
has no relevance.
>nerd rap
DEFEND. Assuming this describes them Anticon
guys and whoever gets praise at HipHopInfinity,
I like it for bringing in a new perspective. That's it.
Could bring forth some great hip-hop. Maybe already
has, I just haven't heard it.
>booty music
Is this the same as bass music? I would defend
bass music, but I have a hard time defending
something called booty music.
>crunk songs
DEFEND. I like it, it helps me getting crunk. At
least I assume that's what I'm doing as I have
no idea what getting crunk means. Nah seriously,
I've never even seen people dance to this at a
club, but just listening the energy's unbelievable.
>soulful
Who would that be?
>jazz rap
Who would that be?
Kuahmel Allah
You obviously mean "conscious"<<<
Nope, two different things....
mochaspresso
Allah) wrote:
>
>DEFEND or BASH the following styles of Hip-Hop music:
>funky
I'm not sure what you mean by funky. I'm thinking that it means songs
that contain funk samples.....which would actually mean a huge portion
of hip-hop music. Therefore, defend.
>turntablist
defend. It's a talent that needs to be recognized more than it is.
>gangster
defend. Everyone has a voice and has something to say. I only bash
when it's senseless and gratuitous or when folks think that's the only
way. The kind of folks that liked "Holla Holla" then turned around
and called Ja Rule soft and fake because he made "Put It On Me" and
"Mesmerize"
>mob
What's mob exactly? Stuff like Goodie Mob and Mob Deep and MOP? If
so, defend.
>boom bap
Defend
>jiggyness
Defend. I got love for the ballers. :o)
>nerd rap
bash. I like melody and rhythym in music and I prefer rappers who act
like they can hear the beat.
They have a voice and should be heard......I just think that they need
to realize that they are not necessarily as cerebral as they often
think they are. In essense, I think their groupies have them gassed.
Some of those cats really do suck as rappers.
>booty music
>crunk songs
I tend to lump these together. Defend. Ass shake is healthy for the
mind as well as the body.
>soulful
defend. btw, there's nothing wrong w/ okayplayer. It's only drawback
is that it's a web-based board and I can never be bothered to lookup
my sign-in to post there. It's also too much of a pain in the ass to
check follow-ups after a certain period of time has passed
>jazz rap
Do you mean stuff like Digible Planets or spoken word artists who
perform w/ jazz/hip-hop inspired backgrounds? Either way, defend.
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Mochaspresso
Subliminal
><<nerd rap>>
>
>You obviously mean "conscious" which, to me is what Hip Hop was prior to
>1993. Defend
man thats not nerd rap, Company Flow, Anticon, Mr Lif, Paul Barman, thats nerd
rap
Subliminal
2 Pete
There's only 2 types of hip-hop to me: good and shite.
---Pete---
2 Pete
> >nerd rap
>
> bash. I like melody and rhythym in music and I prefer rappers who act
> like they can hear the beat.
Beautiful.
---Pete---
Noixe, the other Adrock
> BASH. Jiggyness is like 0.001% of all hip-hop output.
> Who's jiggy? Mase and Puffy. Some Jay-Z songs.
> I don't see much more jiggyness. Therefore it really
> has no relevance.
nah there's alot of it. it's about 75% of the "underground" crap that
doesn't make it because it's butt.
quest19...@webtv.net
<<Thats just personal. You're not realy gonna try and defend the stance
that they are the only good gangster rap and are somehow different are
you?>>
No sir, that's just historical. I'm coming from the angle that, to me,
they pretty much made it mainstream to be "gangsta"...whatever that may
mean. From this one group, you have a whole trough of gangsta
rappers/groups. They, like you and I, can pay homage to this fact. Like
Eminem said, "just study of tape of NWA".
<<You jumped to that one a bit didn't you? Why would NERD RAP mean
conscious? Surely it means like rap by nerds for nerds like Anticon and
Mr Lif(hahah) rather than conscious>>
Again, that's where the labeling thing has jacked everyone's perspective
up. I asked last year, what "underground" meant. Essentially, anything
that came out during the "golden age" would most like be billed either
"underground", "backpacker", or "conscious" today. These labels are also
synonymous with "nerd rap". Anticon and Mr. Lif most likely are labeled
any/all of what I've just said here.
<<Whats jazzy about Guru's raps? yeah hes rapped over jazzy beats but
what is jazzy about his rhymes? Id imagine jazz rap would be like Saul
Williams and Ace or something, someone that sounds more like rap mixed
with jazz vocals or skat type stuff. no?>>
He helped popularize it with his Jazzamatazz series. Not his "raps", per
se. Digable Planets would be a choice as well as Greg Osby, J. Spencer,
and a host of others. I thought you knew where I was going with this
example...didn't mean to go over your head.
PEACE!
quest19...@webtv.net
<<man thats not nerd rap, Company Flow, Anticon, Mr Lif, Paul Barman,
thats nerd rap>>
Yes sir, it is. In today's environment, anything that ISN'T "thugged
out", "pimp", or "mainstream" is labeled as such. I recently read an
article where even Irving Lorenzo is using the term "backpack rap", as
if it's something that's a bad thing. Which in essense, would be
material that came out in the time frame I gave. The artist you mention
here would definitely fit nicely with that term. To say "underground" is
to say "nerd", "conscious" or even "preachy".
PEACE!
quest19...@webtv.net
<<Nope, two different things....>>
And they are? "Underground", "nerd rap", "backpacker", and "conscious"
are all part and parcel of anything that isn't "mainstream". And because
nerds are stereotyped as "brainy", that type of Hip Hop style can be
looked upon as being too "preachy".
PEACE!
quest19...@webtv.net
<<defend. Everyone has a voice and has something to say. I only bash
when it's senseless and gratuitous or when folks think that's the only
way. The kind of folks that liked "Holla Holla" then turned around and
called Ja Rule soft and fake because he made "Put It On Me" and
"Mesmerize">>
100% agreed with this line of thinking. It sums up how fickle, overall,
Hip Hop fans can be. The SOURCE just had a scathing article about 50
Cent along these same lines. I wouldn't be surprised if this same fate
befalls him as well....after all, what's the difference between "Put It
On Me" and "21 Questions" save for the rappers themselves?
PEACE!
bse
quest19...@webtv.net wrote:
> BSE rants:
> <<Thats just personal. You're not realy gonna try and defend the stance
> that they are the only good gangster rap and are somehow different are
> you?>>
>
> No sir, that's just historical. I'm coming from the angle that, to me,
> they pretty much made it mainstream to be "gangsta"...whatever that may
> mean. From this one group, you have a whole trough of gangsta
> rappers/groups. They, like you and I, can pay homage to this fact. Like
> Eminem said, "just study of tape of NWA".
Okay but you'd realy bash ALL THE REST?
> <<You jumped to that one a bit didn't you? Why would NERD RAP mean
> conscious? Surely it means like rap by nerds for nerds like Anticon and
> Mr Lif(hahah) rather than conscious>>
>
> Again, that's where the labeling thing has jacked everyone's perspective
> up. I asked last year, what "underground" meant. Essentially, anything
> that came out during the "golden age" would most like be billed either
> "underground", "backpacker", or "conscious" today. These labels are also
> synonymous with "nerd rap". Anticon and Mr. Lif most likely are labeled
> any/all of what I've just said here.
You're backing your favourites into a corner though. Half the stuff that
came out in "the golden age" was just great party music. Thats a fact
regardless which colour tint your spectacles have. You like being the
marginalised, hard done by music fan so you'll actively attache negative
terms to your own favourite music as you did above.
> <<Whats jazzy about Guru's raps? yeah hes rapped over jazzy beats but
> what is jazzy about his rhymes? Id imagine jazz rap would be like Saul
> Williams and Ace or something, someone that sounds more like rap mixed
> with jazz vocals or skat type stuff. no?>>
>
> He helped popularize it with his Jazzamatazz series. Not his "raps", per
> se. Digable Planets would be a choice as well as Greg Osby, J. Spencer,
> and a host of others. I thought you knew where I was going with this
> example...didn't mean to go over your head.
;)
You werent over my head Quest, dont worry.
Theres a big distinction though between rapping over jazzy music (the
artists you mention above) and those who's rap style is very jazz
influenced. Right?
TJ Xenos
>We all got our little preferences. We all got our styles we hate. From Josh
>to OverTIME to Natty to Noixe, we bump what we like.
>
>That being said, it's time to REEEEEALLY talk about it...
>
>The only rule:
>-STATE! YOUR!! POSITION!!! Give me a DEFEND, a BASH, or play the fence.
>
>I'll leave it open to name off a style I might have missed....
>
>Here we go
>
>DEFEND or BASH the following styles of Hip-Hop music:
>funky
>turntablist
>gangster
>mob
>boom bap
>jiggyness
>nerd rap
>booty music
>crunk songs
>soulful
>jazz rap
wheres the thug rap and the bugged out white guys who smoke too much wet
categories?
T.J. Xenos
"English? Who needs that? I'm never going to England. Let's go smoke." -
Homer Simpson
"great music is better than average sex" - Merle Haggard
quest19...@webtv.net
<<Okay but you'd realy bash ALL THE REST?>>
Here's the deal. You almost have to....aren't they all kicking the same
cornball war stories, only to get in interviews defending that position
by saying "yo, these are my experiences"? When NWA came out, they were
so shockingly real that it almost renders future artists as clones.
Lastly, most of the stuff that's out now just isn't good----even for
gangsta rap.
<<You're backing your favourites into a corner though. Half the stuff
that came out in "the golden age" was just great party music. Thats a
fact regardless which colour tint your spectacles have. You like being
the marginalised, hard done by music fan so you'll actively attache
negative terms to your own favourite music as you did above.>>
Not really. Most of the stuff that came out in the mid to late 1980s was
highly political...set to banging beats. Gangsta rap, at that time, was
on the fringe. Dare I say that Hip Hop of the early half of the '80s was
more on a party/fun tip. But without question, during the "golden age",
there was more of a balance as opposed to now. I'm not on an island, but
anyone coming of age at that time can now see how the culture has
declined artistically. And actually, your last statement here is false.
I don't attach terms to Hip Hop music, to me, there's good and wack. And
today, the latter is prevalent and ubiquitious. The magazines and TV do
the labeling, and many folks take that as gospel.
<<You werent over my head Quest, dont worry. Theres a big distinction
though between rapping over jazzy music (the artists you mention above)
and those who's rap style is very jazz influenced. Right?>>
Good. I imagine there's a distinction, although it would be hard to
separate the two because a "rap style" sounds more like an "inflection"
in voice tone don't you think?
PEACE!
bse
quest19...@webtv.net wrote:
> BSE says:
> <<Okay but you'd realy bash ALL THE REST?>>
>
> Here's the deal. You almost have to....aren't they all kicking the same
> cornball war stories, only to get in interviews defending that position
> by saying "yo, these are my experiences"? When NWA came out, they were
> so shockingly real that it almost renders future artists as clones.
> Lastly, most of the stuff that's out now just isn't good----even for
> gangsta rap.
I would say that the Geto Boys did a very different angle to NWA and
should be considered just as shocking.
> <<You're backing your favourites into a corner though. Half the stuff
> that came out in "the golden age" was just great party music. Thats a
> fact regardless which colour tint your spectacles have. You like being
> the marginalised, hard done by music fan so you'll actively attache
> negative terms to your own favourite music as you did above.>>
>
> Not really. Most of the stuff that came out in the mid to late 1980s was
> highly political...set to banging beats. Gangsta rap, at that time, was
> on the fringe. Dare I say that Hip Hop of the early half of the '80s was
> more on a party/fun tip. But without question, during the "golden age",
> there was more of a balance as opposed to now.
Well I don't even know if this is true. Nothing in teh golden age was as
big as the major hiphop artists are now, so you could say the flossy
gangster platinum selling artists are not occupying teh space that Rakim
and co were, rather they are occupying a NEW space in teh pop world
while hihoppers in teh style of rakim and co are still selling under
100,000 units like they used to. Possible?
> I'm not on an island, but
> anyone coming of age at that time can now see how the culture has
> declined artistically. And actually, your last statement here is false.
> I don't attach terms to Hip Hop music, to me, there's good and wack. And
> today, the latter is prevalent and ubiquitious. The magazines and TV do
> the labeling, and many folks take that as gospel.
Kind of but your good/bad distinction is often seemingly based on tags
or labels rather than wether the music is good/bad ie: "This jiggy shit
is wack" or "bash all the g rap" you know?
> <<You werent over my head Quest, dont worry. Theres a big distinction
> though between rapping over jazzy music (the artists you mention above)
> and those who's rap style is very jazz influenced. Right?>>
>
> Good. I imagine there's a distinction, although it would be hard to
> separate the two because a "rap style" sounds more like an "inflection"
> in voice tone don't you think?
I guess so. Fair dos.
Subliminal
>categories?
cage?
PS wet is fucked up.
Subliminal
TJ Xenos
>>wheres the thug rap and the bugged out white guys who smoke too much wet
>>categories?
>
>cage?
It was the quickest and most humorous way to sum up eastern
conference/psycho+logical
quest19...@webtv.net
<<I would say that the Geto Boys did a very different angle to NWA and
should be considered just as shocking.>>
Fair point, but surely you don't compare the overall influential power
NWA harnessed over the mainstream and the culture in general with the
Geto Boys? Ice-T, Tim Dog, and Schooly D.(who's really under-rated
relative for kicking off the "gangsta" genre) ALL came from "different
angles", but you couldn't in fairness compare their "angles" to NWA.
<<Well I don't even know if this is true. Nothing in teh golden age was
as big as the major hiphop artists are now, so you could say the flossy
gangster platinum selling artists are not occupying teh space that Rakim
and co were, rather they are occupying a NEW space in teh pop world
while hihoppers in teh style of rakim and co are still selling under
100,000 units like they used to. Possible?>>
You can't compare time, demographics, and the juggernaut that is
corporate backing either. If it's true that NOW 50%-65% of ALL Hip Hop
music sold is bought by whites as opposed to the "fad" music done/bought
by minorities in the early 1980s that the Sonys and BMGs said would
never last, you can't compare. But many(self included) would argue that
the music, overall, was more balanced and the term "filler" was never
associated with a tape from an artist. You're right, they aren't
occupying the same space for reasons I illustrated above.
<<Kind of but your good/bad distinction is often seemingly based on tags
or labels rather than wether the music is good/bad ie: "This jiggy shit
is wack" or "bash all the g rap" you know?>>
No. No more than heads saying that "conscious" Hip Hop music is
"preachy" and things of that nature. I base my positions on what the MC
is actually saying and is it something that's attainable by the folks
that are listening..typically, working class heads and students. Most
folks I know DON'T
drive Bentleys or are platinum down or are paying $1300 for a bottle of
cognac or are gunning down ALL the "haters". On the other hand, it is
very workable to have gained a high sense of self, a no-frills
worldview, and respect for our culture through conscious lyrics. These
are things even gangstas have to bow down to. That's not to say "g rap"
is bad in and of itself..it just seems that a LOT of young'uns try to
live out that self-defeating behavior moreso than a self-affirming
lifestyle. That's all I'm saying...
PEACE!
bse
quest19...@webtv.net wrote:
> BSE says:
> <<I would say that the Geto Boys did a very different angle to NWA and
> should be considered just as shocking.>>
>
> Fair point, but surely you don't compare the overall influential power
> NWA harnessed over the mainstream and the culture in general with the
> Geto Boys? Ice-T, Tim Dog, and Schooly D.(who's really under-rated
> relative for kicking off the "gangsta" genre) ALL came from "different
> angles", but you couldn't in fairness compare their "angles" to NWA.
Absolutely, but only when you list them too. See, you don't realy bash
all the rest. You perp you.
> <<Well I don't even know if this is true. Nothing in teh golden age was
> as big as the major hiphop artists are now, so you could say the flossy
> gangster platinum selling artists are not occupying teh space that Rakim
> and co were, rather they are occupying a NEW space in teh pop world
> while hihoppers in teh style of rakim and co are still selling under
> 100,000 units like they used to. Possible?>>
>
> You can't compare time, demographics, and the juggernaut that is
> corporate backing either. If it's true that NOW 50%-65% of ALL Hip Hop
> music sold is bought by whites as opposed to the "fad" music done/bought
> by minorities in the early 1980s that the Sonys and BMGs said would
> never last, you can't compare. But many(self included) would argue that
> the music, overall, was more balanced and the term "filler" was never
> associated with a tape from an artist. You're right, they aren't
> occupying the same space for reasons I illustrated above.
I have albums here like Jesse West's Motown album, a Kid n Play album, a
Kwame album, a Together Brothers album, that all have a ton of filler on
and are from teh "golden age" and there are plenty I leave in teh record
shops.
> <<Kind of but your good/bad distinction is often seemingly based on tags
> or labels rather than wether the music is good/bad ie: "This jiggy shit
> is wack" or "bash all the g rap" you know?>>
>
> No. No more than heads saying that "conscious" Hip Hop music is
> "preachy" and things of that nature. I base my positions on what the MC
> is actually saying and is it something that's attainable by the folks
> that are listening..typically, working class heads and students. Most
> folks I know DON'T
> drive Bentleys or are platinum down or are paying $1300 for a bottle of
> cognac or are gunning down ALL the "haters". On the other hand, it is
> very workable to have gained a high sense of self, a no-frills
> worldview, and respect for our culture through conscious lyrics. These
> are things even gangstas have to bow down to. That's not to say "g rap"
> is bad in and of itself..it just seems that a LOT of young'uns try to
> live out that self-defeating behavior moreso than a self-affirming
> lifestyle. That's all I'm saying...
Well I love me some conscious rap but it's easier to put people into it
if you can admit that there is good stuff in all types of hiphop and
that the stuff kids are lsitening to has merit. "Your stuff is all bad
you should listen to this" isnt gonna win you converts.
TJ Xenos
>I have albums here like Jesse West's Motown album, a Kid n Play album, a
>Kwame album, a Together Brothers album, that all have a ton of filler on
>and are from teh "golden age" and there are plenty I leave in teh record
>shops.
Not to mention the 2nd Terminator X album, chuck d's solo, and a bout half of
Apocalypse 91, and most of the original tracks on greatest misses. However,
the shit gets filtered out of the perception as time passes because it isnt
worth mentioning...
quest19...@webtv.net
<<Absolutely, but only when you list them too. See, you don't realy bash
all the rest. You perp you.>>
Point made. But I hope you understood I was bashing the rest only where
influence was relevent. Admittedly, like crunk, I'm not a fan of g rap
at all. In my view, NWA had a patent on it and all others simply copied
that.
<<I have albums here like Jesse West's Motown album, a Kid n Play album,
a Kwame album, a Together Brothers album, that all have a ton of filler
on and are from teh "golden age" and there are plenty I leave in teh
record shops.>>
I'll take Kid-n-Play's filler over Eve's and Baby's any day.
<<Well I love me some conscious rap but it's easier to put people into
it if you can admit that there is good stuff in all types of hiphop and
that the stuff kids are lsitening to has merit. "Your stuff is all bad
you should listen to this" isnt gonna win you converts.>>
No, it shouldn't have to be that way. Hip Hop music is Hip Hop music. I
simply said that you have good and wack artists who make good and wack
music. To me, Akrobatik and Jedi Mind Tricks are dope while D-12 and 50
Cent leave much to be desired. A careful listening to all has cemented
as much....to me. I simply state my position in this forum with little
regard for whom my position "converts". We're here simply to state how
we feel about the culture that we love---naturally, we're going to
disagree. But I don't believe in going with a consensus either if I feel
different or the consensus' view is way off the track.
PEACE!
Steve S. Jackson
Nah. You cannot remotely consider Company Flow conscious or even
good. Anticon? I have to disagree immensely. That's like putting
Chuck D in the same book with these cats and I know you're not doing
that... are you??????
quest19...@webtv.net
<<Nah. You cannot remotely consider Company Flow conscious or even good.
Anticon? I have to disagree immensely. That's like putting Chuck D in
the same book with these cats and I know you're not doing that... are
you?>>
You only used one of the labels that I had in my post. Company Flow is
definitely considered "underground" if nothing else. I remember where
you were saying that you had to either hear or grip a CD from that group
to quell the curiosity built up by heads in this group that constantly
touted them. I was right with you there. Are they good? Well, I liked
"End To End Burners"(The Avenue always played that video) and Deep Space
9MM. Other than that, I couldn't tell you where the hype came from.
Anticon, I just know of them being the Hip Hopper that I am. And no, I
wasn't comparing their music to Chuck D's., I was simply saying that ALL
those artists are linked in that they don't get much burn in the
"mainstream". That being the case, a lot of heads would at least call
some "underground" or "conscious"---depending on the subject matter.
PEACE!
Kuahmel Allah
I must DEFEND this.....because hey, the funk is what gets the trucks beatin'
and the booties shakin'. Ask Digital Underground, Dre, Jay Dee, and
Outkast....
turntablist
Not Black enough for me (yeah, I said it) and DJs belong making mixtapes or
being an MC's partner IMO....for those keeping score, that's a BASH. If I want
a DMC battle, I'll go to one, not buy the recording of it. The DJ might have
died off of records for the reason of these boring, unlistenable types of cuts
existing.
gangster
I don't know....it's made for great records, but I hate how it's become what
non Hip-Hop savvy media brand rappers out of not liking them, and I HATE that
folks are convinced that West Coast rap should have a gangster theme....
mob
Can't really speak on it.....there's a dope record here and there, but it's
basically a Bay thing to me...plus I think a lot of mob really wants to be
funk...
boom bap
No matter how the bohos, backpackers, thug kids, R&B poppy types, and jiggy
clubsters try to bombard us with their crap, this is REAL HIP-HOP right here
(hell yeah!)...nothing like getting everyone jumpin' and heads noddin' with
go-nuts type material like this. I'll always DEFEND boom-bap because the
boom-bap was always the liveliest material.
jiggyness
Arguably the most metrosexual (if not GAY) form of Hip-Hop out there....too
tinny and gleamy sounding, and it wants to be pop like no other....so that ends
up being a BASH also....unfortunately the ladies like whatever they think was
made for them....funny thing is, next week, they won't feel like it was made
for them, they'll just say it was played out. Jiggy rap has the highest
turnover rate of all styles....
nerd rap
G-G-G...G-G-G-GIMME a bat so I can BASH this muthaf--ka!! The epitome of
backpacker BULLs--t, it's THE place to go when you have no soul, don't like
women, skate, and want your alternative to rock, but don't want to become
Black. This stuff sets THE worst example for white rappers as it's ANTI-boom
bap, ANTI-funk, and ANTI-soul.....
booty music
Ain't the most listenable at home or in the ride, and I ain't tryna to see the
cats that make this stuff perform, but hey you need something to make chicks
shake it. So that's where I stand, right in the middle. Watching, but not
listening.
crunk songs
They're a mood, but it's good whyle-out material. And I'll leave it at that.
Since my mood has been ruined.
soulful
DEFEND it as long as it ain't tryna sound neo-soul, but more like what Diamond
or Pete would do.
jazz rap
As long as it ain't pretentious and trying too hard, I'm cool with it.