IS C. DELORES TUCKER RIGHT?
APage20301
A lot of people speak badly about C.Delores Tucker and, from reading
interviews by her, it's obvious she doesn't know a thing about hip-hop.
But, on a basic level, isn't she right? Aren't there too many rappers out
there talking about guns and "bitches"? I mean, what she says is what
hip-hop heads say all the time behind closed doors - lyrics are getting
too violent, get rid of that gangsta shit, all he does is talk bad about
women, etc. And then you've got the rappers who are against her, let's use
Bushwick Bill as an example. I used to listen to Geto Boys back in the day
and I know Bill has said some raw ass, unnecessary shit. Remember the song
"Assassins"? Bill talks about cutting up a woman "into spaghetti". What
kinda shit is that? That's completely indefensible. Fuck the First
Ammendment, 'cause we were slaves when they wrote it anyway. I'm talking
about moral judgements and accountability. There's no way as an artist
Bushwick could ever justify saying some of the shit he says. On
"Chuckwick", he talks about launching a missle into a school bus. What the
fuck is wrong with this man? Ill lyrics is one thing, some sick ass,
letter home from Jeffrey Dahmer type shit is'all Bushwick Bill fans out
there, post something in defense of this guy. And somebody give me a
reason why C. Delores Tucker is wrong for attacking the labels that
release this bullshit.
Salaam (Peace) [even though war surrounds us]
ACP
Douglas Smith
In article <4p621s$h...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> APage20301 wrote:
>Date: 6 Jun 1996 03:40:44 -0400
>From: apage...@aol.com (APage20301)
>Sender: ro...@newsbf02.news.aol.com
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>Subject: IS C. DELORES TUCKER RIGHT?
Because she uses the very examples you cite as representative of all of
hip-hop. On top of that, she doesn't even bother to listen to the music she
criticizes. She once the said that the Dogg Pound album was complete filth
even though she hadn't heard it. The other problem I have with her is that
by fighting this battle out in public, she is confirming the fears all white
Americans have about hip-hop and strengthening their resolve to do something
about it. I feel like if you're gonna attack music, attack all music, not
just hip-hop. And when you get up on Capitol Hill with Bill Bennett, don't
just talk about gangsta rap and say "this is what hip-hop is all about".
That's wrong and helps to perpetuate all kinds of stereotypes.
To be honest with you, I think she is being used by all these muhfuckas
screaming on the record companies. Funny thing is I don't see these people
mentioning any other controversial shit being put out by record companies or
their subsidiaries. Why wasn't she all up Time-Warner's ass about the shit
they show on HBO? Why did Geffen records think it was the right thing to do
to drop the Geto Boys but not Andrew Dice Clay? I'm not trying to defend
the Geto Boys or any of the rest of them ill groups because some of that shit
is just indefensible. But the Geto Boys are not the only music group putting
out ill shit like that and they certainly aren't totally representative of
hip-hop. She needs to learn that.
KSG
APage20301 wrote:
>
> A lot of people speak badly about C.Delores Tucker and, from reading
> interviews by her, it's obvious she doesn't know a thing about hip-hop.
> But, on a basic level, isn't she right? Aren't there too many rappers out
> there talking about guns and "bitches"?
The answer is at a fundamental level she is right. I think the problem is
where she decides to take it. Not to the community but to the courts. The
state of hip-hop reflects and contributes to a problem in the AfAm community.
To be honest I don't know exactly how to remedy this problem, but I am currently
in the process of trying to put together a solution.
The problem is I got Method Man's album, but I don't support "Tical". Much as
I don't smoke "Chronic" nor have sex with hordes of females, although I did pick
up "Gettin It". I myself, while completely realizing the state of rap, contribute
to the problem by helping these "negative" albums go platinum. For every Roots
or Fugees album I got 10 Death Row or Wu Tang albums.
Some argue that rap reflects the community, but I think all of us headz know that
this is bull. Sure I'm not from Compton (I'm from the North Bay, Cali), but my
worst dayz don't sound close to a Spice 1 song. Blacks in this country know about
the problems we have. The whites listen to these albums and say, "Told you
those negroes are violent!" Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, listens to these albums
and goes, "Wow those blacks in the inner city have it tough. I didn't realize
this..."
Now the worst part is if all the true headz boycotted these rappers, they would
still go platinum, because the people that make Snoop and Spice 1 go platinum are
the middleclass kids who haven't missed a meal due to finances in their life.
Once several years ago I talked to Rick Chase of KMEL when Total Devastation had
that big song, about how come KMEL hardly pumped the Coup or anyone of a bunch of
positive Bay Area crews. He actually wanted to, since he wasn't at all a fan of
the negative stuff that was coming out (I don't think he is a fan of rap in general),
but it appears that the fans demand it. I think its that they don't give the
audience the option. And unfortunately it is now apparent at the record stores.
You can't find positive stuff if you tried... But I can find albums from every
gang from here to Florida.
I can only speak for myself, but I think I will have to give up the hip-hop that
contributes to our destruction. There are MCs with mad skills all around the
globe. I have heard great poets and I know they could drop lyrics that could
really get the brain cells moving. RZA could produce for the Gravediggaz or
could produce for someone real. I may miss listening to Meth or Eiht, but
hopefully something far greater will come out of it... But I think I may
have to ease into this...
KSG
Laze
>The answer is at a fundamental level she is right. I think the problem is
>where she decides to take it. Not to the community but to the courts. The
>state of hip-hop reflects and contributes to a problem in the AfAm community.
>To be honest I don't know exactly how to remedy this problem, but I am
currently
>in the process of trying to put together a solution.
I had the opportunity to interview Ms. Tucker after hearing her speak at my
school this year. It was mad hectic, but if you want to check out the full
audio file, check http://www.mwc.edu/rmacmich/ua.html and go to "Promo Pack".
She had OK ideas as far as the problems of hip-hop and she supports positive
hip-hop, but she did an AWFUL lot of name dropping and was pretty behind the
times with a lot of her references (for God's sake, she brought up BOSS!).
I've also heard some downlow shit about her getting into some big financial
trouble in the 70's...
Anyway... Peace... Laze
rmac...@mwc.edu
Tero Paananen
>The whites listen to these albums and say, "Told you
>those negroes are violent!" Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, listens to these albums
>and goes, "Wow those blacks in the inner city have it tough. I didn't realize
>this..."
With all due respect you're wrong.
The top 40 Dr. Dre Snoop Doggy Dogg loving MTV degenerates might be like that,
but the true hip hop fans will eventually get the message behind the beats
even if they're white.
I have to say that I don't think it is particularly positive to see the rap
music industry being dominated by G-Funk and the Wu-Tang Clan and their
nephews, dogs, sisters, aunts and cousins.
>KSG
-TPP
KSG
Tero Paananen wrote:
>
> In <31B732...@cs.ucsd.edu> KSG <kga...@cs.ucsd.edu> writes:
>
> >The whites listen to these albums and say, "Told you
> >those negroes are violent!" Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, listens to these albums
> >and goes, "Wow those blacks in the inner city have it tough. I didn't realize
> >this..."
>
> With all due respect you're wrong.
>
> The top 40 Dr. Dre Snoop Doggy Dogg loving MTV degenerates might be like that,
> but the true hip hop fans will eventually get the message behind the beats
> even if they're white.
Well I must strongly disagree here. First I have never met a true head that hasn't
understood the plight of inner city youths for many years. That latest Snoop
or Wu Tang Clan hasn't made it any more clear for them. We live in the environment
they speak of. Even the white middle class, who don't listen to rap know that
it is rough in the inner city, just ask your typical white middle class lawyer
or such to take a stroll through Watts... I'm pretty sure they will greet you
with hesitation and they may have never have heard hip-hop in their lives.
The media already does far to good of a job portraying inner city blacks as
evil violent creatures. In America that is a given... the current state of
hip hop does litte to counter it.
The roots of hip-hop aren't violent, but representative. Sure some of the boys
I grew up with are in the pen, but 99% are good people striving and struggling.
Many are raising families, many in college. There are far more issues that
face than just shooting "niggas". We have AffAct, racism, mysoginism(sp), single
family households, the drug problem, education, etc... Notice I am not saying
to not deal with crime and gangs, because it is a big problem, BUT it is not
the only problem. And I strongly question the effectiveness of songs just
talking about how many fools you shoot in the back (notice Spice 1 does a lot
of this).
But I will lastly also like to reiterate that we should fix the problem at home.
It shouldn't be legislated or anything like that. We gotta support the bomb
artists and drop dope albums. Hopefully it'll be that simple (but it won't be).
Stay up,
KSG
Rodney C Brown
No, she is definately not right. You look at movies like Pulp Fiction,
any gangsta movies, etc., there is hella bad language in it. And
really, most stores dont sell albums wit' da infamous PARENTAL ADVISORY
sticker on it, and most people don't go out and kill someone cuz
Wu-Tang or Snoop talks about it in a song. PEACE!...
__________Chris___________________®
Cthulhu
In article <4p621s$h...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, apage...@aol.com (APage20301) wrote:
>A lot of people speak badly about C.Delores Tucker and, from reading
>interviews by her, it's obvious she doesn't know a thing about hip-hop.
>But, on a basic level, isn't she right? Aren't there too many rappers out
>hip-hop heads say all the time behind closed doors - lyrics are getting
>too violent, get rid of that gangsta shit, all he does is talk bad about
>women, etc. And then you've got the rappers who are against her, let's use
>Bushwick Bill as an example. I used to listen to Geto Boys back in the day
>and I know Bill has said some raw ass, unnecessary shit. Remember the song
>"Assassins"? Bill talks about cutting up a woman "into spaghetti". What
>kinda shit is that? That's completely indefensible. Fuck the First
>Ammendment, 'cause we were slaves when they wrote it anyway. I'm talking
>about moral judgements and accountability. There's no way as an artist
>Bushwick could ever justify saying some of the shit he says. On
>"Chuckwick", he talks about launching a missle into a school bus. What the
>fuck is wrong with this man? Ill lyrics is one thing, some sick ass,
>letter home from Jeffrey Dahmer type shit is'all Bushwick Bill fans out
>there, post something in defense of this guy. And somebody give me a
>reason why C. Delores Tucker is wrong for attacking the labels that
>release this bullshit.
That sounds so cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What album was it from?
Well, I've decided what MY next album purchase would be!
Cthulhu
In article <31B732...@cs.ucsd.edu>, KSG <kga...@cs.ucsd.edu> wrote:
>the problems we have. The whites listen to these albums and say, "Told you
>those negroes are violent!" Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, listens to these albums
>and goes, "Wow those blacks in the inner city have it tough. I didn't realize
>this..."
Actually, I do say the latter when I listen to grim stories about street life.
>You can't find positive stuff if you tried...
Ice-T, Coolio and Public Enemy?
perry fect
In article <4pqh2b$n...@orb.direct.ca> you wrote:
:*>In article <4p621s$h...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, apage...@aol.com (APage20301) wrote:
:*>>A lot of people speak badly about C.Delores Tucker and, from reading
:*>>interviews by her, it's obvious she doesn't know a thing about hip-hop.
:*>>But, on a basic level, isn't she right? Aren't there too many rappers out
:*>>there talking about guns and "bitches"? I mean, what she says is what
:*>>hip-hop heads say all the time behind closed doors - lyrics are getting
:*>>too violent, get rid of that gangsta shit, all he does is talk bad about
:*>>women, etc. And then you've got the rappers who are against her, let's use
:*>>Bushwick Bill as an example. I used to listen to Geto Boys back in the day
:*>>and I know Bill has said some raw ass, unnecessary shit. Remember the song
:*>>"Assassins"? Bill talks about cutting up a woman "into spaghetti". What
:*>>kinda shit is that? That's completely indefensible. Fuck the First
:*>>Ammendment, 'cause we were slaves when they wrote it anyway. I'm talking
:*>>about moral judgements and accountability. There's no way as an artist
:*>>Bushwick could ever justify saying some of the shit he says. On
:*>>"Chuckwick", he talks about launching a missle into a school bus. What the
:*>>fuck is wrong with this man? Ill lyrics is one thing, some sick ass,
:*>>letter home from Jeffrey Dahmer type shit is'all Bushwick Bill fans out
:*>>there, post something in defense of this guy. And somebody give me a
:*>>reason why C. Delores Tucker is wrong for attacking the labels that
:*>>release this bullshit.
first of all, it is ridiculous to assume that listening to bushwick bill
is the cause of any of the problems in the black community. the problems
exist. even bushwick bill's lyrics show that there is a problem. the
problem is the lack of respect for women. but bushwick bill didn't cause
it, it's there. censorship is not the answer, promotion of DOPE rapper
with a positive message is. and those rappers have to point out what's
wrong with the message that bushwick bill is sending out. think about
it... who's more likely to give you something to think about? krs-one or
delores tucker?
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Ryan A. MacMichael
> No, she is definately not right. You look at movies like Pulp Fiction,
> any gangsta movies, etc., there is hella bad language in it. And
> really, most stores dont sell albums wit' da infamous PARENTAL ADVISORY
> sticker on it, and most people don't go out and kill someone cuz
> Wu-Tang or Snoop talks about it in a song. PEACE!...
> __________Chris___________________®
Well, one point she made was that she's attacking gangster rap and not
focusing on movies. A lot of people jumped on her for that because the visual
is more powerful than the aural. To that she replied, "You can't carry a TV
on your head."
And I'd say "most stores" carry albums with the Parental Advisory sticker
(Camelot, Sam Goody, Tower, Musicland, et al.), but they're just cautious as
to who they sell it to.
I do agree with you on the the final point, though, no one kills someone
because of a song -- they have an idea in their head beforehand.
.. Laze
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