Anticon and black fans
Peter Agoston
do you think Anticon attracts or de-ttracts black
listeners?
and, how many people do you think attach themselves
to the ideal of Anticon and not the actual music they
make?
holla
peter
DJLilE
I've tried to turn a friend on to their music and he just can't get with it.
He calls it Nerd Rap or some shit. He hates the lyrics, but I know he's really
never tried to peep the lyrics. He does like some of the beats though. The
whole Sole vs El P thing really mad him feel more animosity towards Sole and
the whole Anticon camp. He does not like "white boys" trying to come out
rhyming about some off the wall shit. Not that he's hating on white boys, but
the content of most of their lyrics, again I doubt he really ever payed
attention to them. He also can't stand Dose. He thinks dude is stupid rhyming
the way he does. He loves to call them backpack rappers. From his reaction
I'd have to say that Anticon de-tracts black listeners, but I know a lot of
white and asain kids that don't like Anticon also.
The major of so called Hip Hop fans are going to be checking for non-white
artist, (unless of course it's Eminem) and being the Anticon is pretty much all
white (not 100 percent sure) then most cats ain't gonna be checking for them.
Another thing that is going to turn off the "average hip hop" fan is the beats
and definitely the rhymes. Most can't can't get with that material and damn
sure can't get with the lyrics.
As for the ideal of Anticon vs the actual music. I've known Sole and a few of
the other members of the crew for a while now and I understand where they are
coming from. On one hand I'm all for the ideal of Anticon, but I don't fully
embrace it. The same goes for the music. I love some of the tracks and then
some of them I just can't get with. I don't claim to know all there is to know
about them or hip hop, but I know everybody is entitled to do what they want to
do with their music. It's freedom of expression. If they don't attract black
fans then so be it, I'm sure they not making music to attract any specific
group of people. At least I hope not.
I curious to hear other responses to this one though. Oh yeah Peter what did
you think of the Urb article?
peace...................Nesto
Brent Stanley
Dynamics. It has nothing to do with skin colour like you're all trying to
make it, it's to do with personal interests.
Grouping it as the whole entire black race will not like their shit is just
ignorance.
> Oh yeah Peter what did you think of the Urb article?
well i aint peter....
but I laughed my ass off at the two pictures in there, they're truly on some
other shit.
the article itself provided pretty good coverage to them too, it was nice to
find a magazine featuring anticon in my hick town
-PHaSE.1
(bs...@yourmom.com)
WillHIGH01
>you think of the Urb article?
Well, while I have heard that El-P is not exactly "Mr. Personality", Sole would
certainly seem to be a piece of crap. I mean, aside from the whole El-P thing,
no one seems to remember that he was a wannabe DUN just 3 years ago. Doesn't
anyone remember him when he was with Live Poets perpretrating a goddamn fraud:
"Yo, this is Sole coming to you wif some of dat Brooklyn Flavor, yo!!" Then he
launched into some cheesy ass melanin bereft Lords of the Underground type of
rhyme rife with simple punchlines and cliche'd concepts. He did say some
vaguely artfaggish things, but the whole vibe of this particular track was Dun
Kikkogena. He's no better than any of the contingent he disses regularly.
Besides, he doesn't really rhyme too much, so I have beef with him right there.
Wodie Dun
>would
>certainly seem to be a piece of crap. I mean, aside from the whole El-P
>thing,
>no one seems to remember that he was a wannabe DUN just 3 years ago. Doesn't
>anyone remember him when he was with Live Poets perpretrating a goddamn
>fraud:
>"Yo, this is Sole coming to you wif some of dat Brooklyn Flavor, yo!!" Then
>he
>launched into some cheesy ass melanin bereft Lords of the Underground type of
>rhyme rife with simple punchlines and cliche'd concepts. He did say some
>vaguely artfaggish things, but the whole vibe of this particular track was
>Dun
>Kikkogena. He's no better than any of the contingent he disses regularly.
>Besides, he doesn't really rhyme too much, so I have beef with him right
>there.
>
Why do you dislike duns so much?
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Tony1er
Why do you dislike duns so much?
>>
word...I like some pretty artsy shit but I'll take dun rap over anticon any
day. i don't even like using the word dun to discribe a type of rapper cause
its pigeon holing them. just cause a person is hard doesn't mean they are
stupid. and just cause a person is hard doesn't mean they can't be a dope mc.
later tony
Don Vince
attract to me one bit. That seems like straight white boy backpacker
music to me. Maybe they are over my heads, but I don't care. Especially
Sole and Dose One, they have to be the 2 sorriest excuse for emcees that
i have ever seen before.
WillHIGH01
>
Aren't you just a tad tired of cats saying:
"Mah lyrical glock will blast you if it has to. I can whip your ass too.
Mansion, Maseratti, Gotti with a shotti. Catchin bodies like hotties when it's
"Dime Night" at Limelight. 1, 2. 1, 2. I'm a lyrical Jew. Let me display what
I don't have for you. Rhyde or Die wif mah crew, cause I'm so hott ta deff wif
a punchline....."
Paul Nijmeijer
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LOL...OK I feel the same - get those cats off stage and let me rock the
crowd...
Vadik
natt...@my-deja.com
Anticon" catagory. And guess what? I know some black people who like
Radiohead and Public Image Limited and Minor Threat. I even know some
that like Iron Maiden and Judas Priest. Pretty weird huh?
Stupid Questions Warrant Stupid Answers
(though everything I said was true)
peas,
d
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"Peter Agoston" <pe...@tidepool.com> wrote:
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> do you think Anticon attracts or de-ttracts black
> listeners?
I like the transformers as much as the next man...oh Anticon.
Okay, when we say black listeners, are we saying black people in
general who listen to hip hop? Cause if that's the case, the vast
majority of black people haven't heard of them. In fact I would
venture to say that there is a significant portion of college radio hip
hoppers that don't know anything at all about these cats. (please throw
jedi mind tricks in)
Let's be clear about which black fans we're talking about. It's been
my experience in Austin and Houston, that black hip hop heads that are
into the Redmans and Method Mans, hate on the Jay Z's and big Pokey's.
Then you have another set of folks who really cut for the Legends,
Project Blowed/good life/freestyle fellowship school of thought, and
underground cats like Mr. complex. I don't know any black heads that
are into this new sub genre. In fact the only place i regularly hear
about them is on this Ng. If I bring it up in other spots, a few folks
will comment (davey d, okayplayer), but most are oblivious.
That being said, many of the internet/white boy/backpacker mc's that
I've heard, these cats included, have rejected wanting to get people to
listen to their records. Making things accessible is not even a thought
in their head. The music just stands for what it is, you take it or
leave it. (I think this might be a fundamental shift in how artists
interact with the audience). Further more, it seems as if getting at
least a nod factor is not important at all. I'm not saying the beats
suck, that's an entirely different issue, but the few joints I've heard
have been more for showcasing the rhyme. Much more so than Acey, Ras,
or Saafir. (whom in my opinion do a lot of that) At least with the
living legends(whom we've decided is one of their influences right?)
they do want you to get hype. Perhaps I've only heard the slow,sad,
introspective joints though. Do the make joints that you could bump
through the burbs with? Are there hooks/anthems? Which then leads me
back to Eyedea at the Skribble jam. Honestly i've never seen a white
mc rock that hard, and that nicely. But from what I"ve heard from his
crew, they don't make music with the same intentions as him battling.
Which baffles me.
Ultimately I think El-P is right. (if I read one of the above posts
right). I wouldn't call it Art-fag hip hop, but I don't see them
trying to get the lowest common denominator within the underground hip
hop scene. They are making hip hop for themselves and other cats like
them. To an extent all hip hop is like that, but I think these cats
belong to a smaller sub-set of the population. In general most mc's
have taken some of the bravado inherent in mc'ing. I don't get the
same vibe from them. Serch, Everlast, Eminem sounds like they would at
least try and kick your ass in a rhyme, but these cats are on a
different tip.
> and, how many people do you think attach themselves
> to the ideal of Anticon and not the actual music they
> make?
Honest music? Those are the lines I remember from one the joints I
heard. Is he questioning the mc persona that O Shea Jackson, John
Davis, or C Diggs takes on?
somebody help me out.
But I am wondering how this will play itself out within the underground
hip hop community. Despite what folks say, there is a lot of
regionalism in college radio hip hop.
peace
k. orr
Peter Agoston
did
> you think of the Urb article?
The Wire article is much better as far as writing is concerned. I didn't
really think James Tai delved too
deeply into Anticon, he kinda toyed with the white
boy idea, took some quotes and left the photos to
speak for themselves. It's dope they got up in there
but I think Hua Hsu's article in the Wire is much more
discriptive and cohesive.
i just got back into town so i haven't even peeped the
rest of this thread...
peace,
peter
Peter Agoston
i don't think my question was stupid, although
this comment is definitely rude. chill with that shit.
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Steve 'Flash' Juon
> I actually have quite a few friends who fall into the "black and like
> Anticon" catagory. And guess what? I know some black people who like
> Radiohead and Public Image Limited and Minor Threat. I even know some
> that like Iron Maiden and Judas Priest. Pretty weird huh?
As far as I know, Ed likes an old school AC/DC record as much as an old
school Public Enemy record - no, that doesn't strike me as weird at all.
In fact it would strike me as weird if Afrika Bambaataa hadn't been known
as the kind of DJ who would gladly throw punk rock or metal into a mix
and make it "hip-hop" just because he's that kind of a musical genius.
You know, if I have to hear some headbanging "hip-rock" type shit, why
can't it be songs like that Xzibit track 3 on Soul Assassins 2? That
shit sound GOODER THAN A MOTHERFUCKER. It took me straight back to that
Onyx and Biohazard "Judgment Night" shit. :)
Peace, Flash
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Ya played Ab? naw! Ya played yourself
attract to me one bit. That seems like straight white boy backpacker
music to me. Maybe they are over my heads, but I don't care. Especially
Sole and Dose One, they have to be the 2 sorriest excuse for emcees that
i have ever seen before.>>
My thoughts exactly, except I cant even listen to Sage Francis.
Peace, Ab
"I'm almost doper than anyone!!" - Guru
Ya played Ab? naw! Ya played yourself
blast you if it has to. I can whip your ass too. Mansion, Maseratti,
Gotti with a shotti. Catchin bodies like hotties when it's "Dime Night"
at Limelight. 1, 2. 1, 2. I'm a lyrical Jew. Let me display what I don't
have for you. Rhyde or Die wif mah crew, cause I'm so hott ta deff wif a
punchline.....">>
Yeah, those lyrics are wack, but I would rather hear that then any of
that shit that Dose One slobbers on the mic.
Brent Stanley
music...much better than that mainstream nigger stuff"
I said "nigger stuff?? watch your mouth man"
and then I proceeded to get flamed for getting offended the kid used nigger
as a common word. Not as a term of endearment even, but as the RACIAL
SLUR...
wtf went wrong here, somebody help me out
-PHaSE.1
(bs...@yourmom.com)
"Peter Agoston" <pe...@tidepool.com> wrote in message
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>
> do you think Anticon attracts or de-ttracts black
> listeners?
>
> and, how many people do you think attach themselves
> to the ideal of Anticon and not the actual music they
> make?
>
> holla
>
> peter
>
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>
Steve 'Flash' Juon
says...
> this reminds me...i caught some kid on irc saying "anticon is such good
> music...much better than that mainstream nigger stuff"
> I said "nigger stuff?? watch your mouth man"
> and then I proceeded to get flamed for getting offended the kid used nigger
> as a common word. Not as a term of endearment even, but as the RACIAL
> SLUR...
>
> wtf went wrong here, somebody help me out
You used IRC, that's WTF went wrong here.
Starscream1979
that shit that Dose One slobbers on the mic.>>
give me some examples of dose's "wack lyrics". You have a quote from guru, for
christ sake.
JunieMorrison
shakespearean gothic tone headlining dinner amateur theater. Its just fake.
Reminds me of how "Onyx" screamed for people to listen. It would be like Rakim
sounding like Gilbert Godfried. But alot of stuff dose says is nonsense.
Ya played Ab? naw! Ya played yourself
find it humourous, not because it's especially dope. But I will say one
thing.... I would always rather hear Guru and his goofy monotone ass
then Dose One. I never said that Dose was wack lyrically, but anyone
with that horrendous voice shouldnt be let near a microphone. Dose One's
voice is is the sound of the internet connection when you pick up the
phone. It is a sharpened fork across a brand new chalkboard. It is the
sound of your alarm clock after a long night, waking you up at 5:00 am.
Todd Ito
: The Wire article is much better as far as writing is concerned. I didn't
: really think James Tai delved too
: deeply into Anticon, he kinda toyed with the white
: boy idea, took some quotes and left the photos to
: speak for themselves. It's dope they got up in there
: but I think Hua Hsu's article in the Wire is much more
: discriptive and cohesive.
given the names of the people who wrote those two articles,
it's safe to say that anticon has asian fans. ;)
todd
Todd Ito
: Perhaps I've only heard the slow,sad,
: introspective joints though. Do the make joints that you could bump
: through the burbs with? Are there hooks/anthems? Which then leads me
: back to Eyedea at the Skribble jam. Honestly i've never seen a white
: mc rock that hard, and that nicely. But from what I"ve heard from his
: crew, they don't make music with the same intentions as him battling.
: Which baffles me.
lol. "bump through the burbs..."
while it's sometimes useful to look at the "anticon rappers" as a whole,
i do think they are pretty varied. i don't really think it's fair to
lump slug and eyedea in with anticon, since they're not really a part
of that group. they can definitely rock a crowd (black, white, asian,
whatever), and they do have hooks and anthems. slug especially is good
at coming up with hooks. their beats don't really bump, but i don't think
that's really intentional. anyway, from the more recent slug stuff i've
heard, he might be moving away from moving crowds, which is too bad.
but, the guy is like 28 or something, so i can't blame him for "maturing"
with his sound.
todd