Slugs of atmosphere and Sage Francis SUCK!!!
MoreCrates
That's the Real problem with Hip Hop, IT'S MOVING TO THE SUBURBS!!
Just because you Rap about your little sister doesn't make you Dope
Soft Rap has got to go!!
QUIZ!
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Rap has to be hardcore or else rap sucks? Thats a wack attitude. And what
the hell crack are you smoking... last I checked, Slug and Sage Francis
arn't selling anywhere near as many records as Nas and Jay Z (for example)
are...... you need to chill dude....
Adrunk
your own music that you have to reassure your dumbass fanbase that they are
"Advanced Listeners" so that they buy it, you're a fucking waste of time.
And Sage is one of the most asinine, dry, wack rappers of all time.
Ad.....
don killumiNATTY
saying that he's black ("I always grew up identifying with black" is the quote)
because his grandfather is black and I felt very sorry for him. Serch kissed a
lot of ass, but he never pulled the "I'm black" cop out. Sheesh!
Daf
HoopKing33
meaning if you have a drop of Black blood in you, then you're Black.
Peace, and I'm out.
--
"I use a buck to wipe my ass 'cause see, my shit is on the money." -- CHOPS
Andrew L.
Anticon and never has been...Sage may receive distribution from Anticon but
he rarely (if ever) done any tracks with those homosexuals. Open your ears
to some good music... Sage is so so different...
here's the 2nd half of "Different" from his newest LP "Personal Journals"
(Have any (esp you ADRUNK) of you even HEARD his other *3* albums? How are
you going to hate on obvious lyrical skill)
another thing, Sage puts on one of the wildest and dopest live shows you'll
ever see these days...you don't gotta like him but he DAMN sure deserves
respect.
---
Don't bother calling me at all because I'm not answering.
Is that a voice-mail-bomb-threat or a broken promise I'm mishandling?
Gambling away my money issues, somebody owes me big bucks.
My career depends on explosive vacuums sucking me in and blowing me up.
Poetry struck a nerve in the listenership. Spoken word then got 'em all
interested.
Now I don't have to serve ice cream to little kids, I serve emcees who think
they're rippin' it,
And poets who think they're somehow significant. Meanwhile both are loud and
ignorant,
And don't know how to speak to a crowd in an intimate environment.
I am different. In a different way. The only thing that stays the same is
change.
While people claim their states, I state my claims.
I'm a quiet natured player who outwardly hates the game. I shake what I got,
which is a jingly pocket,
I do my mini-market research and make noise for myself when I walk quick.
I talk with authority while I question it.
When I ask, "Who am I?" I'm left guessing,
But if you're a poor man's version of ANYTHING
It is your self-perception.
Growing up in a microscopic town prepared me well for this petrii dish,
Where talk is invisible to the eye and they hate the guy they're speaking
with.
I'm a real vegetarian: No chicken...not even fish.
I'm a real underground rapper: My tape quality sucks, my records are warped
and my CD skips.
Lady Luck is a greedy bitch with itchy palms and a case of the gimmes.
I've got an outtie if she's got an inny, I'll clean her pipes and then sweep
her chimney.
The beat that's in me is polyrhythmic. You're only 60 heart beats per
minute.
A human second-hand-me-down-to-earth-guy who will thriftshop-lift his
hiphop.
I may be getting too big for my britches, but I paid my dues when the cost
was climbing.
If I burn too many bridges I'll never get off of this awful island.
As long as I've been rhyming, they only started listening,
Because for a while they didn't like how I wouldn't smoke the pot that I was
pissin' in.
Plus I had no dead homies to pour out the liquor I don't drink.
You can flash your shiny objects in front of my eyes and I won't blink.
I'm motherfucking different. Oooohhhh yyyeeeaaahhhh...
I'm motherfucking different. Oooohhhh yyyeeeaaahhhh...
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locdogjr
boring
I absolutely LOVE modern mans hustle and am thinking about checking out the
LP for this reason. Sage and slug although lyricall talented do not have
great voices and are boring.
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Rane of Terror
>how is it a cop out? serch isn't black, so that's why he never claimed
>it. in america, if you are one quarter black (like slug is), then
>traditionally, you're considered black. if he says he grew up identifying
>himself as black, then that's what he did. i don't see a problem with
>that.
you're saying it isnt a cop out? if u grew up in the burbs and you identify
yourself as black, thats just fake right off the bat (that is if youre
white...slug was implying he indentified himself as someone in the
ghetto...black is a skin color and if u are black in the suburbs youre black,
slug was trying to say he related to someone ni the ghetto....please). the
suburbs is 90% white. move to the ghetto where niggas moms is on crack and
their pops is on heroin (if theyre around) and u hear gunshots every day and u
see drugs sold in a drive through drug spot. there are a few white people
around here (north philly) me and my friends consider and call black. but dont
be from the suburbs and have a little drop of black in you and say youre black.
technically he is, but not like he was saying he is. he probably never seen a
real corner in his life.
ps., slug is wack as fuck. and i like some white rappers. but slug is the
wackest. eminem is better than slug, and eminem is pretty wack
Teck
i remember reading that somewhere i think
not 100% sure though
later,teck
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QUIZ!
have dark skin, but he's not black unless he's addicted to heroin.... so it
doesn't matter anyways wether has dad has dark skin... he's probably from
the burbs and doesn't smoke crack... so he can't be black!
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QUIZ!
"Rane of Terror" <ran...@aol.com> wrote in message
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so unless you're poor, from the ghetto, with drug addicts for parents, you
can't be a "black" person or identify with "black" culture and the black
experience???? there's A LOT more to being black that being on the "corner"
and seeing drugs and shit... thats the most fucked up and stupid up thing
i've ever heard in my life.... the dumbest definition of "black" i have ever
heard. your definition basically means "black" people can not be successful
and non-violent and drug-free without losing their blackness. thats
retarded. sounds to me like babylon has well and truly brainwashed your mind
homie.
if you hate slug so much, why are you talking about him, why do you listen
to his music? its not like he's on the radio all the time or anything... in
order to hear him you actually have to make an effort to get his stuff...
which you've obviously been doing... this makes me wonder. yo, i'm not a big
fan of slug either... but in this case I have to point out how ridiculous
you're being in your accusations against him.... he has just as much right
as you do to decide what he feels defines being "black"... why does your
particular narrow-minded definition of "black" have to apply to the whole
world?
endus
wrote:
Are you serious? That takes away a lot of the respect I ahd for
Atmosphere. I never liked them that much anyway, but some of their
songs are dope (Sound is Vibration, Scapegoat) but hearing that he's
on that kind of bullshit makes me like them less. Sage, same thing, I
like a couple of tracks but not most of them.
I disagree with the original poster's hostility towards them, but I
also don't like them that much. They're definitely not "what's wrong
with hiphop" though.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.endus.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
endus at endus dot com
Here's what you're history books won't show
You're a dead man for fuckin' with American dough
-Mr. Lif
B. David Harrison
done sed:
Like somebody else said. Slug is not Anticon. He's done some joints
with them, but he's much, much, much nicer than that.
Full discloser- I'm a huge Slug fanboy... there isn't much he's done I
don't dig. That said- I can understand why folks don't like him.
Sage rules. Listen to "Respect the Broccoli Cock". How can you not
dig that song?
I'm disappointed y'all fed such an obvious troll...
B. David Harrison
Live from Larch Way!?
B. David Harrison
>don killumiNATTY <gnatty...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>: I do have to say that I read an interview with Slug recently where he was
>: saying that he's black ("I always grew up identifying with black" is the quote)
>: because his grandfather is black and I felt very sorry for him. Serch kissed a
>: lot of ass, but he never pulled the "I'm black" cop out. Sheesh!
>
>how is it a cop out? serch isn't black, so that's why he never claimed
>it. in america, if you are one quarter black (like slug is), then
>traditionally, you're considered black. if he says he grew up identifying
>himself as black, then that's what he did. i don't see a problem with
>that.
>
>todd
I always thought Search was half black?
I don't try to convince people that Slug is dope anymore... but it's
like the Can Ox thingy. Why are people so insistant on convincing me
that he's not?
Rane of Terror
>so unless you're poor, from the ghetto, with drug addicts for parents, you
>can't be a "black" person or identify with "black" culture and the black
>experience????
no did i say that? im just assuming slug meant he indentifies with black people
in the ghetto, considering the industry he's in. you cant indentify with that
shit unless youre from that shit, so maybe im assuming wrong...but you saying u
think he's saying he indentifies with blacks from the suburbs? if he is, then i
apologize.
there's A LOT more to being black that being on the "corner"
>and seeing drugs and shit... thats the most fucked up and stupid up thing
>i've ever heard in my life.... the dumbest definition of "black" i have ever
>heard. your definition basically means "black" people can not be successful
>and non-violent and drug-free without losing their blackness. thats
>retarded. sounds to me like babylon has well and truly brainwashed your mind
>homie.
read above
>
>if you hate slug so much, why are you talking about him, why do you listen
>to his music?
im talkin about him cause saying he indentifies with blacks, and form what i
heard he is a suburb kid. what i *heard*. if im wrong and i heard wrong then i
apologize. sure he can indentify with a black person in the suburbs...but do
you think he was actually implying that? i think he was implying he indentifies
with a black person in the ghetto. I've listen to him because my friend over
hyped the hell out of him and when i heard him, he was fucking horrible
"Yeah man, i can really indentify with a black person from the 'burbs, word"
its not like he's on the radio all the time or anything... in
>order to hear him you actually have to make an effort to get his stuff...
>which you've obviously been doing... this makes me wonder.
read above, my friend listens to his shit and loves it, i on the other hand
think its wack
yo, i'm not a big
>fan of slug either... but in this case I have to point out how ridiculous
>you're being in your accusations against him.... he has just as much right
>as you do to decide what he feels defines being "black"... why does your
>particular narrow-minded definition of "black" have to apply to the whole
>world?
when the FUCK did i ever say you have to be from the ghetto to be black>slug
was implying he indentified himself as someone in the
>> ghetto...black is a skin color and if u are black in the suburbs youre
>black,
>> slug was trying to say he related to someone ni the ghetto....please).
do you think this nigga actually meant ? please.
>black is a skin color and if u are black in the suburbs youre
>black,
>black is a skin color and if u are black in the suburbs youre
>black,
>black is a skin color and if u are black in the suburbs youre
>black,
>black is a skin color and if u are black in the suburbs youre
>black,
>black is a skin color and if u are black in the suburbs youre
>black,
i said that, not once did i say u had to be from the ghetto to be black.
learn to read right.
if my assumptions of slug are wrong, i apologize, but i honestly dont think
this nigga was trying to say he relates to blacks in the suburbs. be for real
QUIZ!
i apologize for being so hard on you with reaction to what I had percieved
was your definition of "black". however, i still have to point out that I
don't think you have any legitimate grounds upon which to base the
assumption that slug meant to imply he identified with people from the
ghetto. thats the key to what had me confused about your definition in the
first place, since all slug said was "black", and you assumed he meant
"ghetto-dwelling and black", which to me seemed to indicate that you were
implying that black culture and the black experience could only happen in
the ghetto, and your "skin color" remark suggested that black people from
the burbs were only "black" because of their skin color - not their vibe or
culture etc - and that they have little to nothing in common with blacks
from the ghetto. so i'd like to know, on what grounds do you base your
assumption that he meant "ghetto-dwelling black" when he said "black"? he
could just as easily be identifying with cats like De La Soul or EPMD or any
number of black people from the burbs. furthermore, most of the black people
i know are from the burbs, and most of them are culturally and
characteristically different from most of the white people i know. not to
mention the fact that black people in the ghetto, and black people in the
burbs, have a lot of things in common, and slug could very well be
identifying with any number of those things.... in other words he could be
identifying with black people 'period', no matter what part of the city they
are from. finally, even if he's not black.... that still doesn't mean his
life experience can't be such that he finds he has things in common with
black people....
Michael Fthenos
"B. David Harrison" <b.d...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> On 17 Jun 2002 15:28:21 -0400, Todd Ito <ti...@unc.edu> done sed:
> I don't try to convince people that Slug is dope anymore... but it's
> like the Can Ox thingy. Why are people so insistant on convincing me
> that he's not?
I've never gotten the hoopla over Slug. And I gave him every chance. 'God's
Bathroom Floor', or whatever it's called, is the only song of his I remotely
feel, and even that ain't too hot in my eyes.
Sage...well, I can't say he's ALWAYS dope, but when he comes correct, he's
pretty great. Uneven to me though.
MF
MJ
What exactly made you think that?
Matt
B. David Harrison
<djmf_Th...@hotmail.com> done sed:
>
>"B. David Harrison" <b.d...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:1f2tgu0cjfonr1ltv...@4ax.com...
>> On 17 Jun 2002 15:28:21 -0400, Todd Ito <ti...@unc.edu> done sed:
>
>> I don't try to convince people that Slug is dope anymore... but it's
>> like the Can Ox thingy. Why are people so insistant on convincing me
>> that he's not?
>
>I've never gotten the hoopla over Slug. And I gave him every chance. 'God's
>Bathroom Floor', or whatever it's called, is the only song of his I remotely
>feel, and even that ain't too hot in my eyes.
>
This might say more about me than it does him... or damn him even more
in people's eyes- but he's the MC that I relate to the most. He's got
a knack with words where he's amazingly expressive without being
overly clever. It's really unforced, really well thought out lyrics.
Almost as if he cares more about what he's saying than how he's saying
it.
>Sage...well, I can't say he's ALWAYS dope, but when he comes correct, he's
>pretty great. Uneven to me though.
>
I'll take uneven (which I think is right) in an attempt to do
something different over boring. Especially since when he's on, he's
ON.
don killumiNATTY
1/2 of y'all jock Golden Child. Cat has always had a major crush on me. Can't
help it, Ive always been queer bait.
I think its a cop out, because he's always pushed the "intellegent hip hop for
white folks by white folks" thing. I don't remember all the quotes, but
Anticon have always revelled in their being white and unfunky.
And whoever said Slug is not a part of Anticon - he is. He's in their group
photos, and been a member of Deep Puddle since Anticon's inception.
I am just surprised that he pulled a race card. My whole respect of Slug has
always been based on the fact that he could give a fuck what the mainstream
thought of his music. And the "My grampa's black" thing just seems like a
futile cry for legitimacy.
Daf
Adrunk
them, but he's much, much, much nicer than that. "
I'm getting shitted on left right and center here for saying Slug was
integrated into Anticon, I apologise profusely I assumed he was as he was on
the Anticon "advanced/advancement" albums......
Ad.....
don killumiNATTY
You are the correct one, don't apologize.
He is a member of Deep Puddle Dynamics. They are Anticon.
Is he also a Rhymesayer - yes. But Mayonaise is also one of 1200 Hobos.
Slug is Anticon. It's kind of like people who like Shania Twain but hate
country. They spend all their energy trying to convince themselves that Shania
isn't country.
Daf
don killumiNATTY
Daf
T. Tauri
>
> don killumiNATTY <gnatty...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> : I do have to say that I read an interview with Slug
> never claimed it. in america, if you are one quarter black
> (like slug is), then traditionally, you're considered black.
> if he says he grew up identifying himself as black, then
> that's what he did. i don't see a problem with that.
I agree with Todd.
And "I always grew up identifying with black" is not quite the same to
me as "I'm black," and I presume Slug isn't oblivious to the difference.
>From my experience: I don't practice Judaism, never went through any of
the teaching, never had a bar mitzvah, I went to a Catholic grade
school. Only thing is my Dad's Jewish. But I took a lot of shit from
kids in school for not doing the communion/confirmation/etc thing, and
so I understood early on that I was Jewish enough, in a way, for it to
have a significant impact on my life. As much as that was just kids
making use of whatever presented itself to manipulate the social pecking
order in their favor, it's something I still experience--in a room full
of Christians, I'm a Jew regardless. Thus I "identify with Jews."
But on the other hand, Slug's music clearly suits a certain white
audience's preoccupations, and it makes for a question about how much
weight that kind of quote carries.
So here's the question: would it be better, in hip-hop terms, if he
didn't identify with blacks?
Thorny issues either way IMO.
Peece,
T. Tauri
T. Tauri
>
> Okay - I won't respond to Todd Ito directly, because he
> jocks me harder than 1/2 of y'all jock Golden Child. Cat
> has always had a major crush on me. Can't help it, Ive
> always been queer bait.
Now now, don't be acting the chump, Natty.
Peece,
T. Tauri
HoopKing33
Where was this interview anyway?
HoopKing33
>the teaching, never had a bar mitzvah, I went to a Catholic grade
>school. Only thing is my Dad's Jewish. But I took a lot of shit from
>kids in school for not doing the communion/confirmation/etc thing, and
>so I understood early on that I was Jewish enough, in a way, for it to
>have a significant impact on my life. As much as that was just kids
>making use of whatever presented itself to manipulate the social pecking
>order in their favor, it's something I still experience--in a room full
>of Christians, I'm a Jew regardless. Thus I "identify with Jews."
Nice story, Tauri. I could relate to what you said because, like you, my
father is Jewish. Both my younger brother and I took a lot of shit for it,
too. The bottom line is, if we were in Europe at the time of Hitler's reign,
both of our asses would have been thrown in the oven. That's Jewish enough for
me.
No matter what portion of you is Jewish, Black, or what have you, I find it
hard for the individual not to feel drawn towards what is minority. If Slug
feels drawn towards his African ancestry, then so be it. He has every right to
identify with it. It's a double edged sword. He can hide his Blackness under
his light skin. I am sure he would also feel like a wolf dressed in sheep's
clothing.
endus
>about yourself? i'm not saying it would have to, but it would be
>legitimate if it did.
[snip]
>maybe you have to be a minority to understand it completely, but to me,
>identifying with anything in your background that is not the majority
>makes perfect sense to me.
I definitely hear you, and I think it's good to want to identify with
your background. Still though, to rep it in an interview as a white
MC, alongside comments about "identifying with black" is suspect. Not
_necessarily_ bad, but just suspect.
Todd Ito
: Where was this interview anyway?
i thought he said that in this interview i read recently on
www.urbansmarts.com, but i just skimmed it again, and i didn't see
any mention of his identifying as black growing up. so, daffy probably
read that comment in a different interview.
but, in the urban smarts interview, slug does say, "i've never really
been interested in any other music outside hip-hop. i didn't even
discovered [sic] guitars or white people for that matter, until i was
fourteen years old."
here's the krs comment i mentioned in another post: "me, personally, i
don't feel like my branch [of hip-hop music] is in any way different to
krs-one though. if fact, my whole life, all i wanted to do is be
krs-two. so i consider what i am doing my interpretation of what krs-one
did for me when i was sixteen years old."
todd
TJ Xenos
>white MC's, or is slug the white MC? the whole point of this thread is
>that slug is 1/4 black. his dad is 1/2 black, 1/2 white, and his mom is
>white. so, he's not really white. he's 3/4 white, 1/4 black. which,
>historically, means he's black. so, "identifying with black" shouldn't be
>suspect, especially if he grew up in the inner city with a lot of black
>friends (which i understand to be the case).
>
>todd
To take your personal example, if your kids were to get into some predominately
japanese thing (forgive my ignorance in lacking an example) don't you think
people into that would be offended by your kid claiming japanese? I think
whats at issue is slug is trying to take advantage of his being partially black
to gain credibility, which is almost as ridiculous as every white cat who tries
to claim being from the ghetto and having mad black friends as an excuse for
being hiphop... I cant make a judgement as far as how slug was raised and how
black culture played into his development, but i can look at him and say "he's
a white dude", making his comment about being 1/4 (or whatever ythe fuck it is)
black seem like an obvious grasp for credibility in a predominantly black
artform. Whether whites should have to struggle so much to get credibility is
another issue entirely...
T.J. Xenos
xen...@student.wit.edu
"It's not some safe thing like Fugazi where everyone sits down and eats their
tofu and goes 'wow man, that's revolutionary' " - Jerry A of Poison Idea
B. David Harrison
This same rational makes Greg Nice a member of Gangstar...
Obviously Slug has done stuff with Anticon, but I don't think he was one
of the folks who crafted the "Advancement of Hip-Hop" bullshit. If you
listen to Slug's music- he doesn't seem to be on that tip at all.
Natty, you need to let this go. This is the same thing that happened
with Cannibal Ox, where you went out of your way to be a jackass.
B. David Harrison
Live from Larch Way!?
TJ Xenos
> This same rational makes Greg Nice a member of Gangstar...
no. Not even close. natty said slug is a member of a group that is part of
anticon. Basically he said, he's a protestant, so he's a christian...
Wesley Hubbard
> i really didn't read it that way, but i can see where you're coming
> from. i don't think slug is trying to get credibility when he claims his
> blackness. i never read anything about his ethnicity until long after
> "overcast" was an underground hit. i think he mentioned it more because
> he got tired of people commenting on his whiteness. there have been a lot
> of people writing about how slug is this white kid from the suburbs or
> from the country or whatever. that's not the truth. he's 1/4 black and
> from south minneapolis. if people are going to judge him based on his
> ethnic background, they should at least get it right. that's more where i
> thought he was coming from. you know, if you're not going to judge him on
> his music solely, then at least get the rest of it right.
>
and in every interview I've read with him he goes out of his way to avoid
that question or given some kind of sarcastic and or coded/vague answer
about it. Why would he all of a sudden be trying to gain credibility off
that shit?? Why - to sell records - obviously if he wanted to go that route
he's better off keeping that 1/4th shit on the down low.
and if you have any skill in judging someones character you would know that
that is the last way Slug comes across - desperately needing
acceptance/cred.
And slug in not on ANTICON, for fuck's sake - some of you are brainless -
he recorded an album with a group that I'm pretty sure was a one time thing
and they put it out on that label. He doesn't live anywhere near them nor
record with them constantly. If he records an album with Lil Wayne tommorow
and they put it out on Cash Money is he now on Cash Money also?
wes
B. David Harrison
> >
> > This same rational makes Greg Nice a member of Gangstar...
>
> no. Not even close. natty said slug is a member of a group that is part of
> anticon. Basically he said, he's a protestant, so he's a christian...
As I understand it- Deep Puddle isn't a group- it's an album- Slug was on
that album... he's done some tracks- that's it.
Rane of Terror
>i apologize for being so hard on you with reaction to what I had percieved
>was your definition of "black". however, i still have to point out that I
>don't think you have any legitimate grounds upon which to base the
>assumption that slug meant to imply he identified with people from the
>ghetto.
okay i see your point here and i apologize for the assumption. i was once told
assumption is the lowest form of knowledge, but i cant help but to always
assume
thats the key to what had me confused about your definition in the
>first place, since all slug said was "black", and you assumed he meant
>"ghetto-dwelling and black", which to me seemed to indicate that you were
>implying that black culture and the black experience could only happen in
>the ghetto, and your "skin color" remark suggested that black people from
>the burbs were only "black" because of their skin color - not their vibe or
>culture etc - and that they have little to nothing in common with blacks
>from the ghetto.
i understand the culture thing....but think about this, i'd say from what i see
everyday, about 90% of blacks live in the ghetto (this is philadelphia, mind
you). when we go into the "white neighborhoods" (middle class-high class), i'd
guess the number of blacks are reduced to about 1 or 2 families a block. up in
the suburbs, it isnt even that. but i see what u mean about culture, and i see
how i may have disregarded that in my original post, and i apologize about
that, because i was misleading.
so i'd like to know, on what grounds do you base your
>assumption that he meant "ghetto-dwelling black" when he said "black"?
i said before, its considering the industry he's in....which is probably 85%
black people from the ghetto
he
>could just as easily be identifying with cats like De La Soul or EPMD or any
>number of black people from the burbs.
very true (didnt know epmd is from the burbs)
furthermore, most of the black people
>i know are from the burbs, and most of them are culturally and
>characteristically different from most of the white people i know.
this is also true, but only on the culturally part. in my opinion, from what
i've experienced, noone in the suburbs has the same chacteristics as someone in
the ghetto.
not to
>mention the fact that black people in the ghetto, and black people in the
>burbs, have a lot of things in common,
this is where i kinda disagree. if you grew up in the burbs, u may have a FEW
things in common, but not alot. there is no way a black person in the burbs and
in the ghetto have alot in common, or even white people for that matter.
and slug could very well be
>identifying with any number of those things.... in other words he could be
>identifying with black people 'period', no matter what part of the city they
>are from.
very true, but the link that todd ito provided, it says "On last year's Anticon
compilation, Slug's "Nothing but Sunshine" cast the rapper as a grown-up farm
boy/b-boy returning home to imagined boyhood stomping grounds in northern
Minnesota."
if u are a farm boy, u cant indentify with people in the ghetto, point blank
finally, even if he's not black.... that still doesn't mean his
>life experience can't be such that he finds he has things in common with
>black people....
this is true also...but like i said, considering the industry he's in, i think
he meant a ghetto dwelling black person. and in the article it says he lived in
a working class neighborhood. that isnt the ghetto, with vietnamese and other
type people. come to north philly. i dont know about any other ghettos, but
this ghetto is 99% black. the 1% is your sprinkled latinos, asians and whites.
go to the ghetto in south philly, its the same. go to the ghetto in west
philly, its the same. go to the ghetto in southwest philly, its the same. our
working class neighborhood is the northeast, and i still by what i say when i
say its 99% white. he said in the article too he was trying to reach out to
people in the ghetto...he needs to recognize that he can't, because he isnt
from the ghetto. he can relate culturally maybe...but he cannot front like he
can relate to the ghetto...cause now it does sound like thats what he was
trying to say now that i read that article
dont know if i said everything i wanna say, maybe it will come to me later
MoreCrates
Check Gangstarr,not Gangsta rap NOt Totally ignorant,
but Still Street. You Gotta Identify with Street in some
way check Common, Hiero, ATCQ All identify with the street to SOME Degree!!
Sage Francis Is From Rhode Island,and I hear White KId with BackPacks He is the
Best emcee??? Maybe I white hop but not in hip hop.
This is why White people should observe Hip hop (Maybe),
but don't Percipate!! Plus Slug and Sage Francis Got Corny beats and Dry
deliveries
R!cky
"MoreCrates" <morec...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>WIGGER HOP MAYBE??
you're a fucking moron. you've proved that in only 2 posts.
Rit
This is my first post, and probably my last, since I'm too busy to
post on a regular basis...
Wow, this post has gotten a lot of responses...not bad for a message
written by a troll...but I guess that's to be expected when talking
about Slug, Sage, El-P, any of the more popular "underground"
artists...you guys even pulled out the dreaded "Anticon" card. I
swear, if you don't like any artist, just say they sound like/are a
part of Anticon, and BAM!, the ultimate diss. Personally, I don't
think it should matter whether he's a part of a certain group or not:
anyone who listens to his music should be able to come to the
conclusion that his intentions are quite different from Sole's crew.
Anticon specializes more in the abstract, experimental area, while
Slug is more emo-hop. But having said that, Slug is not part of
Anticon. If you check out their website, it lists 8 people as being
part of their collective. Slug is not among them. And for the poster
who complained about Anticon claiming that they are advanced hip hop,
just know that they mean it half-sarcastically, especially nowadays.
It's sort of like how Tenacious D says they are the greatest band in
history...it's not meant to be taken 100% seriously...
That said, here is the actual article that people were referring to:
http://www.citypages.com/databank/21/1022/article8787.asp
If you read it, you can see that Slug wasn't trying to gain
credibility or anything like that: he was simply explaining his past,
how he grew up, how he had confusion with his race due to being 1/4
black, etc. Plus, when your primary audience is middle to upper class
white college males, I doubt playing the race card would impress much
anyway. The article is almost two years old, and I haven't seen him
mention his ethnicity in any subsequent articles that I've read, so
he's not doing this to boost the sales of his recently released album,
as one poster suggested...
Admittedly, I'm a big fan of Slug, Sage, Aesop, basically all the HHI
staple artists, so my opinions might be somewhat biased...alright, I
guess this is goodbye...keep up the good posts guys...
Rit
R!cky
"Rit" <asfaqrewoiu4309jfaf?al...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Noixe, the other Adrock
Ford 1 and 2 are sick sick sick. esp. "party for the fight to write"
and "tattooed hands."
"locdogjr" <locd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<UTpP8.6783$f52.1...@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>...
> the thing is that sage and slug usually have AWFUL beats and are insanely
> boring
> I absolutely LOVE modern mans hustle and am thinking about checking out the
> LP for this reason. Sage and slug although lyricall talented do not have
> great voices and are boring.
endus
>wait a minute, what does "as a white MC" modify? is the interview about
>white MC's, or is slug the white MC? the whole point of this thread is
>that slug is 1/4 black. his dad is 1/2 black, 1/2 white, and his mom is
I meant to say that Slug appears to be white, and I would say most
people who haven't read that interview would think he is white.
endus
>people into that would be offended by your kid claiming japanese? I think
>whats at issue is slug is trying to take advantage of his being partially black
>to gain credibility, which is almost as ridiculous as every white cat who tries
>to claim being from the ghetto and having mad black friends as an excuse for
>being hiphop... I cant make a judgement as far as how slug was raised and how
This is exactly my point, stated much much better than I said it.
endus
wrote:
>nice post. i love it when a lurker drops a post like this.
Word.
B. David Harrison
>
>>people into that would be offended by your kid claiming japanese? I think
>>whats at issue is slug is trying to take advantage of his being partially black
>>to gain credibility, which is almost as ridiculous as every white cat who tries
>>to claim being from the ghetto and having mad black friends as an excuse for
>>being hiphop... I cant make a judgement as far as how slug was raised and how
>
>This is exactly my point, stated much much better than I said it.
>
Your point is based on the notion that Slug says or does anything out
of a desire for "credibility".
I get the feeling that most of the folks ripping Slug here don't know
much about him or his music.
B. David Harrison
Live from Larch Way!?
Jamil Mustafa
reading that article I have even more respect for Shawn Daley, the
person.. I can relate to him on a couple levels, being born to a white
mother and black father, loving and performing hip hop, living in
Kansas,(as opposed to Earth) and not being completely secure with
myself.
Slug is a dope emcee and sometimes people unfairly criticise him for
his audience's make up. One thing that article and this newsgroup show
is that hip hop has grown so much larger and touched more people than
anyone thought it would. Peace Jamil.
TJ Xenos
>>people into that would be offended by your kid claiming japanese? I think
>>whats at issue is slug is trying to take advantage of his being partially
>black
>>to gain credibility, which is almost as ridiculous as every white cat who
>tries
>>to claim being from the ghetto and having mad black friends as an excuse for
>>being hiphop... I cant make a judgement as far as how slug was raised and
>how
>
>This is exactly my point, stated much much better than I said it.
wow. usually im saying that about somoene's post, i dont think ive ever said
anything well/clear enough to have someone say it about me. Im fucking
honored.
WegnerWils
a member of the mau maus
in bamboozled....
thats all i have to say
"I want your heart. I want to eat your children.'' --Mike Tyson
"Of all the forms of inequality, injustice in health care is the most shocking
and inhuman"
MLK
NATTY by Nature
an early Urb (real early like Issue 3 or so) where Adrock or Mike D (forget
who) discussed the Serch/Beasties beef thing.
Their take was that Serch was really ashamed of being a white Jewish kid, so
the only way he saw fit to gain credibility was by dissing the Beasties. Mike
or Ad went on to say that the Beasties were always comfortable with who they
were -- which I think they've more than proven since that interview dropped in
92.
Slug's interview reminded me of what the Beasties said of Serch... it really
sounded like he was tired of being called an indie rock hero and wanted some
ebonic props. The Beasties are admirable for not sinking this low.
On a growing up white tip, the Neptunes outed Missy and Timbaland in Grand
Royal (interviewed by Mike D) by admitting that they all went to a very white
bread high school and grew up listening to Huey Lewis and shit. Knowing that,
I think I started to understand the humor in their music.
Re: Ito - Tauri, sorry if I sounded a chump, but honestly. That dude NEVER
comments except to dis something I said. He's a lurker until he sees a moment
to pounce on me. I don't care who likes me, but I do think this sucks.
out--
daf
Michael Fthenos
"NATTY by Nature" <gnatty...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020620213150...@mb-cu.aol.com...
> Re: Ito - Tauri, sorry if I sounded a chump, but honestly. That dude
NEVER
> comments except to dis something I said. He's a lurker until he sees a
moment
> to pounce on me. I don't care who likes me, but I do think this sucks.
Cuz you ain'ts gots shits to says d00d.
Old fucker.
MF
Noixe, the other Adrock
> Royal (interviewed by Mike D) by admitting that they all went to a very white
> bread high school and grew up listening to Huey Lewis and shit. Knowing that,
> I think I started to understand the humor in their music.
plus they're both indie rockin skateboarder kids. Chad Hugo doesn't
even try to hide it, he looks genuinely scared in the Clipse video.
Noixe, the other Adrock
> Royal (interviewed by Mike D) by admitting that they all went to a very white
> bread high school and grew up listening to Huey Lewis and shit. Knowing that,
> I think I started to understand the humor in their music.
plus they're both indie rockin skateboarder kids. Chad Hugo doesn't
Noixe, the other Adrock
> Royal (interviewed by Mike D) by admitting that they all went to a very white
> bread high school and grew up listening to Huey Lewis and shit. Knowing that,
> I think I started to understand the humor in their music.
plus they're both indie rockin skateboarder kids. Chad Hugo doesn't
T. Tauri
> Re: Ito - Tauri, sorry if I sounded a chump, but honestly.
> That dude NEVER comments except to dis something I said.
> He's a lurker until he sees a moment to pounce on me. I
> don't care who likes me, but I do think this sucks.
Todd's no lurker, he's one of many fine posters from the "golden age"
who only pop up rarely now (see also Marbles, Steve Jackson, Kari, etc).
And there was nothing harsh in his disagreement--hardly "pouncing."
Peece,
T. Tauri