Del...the geek of Hip-Hop
applesauce
<djfa...@uswest.net> wrote:
>It'd be a long thesis. I remember his ass showing up on RMHH
>like, in 97 or something. That's a lot of study time. Same
>addy, too.
has it been that long? it doesn't seem like it's been any more than a
year. i guess i didn't realize he's been around so long.
>And you know he's lovin that this thread is mostly about
>him, and not about Del. I'm kinda lovin it, too. Funny shit
>is poppin up.
Yeah, but that's every thread he starts. That's what i'm
saying...this shit doesn't happen on accident. dude know's how to
transcend trolling and genuinely push people's buttons. it's not like
he's some dimwit fuck that doesn't know shit about hip hop...he's real
knowledgable. this whole shit reaks of control/attention issues as
far as i'm concerned...
> Then it's like, it gets to the
>point where anyone with a dissenting opinion gets eventually
>labeled a "troll"
there are degrees of trolldom. and there are degrees of dissenting
opinions....OT has got a dissenting opinion when compared to rmhh as a
whole. he doesn't get called a troll. That's because he's not...he
knows how to have a conversation and present his opinion. He doesn't
make sweeping statements about a large group of people that are
different in many ways (okay maybe we're kinda homogenous). he
carries himself on-line the way one would in real life...with an air
of respect for other people (and their opinions).
you wouldn't go into an AA meeting and say "Ha ha ha ha...y'all are
FUCKED UP cause you got drinking problems. Fucking alkies....i heard
they got a colon on e-bay...you should check it out." would you?
No, because it's not appropriate. Starting a thread called Del....the
geek of hip hop is basically the same shit. And it's not like he
can't have the opinion.....personally, i could give a shit about what
the general populace feels about any mc/mc's i dig. I think most of
the people in this thread feel the same way. Most of the responses
come from the fact that people can't deal with the logic behind the
action....i don't see anybody trying to convert LS to a del fan.
and my initial response is not really reflective of any real problem I
have with LS and the role he plays in this ng. he don't pull no
punches and speaks his mind...he can be very on point. besides, every
group needs an antagonist. it keeps things interesting. i don't
neccessarily agree with him or relate to him most of the time, but
that's beside the point. I just don't think he is who he says he is.
i also can't believe i took part in this and helped feed his ego
either.
defeated,
applesauce
"If you feel your shoes ain't untied then don't even trip."
---Upski
GoldenChild
games. This is the type of shit ya'll feel? C'mon now, you're
supposedely using "both sides of the brain" and you couldn't think of
somethin' more interesting to rap about? I don't condone anything done
by Hiero, or The Pharcyde, just 'cause I can't stand to hear nerds on
the mic. And I know what you're gonna say......"Well, just because
they're not talkin' about sellin' coke and killin' people, and ice that
doesn't mean it's not dope". I'll tell you what though, I'd rather hear
a rapper talk about his crime stories all day than hear a song about
Donkey Kong and shit. And don't get all offended like Del is your Father
or somethin', 'cause thats weak. One Luv.
donk...@my-deja.com
rap world is like high school. every high school got people who do
their own thing .. not part of the legions of followers lackeying
behind the three or four charismatic kids that act rah-rah and start
trouble ... del's like the individual tyoe.
and yo i play mad video games, so i appreciate all gaming references.
yo goldenchild, how are you going to make a post with that kind of
inflammatory heading and have no support or reasoning behind it? i
mean, "del is a geek. he's wack because he rhymes about video games."
that shit is stupid, b.
and c'mon, LL? you're buggin. one hot beat don't make you hot. what's
with that track from the football movie? garrrrrrrr-biage, kid.
cornball.
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(GoldenChild) wrote:
>The fuckin' guy is a nerd. This clown made a song about playin' video
>games. This is the type of shit ya'll feel? C'mon now, you're
>supposedely using "both sides of the brain" and you couldn't think of
>somethin' more interesting to rap about?
Yeah...you're not alone. IMO, Del has fallen the fuck off in a big
way. Apart from a couple of blips (Heiro 12" with Heat on it), he's
been unlistnable since No Need For Alarm.
And yes, like yourself, I don't get the appeal anymore. In their
hey-day...the appeal was obvious: wicked production, devastating
rhymes (at times...of course), and all-around interesting albums to
listen to. But now...I don't get it anymore.
>I don't condone anything done
>by Hiero, or The Pharcyde, just 'cause I can't stand to hear nerds on
>the mic.
Unfortunately, I don't follow your reasoning here. I never really
equated Heiro with being nerds until recently...and to be honest, I've
never considered the Pharcyde as a crew of nerds (although they came
close to it with that collabo with the 90210 guy).
Bizarre Ryde, Casual's Fear Itself, and even 93 to Infinity are pretty
straight up material...somewhat in line with De La, Tribe, Black
Sheep, Pete Rock & CL, and even more hard-edged groups like Black
Moon.
>And I know what you're gonna say......"Well, just because
>they're not talkin' about sellin' coke and killin' people, and ice that
>doesn't mean it's not dope". I'll tell you what though, I'd rather hear
>a rapper talk about his crime stories all day than hear a song about
>Donkey Kong and shit.
Unfortunately (or fortunately), I don't think Heiro have much to say
in terms of crime stories. And honestly, I don't think they do much
else other than play Donkey Kong and download porn from the
internet...and yes, I realize that's a potentially idiotic comment.
> And don't get all offended like Del is your Father
>or somethin', 'cause thats weak. One Luv.
It's funny, but the people most responsible for Heiro's brutal
downfall (IMO of course) and continued wackness are really their
psychotic fans who pratically worship the ground they walk.
Case in point: my buddy was at a concert not long ago and Del was
completely high on E (and/or some other skater/raver drug) practically
mumbling and drooling all over the mic. But 99% of the fuckin losers
at the show were cheering his every word...he said at one point, Del
did some stupid drunken dance or something...and the crowd went
ballistic.
You know, it's nice to give people some support...but enough is
enough. When someone's acting like a fool and putting out terrible
music, it's alright to diss them and make them aware of your
displeasure.
augury
Look man, most of us *are* nerds. This means we are not macho, we like
to have fun, and we are interested in goofy stuff. People honestly
don't get the yellow jacket and Armani shades; that's why they hate on
you. Just like you don't get video games and rhymes about girls passin
you by. A little tolerance is all it takes.
PS I hate video games personally
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Faux Halo
cheap heat so I'll play. . .
There is a line from a James Baldwin story which compares the darkness of
movie theaters to the darkness in Black men's lives. So extend the movies
to books or comic books or video games or pro wrestling. These fantasy
elements are the core of hip hop mythos.
The Black Superman who slip money in Mama's purse.
The Billionaire Industrialist ala Tony Starks.
The Spirit of Vengeance Johnny Blaze.
Hip Hop samples from all elements of pop culture. How many rappers refer to
themselves as "The Black John McLaine" or Snoop "Eastwood".
How many albums revolve around science fiction or Asian culture (or Latin
culture)?
All Hip Hop artists are nerds. I repeat: ALL Hip Hop artist are NERDS.
Cineplex going, comic book reading, Pro wrestling watching, poetry writing,
wanna be rock star acting, porn loving GEEKS.
Isn't that obvious?
But for you, with your amazing powers of deduction, to single out Del is
fucking amazing.
So would say, oh Legendary Sensasy, that this is simply a case of the pot
calling the kettle black. Afterall there is nothing dubious about locking
yourself in your Mum and Dad's basement so you can scratch some records. Oh
no there is nothing at all dubious about reciting your bits of poetry to
your schoolmates. And of course, there is nothing 'GEEKY' about getting on
the INTERNET (the bastion of geeks) to talk about how 'geeky' someone else
is.
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"In the bottomless pit, I spit hate from my tongue/I'm throwin'
that ass out the window like Eric Clapton's son" - Chino XL
"GoldenChild" <Legonda...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:21619-38...@storefull-217.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> The fuckin' guy is a nerd. This clown made a song about playin' video
> games. This is the type of shit ya'll feel? C'mon now, you're
> supposedely using "both sides of the brain" and you couldn't think of
> somethin' more interesting to rap about? I don't condone anything done
> by Hiero, or The Pharcyde, just 'cause I can't stand to hear nerds on
> the mic. And I know what you're gonna say......"Well, just because
> they're not talkin' about sellin' coke and killin' people, and ice that
> doesn't mean it's not dope". I'll tell you what though, I'd rather hear
> a rapper talk about his crime stories all day than hear a song about
> Donkey Kong and shit. And don't get all offended like Del is your Father
Profound
shit you spew up in here, but it's clear that all trying to do is piss
people off. Sure, video games might be a little bizarre to rap about,
but IT'S ONE SONG. It's not like Del made a whole album about the shit.
Besides, the subject matter is more *real* than the run of the mill crap
by your average Nas or Jay-Z (Oooh!)
Would you prefer that he rapped about Armani Specs?
ogami
>
> Look man, most of us *are* nerds. This means we are not macho, we like
> to have fun, and we are interested in goofy stuff. People honestly
> don't get the yellow jacket and Armani shades; that's why they hate on
> you. Just like you don't get video games and rhymes about girls passin
> you by. A little tolerance is all it takes.
>
> PS I hate video games personally
then there is a gang of us who aint nerds.
I dont get the yellow starter and hat cuz that that looks corny ass hell
on a yellow ass nigga. seen it in person, if I didnt say it outlawed, Id
think to myself "look at this fool looking like a short ass banana"
I dont give a fuck about video games myself, but this shit about video
games being some nerd shit is stupid. The biggest drug dealers and
murderers Ive known, Im talking about cats that have killed people you
seen walking down the street or some shit last year. these are the
biggest video game playing fools around. its like shooting dice, and
playing bones or some shit. Then you got all kinds of college jock
motherfuckers that dont do shit but get high and play all that nba, nfl
shit all day. those motherfuckers aint nerds, they dont even know what
email is. the only thing they know how to do on the net is click on
porno sites.
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"Profound" <ttef...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Y'know, I used to think you were just misunderstood sometimes by all yhe
> shit you spew up in here, but it's clear that all trying to do is piss
> people off.
i'm beginning to think that LS may actually be a psychologist or
sociologist...maybe he's studying web-hip hop or newsgroup or just hip hop
culture...i have a feeling we might be the subject of his master thesis or
something.
I mean, look at the title of this header.
Look at his arguement.
Then look at the responses.
They're all exactly what you would expect.
Maybe he's just trying to piss people off...it's quite possible. It's a way
to get attention and pass time i suppose.
It's not like there aren't thousands of individuals just like that in cyber
space...
but i don't think it's that simple.
I also don't believe for a second that he's a 17 year old kid who came up in
the projects of queens. I'm thinking middle aged white guy who lives in the
burbs....he's just developed this persona of himself that is so middle aged
white guy fantasy based (yeah yeah...i'll tell i'm the classic cassanova
that's always got a different girl....i'm street smart and hang in the
company of thugs, but at the same time, i can get on the net and debate hip
hop culture with the most educated white boy...i'm the fashion plate, the
nigga you love to hate with the pathfinder and the crib to piss you off even
more cause you've got a degree and push a regal, i can hoop with the best of
em, i've been in shootouts, etc. etc. etc.)(it's too much).
i'm not sure what degree of schooling the online persona legendary sensae
claims to have accomplished, but I don't believe it. GC is very well spoken
and slips out of his character a little too much sometimes...when he goes
off on these 200 line soliloquies about this that and the other, he proves
it's not very likely he's the product of the severely inadequate new york
public school system. I mean it's possible he could be this ghetto prodigy,
but it's not very likely...
i totally expect a full denial and accusations of haterdom, but this is my
hunch.
that's the crazy thing about the net. you just never know.
applesauce
jdg
CONTROVERSY!!!
'super nintendo sega genesis...'.....if anything Del is a geek because he
has a big ass binder full of pokemon cards that he carries around in his
backpack, because he is a a backpacker! i think he bought one from my 8
year old cousin for like $300.
ps. has anyone heard Pokerap, that shit is hot, i wish i could get 12s....
PIKACHU!!!
"born asian...born JEWISH...born latino...born poor...BORN DEAD!!!!"
-Ice-T
ogami
or whatever he wants nerds and backpackers to think. everyone on the
fucking planet knows damn well that any drug dealer murder thug plays
hell playstation and shit. what the fuck do thugs do at home? read books
and make web pages? fuck no. they watch bootlegs, eat food, and fucking
play playstation shit.
Tupac, Biggie, Ice Cube, Too Short, Quik all talk about video games.
what, Cocoa Brovas just sampled some Mario brothers shit, and Fucking
Wu-Tang got their own fucking vedio game.
Every fucking drug dealer I can even think of got a damn game system.
for real, everytime GC comes post some shit he first thinks, "hmmm what
can I say to piss off as many nerd-packers as possible" thats all.
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> The fuckin' guy is a nerd. This clown made a song about playin' video
> games.
What's the name of the track?
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and unique, peep his first single "Bobdobalina". I remember Hiero was on
Rap City a year and a half ago and Del was buggin' out in the back
ground when the other members were spitting their freestyle. Some heads
up in here were calling Del retarded after that. At a time when most
emcees are rapping about the same shit, I can go for some Del.
"I step to writers and let my virus hurt-the- closest/ I'm sick as
hepatitis and worse than tuberculosis"
-Rakim
GoldenChild
Astoria PJ's, not Queens bridge, apartment 108 A Cambridge Court complex
to be exact, zip code 11102 areacode 718. And I don't got a Regal I got
a Acura. And I sure don't got a degree, I plan on gettin' one though.
Here's the thing though, I don't "slip out of character", because I
don't have one in that sense, I have character but not A character, hear
me? I haven't budged since day 1 up in here, why? 'cause I'm myself, if
anything, ya'll are characters, molding yourselves to fit in with the
others and what not, I don't do that, that maybe why I don't get along
with most of the cats in here. I don't make posts to get anyone mad,
thats the truth, but what I will say is that it is amusing to see you
soft skin niggas flip over dumb ass shit. Tender cats. I didn't say Del
was a wack MC, he's a average MC to me, with stupid ass topics. I don't
have anything against video games, I don't play much, but when I do it's
okay, It's kinda fun I guess. But why the fuck would you make a song
about it? I'm the type that I like to feel a song. That song about video
games got a decent beat and the rhymes are good, but it's just stupid
yo, it's wack. I like to feel songs sentimentally, and if you feel that
song sentimentally then you a fuckin' nerd just like that nigga. Ya'll
should be ashamed of yourselves though, if someone that never saw this
group before came in here for the first time he'd say "Damm, Sensaye is
makin' these fools look like bitches". Because ya'll have a fit over
everything I say, and the funny shit is when I take a hiatus from this
room every few months, all I get is e-mail sayin' I need to come back
'cause its not the same without me, and I'm one of the only heads who
tells it like it is, instead of just bein' a yes man, like ya'll cats.
So I'm'a keep wearin' my Armani Specs, my Yellow....nah thats autumn
wear, my Ansaldi Leather, and my ridiculously expensive jewelry, and
ya'll can keep wearin' your adidas jumpers, and ain't nothin' gon'
change, my advice is to accept that. If you can't accept it then we're
gonna be at odds forever which is fine with me, it's pretty obvious I
have no problem spittin' on some of ya'll. Those who get respect from me
know who they are, and I reckognize the cats that got respect for me,
it's all love. The rest of ya'll..please...like I give a fuck what you
nerd niggas think, go play Nintendo or somethin'.
"Both wrists burgetted/ I got a young girl, a mistress and a old bitch,
forget it/ I'm the Don" - Jay-Z -
"Move powder like Crystal light/ I rip through mics/ you wanna fuck me
again you gotta get two dykes/ I got rules, I can't hit you twice/ what
you thought?"
ba...@home.com
Legonda...@webtv.net (GoldenChild) wrote:
> The fuckin' guy is a nerd. This clown made a song about playin' video
> supposedely using "both sides of the brain" and you couldn't think of
> somethin' more interesting to rap about? I don't condone anything done
> by Hiero, or The Pharcyde, just 'cause I can't stand to hear nerds on
> the mic. And I know what you're gonna say......"Well, just because
> they're not talkin' about sellin' coke and killin' people, and ice that
> doesn't mean it's not dope". I'll tell you what though, I'd rather hear
> a rapper talk about his crime stories all day than hear a song about
> Donkey Kong and shit. And don't get all offended like Del is your Father
> or somethin', 'cause thats weak. One Luv.
I ain't with you on this one. Hiero and Pharcyde may not portray the
hardcore type of image you seem to like, and apparently live yourself, but
they're dope in my book. Creativity accounts for something in my book at
least.
--
One Love,
Terry Malko
'A rich man is one with knowledge, happiness and his health' -- Common
Stone Monkey
post was even started. It's pretty funny reading his posts though.
peace
jason
Spirit68
>a rapper talk about his crime stories all day than hear a song about
>Donkey Kong and shit.
You apparently haven't heard enough Del material. He talks about a little of
everything, from intraracial politics ("Dark Skin Girls") to the consequences
of getting caught slipping at the wrong spot ("Wrong Place").
Peace,
Spirit
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BUGGZY415
>by Hiero, or The Pharcyde, just 'cause I can't stand to hear nerds on
>the mic.
What do you find nerdy about the Pharcyde? Pharcyde is dope.
Buggzy
"Hip hop is getting strangled by this Puff Combs Syndrome
N**gaz been around the world acting like they never been home"--Common
Fredrico
>a rapper talk about his crime stories all day than hear a song >about
Donkey Kong and shit.
Damn, I want to hear again that Fresh Prince/Jazzy Jeff cut about spending
all your allowance in the arcades...With that beat box rendition of Donkey
Kong and a couple of other games...Oh, well...Later
Fredrico
Mr shtalkr
matter doesn't make em a nerd (or a gay nerd for that matter). I could see you
gettin on Tajai or some sh*t but Del a geek? No disrespect cuz I appreciate
the way you won't sway to public opinion but you must not've been following
Del.
Del eats, sleeps, and breathes hiphop. He's a living breathing walking
freestyler. Back in the day he was signed to his cousin Ice Cube's Steet
Knowledge label and still kicked his offbeat sh*t. He's an individual.
Disrespecting Del for his style would be like disrespecting Native Tongues for
theirs. Or Alkaholics for theirs.
Go listen to the song "No Need For Alarm" and see if you still think he doesn't
write about sh*t.
OHHLA Webmaster 'Flash'
> del has a dope voice and a unique flow. and he's himself.
Del is one of those uniquely multifaceted hip-hop artists who can
straight-up rip, drop topics, tell stories, or just plain bug out.
If he's a nerd, LL Cool J would do well to be more nerdy.
> rap world is like high school. every high school got people who do
> their own thing .. not part of the legions of followers lackeying
> behind the three or four charismatic kids that act rah-rah and start
> trouble ... del's like the individual tyoe.
Maybe that's why I relate to his music...
NAH, I like it cause it's DOPE. Period point blank.
> and yo i play mad video games, so i appreciate all gaming references.
So do I, considering I own a PSX, an eight bit NES, and a pocket Gameboy.
Gaming addict? You got it. My new issue of Playstation Monthly arrived
in the mail today. :)
In case anybody hadn't noticed, gaming has gone mainstream. They're
running the same Ecko and FUBU ads in video game magazines as they do
in hip-hop magazines - sometimes with the same pitchmen (Prince Paul
comes to mind). There's video games for all age groups: strategy, RPG,
hack'n'slash, even children's titles. Of course this may indirectly
be related to the fact America is now the world's most obsese nation..
Not my place to judge that.
> and c'mon, LL? you're buggin. one hot beat don't make you hot. what's
> with that track from the football movie? garrrrrrrr-biage, kid.
> cornball.
Oh yeah, it was hot ass on a biscuit (I don't care what y'all think
I like that saying) and so putrid I actually had to make a point of
mentioning it in my review on OHHLA. LL, hang it up son, PLEASE.
Your career is OVER.
Peace, Flash
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Legonda...@webtv.net says...
> "Both wrists burgetted/ I got a young girl, a mistress and a old bitch,
> forget it/ I'm the Don" - Jay-Z
Son that's baguetted. Baguette is a high class of diamonds so he's
obviously wearing some on each wrist. This was actually all broken
down in an issue of XXL or Blaze where they went to Jacob Jav's and
discussed jewelry with hip-hop's most famous ice-flashers.
Burgetted? If he's wearing hamburgers maybe.
vibes
>by Hiero, or The Pharcyde, just 'cause I can't stand to hear nerds on
heres what ill say. your taste is ass. and so is your opinion.
be on the lookout for the" phase one" ep by vibes n' verses..
vibesan...@aol.com for more info.
caustic
what the fuck does kool keith rap about? that guy is one of the funkiest guys
on the mic, and he's ill. i think its more about the flow than the message
even though the message is still a big part. its what seperates the ill from
the wack.
caustic
...and the're trying to turn hip-hop into just plain rappin'. Where your
skills at? where the ill raps? where the new tracks? where's your heart at?
the new jacks gettin contracts? I got a rhyme I ain't even wrote yet. -Mr.
Eon
Johnno
using the internet, using computers !!!!!! You think other people think it's
'cool' to spend hours on the net per day ? We're the NERDS !!!!!! Including
Goldenchild !!!!! What a hypocrite !!!!!!
GoldenChild wrote in message
<21619-38...@storefull-217.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
The fuckin' guy is a nerd. This clown made a song about playin' video
games. This is the type of shit ya'll feel? C'mon now, you're
supposedely using "both sides of the brain" and you couldn't think of
somethin' more interesting to rap about? I don't condone anything done
by Hiero, or The Pharcyde, just 'cause I can't stand to hear nerds on
the mic. And I know what you're gonna say......"Well, just because
they're not talkin' about sellin' coke and killin' people, and ice that
doesn't mean it's not dope". I'll tell you what though, I'd rather hear
a rapper talk about his crime stories all day than hear a song about
GoldenChild
thought it was Burgette like an Ice Burg, you know? I don't know, I just
knew it was a diamond. I got diamonds, but nothin' THAT high class.
Peace.
Profound
game when he ain't got one leg to stand on (I'm a cracker). Ayee-body
jus' hatin' on yo ass, is all (I smell like broccoli). They don't wanna
hear the real son, word! (I have a house in the 'burbs). Even tho' you
not brown skin, you a nigga at heart cause you keepin' it real (just
like me; I have the Jay-Z bootleg too!, I downloaded it. How hard is
that?). Peeps dissin' the Armani spex? Nigga please (sometimes I borrow
my dad's wool polo coat, which I call the 'Lo coat, son).
What I'm tryin' to spit, is that it's haaard to survive on the net.
After I read yoor post about them backpacker niggaz (a clever,
suspicious bunch), I've noticed that them Jurrassic five niggaz be
replyin' to all your dumbass posts. They jus' hatin' tho, fo real.
Keep your head up like Tupac said. And like Nas said, the world iz
yours, son. Like Jay-Z+ Puffy said: ain't no nigga (ps--you're not black
and either are yoo) gonna hold me down. One.
Del tha Funkeehomosapien (I'll whup your ass at Tekken 3)
Ya played Ab? naw! Ya played yourself
quality that is dope to me. Couple that with the fact that he can rhyme.
I would clown the shit out of him If I heard his goofy ass voice rhyming
Shook Ones Part 2, but he acknowledges that isnt his style and I respect
him for it.
Pace, Absint
Nocturnal Hermit
<kga...@cs.ucsd.edu> wrote:
>What's the name of the track?
Its called "Proto Culture" here is a link to a real audio version
http://www.hieroglyphics.com/sounds/del/realaudio/proto_culture.ram
You can check out and article about Del at the Sega Dreamcast release
party it also has lyrics to Proto Culture.
http://www.hieroglyphics.com/features/dreamcast_party/
BUGGZY415
>about it?
Why would you make a song about killing someone, or selling drugs? Let's assume
for argument's sake that Mobb Deep really do kill on the regular and sell
drugs....they don't, but let's say they do, aight? So how is them making songs
about hustling and shit different from Del making a song about video games or
whatever the fuck else he likes to do? See my point? Maybe that's why so many
of us on here feel Del/Pharcyde/J-Live, etc. over Mobb Deep/Nas Esco,
etc.....because most of us on RMHH are more likely to grab the controller and
play some Playstation as opposed to grabbing the AK-47 and capping some fools,
ya feel me? But it's all love, I ain't tripping off you for not liking Del's
joint....that's your preference, and at least you gave the joint a chance, I
still haven't heard it. I'm just trying to answer your question.
GoldenChild
Fatboy Roberts
>
> The fuckin' guy is a nerd. This clown made a song about playin' video
> games. This is the type of shit ya'll feel? C'mon now, you're
> supposedely using "both sides of the brain" and you couldn't think of
> somethin' more interesting to rap about? I don't condone anything done
> by Hiero, or The Pharcyde, just 'cause I can't stand to hear nerds on
> the mic. And I know what you're gonna say......"Well, just because
> they're not talkin' about sellin' coke and killin' people, and ice that
> doesn't mean it's not dope". I'll tell you what though, I'd rather hear
> a rapper talk about his crime stories all day than hear a song about
> Donkey Kong and shit. And don't get all offended like Del is your Father
> or somethin', 'cause thats weak. One Luv.
I am the geek of hip hop
Let's not forget, children.
Well, me and Raekwon. That was a geeky lookin muhfucka in
high school, huh? Geeky lookin now, actually.
What separates a rich, superstar geek from your regular,
garden variety geek? The rich geek snorts coke. He's froze
and fuckin hoes, but he's still a geek. That's why I think
we got so many frustrated, angry youngbucks: They all scared
of being caught out there in their geekiness, so they cover
it up and shit...
What sample? What sample does the man use? And is there a
mention of NBA Live? I cannot, CANNOT be beat one on one in
that game. Im-fucking-possible.
I'm notorious I'll crush you like a Jellybean,
Fatboy
Fatboy Roberts
>
>
> i'm beginning to think that LS may actually be a psychologist or
> sociologist...maybe he's studying web-hip hop or newsgroup or just hip hop
> culture...i have a feeling we might be the subject of his master thesis or
> something.
It'd be a long thesis. I remember his ass showing up on RMHH
like, in 97 or something. That's a lot of study time. Same
addy, too.
And you know he's lovin that this thread is mostly about
him, and not about Del. I'm kinda lovin it, too. Funny shit
is poppin up.
>
> I mean, look at the title of this header.
> Look at his arguement.
> Then look at the responses.
>
> They're all exactly what you would expect.
>
No shit. Some funny, but there's good points in there.
> Maybe he's just trying to piss people off...it's quite possible. It's a way
> to get attention and pass time i suppose.
> It's not like there aren't thousands of individuals just like that in cyber
> space...
>
You know what's funnier (sidetrack alert) I've visited other
ng's and the amount of talk that goes on there about
"Trolling" (I'd never seen the word on usenet before until I
checked out other ng's) almost always outnumbers the number
of messages by legitimate "trolls" It's like calling
attention to themselves. Then it's like, it gets to the
point where anyone with a dissenting opinion gets eventually
labeled a "troll" and discussion of anything is almost
impossible because all you have is "Yeps" and "Yeah's" and
"I agree" and so forth. It's amazingly stupid.
Anyway, the point is Thank God RMHH ain't like that. We like
our little hellraisers in here. I like to think it's because
hip hop heads (especially those on the net) are way more
open minded to other avenues of thought.
And now, On with the countdown...climbing up the charts to
number 5..
Fatboy
Tre' Boogie
news:21619-38...@storefull-217.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> The fuckin' guy is a nerd. This clown made a song about playin' video
> games. This is the type of shit ya'll feel? C'mon now, you're
> supposedely using "both sides of the brain" and you couldn't think of
> somethin' more interesting to rap about? I don't condone anything done
> by Hiero, or The Pharcyde, just 'cause I can't stand to hear nerds on
> the mic. And I know what you're gonna say......"Well, just because
> they're not talkin' about sellin' coke and killin' people, and ice that
> doesn't mean it's not dope". I'll tell you what though, I'd rather hear
> a rapper talk about his crime stories all day than hear a song about
> Donkey Kong and shit. And don't get all offended like Del is your Father
> or somethin', 'cause thats weak. One Luv.
Well, he's just "keepin' it real, dun". Del does what he does. And he
doesn't just talk about video games. And I've heard the new album..it's
pretty fucking dope. Don't sleep on it when it drops.
And don't get offended...cuz that's weak.
Peace
Tre' Boogs
Fatboy Roberts
>
> I'm not a 17 year old from Q.U. PJ's, I'm a 18 year old from Q.U. PJ's.
> Astoria PJ's, not Queens bridge, apartment 108 A Cambridge Court complex
> to be exact, zip code 11102 areacode 718.
Why are you tellin us this shit? Besides it being a little
sketchy to do in the first place. I mean, if we're gonna
doubt you, you posting your address ain't gonna change
nothin.
> And I don't got a Regal I got
> a Acura.
You misunderstood that one. He was saying you had a
Pathfinder or some shit, laughin at us Degree havin
motherfuckers in our Buick Regals.
or at least that's how I read the analysis..
> And I sure don't got a degree, I plan on gettin' one though.
> Here's the thing though, I don't "slip out of character", because I
> don't have one in that sense, I have character but not A character, hear
> me? I haven't budged since day 1 up in here, why? 'cause I'm myself, if
> anything, ya'll are characters, molding yourselves to fit in with the
> others and what not,
Okay, this is where I've always differed with you, man.
There is NO WAY, no way, that anyone responding to you in
this thread, is posting this for some kind of acceptance
from rec.music.hip-hop. No one's gonna go "Yo, so and so
replied to me, I'm DOWN now." "Yo, so and so got my back in
that GC thread, we're like boys now" We're all just words on
a screen to each other. Some of us have talked on the phone,
maybe, some maybe even seen each other, but for the most
part, we're just words on a screen. You think these cats are
in here, changing personalities and shit to fit in with
people they will more than likely never, ever meet? You
kinda make it seem like there's a grip of us who will wait
for someone to say something, and then we'll all go "yup yup
yup yup.." There's far more arguments over shit in here than
agreements.
> I don't do that, that maybe why I don't get along
> with most of the cats in here. I don't make posts to get anyone mad,
> thats the truth, but what I will say is that it is amusing to see you
> soft skin niggas flip over dumb ass shit. Tender cats. I didn't say Del
> was a wack MC, he's a average MC to me, with stupid ass topics.
Besides this video game thing, what stupid ass topics has he
done? I can think of two that had no redeeming qualities
whatsoever. I'm not saying the cats never fucked up before,
but I wanna know what consistently stupid ass topics he's
used, in your opinion.
> I don't
> have anything against video games, I don't play much, but when I do it's
> okay, It's kinda fun I guess. But why the fuck would you make a song
> about it?
Why not? Why make a song about nothing? Why make a song
about how you can suck your own dick? Why make a song about
shooting a bitch up? Why make a song about sewing an asshole
closed and feeding and feeding and feeding? Why make a song
completely adapted from a movie?
Entertainment value, I guess. I dunno. I figure if an
artist wants to do the shit, explore different areas with
his art, he should do the shit. Whether or not I want to
hear it after checkin it out is a different matter.
> I'm the type that I like to feel a song. That song about video
> games got a decent beat and the rhymes are good, but it's just stupid
> yo, it's wack.
Decent beats+Good rhymes = Wack? c'mon man. One or the
other. Because you're saying the concept is weak but he
flips it, but it's wack because he's a nerd? That's fuckin
stupid, man. You talk of snobbery and shit. That's an
extreme case right there. "Yo, this beats aiight, and he
got some good lyrics in here, but fuck him, he's a nerdy
muhfucka. This song is ass."
Is that the same as some cats goin "Nas is all about that
coke shit anymore. The lyrics are aiight and the beat is
bangin, but FUCK That song is wack?" yeah. Is that what some
cats do in here? yeah. Is that what you like to harp on kids
in RMHH about? Yeah?
Why you doin it then?
At least you gave it a listen, though.
I like to feel songs sentimentally, and if you feel that
> song sentimentally then you a fuckin' nerd just like that nigga.
Is that song meant to be felt emotionally? Are we supposed
to go "Damn, yo, I remember that one day Charles Woodson
intercepted my shit in Gameday 99...that was fucked up, yo.
Pour out some liquor!" Nah, we're probably supposed to laugh
at it's goofy ass.
Different songs have different intentions.
Ya'll
> should be ashamed of yourselves though,
For what? words on a message board that maybe 50 people who
are nerdy muhfuckas anyway are gonna read? Be ashamed of
disobeyin your momma. Be ashamed of stealin from the church
collection. Be ashamed of tappin that hoodrat when you know
she 15. DONT be ashamed of defending your opinion.
> if someone that never saw this
> group before came in here for the first time he'd say "Damm, Sensaye is
> makin' these fools look like bitches". Because ya'll have a fit over
> everything I say,
Nah, not really. Just posts like this. You've made a few
posts recently that got little responses here and there,
nothin big, mostly agreein with ya.
People will respond to shit that has some relevance to them.
Calling Del a nerd for rappin about video games and sayin
anyone that likes it is a nerdy muhfucka too who should be
ashamed of himself for postin to a newsgroup about it is
gonna probably provoke some responses.
If you're a friend theres no need for alarm,
Fatboy
ogami
>
> I got brown skin dummy, I'm Central American.
In other words, take off that yellow shit, and smack that doo rag off
your dome, son
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GoldenChild wrote:
>
> "The fuckin' guy is a nerd."
bwahahaha! this post was fresh.
a-...@prodigy.net
he called yall tender!
Fatboy Roberts
>
> he called yall tender!
This just made me laugh my ass off. I, for whatever reason,
pictured Kadeem Hardison in White Men Can't Jump standing
behind Wesley Snipes and saying this.
Are we goin to sizzler?
Fatboy
disorganized
things that people find inflammatory, and he can exhibit a temper, but
he posts a lot of good things too, and I give him a lot of respect for
actually _listening_ to different genre's of rap, _then_ stating an
opinion (whether its the popular one or not), instead of writing that
something is
wack, without hearing it.
Awhile back, someone made a post, that they were new to hip hop, listed
a few things he had heard. Sensaye, made an organized, very detailed
post of albums he should look out for from the early 80's on up. I
thought it was cool to take the time out to do that for someone who's
new to the scene and break it down like that. I've been reading this
group for almost a year, and yes, Sensaye has made some brash
statements, no, I don't always agree with him........but he's alright in
my book.
Now, back on topic. The cut in question is "Proto Culture" f/Khaos
Unique. It's one of my favorite cuts on the album, and if you're a video
game freak, you'll love it even more! It has a jazzy little piano type
loop going through it, (sorry, I'm not one of the talented people here,
that can name samples), I'm wondering if its from a video game? I had
never heard Del before coming across a (clean) promo of "Both Sides of
the Brain" yesterday. I can't tell you how much I enjoyed the album,
most of my favorite tracks were the one's produced by Del himself. Today
I went back to the store, and picked up (the only other Del album they
had there) "No Need For Alarm" just on the strength of "Both Sides".
I'll pick that up too, when it comes out legit.
regards,
Dis.
ogami
thats funny, I always thought of him as a little tender, like some shit
would happen if he caught a certifiable case and got sent up where I was
at.
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post such as this one. no one is attacking your lifestyle or personality, but
whenever you get a chance you post constantly about what your wear, etc.
personally i dont care, i dont post what i am wearing and what i got everytime
someone disagrees with my post. its obvious that we have different tastes, but
if you make a post *illest mc* or whatever....surely you must realize that
people will post opinions too. apparently you dont feel ashamed of your
posts....why should anyone else. i tell like i see it too, but i dont know you
personally so i wouldnt direct my posts that way.
so what you are saying in this post is that we should either agree with you or
not post at all? sorry we all have different tastes in this newsgroup...and we
arent all nerds, just different tastes...it seems like you like to post this
stuff and when people respond you make a post like this one:.
> I don't make posts to get anyone mad,
>thats the truth, but what I will say is that it is amusing to see you
>soft skin niggas flip over dumb ass shit. Tender cats. I didn't say Del
>was a wack MC, he's a average MC to me, with stupid ass topics. I don't
>have anything against video games, I don't play much, but when I do it's
>okay, It's kinda fun I guess. But why the fuck would you make a song
>about it? I'm the type that I like to feel a song. That song about video
>games got a decent beat and the rhymes are good, but it's just stupid
>yo, it's wack. I like to feel songs sentimentally, and if you feel that
>song sentimentally then you a fuckin' nerd just like that nigga.
peace~~nomadik
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goldenchild, why are you such a close minded ass retard? apparently you
think someone who wrote a song about videogames did it only because he
couldn't think of anything else to rhyme about? nah, you see, del is and has
always been a huge videogames fan, so it was sort of like a tribute. he's
even said in interviews he'd like to design videogames so that song is truly
about something he relates to. yeah i know what you're thinking right now,
del's one big ass nerd right? but you know what...del does one song about
videogames and you trip but ie., raekwon dedicates two whole albums to the
sopranos and you find reason to complain about del? where does the problem
lie? what do you think both sides of the brain means? to me it doesn't mean
finding the thirteen hundredth way to tell a recycled story about some stick
up kid. and you know what, i listen to all types of hip hop so you can't
argue that it's because i don't relate. i have friends who were gang
bangers, sold different shit, got busted and all that crap. many people
have, so what? i don't live that life personally, do you? if not then you
must be a mafioso nerd since you seem so obsessed with all that. it's not
that i care what you listen to but i do find your criticism overwhelmingly
amussing.
KSG
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Before you buy.
Kaz
>find inflammatory, and he can exhibit a >temper,
>but he posts a lot of good things too, and I >give
>him a lot of respect for actually _listening_ to
>different genre's of rap, _then_ stating an
>opinion (whether its the popular one or not),
>instead of writing that something is
>wack, without hearing it.
Oh please, you sound like this kid's fuckin' nanny.
"I step to writers and let my virus hurt-the- closest/ I'm sick as
hepatitis and worse than tuberculosis"
-Rakim
KSG
>
> What separates a rich, superstar geek from your regular,
> garden variety geek? The rich geek snorts coke. He's froze
> and fuckin hoes, but he's still a geek. That's why I think
> we got so many frustrated, angry youngbucks: They all scared
> of being caught out there in their geekiness, so they cover
> it up and shit...
I know more paid geeks doing what they like than any other kind of folk. Bill
Gates and Paul Allen are the canonical examples. Can you get more geeky? I
know another guy worth about a billion and another worth several billions.
All computer scientists.
One of my friends attended a CS dinner recently and one of the guys commented,
"I think this is the only dinner we've had where at least one person wasn't
worth several hundred million dollars".
I'm trying to be all about geekiness.
And what's the name of this song? I wanna peep it. It sounds interesting.
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STRATEGY3
>From: Fatboy Roberts
There it is.
STRATEGY
jdg
the oh so controversial song is called 'protoculture'
"born asian...born JEWISH...born latino...born poor...BORN DEAD!!!!"
-Ice-T
BUGGZY415
>can't have the opinion.....personally, i could give a shit about what
>the general populace feels about any mc/mc's i dig.
That brings up a point that I really can't understand when it comes to Golden
Child's posts: Sure, he says a lot of the stuff that he says simply to get a
charge out of us, but the question is, WHY does it get such a charge out of you
guys? It really does seem like heads on here take it personal when GC disses an
emcee you like. Sometimes I wonder if you guys are related to Siah and Yeshua
or Del or whoever else he might diss. Do y'all have something invested in these
emcees, why does it matter so much if GC rips into one of them? Do you get a
percentage of their profits? And what blows my mind even more, is that it STILL
gets such a charge out of everyone *and he's been doing it for almost 2
years*....I mean, I can kinda understand how someone causes a ruckus when he
first hits the scene, but c'mon, y'all should be used to it by now. BTW, I
don't really have any problems with GC, I guess the only thing that would
bother me is his sensitivity when one of HIS favorite emcee's gets dissed,
considering how often he rips other emcee's.
msg
wrote:
> I know more paid geeks doing what they like than any other kind of
> folk. Bill Gates and Paul Allen are the canonical examples. Can you
> get more geeky?
isn't it ironic that so much of 'thug rap' is about 'power, money,
respect' and the savage quest for it mirrored by the geek technology
world? 'shook ones pt 2' should be about silicon valley runnin the eff
away from gates and his fortunes.
whatever.
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> You're all missing the point. WE ARE ALL GEEKS posting on this newsgroup,
> using the internet, using computers !!!!!! You think other people think it's
> 'cool' to spend hours on the net per day ? We're the NERDS !!!!!!
> Including Goldenchild !!!!!
How true. :)
Except maybe OverTIME. That dude ain't no nerd.
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interject- can someone PLEASE explain to me why Uncle L's career "is
over" yet so many people NEVER EVER bitch about Will Smith sucking?
Why don't people ever rag on the Fresh Prince? Could it be because
everyone, whether they choose to admit it or not, knows L has skills and
that TFP is just bad meaning bad not bad meaning good?
> LL, hang it up son, PLEASE.
> Your career is OVER.
Tre' Boogie
> had there) "No Need For Alarm" just on the strength of "Both Sides".
> I'll pick that up too, when it comes out legit.
Good girl! NO Need is so ill. It's one of my favorite albums. Plus it holds
one of the most unusual hip-hop anomalies EVER....
Catch a Bad One is one of Del's best....and it was produced by
Casual..LOL..hahaha.
That's almost oxymoronic to me.
Peace
Tre' Boogie
Stone Monkey
universally accepted as wack. LL at least shows a little potential, and we
know what he's capable of. Will Smith has always been cornball. It's
like...we all grew up and he didn't (musically). I know not one person who
claims to be a Will Smith fan. LL just pisses people off because he HAS
come fat in the PAST. I dunno, just my opinion. Fuck em both.
peace
jason
Z?
wack. The only people who don't know Will Smith is wack are either
white, over 35 or under 12 or they work for MTV. LL Cool J still has a
rather large(though dwindling) fanbase. I personally used to like both
back in the day, but then I grew up. Hopefully everyone will get tired
of them soon.
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my growing distaste for mankind, from those who, thus far, have
not."-Jhonen Vasquez
Endus
<treboo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I went back to the store, and picked up (the only other Del album they
>> had there) "No Need For Alarm" just on the strength of "Both Sides".
>> I'll pick that up too, when it comes out legit.
>
>Good girl! NO Need is so ill. It's one of my favorite albums. Plus it holds
>one of the most unusual hip-hop anomalies EVER....
No doubt. No need is probably my "most listened to" hiphop album
(I've got in on right now). Just about every track on it is ill.
Catch a bad one is dope as hell esp. in the car with a sub that hits
low and stoppy...ahhhhh. Thank Youse is phat too...I never discovered
it until recently but now it's one of my favorites on that CD.
I don't know what's up with this thread...Del is off the fuckin'
hook...nobody has a phatter flow than him. I groove to Del more than
any other rapper hands down. I mean if every song was about video
games then he might be a little nerdy but Del kicks hella knowledge on
his albums about all different shit.
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Peter Agoston
Co Co Brovas made a song sampling Mario Bros.
Up until maybe last year or the year before, you had to be
a geek to rap. At least at some point in your life you had to
be characertisically labeled as a 'geek' to sit somewhere
and write raps, or freestyle. To be able to consciously
think up and formulate raps, you had to either think like
a 'geek' or be a 'geek'. Meaning, utilizing devises such as critical
thinking, contemplating vocal arrangments, breath-control,
where you want to put ad-libs, etc. Not even starting with
what you're going to be writing about. Subject matter alone,
you got all types of geeks.
Geeky sounding people like Maestro Fresh Wes or Erick Sermon
Geeky subject matter, fuck it, anyone from Raekwon, to Chubb
Rock to Public Enemy. (i.e. songs about shoes, that spoiled milk
song, claymation video).
To lay overdubs/ad-libs is really geeky. Have you ever been in
the studio with someone when they're laying ad-libs. Critically
thinking when is the best time to say "Yeah" or "Uhh Huh" is
pretty geeky.
Historically rappers always used to be the geeks in school too.
Granted they eventually got pussy and money and lots of it, eventually.
But at one point they were all on some sillyness to get their
rhymes off. But again, most of that has changed with the times.
Rapping has become more of a fashion show than anything and
the people that used to clown and/or misunderstood the original
rappers have now become rappers (or at least that is my theory).
All with check lists on how they should appear in public and what
exactly they should rap about and how they should answer questions
in interviews. Personally, I appreciate geeks more than anything because
they don't treat Hip-Hop like the cold machine its becoming. If
appreciating detail is 'geeky', fuck it I don't care. I'm make mine
no matter what and I hope all corn-rowed, Avirex jacket wearin'
extortionists (fronting as rappers) go to hell with Joe Clair, Big Tigga,
all commercial radio djs, review writers for The Source, industry
party regulars, materalistic people (especially bitches), Benie Segal
fans, Eve fans, Da Brat fans, Freddie Foxxx for making that song
on that soundtrack, and 13 year old white girls at Eminem shows.
Culturama
> > The fuckin' guy is a nerd. This clown made a song about playin' video
> > games. This is the type of shit ya'll feel? C'mon now, you're
> > supposedely using "both sides of the brain" and you couldn't think of
> > somethin' more interesting to rap about? I don't condone anything done
> > by Hiero, or The Pharcyde, just 'cause I can't stand to hear nerds on
> > the mic. And I know what you're gonna say......"Well, just because
> > they're not talkin' about sellin' coke and killin' people, and ice that
> > doesn't mean it's not dope". I'll tell you what though, I'd rather hear
> > a rapper talk about his crime stories all day than hear a song about
disorganized
>Oh please, you sound like this kid's fuckin'
>nanny.
Correct! I am his virtual nanna. You're a little cranky today Kazzie
baby, so it's either Time Out, or a nap, after milk and cookies. Pick
one.
Or..........
Slide down a razor blade into a vat of alcohol.
Charter a private plane, with a faulty engine to fly over the Amazon
rainforest. Crash, but survive.
Go in costume as a Racoon at a Hound Dog family reunion.
Run with the bulls in Pamploma, with your shoe laces tied together.
Drink Tropical Fantasy by the case.
Go to the zoo and drop your wallet in the poisonous snake pit.
Date Al Green's ex and get a hot grits facial.
Book a flight on Valu-Jet.
Attend the Strongest Man in the World competition and stand under one of
the logs, those Swedish guys throw around.
Go for a swim in the Indian Ocean, with a pork chop tied around your
neck.
BTW, did anyone ever tell you, that you are one sexxxxxy muthfka when
you're peeved!!??!!
Dis.
applesauce
(GoldenChild) wrote:
> And another thing, the kid sayin' I seem fake because I
>talk "ghetto" sometimes, but also sometimes my intelligent writing
>abilities come out, or some ignorant shit like that. Man listen
man you got this shit all twisted around...straight exasperation shit.
read some words when i type them.
it has nothing to do with you being from the pj's. It has to do with
authenticity. I can recognize genuine street shit when i see
it...it's not all the difficult, and it's not even to say that that's
a subservent mode of communication. fuck people who say it is for
that matter.
what i'm saying is your hood talk seems forced. like you don't
naturally talk that way, but you do when you post. it just seems like
this big ass front.
but whatever. you're the man, i'm just visiting.
"If you feel your shoes ain't untied then don't even trip."
---Upski
Jason Baker
underneath, navy blue GAP carpenter jeans, Polo boxers, and CCM socks.
Quotashun
"nomadik" <jamt...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000114072221...@ng-fp1.aol.com...
> you post your opinion and people respond. if someone disagrees you write
a
> post such as this one. no one is attacking your lifestyle or personality,
but
> whenever you get a chance you post constantly about what your wear, etc.
> personally i dont care, i dont post what i am wearing and what i got
everytime
> someone disagrees with my post. its obvious that we have different
tastes, but
> if you make a post *illest mc* or whatever....surely you must realize that
> people will post opinions too. apparently you dont feel ashamed of your
> posts....why should anyone else. i tell like i see it too, but i dont
know you
> personally so i wouldnt direct my posts that way.
>
> so what you are saying in this post is that we should either agree with
you or
> not post at all? sorry we all have different tastes in this
newsgroup...and we
> arent all nerds, just different tastes...it seems like you like to post
this
> stuff and when people respond you make a post like this one:.
>
> > I don't make posts to get anyone mad,
> >thats the truth, but what I will say is that it is amusing to see you
> >soft skin niggas flip over dumb ass shit. Tender cats. I didn't say Del
> >was a wack MC, he's a average MC to me, with stupid ass topics. I don't
> >have anything against video games, I don't play much, but when I do it's
> >okay, It's kinda fun I guess. But why the fuck would you make a song
> >about it? I'm the type that I like to feel a song. That song about video
> >games got a decent beat and the rhymes are good, but it's just stupid
> >yo, it's wack. I like to feel songs sentimentally, and if you feel that
> >song sentimentally then you a fuckin' nerd just like that nigga.
>
>
Redeem
changing some formats but shit didn't work. And to add, regarding the
whole Del/GC issue, music shouldn't be deined anything, any
topic(unless certain resaons pertain). Music is capable of covering
every topic and that's the appeal, different people are gonna feel
different subject, that why we different(yawn).
And no offence to Sensaye or anyone else, but who the fuck cares? Like
that post about whether he is 'real' or not, I couldn't give 18 little
pieces of feces about it.
.....Redeem.....
BUGGZY415 wrote in message
<20000114123228...@ng-cb1.aol.com>...
Plexxxx (Half Man, Half Amazin)
whole "Mike Burke giving up hip-hop" experiment/debacle.
My whole take on this is...who cares, I mean everybody has an opinion, you
like Del, you don't like Del, you're on the fence like I am...I haven't
heard Del put out any great stuff since No Need For Alarm, I mean I thought
Future Development was boring, same with his last "12, his first album was
dope, No Need was dope and the old B-sides and remixes are nice too...but I
ain't feeling his newer stuff, but that's me, I'm sure some of you love that
shit and that's cool. What I wanna know is Goldenchild's definition of a
"geek", Nas could have been considered a geek, he used to draw comics and
shit, I don't know if Jay-Z was ever a geek, but he sure is geeky looking,
you can't deny that. Most emcees at one time or another are considered
geeks by their peers.
You can't judge a geek by it's cover, look at some of the geekiest folks out
there and they are stone killers, Bernard Goetz, Eric Harris & Dylan
Kleibold, Kip Kinkel, hell any dude who shot up a school in the last few
years.
I'm Plexxxx baby, who's you?
Kaz
>sure is geeky looking, you can't deny that.
Nah, Jigga looks retarted.
Kaz
>fly over the Amazon rainforest. Crash, but
>survive.
I'll pick this one, I always wanted to go to South and Central America.
If I catch some jungle disease like malaria you'll have to be my nanny
and nurse me back to health..
WUZ! DVL
GoldenChild wrote:
> The fuckin' guy is a nerd. This clown made a song about playin' video
> games. This is the type of shit ya'll feel? C'mon now, you're
> supposedely using "both sides of the brain" and you couldn't think of
> somethin' more interesting to rap about? I don't condone anything done
> by Hiero, or The Pharcyde, just 'cause I can't stand to hear nerds on
> the mic. And I know what you're gonna say......"Well, just because
> they're not talkin' about sellin' coke and killin' people, and ice that
> doesn't mean it's not dope". I'll tell you what though, I'd rather hear
> a rapper talk about his crime stories all day than hear a song about
> Donkey Kong and shit. And don't get all offended like Del is your Father
> or somethin', 'cause thats weak. One Luv.
Damn, this thread is getting long! But I just have to have my say in this.
First let's talk about the relevance of your posting. I think a good measure
for the relevance would be: "How much would Del care about this if he came
across this?" I think it's fair to assume that he would care at all, cause
if he would, he would never have done the cut in the first place.
Personally, I haven't heard the song, but I know I wouldn't really care
about a song about videogames. A couple of years ago I would have, but now I
couldn't care less about videogames. But if it's well-executed or made
interesting in some way (like by making it funny) and maybe solely for the
beat, I might dig the song. But nevertheless, I would give Del props for
keeping his integrity. Because, I don't know about you, but I'd rather hear
someone rapping about something he knows a lot about than someone fronting
and taking a pose.
Own styles to each, that's what I'm for. Too many people sound like clones
these days in HipHop. Be honest to yourself: Which one of these would you
rather hear:
*Del, a computer nerd, rapping about dope computer games he's playing.
or
*Del, a computer nerd, rapping about killing people and selling drugs, which
is a big fucking lie.
I'd take the first possibility any day. Just like I'd rather hear a killer
rap about killing than computer games (supposing this killer doesn't know a
lot about computer games).
A while ago, me and my boy Jamal were talking about doing a track together,
but we couldn't find a topic. Then he comes with the topic: "Kids in third
world countries". I told him it was a great topic for a HipHop song, because
the problem is big and it needs more attention, but I can't write about it,
because I have no experience whatsoever with it. I can only write about
things I know about, things I've seen. I can't explain a feeling I've never
had.
--
Peace,
"I put my signature under perfection"
EURO HIPHOP:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/5145/
***MAJOR UPDATES BEEN DONE!!!!!***Don't sleep!
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Rane of Terror
some video game references in it.
I got my mind on a stickup, now it's time to get paid, thinking of ways to take
loot already made, it's crime in the air aint no time to be afraid...gimme
yours or get laid...give up the goods or get sprayed-Prodigy
Ralph Barbagallo
Hey, anyone that puts a Bernie Stolar and a Herzog Zwei reference in a rap
gets some kind of credit for me. I dunno exactly what for, but
hey--Protoculture just seemed like a goof they made up for the Dreamcast
launch. I thought it was pretty funny myself.
--
Ralph A. Barbagallo III --- fl...@concentric.net
--- http://www.concentric.net/~flarb --
disorganized
>Charter a private plane, with a faulty engine to
>fly over the Amazon rainforest. Crash, but
>survive.
>I'll pick this one, I always wanted to go to South
>and Central America. If I catch some jungle
>disease like malaria you'll have to be my nanny
>and nurse me back to health..
No way, you're on your own buddy!
regards,
Dis.
Dinkylover
Kaz_...@webtv.net (Kaz) wrote:
> >I don't know if Jay-Z was ever a geek, but he
> >sure is geeky looking, you can't deny that.
>
> Nah, Jigga looks retarted.
>
and his brother kane...my tatse in guys is really weird.
nomadik
>>
>I think he cute!!...but then I also like denis rodman..the undertaker
>and his brother kane...my tatse in guys is really weird.
i would say so...those are some of the ugliest fuckers out there...
Delirium
>
> The fuckin' guy is a nerd. This clown made a song about playin' video
> games. This is the type of shit ya'll feel? C'mon now, you're
> supposedely using "both sides of the brain" and you couldn't think of
> somethin' more interesting to rap about? I don't condone anything done
> by Hiero, or The Pharcyde, just 'cause I can't stand to hear nerds on
> the mic. And I know what you're gonna say......"Well, just because
> they're not talkin' about sellin' coke and killin' people, and ice that
> doesn't mean it's not dope". I'll tell you what though, I'd rather hear
> a rapper talk about his crime stories all day than hear a song about
> Donkey Kong and shit. And don't get all offended like Del is your Father
> or somethin', 'cause thats weak. One Luv.
If the guy isn't commiting crimes then he's not gonna be rapping about
it. Simple as that. Some like to make stories like jay-z and biggie...
some like to rap about what's real to them. If they guy's gonna put out
a song about video games... that's fine with me. Not hard enough for
you? Don't come with that he's a nerd shit. How many nerds pop cid and
other shit? Not many I know of... that's probably why the guy likes
video games so much.
Delirium
>
> Del isn't a geek, he's just different. He's always been a bit far out
> and unique, peep his first single "Bobdobalina". I remember Hiero was on
> Rap City a year and a half ago and Del was buggin' out in the back
> ground when the other members were spitting their freestyle. Some heads
> up in here were calling Del retarded after that. At a time when most
> emcees are rapping about the same shit, I can go for some Del.
>
> "I step to writers and let my virus hurt-the- closest/ I'm sick as
> hepatitis and worse than tuberculosis"
>
> -Rakim
Yeah he's definately on that far out tip. That's how most people are
after they do a lot of 'cid and other drugs. It's dope though, kinda
fresh if you ask me. His rhymes are dope too.
OHHLA Webmaster 'Flash'
says...
> Co Co Brovas made a song sampling Mario Bros.
Yeah, and I heard that shit on HipHopSite - it's fucking fat. :)
> Up until maybe last year or the year before, you had to be
> a geek to rap. At least at some point in your life you had to
> be characertisically labeled as a 'geek' to sit somewhere
> and write raps, or freestyle. To be able to consciously
> think up and formulate raps, you had to either think like
> a 'geek' or be a 'geek'. Meaning, utilizing devises such as critical
> thinking, contemplating vocal arrangments, breath-control,
> where you want to put ad-libs, etc. Not even starting with
> what you're going to be writing about. Subject matter alone,
> you got all types of geeks.
Say word. If anything I'd actually think that the fact most
rappers WERE geeks was how some of them got caught up doing dirt
in the first place - they were constantly being forced to prove
their realness to a critical and unsympathetic peer group. As for
idiots like Mysonne though, there is no excuse (but he's a wack
rapper anyway so he'd be better off being a nerd).
> Geeky sounding people like Maestro Fresh Wes or Erick Sermon
> Geeky subject matter, fuck it, anyone from Raekwon, to Chubb
> Rock to Public Enemy. (i.e. songs about shoes, that spoiled milk
> song, claymation video).
Hahahahah I should have put that in the "slept on gems" post
earlier. I +love+ "Don't Drink the Milk" - that shit cracks
me the FUCK up. WHYYYYYYYY? THE GOD DAMN MILK IS SPOILED!!!
> To lay overdubs/ad-libs is really geeky. Have you ever been in
> the studio with someone when they're laying ad-libs. Critically
> thinking when is the best time to say "Yeah" or "Uhh Huh" is
> pretty geeky.
I'm laughing my silly white ass off thinking about this. I'm
picturing Ice Cube standing there going "yeah, uh-huh, Ice Cube
the Mega Don, uh-huh, hah" - just standing there in the middle
of an empty studio with a pair of headphones on. I can't even
hear the track but I'm just laughing at him thinking it's fly.
> Historically rappers always used to be the geeks in school too.
I wonder. KRS-One has often come across as "the geek" for being
so political in his raps (at least early on) but he was a drop-out
who was self-taught right? KRS has always been that really weird
mix of street smarts and book learning. He betrayed the stereotypes.
> Granted they eventually got pussy and money and lots of it, eventually.
> But at one point they were all on some sillyness to get their
> rhymes off. But again, most of that has changed with the times.
> Rapping has become more of a fashion show than anything and
> the people that used to clown and/or misunderstood the original
> rappers have now become rappers (or at least that is my theory).
It has become fractured really. Back in the day a Kool G. Rap could
co-exist with a Big Daddy Kane because even though one was smooth and
the other was violent, they were both lyrical. Hip-Hop heads could
appreciate rugged raw rhyming as long as the MC had skills and the
lyrics were dope and the words flowed. After gangsta rap really
blew up though, that shit came apart at the seems. Lyrics started
having more to do with who was the hardest than who was the most
lyrically swift. You could get props for having the right kind of
voice and being smooth (a la MC Eiht) but the lyrics didn't matter.
That's led to where we are today - two whole subsets who are the
polar opposites of each other: the hardcore "real" thugs who do
real dirt with weak raps and the "nerd" MC's who probably never
lifted a gat but whose raps are the shiznit. Now that's not to say
some people can't occasionally still blur the lines between the two
(Ras Kass, Andre Benjamin, Prodigy) but it's not very frequent.
> All with check lists on how they should appear in public and what
> exactly they should rap about and how they should answer questions
> in interviews. Personally, I appreciate geeks more than anything because
> they don't treat Hip-Hop like the cold machine its becoming. If
> appreciating detail is 'geeky', fuck it I don't care. I'm make mine
> no matter what and I hope all corn-rowed, Avirex jacket wearin'
> extortionists (fronting as rappers) go to hell with Joe Clair, Big Tigga,
> all commercial radio djs, review writers for The Source, industry
> party regulars, materalistic people (especially bitches), Benie Segal
> fans, Eve fans, Da Brat fans, Freddie Foxxx for making that song
> on that soundtrack, and 13 year old white girls at Eminem shows.
Word. Isn't hip-hop supposed to be about making your own and not giving
a fuck about other people's standards? I know Anticon is wack to a lot
of people (and sometimes it's too far left field even for me) but at
least it's not the same old. They don't conform to the rules of hip-hop
that say you gotta be this kind of thug, or have these kind of rhymes, or
rap over this type of beat. When I hear great new albums it's usually
because the people involved decided to break the rules; whether they are
musical rules or HIP-HOP rules. That's why I'd give Aesop Rock or
L'Roneous Da'Versifier more props than Big Pun any day - even though Pun
is dope; he's really just on that same old thug shit. It ain't new.
Peace, Flash
GoldenChild
met anyone that did acid that wasn't a nerd. NEVER.
facetone
Legonda...@webtv.net (GoldenChild) wrote:
> What?! Acid is the drug of choice for every nerd on the planet. I NEVER
> met anyone that did acid that wasn't a nerd. NEVER.
I plead guilty
--
BUGGZY415
>> a geek to rap. At least at some point in your life you had to
>> be characertisically labeled as a 'geek' to sit somewhere
>> and write raps, or freestyle.
Why??? Man, all of you have 'geeks' stereotyped to a tee. A geek doesn't have
to be some straight A student who can recite every state capital, or reads
comic books. There were plenty of geeks at my school who had horrible GPA's. I
used to read a lot and have always written raps, and I was never a geek.
Sitting somewhere and writing, whether it's raps or stories or whatever, is a
hobby, not a geek activity. It does take a certain amount of intelligence and
critical thinking capabilities, but those things should not automatically be
associated with 'geekiness'. Man, one of the coolest, downest mothafuckas I've
ever known won our district spelling bee in junior high. He was the farthest
thing from a geek. I could go on and on. I really feel that this stereotypical
blueprint of what a nerd is plays a huge role in why so many youngsters don't
want to study or read newspapers, etc.
Buggzy
"On the mic I move the crowd like Big Pun stagediving"---Tash
Rikki O
BUGGZY415 <bugg...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000116222851...@ng-fl1.aol.com...
> Why??? Man, all of you have 'geeks' stereotyped to a tee. A geek doesn't
have
> to be some straight A student who can recite every state capital, or reads
> comic books. There were plenty of geeks at my school who had horrible
GPA's. I
> used to read a lot and have always written raps, and I was never a geek.
> Sitting somewhere and writing, whether it's raps or stories or whatever,
is a
> hobby, not a geek activity. It does take a certain amount of intelligence
and
> critical thinking capabilities, but those things should not automatically
be
> associated with 'geekiness'. Man, one of the coolest, downest mothafuckas
I've
> ever known won our district spelling bee in junior high. He was the
farthest
> thing from a geek. I could go on and on. I really feel that this
stereotypical
> blueprint of what a nerd is plays a huge role in why so many youngsters
don't
> want to study or read newspapers, etc.
exactly, people have it all wrong. a nerd or geek or whatever isn't about
what you do, it's about how you act. you know that goofy playa character
trying to score at the club martin portrays on the show? now that to me is a
type of nerd. kinda reminds me of someone up in here too.
Delirium
>
> What?! Acid is the drug of choice for every nerd on the planet. I NEVER
> met anyone that did acid that wasn't a nerd. NEVER.
Nerds don't do drugs.. they be cool, stay in school. Actually that's
pretty true all the guys i know who've popped are pretty geeky. It's
kind of a hippy thing i guess.
ogami
LA Crip set
BUGGZY415 wrote:
>
> >> Up until maybe last year or the year before, you had to be
> >> a geek to rap. At least at some point in your life you had to
> >> be characertisically labeled as a 'geek' to sit somewhere
> >> and write raps, or freestyle.
>
> Why??? Man, all of you have 'geeks' stereotyped to a tee. A geek doesn't have
> to be some straight A student who can recite every state capital, or reads
> comic books. There were plenty of geeks at my school who had horrible GPA's. I
> used to read a lot and have always written raps, and I was never a geek.
> Sitting somewhere and writing, whether it's raps or stories or whatever, is a
> hobby, not a geek activity. It does take a certain amount of intelligence and
> critical thinking capabilities, but those things should not automatically be
> associated with 'geekiness'. Man, one of the coolest, downest mothafuckas I've
> ever known won our district spelling bee in junior high. He was the farthest
> thing from a geek. I could go on and on. I really feel that this stereotypical
> blueprint of what a nerd is plays a huge role in why so many youngsters don't
> want to study or read newspapers, etc.
>
> Buggzy
>
> "On the mic I move the crowd like Big Pun stagediving"---Tash
--
--|------------
John Christ
Acid was a big punk rock drug at one time.
John the Baptist
"...there has not risen anyone
greater than John the Baptist...."
John Christ
OHHLA Webmaster 'Flash' wrote:
In article <P7Qf4.9219$B9.9...@news1.teleport.com>, vab...@teleport.net
says...
> Co Co Brovas made a song sampling Mario Bros.Yeah, and I heard that shit on HipHopSite - it's fucking fat. :)
> Up until maybe last year or the year before, you had to be
> a geek to rap. At least at some point in your life you had to
> be characertisically labeled as a 'geek' to sit somewhere
> and write raps, or freestyle. To be able to consciously
> think up and formulate raps, you had to either think like
> a 'geek' or be a 'geek'.
Meaning, utilizing devises such as critical
> thinking, contemplating vocal arrangments, breath-control,
> where you want to put ad-libs, etc.
What does any of the above have to do with being a geek?
Not even starting with
> what you're going to be writing about. Subject matter alone,
> you got all types of geeks.Say word. If anything I'd actually think that the fact most
rappers WERE geeks was how some of them got caught up doing dirt
in the first place - they were constantly being forced to prove
their realness to a critical and unsympathetic peer group.
Really all you are saying is that rappers had the same
exact peer pressures as anyone else. Do you not think that hard core gang
members, drug dealers, and murderers also had the same peer pressures?
Rappers being caught up in crime for trying to prove themselves not "geeky"
is comedy.
As for
idiots like Mysonne though, there is no excuse (but he's a wack
rapper anyway so he'd be better off being a nerd).> Geeky sounding people like Maestro Fresh Wes or Erick Sermon
> Geeky subject matter, fuck it, anyone from Raekwon, to Chubb
> Rock to Public Enemy. (i.e. songs about shoes, that spoiled milk
> song, claymation video).Hahahahah I should have put that in the "slept on gems" post
earlier. I +love+ "Don't Drink the Milk" - that shit cracks
me the FUCK up. WHYYYYYYYY? THE GOD DAMN MILK IS SPOILED!!!> To lay overdubs/ad-libs is really geeky. Have you ever been in
> the studio with someone when they're laying ad-libs. Critically
> thinking when is the best time to say "Yeah" or "Uhh Huh" is
> pretty geeky.
Really? how is that "geeky"?
I'm laughing my silly white ass off thinking about this. I'm
picturing Ice Cube standing there going "yeah, uh-huh, Ice Cube
the Mega Don, uh-huh, hah" - just standing there in the middle
of an empty studio with a pair of headphones on. I can't even
hear the track but I'm just laughing at him thinking it's fly.> Historically rappers always used to be the geeks in school too.
I wonder. KRS-One has often come across as "the geek" for being
so political in his raps (at least early on) but he was a drop-out
who was self-taught right? KRS has always been that really weird
mix of street smarts and book learning. He betrayed the stereotypes.
In the high school I went to most of the rappers were
part of a criminal element.
> Granted they eventually got pussy and money and lots of it, eventually.
> But at one point they were all on some sillyness to get their
> rhymes off. But again, most of that has changed with the times.
> Rapping has become more of a fashion show than anything and
> the people that used to clown and/or misunderstood the original
> rappers have now become rappers (or at least that is my theory).
Obviously my background is much different then yours.
I can not even contemplate a scenario in which rappers were being clowned
by anyone at all. of course with exception to the weaker ones. I was always
under the assumption that MC was one of the coolest labels a youth could
attain.
Im sorry, but the only thing I see this thread doing is changing the meaning of "nerd" and "geek" in order to include a type of rapper that is not very popular in the broad sense. Like you would be less popular a part of a Junior Varsity team as opposed to a Varsity team it is still a sport, and you are still a jock. I though MCing was still about rocking crowds and battling. Nerds do not rock crowds. They make speeches and win applause. Geeks do not battle. They debate and spaz. There is a difference between being taught to play chess by your grandfather, playing for money in the park, and joining the chess club at school.
All this thread is sating is that anyone who has any capacity to think critically or logically is a "geek". Which includes more people then not while simultaneously does not include a certain people who I would say are geeks, or nerds.
I always thought nerds and geeks were the people who were not cool because they... lacked self esteem, had problems socializing, had strange interests, were introverted, explained maters over technically, had no sense of style, formed social groups around scholastic interests or science fiction material, utilized a slang associated with technical matters, etc. etc..
I always thought that MCs were the coolest. And the only thing more cool was a drug dealer or ganbanger. Then again, I did did go to high school in the late eighties, in a city.
Everyone knew that the coolest of the cool were those who were able to stay cool and still get through school.
Nerds and geeks had no respect, while rappers had
all the respect.
I do suppose I could imagine that in a rural area
a Hip-Hop enthusiast could be seen as a geek. But in the city it was just
a natural part of youth the culture. There was no question as to you involvement
in Hip-Hop, you just were, I guess unless you were a geek.
OHHLA Webmaster 'Flash'
enemy.com says...
> Is there a difference between a "nerd" and a "geek"?
>
> meaning of "nerd" and "geek" in order to include a type of rapper that is not
> very popular in the broad sense.
Don't blame us for that John, that was GoldenChild's idea.
> Like you would be less popular a part of a
> Junior Varsity team as opposed to a Varsity team it is still a sport, and you
> are still a jock. I though MCing was still about rocking crowds and battling.
And since Del does both, a lot of us are questioning why he is a nerd.
Apparently, from the GoldenChild point of view (which we are challenging)
he's a nerd because he rocks a crowd without rocking a Rolex, and he's a
nerd because he rocks crowds with DreamCast light guns instead of gats.
> Nerds do not rock crowds. They make speeches and win applause. Geeks do not
> battle. They debate and spaz. There is a difference between being taught to
> play chess by your grandfather, playing for money in the park, and joining the
> chess club at school.
That wasn't the issue. The issue was intelligence = wack rapper or that
intelligence = rhymes that aren't "real" hip-hop for some reason.
> All this thread is sating is that anyone who has any capacity to think
> critically or logically is a "geek". Which includes more people then not while
> simultaneously does not include a certain people who I would say are geeks, or
> nerds.
That is the point. By the definition set forth, Chuck D and KRS-One
would be "nerds" when I would argue they are anything but.
> I always thought that MCs were the coolest. And the only thing more cool
> was a drug dealer or ganbanger. Then again, I did did go to high school in the
> late eighties, in a city.
Now we're getting down to the nitty gritty semantics. The antithesis of
being cool would be a geek; the antithesis of being retarded would be a
nerd. Now take Organized Konfusion's example of Roosevelt Franklin: he
got all A's in school but he couldn't let his peers know because it would
rub off his "cool" and make him look like a geek. Meanwhile he +was+
cool because he flaunted big money and sold drugs on the corner but he
couldn't let the teachers in his school know because it would affect
their "nerd" appreciation of him and how he played them for good grades.
Roosevelt Franklin walked a tightrope between being cool and a geek; and
sometimes he had to act retarded for one peer group and like a nerd for
the other. That's a hard act to maintain. Me, myself, I gave up trying
to be cool a long time ago. It took up too much time and energy I had
better use for. By being a geek and a nerd, it simplified life - I
played a role and fit it to the tee. I knew what to expect from others
and they knew what to expect from me. You're right - in the city it
might have been "cool" for me to be as down with hip-hop as I was but
where I grew up it was actually a demarcation of how much of a geek I was
because I wasn't listening to "cool" rock or country. The definition of
cool is always proportionally relative to the "cool" of your peer group.
> Everyone knew that the coolest of the cool were those who were able to stay
> cool and still get through school.
Why the hell your mother named you Roosevelt, Franklin, I don't know..
> Nerds and geeks had no respect, while rappers had all the respect.
Again, therein lies GoldenChild's argument - he's arguing that Del is too
"nerdy" for hip-hop; thus not cool; thus not worthy of respect except to
hip-hop heads who must themselves be "geeks and nerds" because they can't
appreciate "cool" hardcore rap. His peer group obviously finds the
rawest and most rugged hip-hop "cool" so anything even slightly less than
that to him is uncool and geeky.
GoldenChild
desperation move in a arguement. Del is not only a nerd because he makes
songs about video games and shit, he's a nerd just 'cause of how he
acts. He does acid, he's a video game freak, from what I understand he
collects pokemon cards, he talks like a geek, he acts stupid as Hell,
and he looks gay, thats why. I don't think any MC without a rolex is a
geek, Black Thought, Common, Rakim, Mobb Deep (even thought I'm sure
they all got Rolies, what a heartbreaker)I got no problem with them. I
like a MC who's got style though. Del is a decent to good MC, he's not a
wack MC, he's just a wack nigga. Stop gettin' mad, you act like Del is
your boyfriend. I can't identify with bein' a nerd, sorry, I was never
in my life a nerd, I know alot of ya'll were and still are nerds, so it
offends you. And another thing, the kid sayin' I seem fake because I
talk "ghetto" sometimes, but also sometimes my intelligent writing
because I'm from the inner-city/projects, doesn't mean Ii can't write
and speak properly. I naturally talk like a regular street nigga, but if
I have to write or speak properly for whatever reason, I can do that
too. It's almost like I know two languages. Let me quote Diamond D -
"Hood nigga, but I can talk to the whitey". When I'm at a place of
business I talk the way I have to, when I'm on the street or at the crib
I talk the way I want to, and the way I naturally speak. It's amazing
how hard it is for some of you to understand shit, and whats more
amazing is how naive some of you are. What, every nigga from the PJ's is
supposed to just play basketball and puff lye? Man, you sound like a
angry old white lady who just saw a Wu-Tang video. One.
"Shed tears as we bury niggas close to the heart/ was once a friend, now
a ghost in the dark/ it made my heart cold, the nigga got smoked by a
fiend/ flossin' on 'em, blind to a broken Man's dreams" - 2pac -
(Project survivor, by the way).
Rikki O
GoldenChild <Legonda...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:4544-388...@storefull-213.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> because I'm from the inner-city/projects, doesn't mean Ii can't write
> and speak properly. I naturally talk like a regular street nigga, but if
> I have to write or speak properly for whatever reason, I can do that
> too. It's almost like I know two languages. Let me quote Diamond D -
> "Hood nigga, but I can talk to the whitey". When I'm at a place of
> business I talk the way I have to, when I'm on the street or at the crib
> I talk the way I want to, and the way I naturally speak.
so you're billingual, how impressive. did you put that down on your job
application? hey, i bet that's how you moved up the work chain so quickly!
just kidding, i know del's a nerd and you're like, the coolest!
SMysterio5
>interject- can someone PLEASE explain to me why Uncle L's career "is
>over" yet so many people NEVER EVER bitch about Will Smith sucking?
true dat miss bee i see the similarities (except i think everyone has already
spoken their piece on will...LL still tries to come raw and at the same time
have the crossover joints, even after canibus ripped into him).... but are you
saying that joint will did with the biz and slick rick is not Fresh? :-) what
happened with the rest of "willenium" is history though.
-mysterio (NC)
miss_bee
it's "fresh".
>.... but are you saying that joint will did with the biz and slick rick
is not Fresh?
GoldenChild
ignorant shit I ever heard. The thing is I can't talk to ya'll like I
talk to niggas on the street, because you geek niggas either don't
understand me or you try to play me on some "You hooked on Mobb phonics
dun". Fuck ya'll cats.
miss_bee
NOT from the Eddie Murphy movie.
You're probly too young to remember that movie, anyway.
KSG
You're tryin' too hard son. Remember, "When I buy franks I make sure
they're Hebrew".
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miss_bee
> they're Hebrew".
Shit, Biz is like the ORIGINAL nerd and he still rocks.
The Philosopher
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John Christ
OHHLA Webmaster 'Flash' wrote:
In article <38833526...@public-enemy.com>, johnthebaptist@public-
enemy.com says...
> Is there a difference between a "nerd" and a "geek"?
>
> Im sorry, but the only thing I see this thread doing is changing the
> meaning of "nerd" and "geek" in order to include a type of rapper that is not
> very popular in the broad sense.
Don't blame us for that John, that was GoldenChild's idea.
No, what Im talking about is people who see themselves
as nerds who want to be associated with their rapper heroes so they label
them nerds as well.
> Like you would be less popular a part of a
> Junior Varsity team as opposed to a Varsity team it is still a sport, and you
> are still a jock. I though MCing was still about rocking crowds and battling.
And since Del does both, a lot of us are questioning why he is a nerd.
Apparently, from the GoldenChild point of view (which we are challenging)
he's a nerd because he rocks a crowd without rocking a Rolex, and he's a
nerd because he rocks crowds with DreamCast light guns instead of gats.
That is why GoldenChild is wrong. Nerds just do not poses the charisma to rock a crowd, or the heart to enter a battle.
> Nerds do not rock crowds. They make speeches and win applause. Geeks do not
> battle. They debate and spaz. There is a difference between being taught to
> play chess by your grandfather, playing for money in the park, and joining the
> chess club at school.
That wasn't the issue. The issue was intelligence = wack rapper or that
intelligence = rhymes that aren't "real" hip-hop for some reason.
That is why I asked the question. I guess maybe I missed the sarcasm of your views. But this statement didn't really seam sarcastic, was it?
"Say word. If anything I'd actually think that the fact most
rappers WERE geeks was how some of them got caught up doing dirt
in the first place - they were constantly being forced to prove
their realness to a critical and unsympathetic peer group."
> All this thread is sating is that anyone who has any capacity to think
> critically or logically is a "geek". Which includes more people then not while
> simultaneously does not include a certain people who I would say are geeks, or
> nerds.
That is the point. By the definition set forth, Chuck D and KRS-One
would be "nerds" when I would argue they are anything but.
> I always thought that MCs were the coolest. And the only thing more cool
> was a drug dealer or ganbanger. Then again, I did did go to high school in the
> late eighties, in a city.
Now we're getting down to the nitty gritty semantics. The antithesis of
being cool would be a geek; the antithesis of being retarded would be a
nerd. Now take Organized Konfusion's example of Roosevelt Franklin: he
got all A's in school but he couldn't let his peers know because it would
rub off his "cool" and make him look like a geek. Meanwhile he +was+
cool because he flaunted big money and sold drugs on the corner but he
couldn't let the teachers in his school know because it would affect
their "nerd" appreciation of him and how he played them for good grades.
Roosevelt Franklin walked a tightrope between being cool and a geek; and
sometimes he had to act retarded for one peer group and like a nerd for
the other. That's a hard act to maintain. Me, myself, I gave up trying
to be cool a long time ago. It took up too much time and energy I had
better use for. By being a geek and a nerd, it simplified life - I
played a role and fit it to the tee. I knew what to expect from others
and they knew what to expect from me. You're right - in the city it
might have been "cool" for me to be as down with hip-hop as I was but
where I grew up it was actually a demarcation of how much of a geek I was
because I wasn't listening to "cool" rock or country. The definition of
cool is always proportionally relative to the "cool" of your peer group.
I guess that is because you grew up in farm woods or wherever. In the cities Hip-Hop is the essence of "cool".
And then there are just some people who are "cool" by nature.
When I myself was in high school, I was perfectly
able to move in many social circles, during school. But after school I
was with the criminal element, by choice. I spent my time in the projects,
not up on the hill where I was also welcome, mostly. My gpa was very poor,
yet I was in the upper 90% of students when it came to test scores. At
first one would assume that my low grades were caused by wanting to fit
in with friends and the like, a natural scenario. But I was not at all
afraid of anyone knowing of my intellectual abilities. Everyone who knew
me understood perfectly well that I was capable of a 4.0 if I chose. My
low grades actually represented a rejection of society, in particular the
public school system and the lies that were taught (combined with a refusal
to waist my free time doing home work). Point is, some people are just
cool by nature. Dare I say "kool".
> Everyone knew that the coolest of the cool were those who were able to stay
> cool and still get through school.
Why the hell your mother named you Roosevelt, Franklin, I don't know..
> Nerds and geeks had no respect, while rappers had all the respect.
Again, therein lies GoldenChild's argument - he's arguing that Del is too
"nerdy" for hip-hop; thus not cool; thus not worthy of respect except to
hip-hop heads who must themselves be "geeks and nerds" because they can't
appreciate "cool" hardcore rap. His peer group obviously finds the
rawest and most rugged hip-hop "cool" so anything even slightly less than
that to him is uncool and geeky.
I think it is more of not appreciating the fact that rocking the mic in the very first place is the essence of "coolness" . If Del were not an MC, then he probably would be a "geek". And probably GoldenChild is upset by the fact that no matter how many nerd tendencies Del my portray, no matter how much gold and jwels GC dons, no matter how many pokimon cards Del collects, no mater what car GC drives, no mater how Del's video game knowledge increases, he will always have access to more pussy than he, a salesmen (nerd).
John Christ
eman l. luf wrote:
> When I myself was in high school, I was perfectly able to move in many
> social circles, during school. But after school I was with the criminal element, by
> choice. I spent my time in the projects, not up on the hill where I was also welcome,
> mostly. My gpa was very poor, yet I was in the upper 90% of students when it
>came to test scores.
>that I was capable of a 4.0 if I chose. My low grades actually represented a
>rejection of society, in particular the public school system and the lies that
>were taught (combined with a refusal to waist my free time doing home work).
>Point is, some people are just cool by nature. Dare I say "kool".
ahem, you are not very sure of yourself, are you? now, don't worry
john, everything will be fine, you just have to accept yourself and
accept that you may not be talented in every field. believe me, all
will be well and you don't have to be ashamed of sleeping with a
teddybear under your arm anymore than you have to be ashamed
of sobbing vigorously when the night falls.thank you, you can all go to bed now and remember: you are not
alone! we are here for you, we are your friends!
Why thank you. And God bless.
Steve Clark
"eman l. luf" <w@w.w> wrote in message
> > When I myself was in high school, I was perfectly able to move in many
> > social circles, during school. But after school I was with the criminal
element, by
> > choice. I spent my time in the projects, not up on the hill where I was
also welcome,
> > mostly. My gpa was very poor, yet I was in the upper 90% of students
when it
> >came to test scores.
represented a
> >rejection of society, in particular the public school system and the lies
that
> >were taught (combined with a refusal to waist my free time doing home
work).
> >Point is, some people are just cool by nature. Dare I say "kool".
I'm the same way, dude... fuckin' 1550 on my SAT's (best score in my whole
school), but I can't even crack the top 10% of my class as far as GPA goes
(I know, that sounds not too bad, but not being in the top 10% really hurts
when it comes to applying for scholarships, believe me... I don't even wanna
think about the money I've lost out on). I just have such a hard time doing
that homework (I honest to God CAN'T get myself to sit down and write out
definitions or answer questions or whatever when I could be hangin' with
friends, listening to music, on the net, etc.), which drags down my grades
even if I get A's on almost every final.
But, of course, I can't blame anybody but myself. Just lettin' ya know
you're not alone, man.
PEACE!
Steve Clark
stev...@home.com
Andrew Ryan Chang
>Let me guess, you got your name from that line in "The World is Yours",
>NOT from the Eddie Murphy movie.
>
>You're probly too young to remember that movie, anyway.
Hey, I sorta remember it (now that you mention it) and I'm not
that old! But it wasn't all that great a movie, from what little I
recall.
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TJ Xenos
>I'm the same way, dude... fuckin' 1550 on my SAT's (best score in my whole
>school), but I can't even crack the top 10% of my class as far as GPA goes
>(I know, that sounds not too bad, but not being in the top 10% really hurts
>when it comes to applying for scholarships, believe me... I don't even wanna
>think about the money I've lost out on). I just have such a hard time doing
>that homework (I honest to God CAN'T get myself to sit down and write out
>definitions or answer questions or whatever when I could be hangin' with
>friends, listening to music, on the net, etc.), which drags down my grades
>even if I get A's on almost every final.
>
>But, of course, I can't blame anybody but myself. Just lettin' ya know
>you're not alone, man.
>
>PEACE!
>Steve Clark
>stev...@home.com
Im definitely feelin what you're saying, i got like a 1350 but shoulda had
close to a perfect score but i was on 2 and a half hours of sleep (partying the
night before was more important than studying/resting) and i spent half the
test scopin this girl sitting next to me. Anyway, i think i stopped doing
homework and shit somewhere around 3rd or 4th grade. I ended up failing
english senior year coz i wrote like 2 papers out of the 11 assinged, but i
mean how am i sposed to be motivated to work when i could be out with my boys
instead? I ended up having to take a summer course at community college and
flipped an A- so i guess all's well that ends well...
T.J. Xenos
t...@kra.sh
The Philosopher
>english senior year coz i wrote like 2 >papers out of the 11 assinged, but i
>mean how am i sposed to be motivated to >work when i could be out with my boys
>instead?
Oh, the memories. It was only 7 months ago and I was a high school senior. I
think 2nd Semester Senior is the easiest, and funest time you'll have in you're
life for a LONG time. I mean, no need to worry about your grades (mine sank
down the gutter), coz you're already in college and you're all set. Skip
classses and write your own notes. *Legal* open lunch...I know it seems petty,
but to enjoy all those privileges when you're in high school is a lot.
And it ends (at least in Maryland) with the traditional annual Senior Beach
Week. The whole class rents beach houses (7-15 in each)..co-ed, no authority
anywhere to contend with other than random checks by landlords looking for
kegs. Even the cops were cool....2nd semester senior (especially beach week)
was the best time of my life. I don't think I'll ever have that much fun
again.
Ofcourse all that fun and lazying around comes back to haunt many college
freshmen, who end up flunking and having to drop out of their college, they get
demoralized move on to community college, then they hate it, and eventually
they say f(%k it and drop out all together.
regards,
Madrox II, The Philosopher
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you wish you knew who I was
The fuckin' guy is a nerd (pink suit?). This clown made a song about
killing people. This is the type of shit you feel? C'mon now, you're
supposedely using "both sides of the brain" and you couldn't think of
somethin' more interesting to rap about? I don't condone anything done
by Jay-Z, or DMX, just 'cause I can't stand to hear hardasses gimmicks
on
the mic. And I know what you're gonna say......"Well, just because
they're talkin' about sellin' coke and killin' people, and rapin 15
year olds and ice
that
doesn't mean they're cretins". I'll tell you what though, I'd rather
hear
a rapper talk about everyday or original shit like video games all day
than hear a song about how your dick fit into a dead corpse. And don't
get all offended like Nas is your
idol
or somethin', 'cause that'd make you a kissass. One Luv.
Mike Burke
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