DEFEND or BASH the following Hip-Hop cities and regions
Kuahmel Allah
And I almost forgot too....
This week, inspired by the renewed East/West war in here, and the fact that
this was always a hot topic in my mind, it's time to get into what Hip-Hop
cities are really important to Hip-Hop and really putting it down.....I'll
allow liberties to be taken this time, so you can expand from Hip-Hop to the
music in general that came from that town.
The only rules:
-You must say DEFEND or BASH before expanding on your call. If you're
indifferent or undecided, just state that you can't call it.
-The field is already set. No adding on.
Let's do it...
DEFEND or BASH the all-time overall contributions and the future of:
Los Angeles (SoCal)
New York City/New Jersey
The Bay Area
Detroit
London
Chicago
Atlanta
Toronto
Philadelphia
Miami
The Mid-Atlantic (DC, Virginia, Carolina)
Boston
Have at it, ladies and gentlemen....
--Kuahmel Allah, Los Angeles
"LOS ANGELES!!!"--Krondon
"For God's sake, eat a burger!!!"--Calista Flockhart
"I rep for the hood!!!"--RossAndersen
locdogjr
> Los Angeles (SoCal)
DEFEND - not only is it a dope 'west coast sound' place but it also has some
DOPE underground hip-hop with PUTS, J5, etc
> New York City/New Jersey
DEFEND - hip-hop was born here and many of the best artists still come from
there
> The Bay Area
DEFEND - I love the way they seem to support their own and their own scene.
Dope ass music too, if not a little hard to know whats new and happening
there.
> Detroit
BASH - Eminem, Jay Dee and ICP do not make a dope scene. Athletic Mic
League is dope, but no big reason to love the D.
> London
BASH - I really don't know of any really good music coming out of there,
although I bought a dope Yoda and Greenpeace album once.
> Chicago
BASH - Common, thats it, and he turned all pussy.
> Atlanta
DEFEND - lots of great music, Outkast and Ludacris alone make this city
great. Throw in cee-lo and the goodie mob and I CAN'T bash it.
> Toronto
DEFEND - Kardinal, Saukrates, Tara Chase, Eternia, Maestro, Dirty Swift
(produced 50 cents 21 questions), and MANY others.
> Philadelphia
BASH - oooohhhh beanie siegel, freeway and the fresh prince. Jazzy Jeff
almost makes it cool.
> Miami
BASH - Don't know too much about the scene.
> The Mid-Atlantic (DC, Virginia, Carolina)
DEFEND - Nottz, the Neptunes, clipse and little brother.
> Boston
DEFEND - So many great underground cats from here Akrobatik, Mr Lif, 7l and
eso, Guru is from here.
-loc
PainInDaAss82
DEFEND. alchemist, cypress hill, j5, puts, dilated peoples, etc.
>New York City/New Jersey
DEFEND.the mecca of hip hop. where you can walk down the street on any day and
catch a cipher. the place that produced rakim for christs sake.
>The Bay Area
BASH. nope, it aint no east or west thing cause as you can see i've defended LA
because they actually drop good music. the bay area on the other hand...doo
doo. havent really heard ANYTHING good since i've been here since september
(though some people i've met who rap without putting shit out and just do it
for fun or trying to get on are kinda nice).
>Detroit
BASH. icp peoples
>London
i dont know, havent heard too much international hip hop (though the world
recording to rza is off the hook)
>Chicago
DEFEND. it's common sense duke.
>Atlanta
DEFEND. the dungeon family clique. and ludacris mothafuckas. yeah, ludacris is
tha shit
>Toronto
can't comment
>Philadelphia
DEFEND. journalist, beanie sigel, jakk frost, kilogram, jazzy jeff, cash money,
etc.
home of the world renowned greatest dj's, and the place where gangsta rap
STARTED peoples.
>Miami
BASH. honestly, everything i've heard that came out of the florida area was
weak
>The Mid-Atlantic (DC, Virginia, Carolina)
DEFEND. mad skillz
>Boston
when i think boston, i think benzino. and gangstarr never ever reps boston. so
BASH.
"Jay said it best when he asked that bitch
Ma, would you love me if I wasn't so rich?" - Havoc
JuiceRoc
defend.
i doubt rap would have done much expansion in the west if not for LA. Laid the
groundwork for the whole west coast.
>New York City/New Jersey
defend.
How can you bash the birthplace?
>The Bay Area
defend. Many many classics out the bay. most of th music i listen to today is
bay area stuff from the pre 99 era. still bangin out dope stuff today, just
aint gettin the push it used to. some folks need to hook up with some good
distro.
>Detroit
bash.
bash is a harsh word for it, but we only got these 2 options. detroit hasnt
done much quantity or quality in terms of major contributions. never been big
on eminem, and their top prospect is jay dee. hes good but not great.
>London
bash.
why is london even on the list? have they made any contributions at all? all i
know of london is cats who try to tell us what hip hop should be like its
theirs.
>Chicago
da brat, twista, r kelly (yeah i know he aint a rapper, fuck yall), common, do
or die. the city of chi has made some very solid contributions. very diverse as
far as rap goes.
>Atlanta
defend.
capital of the dirty south. very fertile out of the trunk market out there.
hella underrated artists out that way. mr pookie has some heat. kast, ludacris,
lil jon and jd put atl out there in a big big way. big southern flavor from
atl. (even if the beat styles are jacked from bay area stuff) plus trina has a
nice ass.
>Toronto
defend.
ill say quality makes up for the lack of quantity in this case. its hard to
name many names, but i know i like the stuff that ive heard from this town.
>Philadelphia
defend.
much, much quality out of this town. the roots are pioneers in rap out there.
they also revolutionized the r&b sound as well. eve, beans and freeway all got
heat as well.
>Miami
defend.
more southern flavor here. trick daddy...home of strip club rap...boy if it
wasnt for miami the popularity of the thong and booty shakin would not be where
they are today. they also made it publicly acceptable to do freky shit. i am
thankful for that.
>The Mid-Atlantic (DC, Virginia, Carolina)
again...quality making up for a lack of quantity. just got put onto little
brother...heat, mad skills, one of the best punchline rappers in the game,
petey pablohas some crunk shit...timbaland changed the game and owned the radio
from 97 till the neptunes got big and took over. missy elliott is a real good
writer and a good singer ( id ont care what yall say) theres others but i cant
think of them right now.
>Boston
bash.
who is from boston? all i think of when i hear boston is the celtics and
cheers.
Kuahmel Allah
bash.
bash is a harsh word for it, but we only got these 2 options.<<<
Your other option was to go in the middle and not call it...
JuiceRoc
>doo. havent really heard ANYTHING good since i've been here
i think you are just determined to not like anything from the bay because you
dont like 40.
>>Philadelphia
>
>DEFEND.......>the place where gangsta rap
>STARTED peoples.
scuse me?
PainInDaAss82
>>doo. havent really heard ANYTHING good since i've been here
>
>i think you are just determined to not like anything from the bay because you
>dont like 40.
nope that dont got nothing to do with it.
actually i forgot about the heiroglyphics from oakland when i was posting
>
>>>Philadelphia
>>
>>DEFEND.......>the place where gangsta rap
>>STARTED peoples.
>
>scuse me?
what you mean scuse you? ask anyone in this newsgroup who schooly d is.
JuiceRoc
>bash is a harsh word for it, but we only got these 2 options.<<<
>
>Your other option was to go in the middle and not call it...
its a strong enough feeling about it not to say undecided, but not strong
enough to really say bash. but i just went the bash route since its leaning
more toward bash than defend.
JuiceRoc
>you
>>dont like 40.
>
>nope that dont got nothing to do with it.
either that or you just dont like straight lace game spittery. bet you would be
liable to like a lot of bay stuff if they had east coast accents. if you dont
like it cool, but you are wrong for callin it wack. have respect where its due.
>>>DEFEND.......>the place where gangsta rap
>>>STARTED peoples.
>>
>>scuse me?
>
>what you mean scuse you? ask anyone in this newsgroup who schooly d is.
i dont know anybody who thinks of schooly d when they think of gangsta rap. far
as im concerned, the west created, innovated and perfected that craft. i give
philly its credit, but i do not credit gangsta rap to philly.
Kuahmel Allah
far
as im concerned, the west created, innovated and perfected that craft. i give
philly its credit, but i do not credit gangsta rap to philly.<<<<
Hell, a lot of people credit KRS with establishing gangster rap....
But to be real, being the founder of gangster rap is a dubious credit to
take...
PainInDaAss82
>be
>liable to like a lot of bay stuff if they had east coast accents. if you dont
>like it cool, but you are wrong for callin it wack. have respect where its
>due.
nope, still dont got nothing to do with the accents, cause i LOVE oukast and
their accents are far from east coast type. they just know how to make tight
music, something the bay area cats dont really know how to do.
>i dont know anybody who thinks of schooly d when they think of gangsta rap.
>far
>as im concerned, the west created, innovated and perfected that craft. i give
>philly its credit, but i do not credit gangsta rap to philly.
you know noone who thinks of schooly d when they think gangsta rap?!?! what?!
heres a miscellaneous article, but the 2nd paragraph is the one that really
counts:
Hip-hop scene is rocked by killing
By Bobbi Booker
Tribune Staff Writer
The murder of Run DMC’s DJ Jam Master Jay has rocked the Philadelphia hip-hop
music scene to its core. The news that Jay (whose real name was James Mizell)
was killed in his Queens, N.Y. studio while recording two female artists has
really upset members of the hip-hop community.
“I don’t feel safe any more,” said rapper Schooly D. Like Mizell,
Schooly lives and records in Philadelphia because, “you don’t want to like
ostracize yourself in the community, cause that’s no good.” Although
Schooly D is recognized worldwide as the originator of “gangsta rap,” it is
a claim to fame he reluctantly holds. Now Schooly, 40, remembers a time when a
Black celebrity of note could be safe in his own neighborhood. “It was like,
‘We’re proud of a Black man doing something.’ And now I don’t feel
protected.”
Music producer Docta Shock noted that Mizell “was one of the few people who
stayed there (in his original community) and helped the kids there.”
Shock recalls the days Mizell stayed in Philadelphia, even recording some
artists for his successful Jam J Record label. “He never got his props as a
DJ. As crazy as Run and D got, you knew the only reason they didn’t go off
the chain was because of Jam Master Jay. He kept it professional. He was the
anchor.”
Mizell’s skills as a businessman helped pave the way to today’s era of
Black entrepreneurship in music. “J was probably the best show DJ. I love
Run DMC, but Jam Master J wasn’t just a DJ in the background. Public Enemy
could do a show without (their DJ) Terminator X. Run DMC without Jam Master Jay
is a whole other thing.”
All of Run DMC’s career milestones have been a milestone for rap itself. They
were the first rappers to appear on MTV, American Bandstand, Saturday Night
Live and the cover of Rolling Stone magazine. Their 20 million album sales
proved that rap could spawn mega-selling album artists. The group even
resuscitated the career of rockers Aerosmith with its “Walk This Way”—
and put rap on the Billboard Top 10 for the first time ever.
“Mizell is a very important and influential person in hip-hop, especially in
the history of hip-hop,” says Shock. “Run RMC is the reason all the MC’s
rhyme the way they do now. They changed hip-hop from guys with sequins to the
everyday cat. That is what they are responsible for, which is what you hear on
the radio now.”
dude created gangsta rap. the west blew it up without a doubt, but theres no
denying schooly d created gangsta rap in philadelphia.
suntzu
> Kuahmel Allah wrote:
>
>> "Folks, it's Friday, time for DEFEND or BASH!!!"--Jay Leno
>>
>> And I almost forgot too....
>>
>> This week, inspired by the renewed East/West war in here, and the fact
>> that
>> this was always a hot topic in my mind, it's time to get into what
>> Hip-Hop
>> cities are really important to Hip-Hop and really putting it
>> down.....I'll
>> allow liberties to be taken this time, so you can expand from Hip-Hop
>> to the
>> music in general that came from that town.
>> The only rules:
>> -You must say DEFEND or BASH before expanding on your call. If you're
>> indifferent or undecided, just state that you can't call it.
>> -The field is already set. No adding on.
>>
>> Let's do it...
>>
>> DEFEND or BASH the all-time overall contributions and the future of:
>> Los Angeles (SoCal)
>
>
> 2 cd's i ever owned were the chronic and doggystyle. and i love
> pharcyde and j5. i'm sure i'm forgetting other LA favorites.
>
>> New York City
>
>
> DEFEND, of course. the birthplace, and it's not like there's a lack of
> good shit still coming from there.
>
>> New Jersey
>
>
> DEFEND. i like redman, i like the fugees
>
>> The Bay Area
>
>
> DEFEND. i like the whole quannum crew (esp shadow), and i don't really
> check for e40 or any of those guys, but i like a lot of what i've heard.
> too $hort, the luniz. i played seasoned veteran for months after i got
> it.
>
>> Detroit
>
>
> no call. don't really know much about the scene there except for em and
> a couple of esham tracks. esham i'm neutral on, and i like a lot of
> em's stuff. haven't heard much ICP at all, but what i've heard isn't
> good, and i never hear people defending them. they also lose points for
> kid rock. but i imagine i'd like techno, since i like some other types
> of electronic, i just haven't really had time to check out the genre yet.
>
>> London
>
>
> no call. i like what i've heard of roots manuva. and i like that one
> streets song i've heard. but i don't think that's enough to make the
> call. although is that where in the UK slick rick's originally from?
> because they'd get major points for that alone.
>
>> Chicago
>
>
> DEFEND. i like what i've heard of twista and do or die. armand van
> helden's from there, right? i haven't heard much more than killing
> puritans, but i liked that album a lot. haven't heard much house other
> than that (that is house, right?), and i'm not sure whether i'd be into
> it or not, so i'm neutral on that unheard genre.
and common of course, forgot him for a second.
>
>> Atlanta
>
>
> DEFEND. outkast, goodie mob (i like the whole dungeon family really),
> ludacris, prefuse 73. sure, jermaine dupri sucks, but he can't outweigh
> the good stuff.
>
>> Toronto
>
>
> no call
>
>> Philadelphia
>
>
> no call. i like a lot of what i've heard from there, but i don't think
> it's a very representative sampling. i have a little schooly d, i like
> jazzy jeff, and eve can be really good sometimes. i've always heard
> they pioneered a lot on the early DJ scene, but i haven't actually
> checked the material out.
and the roots of course. an ironic omission since phrenology just
popped up on the changer a couple of hours ago. the straw that broke
the camels back and changed it to a solid DEFEND.
>
>> Miami
>
>
> no call. can't think of anything from there outside of 2 live crew.
>
>> The Mid-Atlantic (DC, Virginia, Carolina)
>
>
> DEFEND. timbaland and the neptunes make some of the best mainstream
> hip-hop beats i've ever heard. i like the pharoah monch (sp?) i've
> heard. don't know anything about go-go.
>
>> Boston
>
>
> DEFEND. home to guru and mr lif, and i'm a big fan of both of them.
suntzu
> "Folks, it's Friday, time for DEFEND or BASH!!!"--Jay Leno
>
> And I almost forgot too....
>
> This week, inspired by the renewed East/West war in here, and the fact that
> this was always a hot topic in my mind, it's time to get into what Hip-Hop
> cities are really important to Hip-Hop and really putting it down.....I'll
> allow liberties to be taken this time, so you can expand from Hip-Hop to the
> music in general that came from that town.
>
> The only rules:
> -You must say DEFEND or BASH before expanding on your call. If you're
> indifferent or undecided, just state that you can't call it.
> -The field is already set. No adding on.
>
> Let's do it...
>
> DEFEND or BASH the all-time overall contributions and the future of:
> Los Angeles (SoCal)
DEFEND. they've produced too much good stuff to get a bash. the first
> New York City
> New Jersey
> The Bay Area
> Detroit
> London
> Chicago
> Atlanta
DEFEND. outkast, goodie mob (i like the whole dungeon family really),
ludacris, prefuse 73. sure, jermaine dupri sucks, but he can't outweigh
the good stuff.
> Toronto
no call
> Philadelphia
no call. i like a lot of what i've heard from there, but i don't think
it's a very representative sampling. i have a little schooly d, i like
jazzy jeff, and eve can be really good sometimes. i've always heard
they pioneered a lot on the early DJ scene, but i haven't actually
checked the material out.
> Miami
no call. can't think of anything from there outside of 2 live crew.
> The Mid-Atlantic (DC, Virginia, Carolina)
DEFEND. timbaland and the neptunes make some of the best mainstream
hip-hop beats i've ever heard. i like the pharoah monch (sp?) i've
heard. don't know anything about go-go.
> Boston
DEFEND. home to guru and mr lif, and i'm a big fan of both of them.
>
suntzu
> "Folks, it's Friday, time for DEFEND or BASH!!!"--Jay Leno
>
> And I almost forgot too....
>
> This week, inspired by the renewed East/West war in here, and the fact that
> this was always a hot topic in my mind, it's time to get into what Hip-Hop
> cities are really important to Hip-Hop and really putting it down.....I'll
> allow liberties to be taken this time, so you can expand from Hip-Hop to the
> music in general that came from that town.
>
> The only rules:
> -You must say DEFEND or BASH before expanding on your call. If you're
> indifferent or undecided, just state that you can't call it.
> -The field is already set. No adding on.
>
> Let's do it...
>
> DEFEND or BASH the all-time overall contributions and the future of:
> Los Angeles (SoCal)
> New York City/New Jersey
> The Bay Area
> Detroit
> London
actually, i'm not up on my UK geography. is bristol lumped in with
london? because if so, i'll change to a strong DEFEND based on tricky,
massive attack, and portishead.
Jay Sidhu
Allah) wrote:
aah man you forgot New Orleans.
but i ain't mad at cha
peace!
"If one ni99a front I'ma make em both pay
Cause toniiiiight, we gettin off like O.J." - Q-Tip
noixe 2000
> BASH - Common, thats it, and he turned all pussy.
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?
Juice, All Natural fam, Matlock, Typical Cats/Galapagos 4, Vakill,
Rhymefest.
not to mention The Molemen, chester! what kind of a white hip-hopper in yer
20's are you?
Jay Sidhu
Allah) wrote:
>
>DEFEND or BASH the all-time overall contributions and the future of:
>Los Angeles (SoCal)
defend.
has always produced dope hip-hop and will continue to produce dope
hip-hop
>New York City/New Jersey
defend
cause it's the birthplace AND cause of all the influential music that
has came out of there. the future looks good but not as bright as the
past.
>The Bay Area
defend
so many influential shit came out in the past decade that it can't be
bashed:
spice 1, too short, richie rich, e-40, tupac (he was more bay area
anyways), luniz, dru down, rappin 4 tay, hieroglyphics, the list goes
on and on. can't call the future though
>Detroit
bash
they can't get props, aside from eminem, there's icp and kid rock.
damn.
>London
bash
i don't know of any artist that came from london that was of any
significance to the hip-hop scene. btw where did slick rick and monie
love come from?
>Chicago
can't call it
fast rap, underground rap, gangsta rap. if you said midwest instead
of just chicago then i woulda defended it.
>Atlanta
can't call it.
i'm split in the middle cause even though outkast is highly overated
and goodie mob sucks too, the dungeon family as a whole is pretty
tight. ludacris is good too but i can't think of anybody else from GA.
>Toronto
defend
there's so much dope music that's starting to come out and so much
diverse shit too. future looks bright and the present looks pretty
good too.
>Philadelphia
defend.
philadelphia's most wanted, last emperor, mountain bros., just a few
of the dope acts that came from this place. can't bash it, they
always contribute to the hip-hop scene
>Miami
bash
2 live crew's the only group i liked from here. jt money's not that
great
>The Mid-Atlantic (DC, Virginia, Carolina)
can't call it.
i'm split in the middle. mad skillz,timbaland, and missy elliot is
NOT a hip hop scene.
>Boston
bash
on the basis of benzino alone.
mr. lif and akrobatik are the only good things to come out of boston.
and here's my own suggestions:
New Orleans
defend
changed the face of hip-hop forever!!!
Cash money and no limit alone have put n.o. on the map. some of their
shit sucked but both label's initial releases were some really good
hip-hop
Compton
defend
nuff said
locdogjr
>
> Juice, All Natural fam, Matlock, Typical Cats/Galapagos 4, Vakill,
> Rhymefest.
>
> not to mention The Molemen, chester! what kind of a white hip-hopper in
yer
> 20's are you?
>
haha, apparently I'm out of mind because I don't own one thing from any of
those people
and anything I've heard didn't impress me
so chester yo self chester
-loc
Cruz Gracia
Created Gansta Rap......other than that.....will lose to the East all day
everyday
> New York City/New Jersey
Considered the "East" and the reason you even listen to hip-hop regardless
of where it came from.
> The Bay Area
Hmmm.....haven't really heard too much homo Rap.
> Detroit
Eminem.....one of the most lyrical niggaz out right now.....no one can fuck
with his flow right now.....black, white or chinese. (Anyone who ever grew
up poor is a nigga (do not confuse it with that....other word that people
seem to cry about) so shut your ass up....only wish he used the "n" in his
lyrics....) D-12 is garbage though though I respect Em for trying to get
them a deal.....Obie....gotta hear him.
> London
Slick Rick.....can't fuck wit da rulah
> Chicago
C'mon now.......really......please.
> Atlanta
Luda comes in first, Outkast second.....everyone else and for that the whole
south just sucks.....
> Toronto
Kardinal is the fucking man.......though I'm sorry I diss everything
Canadian.......I imagine "thugs" in the "T-Dot" to be preppies compared to
real thugs and would ass kicked by an American suburbanite.......though
Kardinal rhymes tight and the beats are awesome.....Sick is one of my
favorite songs. (To all you Canadians reading this do not cry.....I only
diss you in fun.....I will still go to your SARS-infested "country"
(giggle-giggle) and spend my blessed American dollar. :D
> Philadelphia
Philly is aight but c'mon it aint no NYC. The Roots are awesome
though......everyone else like Beanie, Eve, etc....just average. Will
Smith.....c'mon.....lol
> Miami
Trina could suck my dick......Trick Daddy justs sucks
> The Mid-Atlantic (DC, Virginia, Carolina)
See my southern comment......(it's below the Mason-Dixie.....lol)
> Boston
Sucks......Wackzino is gay.....
Dippi
"PainInDaAss82" <painin...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030523162659...@mb-m21.aol.com...
> >Los Angeles (SoCal)
>
> DEFEND. alchemist, cypress hill, j5, puts, dilated peoples, etc.
>
> >New York City/New Jersey
>
> DEFEND.the mecca of hip hop. where you can walk down the street on any day
and
> catch a cipher. the place that produced rakim for christs sake.
I hope ur puttin Rakim as part of the general area... not new york city...
make cash on a street called straight path...
TJ Xenos
>BASH - Eminem, Jay Dee and ICP do not make a dope scene. Athletic Mic
>League is dope, but no big reason to love the D.
Royce!
>> Chicago
>BASH - Common, thats it, and he turned all pussy.
Kanyeezy.
>> Miami
>BASH - Don't know too much about the scene.
miami BASS mufucka. 2 live crew is what we are.... Also, trick daddy is
fresh.
>> The Mid-Atlantic (DC, Virginia, Carolina)
>DEFEND - Nottz, the Neptunes, clipse and little brother.
SKILLZ!
>> Boston
>DEFEND - So many great underground cats from here Akrobatik, Mr Lif, 7l and
>eso, Guru is from here.
guru dont rep boston so fuck him. And esoteric is like the most jocked
mediocre rapper ever. However skitzofreniks, Ed OG, and a milion others i cant
think of make up for it.
T.J. Xenos
"Onward to the next case
smoking your weed
smashing your face!
Municipal Waste is gonna
FUCK YOU UP!!!"
TJ Xenos
>>>Philadelphia
>>
>>DEFEND.......>the place where gangsta rap
>>STARTED peoples.
>
>scuse me?
Schoolly D - PSK (what does it mean)
TJ Xenos
>> The Mid-Atlantic (DC, Virginia, Carolina)
>
>DEFEND. timbaland and the neptunes make some of the best mainstream
>hip-hop beats i've ever heard. i like the pharoah monch (sp?) i've
>heard. don't know anything about go-go.
Monche is from queens, which is in New York, last time i checked ;)
TJ Xenos
>Philadelphia
High & Mighty hasnt been mentioned yet and im mad disappointed :(
nes
your listening horizons a little more. Cruz I can see you not liking the
south, but the Mid-Atlantic ain't the same as the south. They got some
people in down here putting in work and you can't front on Timbaland, Missy,
the Neptunes, and NOTTZ..
I guarantee some joints you have felt from some NYC MCs have been blessed by
NOTTZ.. This kid is very slept on by MOST people, but if you really into
producers you should have heard of this kid. He's got heat and he's got
some shit that about to come out soon. Wait to you hear some stuff he did
with Ghostface and Kardinal.
"Cruz Gracia" <cgraci...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:gcBza.15609$Pz3.7...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
JuiceRoc
>defend
>changed the face of hip-hop forever!!!
>Cash money and no limit alone have put n.o. on the map.
remember when master p and tru claimed richmond?
>Compton
>defend
that would fall under LA
JuiceRoc
JuiceRoc
>
like i said, you aint got to like it, but at least respect it. you dont like it
but i know a million folks who do.
>Schooly D is recognized worldwide as the originator of “gangsta rap
like i said, i dont know anybody who thinks of schooly d when they think of
gangsta rap.
PainInDaAss82
>>
>
>like i said, you aint got to like it, but at least respect it. you dont like
>it
>but i know a million folks who do.
>
i do respect it, i respect all rap. i mean shit, they rap after all, they got
something to say. but if you're wack you're wack. thats not really disrespect.
>>Schooly D is recognized worldwide as the originator of “gangsta rap
>
>like i said, i dont know anybody who thinks of schooly d when they think of
>gangsta rap.
probably because it wasnt blown up by him, or they just dont know their hip hop
history. but the fact remains, he originated gangsta rap in philadelphia.
Josh Scott
> >>something the bay area cats dont really know how to do.
> >>
> >
> >like i said, you aint got to like it, but at least respect it. you dont
like
> >it
> >but i know a million folks who do.
> >
>
> i do respect it, i respect all rap. i mean shit, they rap after all, they
got
> something to say. but if you're wack you're wack. thats not really
disrespect.
By constantly saying how wack it is, you're not respecting it. I've been
arguing with you about this for how long now, and you still have no valid
points...you just don't like it...that doesn't mean it's wack.
> >>Schooly D is recognized worldwide as the originator of "gangsta rap
> >
> >like i said, i dont know anybody who thinks of schooly d when they think
of
> >gangsta rap.
>
> probably because it wasnt blown up by him, or they just dont know their
hip hop
> history. but the fact remains, he originated gangsta rap in philadelphia.
I'd consider it more thug-rap...
--
Josh Scott
sco-lo
noixe 2000
>>> Detroit
bash...lots of emcees, mostly crap. the only good thing to come out there
was some Jay Dee. (AML is boring, Invincible, uh, isn't...)
>>> Chicago
huge understated backpacker scene. lots of haters, but lots of good music.
Molemen hold it down.
>>> Miami
their underground is shit, but nuff respect to Slip'n'Slide and all those
who made thongs the hotness.
>>> The Mid-Atlantic (DC, Virginia, Carolina)
I can't really hate...Nottz, Neptunes, Missy, Timbo, Little Brother...who
*isn't* good from there? supafriendz used to be dope, they aint done much
lately tho.
>>> Boston
it has a hip-hop scene, not a nerdy-ass backpacker scene. if you don't like
el-p, you probably like everyone on Brick. and Mr. Lif can't be stopped,
although I'd like to hear a track where he acutally says what he's gonna do
when he overthrows the g'vt.
he's like the ralph nader of hip-hop.
PainInDaAss82
i dont think so, it was a defend or bash thread so i bashed the bay and gave my
reasons. i've been here for nine months and nothing's impressed me so far.
thats pretty bad. and most of it is wack...how is that disrespect if i dont
feel the music? if i dont feel some music, i consider it wack
I've been
>arguing with you about this for how long now, and you still have no valid
>points...
what kind of valid points would i have to have for not liking someones music? i
just dont feel the shit. i even tried to dead it, i downloaded 3 of them songs
on that e-40 list you gave me and i couldnt be shitted to download anymore of
them because the first 3 were so wack. and so i didnt post and didnt even reply
to that message cause i knew i couldnt tell you e-40 was wack, just like you
can't tell me he's dope. i decided we just needed to agree to disagree and left
it alone. i dont need validation to not like wack music
you just don't like it...that doesn't mean it's wack.
>
um, thats exactly what it means.
>> >>Schooly D is recognized worldwide as the originator of "gangsta rap
>> >
>> >like i said, i dont know anybody who thinks of schooly d when they think
>of
>> >gangsta rap.
>>
>> probably because it wasnt blown up by him, or they just dont know their
>hip hop
>> history. but the fact remains, he originated gangsta rap in philadelphia.
>
>I'd consider it more thug-rap...
>
first of all, theres not really a difference. tell me the differences. second
of all, it doesnt matter what you consider, because the whole world already
knows schooly d originated gangsta rap, its not a matter of consideration or
opinion, so thats a dead issue and we shouldnt be arguing it.
oh yeah and im listening to herioglyphics right now.
Lau Kar Fai 510
>From:
Oakland should get it's own entry.
Oakland has more rappers per square inch than even......
New York or Vallejo!!
STRATEGY
Lau Kar Fai 510
>>>Philadelphia
>>
>>DEFEND.......>the place where gangsta rap
>>STARTED peoples.
>
>scuse me?
This whole misconception that Schooly-D started gangsta rap, when in fact he
was just one of many inspirations for Ice-T, NWA, CMW, Ghetto Boys, etc.
STRATEGY
TJ Xenos
I thought u said a while back vallejo had the hghest rapper density in the
world?
Lau Kar Fai 510
>Hell, a lot of people credit KRS with establishing gangster rap.
Criminal Minded IS one of the major influences of the pioneering west coast
g-rappers. many, including Ice T & MC Ren have credited this album as being a
huge influence.
To me, the major influences were:
Criminal Minded
BumRush the Show
a couple of Schooly songs
Beastie Boys
Too Short
Rakim
I will explain any or all of these, if challenged.
But to credit it all to Schooly is just plain stupid, he was probably the least
of it.
His biggest specific influence is the fact that "6 In The Morning" is based on
PSK and "Boys In The Hood was subseqentally based on "6 In The Morning".
STRATEGY
Lau Kar Fai 510
>dude created gangsta rap. the west blew it up without a doubt, but theres no
>denying schooly d created gangsta rap in philadelphia.
>
Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
STRATEGY
Lau Kar Fai 510
>>Schooly D is recognized worldwide as the originator of “gangsta rap
somwhat, but that doesn't make it true.
STRATEGY
Lau Kar Fai 510
>From: juic...@aol.com (JuiceRoc)
>remember when master p and tru claimed richmond?
>
blood, i even got their first record somewhere, BEFORE he formed No Limit and
put out an EP on In-A-Minute.
I am not kidding, this is exactly what it said (and was spelled):
T.R.U. & Master Pee Presents: Master Pee and The Real Untouchables.
Dope!
STRATEGY
Lau Kar Fai 510
>From: talv...@aol.comoestas (TJ Xenos)
>I thought u said a while back vallejo had the hghest rapper density in the
>world?
yeah, but...
the city itself just isn't dense enough for that to be true, V-town has a lot
of big wide-open undeveloped space, Oakland does not.
Also, Oakland is about 1/4 the size of Vallejo.
Dd you know Oakland is about 350,000 people?
STRATEGY
TJ Xenos
>To me, the major influences were:
>
>Criminal Minded
>BumRush the Show
>a couple of Schooly songs
>Beastie Boys
>Too Short
>Rakim
The beastie boys? I definitely agree as far as liscense to ill, i mean, that
was one of the first records talking about gettin dusted and shootin people,
and then theres the obvious influence they had on cube, but other than that? I
mean, you cited specific albums by bdp and PE, and IMO shoud have done the same
here. Im not familiar with a lot of $hort dogs early output and how it
relates, and i dont really see the rakim influence (unless you mean
technically/stylistically as opposed to content wise?) if you'd care to explain
those 2 id appreciate it.....
>
>His biggest specific influence is the fact that "6 In The Morning" is based
>on
>PSK and "Boys In The Hood was subseqentally based on "6 In The Morning".
Say word. I think its more that 6 in the morning is considered to be the first
gangster song, than schoolly being considered the first g-rap artist. I love
the cat who said it wasnt gangsta rap, it was thug rap. I thought thug rap was
what NYC cats with gangster style content (mobb deep, etc) called themself to
differentiate them from the west coast acts...
Kuahmel Allah
Quite a few places I had to leave out, because it would again get too spread
out...
--Kuahmel Allah, Los Angeles
"LOS ANGELES!!!"--Krondon
"For God's sake, eat a burger!!!"--Calista Flockhart
"I rep for the hood!!!"--RossAndersen
TJ Xenos
>yeah, but...
>
>the city itself just isn't dense enough for that to be true, V-town has a lot
>of big wide-open undeveloped space, Oakland does not.
oh, so v-town has the highest rapper/person density and oaktown has the highest
rapper/area density? I think I got it.
>
>Also, Oakland is about 1/4 the size of Vallejo.
>
>Dd you know Oakland is about 350,000 people?
>
>
I dont know shit about vallejo except 40 water and them cats are from there
lol.
Kuahmel Allah
New Orleans
defend
changed the face of hip-hop forever!!!
Cash money and no limit alone have put n.o. on the map. some of their
shit sucked but both label's initial releases were some really good
hip-hop<<<<
>-The field is already set....you can't add on.
>>>Compton
defend
nuff said
<<<
Falls under "Los Angeles (SoCal)"
Kuahmel Allah
You have to say DEFEND or BASH. Play it right, fool....
Kuahmel Allah
>Date: 5/23/2003 10:57 PM Eastern
fuckin hater.<<<<
Troll is more like it...
Kuahmel Allah
>
> DEFEND.the mecca of hip hop. where you can walk down the street on any day
and
> catch a cipher. the place that produced rakim for christs sake.
I hope ur puttin Rakim as part of the general area... not new york city...
<<<
I was gonna say Tri-State Area, but I was afraid no one would understand...
Long Island counts as NY/NJ for our purposes....
Kuahmel Allah
>From:
Oakland should get it's own entry.
Oakland has more rappers per square inch than even......
<<<
Sorry, Oakland falls under the Bay Area as a whole....and I stopped just short
of lumping the Bay in NoCal in general....so be happy that I decided to be even
THAT specific!!
Kuahmel Allah
it has a hip-hop scene... Mr. Lif can't be stopped<<<
Michael Holley dropping Lif's name on ESPN's Around The Horn yesterday =
HIP-HOP
Kuahmel Allah
like i said, i dont know anybody who thinks of schooly d when they think of
gangsta rap.<<<<
Either mad young, hate the Northeast, or don't follow Hip-Hop....
Kuahmel Allah
I'd consider it more thug-rap...
<<<
Crips, Bloods, and eses aren't the only gangsters in the world....
TJ Xenos
>
>>>>he originated gangsta rap in philadelphia.
>
>I'd consider it more thug-rap...
><<<
>
>Crips, Bloods, and eses aren't the only gangsters in the world....
sya word. I started my own gang...G UNIT!
TJ Xenos
>
>it has a hip-hop scene... Mr. Lif can't be stopped<<<
>
>Michael Holley dropping Lif's name on ESPN's Around The Horn yesterday =
>HIP-HOP
I dont watch that show, but i already read about this on ughh's message boards,
i hear he also had a line like "you dont know who eric b and rakim are?" or
somethign ilke that....
Lau Kar Fai 510
>From: talv...@aol.comoestas (TJ Xenos)
>The beastie boys? I definitely agree as far as liscense to ill, i mean, that
>was one of the first records talking about gettin dusted and shootin people,
>and then theres the obvious influence >they had on cube, but other than that?
that's pretty much what I'm talking about, you can add the fact that Dre
sampled the Beasties considerably, and Eazy referenced "Brass Monkey" and some
other semi-bites(tributes?)
I
>mean, you cited specific albums by bdp and PE, and IMO shoud have done the
>same
>here.
yep, just an oversight.
>Im not familiar with a lot of $hort dogs early output and how it
>relates,
This is probably the most obvious one, the most obvious part being cussing on
records. Plus, NWA was heavy on the profanity-laced sex rhymes, considering
NO ONE in hip-hop proper (which excludes Blowfly & Dolemite) had done it yet to
that point other that Short........OK 2 Live was out before cube was doing it
on records, but Cube, Jinx & Kay-dee used to do dirty versions of Rapper's
Delight, Friends & other hiphop classics at CIA shows. 2 Short did dirty
rhymes over those very songs and many more on the old white tape and others. I
KNOW they were in LA listening to these and decided to do it themselves. I
can't prove it, but I know it.
>and i dont really see the rakim influence (unless you mean
>technically/stylistically as opposed to content wise?)
Just the hardcore-ness. In that sense, I should've added EPMD too, they were
"sprayin' niggas" on records before anybody. and they sampled Rakim's voice
(as did/do many people..)
>>His biggest specific influence is the fact that "6 In The Morning" is based
>>on
>>PSK and "Boys In The Hood was subseqentally based on "6 In The Morning".
>Say word. I think its more that 6 in the morning is considered to be the
>first
>gangster song, than schoolly being considered the first g-rap artist. I love
>the cat who said it wasnt gangsta rap, it was thug rap. I thought thug rap
>was
>what NYC cats with gangster style content (mobb deep, etc) called themself to
>differentiate them from the west coast acts...
>
That's what I thought too, but I've refrained from using cause I thought it
might've meant something else..
STRATEGY
TJ Xenos
>This is probably the most obvious one, the most obvious part being cussing on
>records. Plus, NWA was heavy on the profanity-laced sex rhymes, considering
>NO ONE in hip-hop proper (which excludes Blowfly & Dolemite) had done it yet
>to
>that point other that Short........OK 2 Live was out before cube was doing it
>on records, but Cube, Jinx & Kay-dee used to do dirty versions of Rapper's
>Delight, Friends & other hiphop classics at CIA shows. 2 Short did dirty
>rhymes over those very songs and many more on the old white tape and others.
>I
>KNOW they were in LA listening to these and decided to do it themselves. I
>can't prove it, but I know it.
>
Aaaah, i see what you're saying.
>
>>and i dont really see the rakim influence (unless you mean
>>technically/stylistically as opposed to content wise?)
>
>Just the hardcore-ness. In that sense, I should've added EPMD too, they were
>"sprayin' niggas" on records before anybody. and they sampled Rakim's voice
>(as did/do many people..)
ok. I assumed the hardcoreness was the main point of referecne as far as bdp
and pe, but i guess one could spread the influence among all the cats rhymin
hard at that point...
>
>That's what I thought too, but I've refrained from using cause I thought it
>might've meant something else..
>
as far as i can tell thats all it is, i mean, no one out east would call mobb
deep or cnn gangster, but thug is ok, same shit different pile as far as im
concerned, just coz you dont rock a rag, dont mean you're on some different
shit if you're still rappin about cops, hoes, drugs, and guns lol
Kuahmel Allah
Los Angeles (SoCal)
I DEFEND my hometown, and I lumped them all together for a reason, while a lot
of heads chose to conveniently drop the parenthesis. We are a Big Three
Hip-Hop region (Tri-State and the Bay Area are the other two). From Oxnard's
Declaime to Pomona's Above The Law to Long Beach's LMNO, from white kids like
Lexicon to Latins like 2Mex and Cypress Hill to brothers like Aceyalona and
Ice-T to Asian cats like most of the Visionaries, SoCal is arguably the most
diverse and capable region in Hip-Hop. Does gangsta rap outweigh the fact that
Breakin' 2 was filmed here? We've run thru KDAY, thru Michael Mixxin' Moore,
thru the Wake-Up show, and the real STILL finds a way to shine on our airwaves.
Never doubt a town that was blessed with the glory of the mighty Unity shows.
Dre is the commercial force the entire country comes to. And Good Life/Project
Blowed showed those saps at Lyricist Lounge how to do it. Who did NYC consider
a threat? Not the Bay, not Philly, not Chicago, US!!! Remember that,
people...SoCal Hip-Hop will NEVER go away......
And I forgot to menton, we have some of the finest bombers and taggers
anywhere....and oh yeah, we also taught you guys how important having a fly car
was...plus we developed a lot of you guys rhyme styles....
New York City/New Jersey
The area that built my love for Hip-Hop (and Marvel comics) has to be DEFENDED
by me, though many in this town won't do the same. They gave me the building
blocks (D-J-Run, Whodini, Fat Boys, Grandmaster Flash, Kurtis Blow, UTFO) when
I was 7. They gave me B-Boying (though LA gave us popping and locking). They
gave me the style of dress (way before these companies decided that they set
off fashion instead of letting the streets be the guide). They gave me most
every golden age MC that I still love. Hell, when I went there, I found kids
still bumping golden age records in blinging whips. Tri-State is something
special...
The Bay Area
They should have been able to DEFEND themselves, but I will do what I can.
E-40 is only one man commercially these days, but the catalog tells me
something. Too Short's first recordings come from way back in 1980--that
predates SoCal efforts by about five years. The Bay was unfortunately
responsible for Hammer, but they FORTUNATELY introduced the following: Digital
Underground (who, in turn, introduced ya boy 2Pac), Hieroglyphics,
Blackalicious, Motion Man, Latyrx, Mystic Journeymen, Spice 1, and Saafir among
others. Yey kids also do their damndest to push AND SUPPORT their own, unlike
SOME towns I know [ :( ]. They do need to return commercially, but they never
left as competitors or as true apreciators of Hip-Hop....besides, they come
with most of the slanguage....
Detroit
So what about ICP and Kid Rock? What about Royce, what about Binary Star, what
about Slum Village (ok, bad example lyrically), what about Jay Dee (Tribe took
him under their wing for a reason), what about BOSS?!? (I need to pop that in
right now) What about Eminem and Cage? And someone explain why Detroit always
got shouted out in NY rappers' records in the 80s. Detroit is on its way up,
they have to be DEFENDED. They have a lot of repair to do after ICP, Esham,
and Natas though...
London
Brothers Like Outlaw, Derek B, and Monie were cool when they were around, and
Salt & Pepa liked that London feel in their records back then, but what has
London done for US consumption LATELY? Do they even care anymore? They
should. No point in defending or bashing them until they feel the need to push
their product outside of the UK. When they fell commercially, we were left
with only the North American perspective, and that is not a good thing.
Chicago
DEFEND. Why do Brat and Ludacris not claim the Ill State? Why did Common
move? What's wrong with Chicago? All Nat, Juice, Mass Hysteria, EC Illa, No
ID, Dug Infinite, Vakill, Infamous Syndicate, Do Or Die, Molemen, and Crucial
Conflict aren't worthy company? But Jermaine Dupri, Lil Jon, and Erykah Badu
ARE?? Maybe that's why white high school girls are beating one another down
and doors are being locked at the night clubs. Ain't enough appreciation for
the hometown Hip-Hop to make everyone think positive.
Atlanta
I BASH Atlanta just for being a major threat to the Black population numbers in
LA. Why did everyone want to move there in the 90s, I never did understand
that....anywho, Hip-Hopwise, Mass Influence, the Dungeon Family, Micranots, and
Y'all So Stupid weren't enough to stop the bash. Goodie Mob just HAD to coin
the term "Dirty South"....even then, who knew so many Southerners would RALLY
around that moniker? It's just "IGNERNT", and that's my take on a lot of ATL
records. So what if Phife goes to Georgia often? He didn't go there to
assassinate Jermaine Dupri. Good soul town, but they ain't doing it in Hip-Hop
IMO.
Toronto
Gots to DEFEND the city that not only gave me my Raptors, but added Choclair,
Kardinal Offishall, Dream Warriors, Saukrates (does anyone remember any name I
dropped so far?) Ghetto Concept, Motion (the female), the Main Source DJs, and
Infinite, and is showing no signs of slowing down anytime soon. War Toronto.
OK, I need to quit listening to Jim Rome.
Philadelphia
Crazy place. Interesting diversity taking it from Jeff and Will to the Roots
to Beanie Sigel. I can drop names all year, but that about sums it up. Philly
has struggled for years to crack the Big Three, and they could be a solid
number 4, but for the bombardments by other towns overwhelming them. They've
done more than most everyone, but they don't register on the radar bright
enough to knock lesser places out of the spotlight (in Hip-Hop, anyway. They
just about run soul right now, however). I'll DEFEND them, but they have to
defend themselves a lot better than they do. The Bay and Philly are two
extremes (I'll explain to those who ask)
Miami
Again, what have they done for us lately? OH, that's right....Trick Daddy and
Trina. Call the silkscreener, we need to order the commemorative T-shirts. 2
Live Crew was the jam in their day, but most of M.I.A.M.I. (sorry, First
Platoon) has been pretty sleepy. Why is Philly-arse Will making the Miami
song? He ain't Sinatra!! And you have to BASH Miami for being on the map
since '86 and not having a scene worth speaking on nationally....
The Mid-Atlantic (DC, Virginia, Carolina)
Man, the Mid-Atlantic. This place is really something special. It's east AND
it's south!! OK, you want more....hmmm <digs in memory crate and pulls out>
Questionmark Asylum, Nonchalant (quit fronting, you liked that song), Storm The
Unpredictable, Supafriendz, Petey Pablo, Asheru & Blue Black, Yaggfu Front,
Little Brother, and commercial names that mention themselves enough that I will
spare those that don't want to Buick on their monitors (OK, Tupac ran thru
Baltimore, but does he really count?). Yes, I DEFEND them.
Boston
DEFENDING the commonwealth is what I must do. Sure they don't sell beer on
Sunday nights, but no matter. Ed OG opened the floodgates back in '91, but
only two drops came out (the other being named RSO--pathetic). It took six
damn years, but something finally got the water wheel to churn out what we
REALLY know the Bean for, and Akrobatik, Mr. Lif, Virtuoso, 7L and Esoteric,
and others have inspired others to rep hard ever since.....
Oh, yeah, Atlanta and Miami, I'm not trying to pick on that corner of the
country, I wanted to defend you guys, and I just couldn't do it....hey, look on
the bright side, at least you two are actually on the map as being more than
one-horse towns....
Ras Agg
>records. So what if Phife goes to Georgia often?
LOL man have you even BEEN to Atlanta?
We got a good # of ug hip hp clubs, everybody comes through this place.
Atlanta's underground scene is just overshadowed by what's commercially popular
Atlanta music.
Besides, most underground sounds like it's from NY anyway (from which we have a
lot of people from), and most people don't listen to at ATL tape just to hear
some cat who sounds like he's from NY. They want the A-T-L. Deal.
ATL isn't what's makin the "crunk" music that you hear so often popular.
America is doin that by buyin it. Otherwise, don't you think it'd be just a
local phenomenon?
PainInDaAss82
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
"Jay said it best when he asked that bitch
Ma, would you love me if I wasn't so rich?" - Havoc
noixe 2000
laukar...@aol.com wrote on 5/24/03 10:26 AM:
(you get a parking violation and a maggot on your sleeve)
noixe 2000
blackn...@aol.compostheap wrote on 5/24/03 10:56 AM:
>>>>>>> Boston
>
> it has a hip-hop scene... Mr. Lif can't be stopped<<<
>
> Michael Holley dropping Lif's name on ESPN's Around The Horn yesterday =
> HIP-HOP
WHAT???
info please!?
Lau Kar Fai 510
>From: painin...@aol.com (PainInDaAss82)
>yeah schooly d created gangsta rap is a WORLDWIDE misconception..
>
It has to be a worldwide conception in order for it to be a misconception.
There is a misconception to the degree that Schooly D influenced the creation
of what's commonly known as west coast gangsta rap, that's all I'm saying.
Did you read my other posts?
Would you like to make any points, other than disagreeing?
How old are you, were you listeing to hip-hop between 86-89 when this type of
hiphop was formulating and being established?
STRATEGY
Cruz Gracia
news:CjCza.70525$823....@news1.east.cox.net...
> Cruz and some others up here.. Jay Sidhu, I think you two need to broaden
> your listening horizons a little more. Cruz I can see you not liking the
> south, but the Mid-Atlantic ain't the same as the south. They got some
> people in down here putting in work and you can't front on Timbaland,
Missy,
> the Neptunes, and NOTTZ..
>
> I guarantee some joints you have felt from some NYC MCs have been blessed
by
> NOTTZ.. This kid is very slept on by MOST people, but if you really into
> producers you should have heard of this kid. He's got heat and he's got
> some shit that about to come out soon. Wait to you hear some stuff he did
> with Ghostface and Kardinal.
>
>
> "Cruz Gracia" <cgraci...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:gcBza.15609$Pz3.7...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> > > Los Angeles (SoCal)
> > Created Gansta Rap......other than that.....will lose to the East all
day
> > everyday
> >
> > > New York City/New Jersey
> > Considered the "East" and the reason you even listen to hip-hop
regardless
> > of where it came from.
> >
> > > The Bay Area
> > Hmmm.....haven't really heard too much homo Rap.
> >
> > > Detroit
> > Eminem.....one of the most lyrical niggaz out right now.....no one can
> fuck
> > with his flow right now.....black, white or chinese. (Anyone who ever
grew
> > up poor is a nigga (do not confuse it with that....other word that
people
> > seem to cry about) so shut your ass up....only wish he used the "n" in
> his
> > lyrics....) D-12 is garbage though though I respect Em for trying to get
> > them a deal.....Obie....gotta hear him.
> >
> > > London
> > Slick Rick.....can't fuck wit da rulah
> >
> > > Chicago
> > C'mon now.......really......please.
> >
> > > Atlanta
> > Luda comes in first, Outkast second.....everyone else and for that the
> whole
> > south just sucks.....
> >
> > > Toronto
> > Kardinal is the fucking man.......though I'm sorry I diss everything
> > Canadian.......I imagine "thugs" in the "T-Dot" to be preppies compared
to
> > real thugs and would ass kicked by an American suburbanite.......though
> > Kardinal rhymes tight and the beats are awesome.....Sick is one of my
> > favorite songs. (To all you Canadians reading this do not cry.....I only
> > diss you in fun.....I will still go to your SARS-infested "country"
> > (giggle-giggle) and spend my blessed American dollar. :D
> >
> > > Philadelphia
> > Philly is aight but c'mon it aint no NYC. The Roots are awesome
> > though......everyone else like Beanie, Eve, etc....just average. Will
> > Smith.....c'mon.....lol
> >
> > > Miami
> > Trina could suck my dick......Trick Daddy justs sucks
> >
> > > The Mid-Atlantic (DC, Virginia, Carolina)
> > > Boston
> > Sucks......Wackzino is gay.....
While I do somewhat stand corrected on the Timb arguement, I do feel that
"the Mid-Atlantic" did bring the "bounce" beat which the south did
capitalize on. Timb is hot, no doubt, and Missy is hit or miss. Neptune's
only flaw is blessing their beats on Clipse. I'm sorry but I don't have time
to listen to a bunch of ----------- (you fill in the blanks, I have too many
negatives about the Clipse that just any one word ain't doing it justice)
rapping about how they sell cocaine for over-inflated prices and poppin'
some dude doing the same thing. Clipse are Gahbage (how Boston headz would
say).
Cruz Gracia
"JuiceRoc" <juic...@aol.com> wrote in message
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May God bless Jersey for my hating ways. :)
Cruz Gracia
within the topic. Please.....
"Kuahmel Allah" <blackn...@aol.compostheap> wrote in message
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Cruz Gracia
with your conclusions.....fool.
"Kuahmel Allah" <blackn...@aol.compostheap> wrote in message
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Lau Kar Fai 510
>ok. I assumed the hardcoreness was the main point of referecne as far as bdp
>and pe, but i guess one could spread the influence among all the cats rhymin
>hard at that point...
I think we got the main ones though. again, they used vocal samples of PE,
EBAR, Beasties KRS all more than once.
also, I will site these albums all specifically being having gunplay elements
(and EPMD), except ebar maybe, but they dressed up like gansters and had
machine guns in their old videos
Now - Let's also examine that Wreckin' Kru had a song called "Gang Bang" on the
their first album (1985??), which made references to Crips & Bloods, had pagers
going off in the music, with Dre & Cli-N-Tel rapping about gang violence, task
force & the D game. Big difference is they were doing it in the 3rd person
then, *they* weren't the gangstas.
So if someone can say Schooly invented gangsta rap, I can just as accurately
say Dre, Yella, Lonzo & Cli-N-Tel did, I guess...
STRATEGY
Cruz Gracia
"Cruz Gracia" <cgraci...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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DEFEND Los Angeles (SoCal)
Created Gansta Rap......other than that.....will lose to the East all day
everyday
>
DEFEND New York City/New Jersey
Considered the "East" and the reason you even listen to hip-hop regardless
of where it came from.
>
BASH The Bay Area
Hmmm.....haven't really heard too much homo Rap.
>
DEFEND (ONLY FOR EM) Detroit
Eminem.....one of the most lyrical niggaz out right now.....no one can fuck
with his flow right now.....black, white or chinese. (Anyone who ever grew
up poor is a nigga (do not confuse it with that....other word that people
seem to cry about) so shut your ass up....only wish he used the "n" in his
lyrics....) D-12 is garbage though though I respect Em for trying to get
them a deal.....Obie....gotta hear him.
DEFEND London
> Slick Rick.....can't fuck wit da rulah
>
BASH Chicago
> C'mon now.......really......please.
>
BASH (ONLY BECAUSE IT'S MOSTLY GARBAGE....OUTKAST AND LUDA ARE HOT THOUGH)
Atlanta
> Luda comes in first, Outkast second.....everyone else and for that the
whole
> south just sucks.....
>
DEFEND Toronto
> Kardinal is the fucking man.......though I'm sorry I diss everything
> Canadian.......I imagine "thugs" in the "T-Dot" to be preppies compared to
> real thugs and would ass kicked by an American suburbanite.......though
> Kardinal rhymes tight and the beats are awesome.....Sick is one of my
> favorite songs. (To all you Canadians reading this do not cry.....I only
> diss you in fun.....I will still go to your SARS-infested "country"
> (giggle-giggle) and spend my blessed American dollar. :D
>
DEFEND Philadelphia
> Philly is aight but c'mon it aint no NYC. The Roots are awesome
> though......everyone else like Beanie, Eve, etc....just average. Will
> Smith.....c'mon.....lol
>
BASH Miami
> Trina could suck my dick......Trick Daddy justs sucks
>
> > The Mid-Atlantic (DC, Virginia, Carolina)
> See my southern comment......(it's below the Mason-Dixie.....lol)
>
BASH Boston
> Sucks......Wackzino is gay.....
PainInDaAss82
>>yeah schooly d created gangsta rap is a WORLDWIDE misconception..
>>
>
>It has to be a worldwide conception in order for it to be a misconception.
>
so the whole world is wrong, and you are right?
>There is a misconception to the degree that Schooly D influenced the creation
>of what's commonly known as west coast gangsta rap, that's all I'm saying.
>
thats the misconception. people think gangsta rap started in the west coast
when it didnt, they just blew it up. the main misconception is that schooly d
created that west coast flavor gangsta rap, when in fact the west created their
own style of gangsta rap....after schooly d created it.
>Did you read my other posts?
>
yup
>Would you like to make any points, other than disagreeing?
>
theres no disagreeing. schooly d created gangsta rap in philadelphia. its a
fact. its common knowledge.
>How old are you, were you listeing to hip-hop between 86-89 when this type of
>hiphop was formulating and being established?
im 21, i in fact was listening and shaking my kid ass to hip hop during them
years, via my older brother. but i dont remember too much from back then. but
i've done my hip hop history homework. i can read dog.
do some hip hop research. look it up wherever you want. in hip hop books or
whatever.
schooly d created gangsta rap. no disagreeing, no matter of opinion. its a
fact, and not a worldwide misconception.
Cruz Gracia
shit come out of his lips......(damn if only he wasn't
Canadian....lol.....but I can't hate on a tight flow).
"nes" <inthe...@123Knospamcox.net> wrote in message
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> Cruz and some others up here.. Jay Sidhu, I think you two need to broaden
> your listening horizons a little more. Cruz I can see you not liking the
> south, but the Mid-Atlantic ain't the same as the south. They got some
> people in down here putting in work and you can't front on Timbaland,
Missy,
> the Neptunes, and NOTTZ..
>
> I guarantee some joints you have felt from some NYC MCs have been blessed
by
> NOTTZ.. This kid is very slept on by MOST people, but if you really into
> producers you should have heard of this kid. He's got heat and he's got
> some shit that about to come out soon. Wait to you hear some stuff he did
> with Ghostface and Kardinal.
>
>
> "Cruz Gracia" <cgraci...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:gcBza.15609$Pz3.7...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> > > Los Angeles (SoCal)
> > Created Gansta Rap......other than that.....will lose to the East all
day
> > everyday
> >
> > > New York City/New Jersey
> > Considered the "East" and the reason you even listen to hip-hop
regardless
> > of where it came from.
> >
> > > The Bay Area
> > Hmmm.....haven't really heard too much homo Rap.
> >
> > > Detroit
> > Eminem.....one of the most lyrical niggaz out right now.....no one can
> fuck
> > with his flow right now.....black, white or chinese. (Anyone who ever
grew
> > up poor is a nigga (do not confuse it with that....other word that
people
> > seem to cry about) so shut your ass up....only wish he used the "n" in
> his
> > lyrics....) D-12 is garbage though though I respect Em for trying to get
> > them a deal.....Obie....gotta hear him.
> >
> > > London
> > Slick Rick.....can't fuck wit da rulah
> >
> > > Chicago
> > C'mon now.......really......please.
> >
> > > Atlanta
> > Luda comes in first, Outkast second.....everyone else and for that the
> whole
> > south just sucks.....
> >
> > > Toronto
> > Kardinal is the fucking man.......though I'm sorry I diss everything
> > Canadian.......I imagine "thugs" in the "T-Dot" to be preppies compared
to
> > real thugs and would ass kicked by an American suburbanite.......though
> > Kardinal rhymes tight and the beats are awesome.....Sick is one of my
> > favorite songs. (To all you Canadians reading this do not cry.....I only
> > diss you in fun.....I will still go to your SARS-infested "country"
> > (giggle-giggle) and spend my blessed American dollar. :D
> >
> > > Philadelphia
> > Philly is aight but c'mon it aint no NYC. The Roots are awesome
> > though......everyone else like Beanie, Eve, etc....just average. Will
> > Smith.....c'mon.....lol
> >
> > > Miami
> > Trina could suck my dick......Trick Daddy justs sucks
> >
> > > The Mid-Atlantic (DC, Virginia, Carolina)
> > See my southern comment......(it's below the Mason-Dixie.....lol)
> >
> > > Boston
> > Sucks......Wackzino is gay.....
> >
> >
>
>
PainInDaAss82
> Hmmm.....haven't really heard too much homo Rap.
look ya'll.
THIS is disrespect to the bay area. not calling the music wack.
Cruz Gracia
"Lau Kar Fai 510" <laukar...@aol.com> wrote in message
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made it (somewhat) mainstream. That can not get disputed. That's why I
credit NWA.....
Cruz Gracia
phat.
"TJ Xenos" <talv...@aol.comoestas> wrote in message
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> Im on the positive tip so ima defend everythign for their contributions
>
> >Philadelphia
>
> High & Mighty hasnt been mentioned yet and im mad disappointed :(
PainInDaAss82
>made it (somewhat) mainstream. That can not get disputed. That's why I
>credit NWA.....
exactly. the west made it mainstream. noone is disputing that at all. but you
can't credit them with creating it. you just cant do it.
with all that being said nwa was better than schooly d their shit was more
enjoyable.
but schooly d created the shit...this is a dead subject its common knowledge.
if someone wants to think they're right over the whole world, they can go ahead
but im not replying to no more posts about schooly d cause i been did the
knowledge, and im not taking someones word on usenet over the countless hours
i've spent reading books and shit about the culture.
JuiceRoc
>"the Mid-Atlantic" did bring the "bounce" beat
have you heard of the bay area?
JuiceRoc
needs better beats.
JuiceRoc
>g-rappers. many, including Ice T & MC Ren have credited this album as being
>a
>huge influence.
there's been several influences in pioneering gangsta rappers lives, but they
are not credited with creating gangsta rap.
JuiceRoc
>
>T.R.U. & Master Pee Presents: Master Pee and The Real Untouchables.
fresh
JuiceRoc
thats true but you said the entire bay is wack. plus i know several people that
thihk the bay makes the best rap.
> thats not really disrespect.
it is when you say shit like, "the bay area dont know how to make good rap
records"
JuiceRoc
>hop
>history. but the fact remains, he originated gangsta rap in philadelphia.
what year?
JuiceRoc
>Either mad young, hate the Northeast, or don't follow Hip-Hop....
none of those.
JuiceRoc
nes
of the Clipse. That a weak defense on your part to bash the whole
Mid-Atlantic.. Have you heard any Nottz or any DMP material. They are a lot
better then the Clipse, and trust me man there's a lot of people in the
Mid-Atlantic that do not like the Clipse so I'm not saying you are wrong in
bashing them.
"Cruz Gracia" <cgraci...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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nes
sample clearance for one of the tracks). And there's one other one but I
can't remember it right now. Also he got some new shit with Kardinal that
should be coming out on Kardi's next album. Shit is banging. Check for
it..
"Cruz Gracia" <cgraci...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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Cruz Gracia
Mid-Atlantic can get a Defend then.... :)
Why is NOTTZ allowin' folks to sleep on him though.....
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Cruz Gracia
homosexuals in the entire country.It's on the Bay. All I said (perhaps with
humor/venom) was that I have not heard many homosexuals (openly....) come
out on the scene from that area. Sure you got Oakland there but hey I only
remember "MC Hammer and them 357 bitches."
"PainInDaAss82" <painin...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Cruz Gracia
No.....hence my first comment.news:20030524155133...@mb-m05.aol.com...
Cruz Gracia
country, but people are feeling the Clipse (then again it wouldn't be the
first time people felt garbage). They were getting much airtime for a
minute. My theory for this is that Pharell and Chad must have bought their
yay from them and they threatened their lives if they did not get a deal and
produce their sorry asses...but seriously most of my comments are just to be
funny and you have to admit that whatever I said have truth to them.
I will say this though.....I'm seriously surprised that a good deal of
"thug" rap didn't come out of DC....is it still the most dangerous place in
the country?
"nes" <inthe...@123Knospamcox.net> wrote in message
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Cruz Gracia
> but schooly d created the shit...this is a dead subject its common
knowledge.
> if someone wants to think they're right over the whole world, they can go
ahead
> but im not replying to no more posts about schooly d cause i been did the
> knowledge, and im not taking someones word on usenet over the countless
hours
> i've spent reading books and shit about the culture.
I'm going to attempt to kill this with this scenario.....
Little Timmy in Omaha, Nebraska "loves" Rap music. Now ask Timothy who
Schooly D is. He will then present a "Who?" with a confused look on his
face. Ok, now ask him who NWA is. [a la
wack-ass-black-comedian-making-fun-of-a-white accent] "Oh that's my shit
there.....Niggas Wit Attitude....." Whether Schooly D invented gangsta rap
is irrelevent.....the West took the ball and ran with it and made it
POPULAR. As is Pop Music, as in what Gangsta Rap became for a time. It was
fun.....now I am getting to the age where the whole "bang-bang-shoot-em"
shit (I miss Star.....[sniffles]) is getting tired.....
Pizon
Cage is from upstate NY
Get at me,
Pizon
http://www.lascalaentertainment.com
--
My mentality is "what, kid?"
ML-78
> >>>STARTED peoples.
> >>
> >>scuse me?
> >
> >what you mean scuse you? ask anyone in this newsgroup who schooly d is.
>
> i dont know anybody who thinks of schooly d when they think of gangsta
rap. far
> as im concerned, the west created, innovated and perfected that craft. i
give
> philly its credit, but i do not credit gangsta rap to philly.
Never the less, that's the case. Schoolly D was the first to do it. Various
people from the west coast have popularized it and become successful doing
it but that doesn't mean they created it.
ML-78
JuiceRoc
fresno counts as the bay?
ML-78
>
> like i said, i dont know anybody who thinks of schooly d when they think
of
> gangsta rap.
That only tells something about who you know rather than who actually
started gangster rap.
ML-78
OverTiME
Outside of LA & NY, Houston has the biggest scene, playa!
blackn...@aol.compostheap (Kuahmel Allah) wrote in message news:<20030523145934...@mb-m24.aol.com>...
> "Folks, it's Friday, time for DEFEND or BASH!!!"--Jay Leno
>
> And I almost forgot too....
>
> This week, inspired by the renewed East/West war in here, and the fact that
> this was always a hot topic in my mind, it's time to get into what Hip-Hop
> cities are really important to Hip-Hop and really putting it down.....I'll
> allow liberties to be taken this time, so you can expand from Hip-Hop to the
> music in general that came from that town.
>
> The only rules:
> -You must say DEFEND or BASH before expanding on your call. If you're
> indifferent or undecided, just state that you can't call it.
> -The field is already set. No adding on.
>
> Let's do it...
>
> DEFEND or BASH the all-time overall contributions and the future of:
> Los Angeles (SoCal)
> New York City/New Jersey
> The Bay Area
> Detroit
> London
> Chicago
> Atlanta
> Toronto
> Philadelphia
> Miami
> The Mid-Atlantic (DC, Virginia, Carolina)
> Boston
>
> Have at it, ladies and gentlemen....
> --Kuahmel Allah, Los Angeles
> "LOS ANGELES!!!"--Krondon
> "For God's sake, eat a burger!!!"--Calista Flockhart
> "I rep for the hood!!!"--RossAndersen
locdogjr
and MOP I believe
-loc
"Cruz Gracia" <cgraci...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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Josh Scott
> >Subject: Re: DEFEND or BASH the following Hip-Hop cities and regions
>
> >remember when master p and tru claimed richmond?
> >
>
> blood, i even got their first record somewhere, BEFORE he formed No Limit
and
> put out an EP on In-A-Minute.
>
> I am not kidding, this is exactly what it said (and was spelled):
>
> T.R.U. & Master Pee Presents: Master Pee and The Real Untouchables.
>
I know somebody who has that album, or maybe only the sleeve...or maybe I've
just seen it.
but yeah...
--
Josh Scott
sco-lo
Josh Scott
"Kuahmel Allah" <blackn...@aol.compostheap> wrote in message
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> >>>he originated gangsta rap in philadelphia.
>
> <<<
>
> Crips, Bloods, and eses aren't the only gangsters in the world....
I know, but was Schooly D talking about gang shit or thug shit?
There IS a difference...
--
Josh Scott
sco-lo
Josh Scott
> How is it disrespect.....San Francisco has one of the highest #s of
> homosexuals in the entire country.It's on the Bay. All I said (perhaps
with
> humor/venom) was that I have not heard many homosexuals (openly....) come
> out on the scene from that area. Sure you got Oakland there but hey I only
> remember "MC Hammer and them 357 bitches."
"from the shoulders and from the holsters we show aggression / you hear
about the happy, don't get the wrong impression" -San Quinn
that's bullshit, stay outta Castro you're cool. All of California is real
liberal, so of course homosexuals like it over here, not many people care
enough to discriminate...
--
Josh Scott
sco-lo
Josh Scott
"OverTiME" <over...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
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> So you just gone leave Houston off the map, huh?
>
> Outside of LA & NY, Houston has the biggest scene, playa!
Yup, and Houston is the biggest market of independent hip-hop, trailed by
the Bay...
--
Josh Scott
sco-lo
ML-78
least
> of it.
The discussion is not about who was the largest influence (which Schoolly-D
was not) but who was the first one to do it (which was Schoolly-D).
ML-78
ML-78
>
But historical facts do.
ML-78