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John Herbert

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May 3, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/3/97
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I have the following items for sale. All of the products are
guarenteed. All orders are held for one week after confirmation for
domestic orders, two weeks for international orders. Payment is
accepted in the form of a check, money order or cash(not recomended).
I have the right to hold the product for one week if I feel it is
necessary to allow the check to clear. Shipping is $1 per record and
$.75 per CD, for domestic orders. International shipping is extra.

Vinyl 12":
Foxy Brown-I'll Be/La Familia $5
Keith Murray-The Rhyme/Yeah $5
Frakie Cutlass-The Cypher Part 3 $5
Nas-Street Dreams/Affirmative Action w/Remixes $5
Capone N Noreaga-T.O.N.Y. $5
Bushbabees-The Love Song $5
Cypress Hill-Boom Biddy Bye Bye w/Fugees Remix $5
Warren G-I Shot The Sheriff $5
2Pac-How Do You Want It/Cal. Love/Hit em Up/2 Of Amerikz Mst Wantd $5
Freak Nasty-Da Dip/Down Low/Bump That Rump $5
Arifacts-Art of Facts $5
Kool G Rap& DJ Polo-Lifestyles of The rich and Famous $5
Craig Mack-Get Down/Flava in Ya Ear Remix $5
Lil Kim-No Time $4
Shaggy-Boombastic/Summer Time/Gal Yu a Pepper $4
Mad Lion-Double Trouble w/KRS and Benda Starr Remixes $4
Born Jamaicans-Yardcore $4
Groove Theory-Tell Me $4
Mc Rell&The Houserockers-Life of An entertainer $3
Shabba-Muscle Grip $3
Sugarhill Gang-Rapper's Delight(Original Pressing) $25

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Con Funk Shun-Secrets $9
SuperCat-The Struggle Continues $9
House Of Pain-Fine Malt Lyrics $6
Kool and The Gang-Something Special $9
2 Live Crew-Shake a Lil Something $11
Hip Hop's Most Wanted Compilation $15
Street Rap Compilation Original 1984 Pressing $20

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Jeru The Damaja-sun Rises In The East $6
ATCQ-Low End Theory $6
Snoop-Tha Doggfather $6
Ghostface Killah-Ironman $6
Rhyme and Reason SDTK $6
Sunset Park SDTK $6
Fugees-The Score $5
Bad Boys SDTK $5
Outkast-Southernplayalistic... $5
Beastie Boys-Licensed To Ill $5
Keith Murray-Most Beautifullest Thing In The World $5
Da Brat-Funkdafied $5
Buju Banton-Til Shiloh $5
Funky stuff-Best of Funk Essentials $5
Hip To Hop compilation Vol.1 $5

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Case Logic 64 CD Wallet $15
Case Logic 16 CD Wallet $6
12 CD Wallet $5
6 CD Wallet $2
Finishline 30 CD(10*3) Case $12 + $4 Shipping=$16

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Peace,
John

tcr...@acsu.buffalo.edu

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May 3, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/3/97
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Even though a lot of people may not understand me for this I think Tupac
Shakur has had the biggest influence of any rap artist in our society.
What's everybody else think? I know this can't be the only opinion.


Justin Mahaffie

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May 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/4/97
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tcr...@acsu.buffalo.edu wrote:
: Even though a lot of people may not understand me for this I think Tupac

: Shakur has had the biggest influence of any rap artist in our society.
: What's everybody else think? I know this can't be the only opinion.
:
straight up, man. when tupac died, i almost shed tears. and to me, death
isn't even that much of a reality. i didn't cry when my grandfather,
great-grandmother, uncle, or great-aunt died, and i was very close to all
of them. i just didn't feel the need to. but when these two girls said
they heard on the news that pac had died, i almost cried. for real. and
that's just his influence on me. in tupac's own words (with a couple o'
*s thrown in...):
"I never had s**t growing up, so I had nothing to lose. Now I
want to show people who've been through the same thing how narrowly I
escaped. I stand for something. I want to take the bad and turn it to
good." He was a serious social activist, and he loved his people. And the
love was returned. Tupac, R.I.P.

Silky Slim

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May 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/4/97
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> Even though a lot of people may not understand me for this I think Tupac
> Shakur has had the biggest influence of any rap artist in our society.
> What's everybody else think? I know this can't be the only opinion.

It depends on how far back you want to go. You could go way back to the
late 70's or early 80's and talk about the artists that created rap. They
obviously had the most influence on today's music. But more recently, N.W.A
started this all this gangsta shit (for better or worse).


Schartryce K. Mason

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May 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/4/97
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agree

Jonathan Dean Ripp

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May 5, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/5/97
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tcr...@acsu.buffalo.edu wrote:
: Even though a lot of people may not understand me for this I think Tupac

: Shakur has had the biggest influence of any rap artist in our society.
: What's everybody else think? I know this can't be the only opinion.

Rakim. His monotone style has been copied by nearly every MC on the east
and even some on the west.

Slick Rick. Laid back story telling with the words just flowing from his
mouth like water from a shower. Influenced nearly the whole west coast.

Too Short. Similar to Slick Rick but he has a certain drawl that he adds
to his vocab and his beats bumped. Influenced a helluva west coast and
most of the south.

Tupac never influenced anyone. Meaning nobody bit his style. The hard
thug life rappers (Kool G Rap, NWA, CMW) were already out there by the
time he started his solo joint (1991 or '92). He was just better than
most.

Ripp

Rob "Wizard" Wilson

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May 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/7/97
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If I had not been listening to rap music most of my life, by reading
this newsgroup, I would think that rap started about the same time that
2pac and Biggie started rapping.

Have people forgotten about the true pioneers of rap music?? What about
Run-DMC, Slick Rick, Whodini, BDP and all the other artists who were
"keepin' it real" when rap wasnt mainstream and there was no category
for rap in the grammy awards.

It disgusts me to hear my little brother and sister listening to the
crap nowadays that passes for rap. I am tired of hearing songs about
"cristale, and versace" and the whole materialistic attitude of todays
rap artists.

I said some things few weeks ago about KRS-1 falling off. That couldnt
be farther from the truth. I have never seen a KRS video with him
sipping champagne or driving a lex or surrounded by a buch of hired
models. Talking about how much this and that he has.

Rap is in a sorry state today.

Doug

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May 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/7/97
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tcr...@acsu.buffalo.edu wrote:
>
> Even though a lot of people may not understand me for this I think Tupac
> Shakur has had the biggest influence of any rap artist in our society.
> What's everybody else think? I know this can't be the only opinion.
Although I consider Chuck D. to be the greatest and most important
rapper ever, no one person or group has had as much influence on rap as
RUN-D.M.C.

A.

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May 8, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/8/97
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Recognise this??

If you've listened to any small amount of old skool, you should. Doesn't
this bear a remarkable similarity to all this shit going on today??

The need to get paid, and manifest the benefits of getting paid (cars,
clothes, champagne...) have been in rap from day one (or at least day 2
or 3).

It sometimes seems like there are too many people seeing the old school
through rose-tinted eyes. People remember all the shit that fits in with
their theories, and it makes it waaaay easier to talk down to people
when you dis their favorite artists, and say "aaaah, back in the days,
it was all...., You young folks just don't know what rap is if you don't
have <insert classic hip hop album of your choice>"

This is not to say that I'm not sick of crystal, benzes, lexus etc. and
I agree with anyone who says that '85-'90 were classic years for hip
hop.

BUT there's a difference between educating people about music, and being
snobbish and superior, and it seems like many people are treading that
thin line.

Don't fall off!

Peace,

A.

AKIEAM ALLAH *)7

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May 8, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/8/97
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yup, I agree 100%, muthafuckas was always talkin about sniffin' coke,
not many kids talk about that shit now days....
" I got check books, cedit cards,
mo' mon-ey,
than a sucka could ever spend"

--
©1997

| '
\|/ |_|_|
AKIEM ALLAH --*)7--
/|\ /| | | |
Kool ªk | (_|_|_| |

AKIEAM ALLAH *)7

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May 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/9/97
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Jonathan Dean Ripp wrote:
>
> I think you bring up a good point but yesterday's money talk is different
> than nows.
>
> 1) Gangsta. When people talked about getting paid, they never said they
> did it by moving weight or by robbing and killing. They said they got
> paid by their rhyme skills.
>
> 2) It was more of an image back then. The thing today is to be real. I
> think this has to do with the move in the early 1990's when all types of
> music lost its "image" and had to become real for its fans. Blame it on
> De La and Nirvana. Music artists were no longer bigger than their fans.
> A trend I enjoy.
>
> 3) The people at the top of the rhyme game, lets say Rakim, Big Daddy
> Kane, EMPD, Biz all had skills. They didn't copy trends but started them.
> Yeah, they had their biters but no one confused the originators with the
> fakers. Today, one guy comes up with an original idea, 10 people are on
> it and people except it. Happened to Snoop Dogg and happened to Nas.
> Without Snoop, there would be no Death Row ro D.R. biters. Without Nas,
> there would be no Biggie, Junior Mafia, Jay Z or maybe any rap involved at
> Bad Boy.
>
> Ripp

yes

Jonathan Dean Ripp

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May 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/9/97
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Johnathan Blazini

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May 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/9/97
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Wu-Tang Clan has had the most impact on my life

badger

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May 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/11/97
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WEST UP!

YOUR WRONG BOUT 2PAC N ALL.
N.W.A. HAS HAD THE GREATEST IMPACT IN MY MIND.
ALL 5 MEMBERS OF THIS GANG HAVE BECOME MULTI-PLATNIUM SOLO ARTISTS.
<EXCEPT YELLA HEs ONLY GONE PLATNIUM>

IF N.W.A. HAD NEVER EXSITED HIP HOP/RAP MUSIC WOULD BE A LOT DIFFRENT.
WE COULD NOT EVEN GUESS WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE.

DYLAN THA"RUTHLESS"VYLAN

J-Beez With the Remedy

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May 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/13/97
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No way. There are several old-school hip-hoppers who have had all kinds
of far-reaching influences, in both society at large and music in
general.

* Afrikaa Bambaataa and the Soulsonic Force's "Planet Rock" is pretty
much singlehandedly responsible for spawning the Miami Bass sound.

* Schoolly D, Boogie Down Productions and NWA (depending upon who you
ask) helped spawn the entire gangsta rap genre; NWA has probably had the
most direct and far-reaching influence. Dr. Dre is pretty much
responsible for starting the entire G-Funk sound, elements of which have
become prevalent in hip-hop from every region of the nation.

* NWA and 2 Live Crew (as terrible as they were), with their "I-don't-
give-a-fuck-about-censorship" attitudes paved the way for future artist
to excercise true freedom of speech on wax.

* EPMD proved that hip-hop could sell without radio play or popular
support.

* Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five spawned "reality rap" with "The
Message," the first popular song about life in the ghetto.

* KRS pioneered the ragamuffin, pseudo-reggae sound (amongst hip-hop
MCs, not actual dancehall MCs) and flipping different styles.

* Run-DMC and LL Cool J made hip-hop a popular marketing phenomenon. In
many ways, they're directly responsible for bringing it to the masses
(and because of this they're also, regrettably, somewhat responsible for
popular society's co-opting of hip-hop for its own purposes, usually as
a scapegoat)

* Public Enemy almost singlehandedly created politically-conscious
hip-hop. Ice Cube, as a solo artist and during the time he wrote NWA's
lyrics, was the prototype "philosophical, conscious gangsta."

* Twista (formerly Tung Twista), Organized Konfusion, and several other
MCs were the pioneers of the rapid-fire flow that BONE, Do or Die and
Crucial Conflict have blown the fuck up.

* The Sugarhill Gang made using loops of pre-existing sounds popular.
They're also the first popular group to gain fame by biting other MCs'
lyrics.

* The Bomb Squad popularized "layered" beats, setting the stage for
producers like the RZA.

* Rakim inspired legions of future lyricists with his metaphors and
impeccable timing. He re-popularized the tradition of the African griot
in the United States, the storyteller who passed on knowledge and wisdom
through an oral tradition.

Actually, now that I think about it, I think I realize what you mean:
Tupac had a huge impact on _popular_ society because he was an actor and
a media darling in addition to being an MC, and he had a tragic, young
death. But I don't think he's _the_ most influential, because he didn't
gain all that influence by himself; much of it was attributable to
Biggie, because of the whole East-West beef they started.

--Jordan Beasley, who someday hopes to be a positive influence

eastwest

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May 15, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/15/97
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without a doubt it had to be *da rap'in duke

J-Beez With the Remedy <jbea...@pomona.edu> wrote in article
<33790C...@pomona.edu>...

Tony Boyd

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May 15, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/15/97
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1) Grand Master Flash / Melle Mel
2) RUN DMC
3) Public Enemy
4 NWA
5) Snoop

eastwest

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MalloryS23 <mallo...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970519180...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
> Although I dont agree with him, I think 2Pac has had the most influence.
> Also, the Foxy/Lil Kim shit is affecting the way a lot of girls act. As
> for me, I have been affected bt De La, as they talk about real, everyday
> people like me.

UTFO and Roxanne Shante

peace from NYC
RIP Chris, Tupac

MalloryS23

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MrBB16

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May 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/24/97
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I AGREE KRS1 HAS KEPT IT REAL ALL THESE YEARS

Ali Nabeel

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May 27, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/27/97
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J-Beez With the Remedy (jbea...@pomona.edu) wrote:
: No way. There are several old-school hip-hoppers who have had all kinds

: of far-reaching influences, in both society at large and music in
: general.
:
[snip a few groups]
:
: * NWA and 2 Live Crew (as terrible as they were), with their "I-don't-

: give-a-fuck-about-censorship" attitudes paved the way for future artist
: to excercise true freedom of speech on wax.

What was so bad about 2Live. Sure their porno lyrics were stupid but in a
funny way. Musically they were excellent. Especially _As Nasty as They
Wanna Be_ which fused every genre of music from blues to rock with rap.
Their later efforts were mediocre though, too many of those yelling at the
crowd, the crowd yells back songs.

[snip more groups]

--
------------------------------------------------------------
Nabeel Ali
al...@magellan.umontreal.ca

Knok Out 1

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May 29, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/29/97
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It's Kris Parker, no doubt. When I was a little kid, Criminal Minded was
so fuckin hard. Set the stage for all this shit today. No one could ever
challenge KRS, and when was the last time muthafuckas even tried to?
"Don't ever try ta challenge BDP..." See, what makes the BlastMaster the
dopest MC, excuse me, the Teacher, is that he says whatever the fuck he
pleases, and never has to ask anyone for permission. He's top celebrity
in NYC. Like he says: "I could walk anywhere I choose, 'cus everybody
listens to the BDP crew...!" Nuff Respect...

Juci692140

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6) KRS-ONE

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