What's going on with this group?
j.
when I was here for the last time, the discussions were goin on and on and
on, there were hundreds of posts everyday. And now, when I came back,
noone's posting here - all I see is the dumb crossposts about Black men
fucking white women, pros and cons of it, and some troubled guy seekin for
help with his Google Toolbar, sendin an X-Post to 10 newsgroups.
What's happened? Where's everyone? Pizon, Mr Bounce, Koumtje Brown,
Mattmatical, Leonie, Phillystres, Bay Way 41510, locdogjr and all the
other folks...? Is this newsgroup still alive?
Or is there an alternative for alt.rap and rec.music.hip-hop...? If so,
please tell me, so I could go and subscribe that group...
--
peace,
Akim aka Joten
Leave Me Alone
http://www.musicgrooveentertainment.com . you'll have to click Hip-Hop forum
to get to it.
I wouldn't call it an alternative to this community, but I would say that it
complements this one. I invite you all to visit and and get some discussions
going. Or at least check it out and leave some suggestions on how it could
be improved upon.
"j." <x@y.z> wrote in message news:c2erj8$j35$1...@topaz.icpnet.pl...
DOKool
>Okay. Now I've been not subscribed to this group for about a month - and
>when I was here for the last time, the discussions were goin on and on and
>on, there were hundreds of posts everyday...
>What's happened? Where's everyone? Pizon, Mr Bounce, Koumtje Brown,
>Mattmatical, Leonie, Phillystres, Bay Way 41510, locdogjr and all the
>other folks...? Is this newsgroup still alive?
Thus is the life of internet communities: they live and die based on
their userbase. Some communities have a constant influx of fresh
faces who contribute, while others don't. I remember two years ago
when this NG was in its prime... battles and rhymes posted every day,
a huge roster of regular posters, etc etc etc. Sometime between then
and now, things changed.
It may not mean much, but Alt.Rap was already declared dead way back
when - that's when RMHH was created. And then Alt.Rap came back.
Sooner or later the cycle will repeat itself, because that's more or
less the way the internet works.
-DOKool
Kuahmel Allah
--Kuahmel Allah, Los Angeles
"LOS ANGELES!!!"--Krondon
"For God's sake, eat a burger!!!"--Calista Flockhart
"I rep for the hood!!!"--RossAndersen
"If you plan on getting pregnant, first find a man!!"--Jillian Barberie
mochaspresso
It's probably a combo of cross-posting and silly long drawn out
arguments. The type where people quote 150 lines of text to add one
irrelevant one-line comment.
The cross-posting doesn't bother me so much. I'm just amazed at how
long some of the threads go on for. It's kind of pathetic to sit in
front of the computer for hours just to do that. Really, how boring
can life get that you have absolutely nothing more entertaining to do?
It's one thing to have one or two boring days....but some of those
threads go on for days and days non stop.
-=-=->-=-=->-=-=->-=-=->-=-=->-=-=->-=-=->-=-=->-=-=->-=-=->-=-=->-=-=->-=-=->
Mochaspresso
bozak
"j." <x@y.z> wrote in message news:c2erj8$j35$1...@topaz.icpnet.pl...
they got tired of people bitching about shit that nobody could do
anything about... well that and the people that respond to those
type of threads...
;-)
alcove
> The cross-posting doesn't bother me so much. I'm just amazed at how
> long some of the threads go on for. It's kind of pathetic to sit in
> front of the computer for hours just to do that. Really, how boring
> can life get that you have absolutely nothing more entertaining to do?
> It's one thing to have one or two boring days....but some of those
> threads go on for days and days non stop.
I fully agree with you here, but sometimes i'm amazed about how much
rubbish-American-pop-culture rubbish you must absorb in a given week,
given your posts. The constant mention of EntertainmentTonight-esque
crap and shitty movies...
How boring.
^alcove^
mochaspresso
wrote:
Boring? Really? To each his own, I guess. I'll admit to being a bit
of a pop-culture whore. I never could understand people who never
owned a TV or a radio or never read the newspapers. I just like to
know what's going on in my world. ALL ASPECTS of my world. I
subscribe to 3 different newspapers and ton of magazines. That
doesn't even include the ones I read online.
I also can't stand having a conversation w/ a group of people about
something in the news and having one oddball butt in to ask something
silly that everybody else on the planet knows about but him/her.
That just happened to me Friday w/ the "Passion of Christ". This guy
knew nothing about the movie. Hadn't heard a thing about it. I'm
sorry, but to me, I think that's akin to the 12 yr old not knowing
what "wind" is. At least the child has a vaiid reason....what's the
adult's excuse? .
I used to work w/ a woman who would come to work early to read the
paper at her desk....(The Daily News too...) yet one day when some of
us were talking about Puffy's trial, she's like "Who's Puffy? What's
he on trial for?" Excuse me!!! How could you live in NY and have
been reading the paper, esp. The Daily News, every single morning for
the past 3 weeks and then have to ask "Who's Puffy and what's he on
trial for?"
American pop-culture is extremely interesting. Do you have any idea
how much art, literature and music is influenced by American pop
culture? This little NG and the entire medium that we are using to
communicate wouldn't even exist without it, my friend.
Culture in general is interesting. I'm always amazed when I hear
people say things like that given how much of an impact it has on your
daily life.
Kuahmel Allah
owned a TV or a radio or never read the newspapers.<<<<
The one that gets me is people who have the Internet but don't have cable...
Seems like you would have cable first....
alcove
> Boring? Really? To each his own, I guess.
I suppose so.
> I'll admit to being a bit
> of a pop-culture whore.
ok, fair. you're allowed.
> I also can't stand having a conversation w/ a group of people about
> something in the news and having one oddball butt in to ask something
> silly that everybody else on the planet knows about but him/her.
> That just happened to me Friday w/ the "Passion of Christ". This guy
> knew nothing about the movie. Hadn't heard a thing about it. I'm
> sorry, but to me, I think that's akin to the 12 yr old not knowing
> what "wind" is. At least the child has a vaiid reason....what's the
> adult's excuse? .
Hum....I know virtually nothing about current movies. Nothing. Other
than Christ, because i see people shitting over it everywhere, i
couldn't tell you ONE movie in theatres right now. Really.
I don't see how this could be likened to knowledge of wind.
Understanding wind is a little more elemental to life than being up on
movies, no?
> I used to work w/ a woman who would come to work early to read the
> paper at her desk....(The Daily News too...) yet one day when some of
> us were talking about Puffy's trial, she's like "Who's Puffy? What's
> he on trial for?" Excuse me!!! How could you live in NY and have
> been reading the paper, esp. The Daily News, every single morning for
> the past 3 weeks and then have to ask "Who's Puffy and what's he on
> trial for?"
Why should you expect people to have knowledge of shit that in no way
affects them, except to quench some voyeuristic tendency?
Do you understand genetics?? Some scientists would find it pretty
ignorant on yr part that you don't, given how they can affect you...
> American pop-culture is extremely interesting. Do you have any idea
> how much art, literature and music is influenced by American pop
> culture? This little NG and the entire medium that we are using to
> communicate wouldn't even exist without it, my friend.
You know how much art, literature and music goes against American Pop
culture and tries to fight against it ??? It just isn't heard as often,
blanketed by all the american crap, power and reach.
> Culture in general is interesting. I'm always amazed when I hear
> people say things like that given how much of an impact it has on your
> daily life.
Who died on survivor? Who cares...
Mariah Carey's love-life interests me? Has an impact on me?
Puffy's new baseball glove? Mansion? Car?
I couldn't be MORE removed from that shit.
The closest i come to pop culture is American sports.
And even they're getting too blatently commercialized for my tastes.
^alcove^
locdogjr
just got home my reading week today
I find RMHH lacking a lot lately though I've been more into regional boards
seems like a lot of the intelligent posters have dissapeared and/or don't
post as much
its the same damn arguments and bitching around these parts too, the
potential for mature discussions and being schooled by WAY more intelligent
people than you is really high though!
Don't fuck with the cats knowledge on here, you will be served.
at least the 15 year olds are at minimum
-loc
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"Kuahmel Allah" <blackn...@aol.compostheap> wrote in message
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> >>>> I never could understand people who never
> owned a TV or a radio or never read the newspapers.<<<<
>
> The one that gets me is people who have the Internet but don't have
cable...
>
> Seems like you would have cable first....
I have high speed internet and no cable,
I download any TV shows I want and get the news and most of the cheesy
sitcoms and hour dramas with my bunny ears so I just stick to that and save
the money for the internet.
sucks being a student
-loc
mochaspresso
wrote:
>
>
>Hum....I know virtually nothing about current movies. Nothing. Other
>than Christ, because i see people shitting over it everywhere, i
>couldn't tell you ONE movie in theatres right now. Really.
>I don't see how this could be likened to knowledge of wind.
>Understanding wind is a little more elemental to life than being up on
>movies, no?
>
Every movie that's released isn't treated as headline news. That's
the difference. As much as I love the movies, I don't even know about
every single movie released.....but I knew about the Passion of Christ
not because I'm into movies......but because I've seen/heard talk
about in the news, in newspapers, in the workplace, in the doctor's
office, magazines and even in this NG. Basically, it was virtually
impossible for me to go through life and have never heard of it.
Even if I didn't have a TV or read the news, I would have still heard
about from somewhere. That's why I found that gentlemen to be rather
odd when he said that he knew nothing about it.
Personally, I think he was lying. Like I said, it's virtually
impossible to exist in this city and have heard nothing of that movie.
You would have heard something....even in passing. (Over a cabbie's
car radio? Two people talking on the subway? Seen the headline while
passing a newstand? etc...)
>
>
>> I used to work w/ a woman who would come to work early to read the
>> paper at her desk....(The Daily News too...) yet one day when some of
>> us were talking about Puffy's trial, she's like "Who's Puffy? What's
>> he on trial for?" Excuse me!!! How could you live in NY and have
>> been reading the paper, esp. The Daily News, every single morning for
>> the past 3 weeks and then have to ask "Who's Puffy and what's he on
>> trial for?"
>
>Why should you expect people to have knowledge of shit that in no way
>affects them, except to quench some voyeuristic tendency?
>
If you read the paper for an hour faithfully every morning.....yeah, I
kinda do expect you to know something about what's printed in it. And
yeah, if it takes you "1 hour" to read the Daily News.....yeah, I
kinda expect you to have read most of the articles. It's not exactly
hard/heavy reading if you catch my drift.....
>Do you understand genetics?? Some scientists would find it pretty
>ignorant on yr part that you don't, given how they can affect you...
>
You shouldn't make assumptions because actually, I do to a certain
extent. Not as well as a scientist obviously.......but I do.
Guess what......I also think it's rather unreasonable for anyone who
was educated in the US to have no absolutely no knowledge of genetics.
If you have at least a HS diploma, you would have been exposed to even
the basics. Even before HS. If you can, take a look at the NYS
Science Exam that's given to all 4th graders....there's even a
question or two on there about it.
>
>> American pop-culture is extremely interesting. Do you have any idea
>> how much art, literature and music is influenced by American pop
>> culture? This little NG and the entire medium that we are using to
>> communicate wouldn't even exist without it, my friend.
>
>You know how much art, literature and music goes against American Pop
>culture and tries to fight against it ??? It just isn't heard as often,
>blanketed by all the american crap, power and reach.
>
>
I'm not one who is disposed to arguing the value of one type of art
over another. I value them all equally.....regardless of whether it
suits my taste or not. I dunno....does pop-culture devalue art that
is designed to go against it? Who know? My answer is that the very
trait that you mention....
" You know how much art, literature and music goes against American
Pop culture and tries to fight against it ??? It just isn't heard as
often, blanketed by all the american crap, power and reach."
...is also part of pop-culture. The whole "anti-pop consortium" is
fad for some people like any other.
>
>> Culture in general is interesting. I'm always amazed when I hear
>> people say things like that given how much of an impact it has on your
>> daily life.
>
>Who died on survivor? Who cares...
>Mariah Carey's love-life interests me? Has an impact on me?
>Puffy's new baseball glove? Mansion? Car?
>
Actually, I only watched the first season of Survivor so I don't even
know. but I do know that your views of what pop-culture entails is
much too narrow. That's not all there is to pop-culture. There are
museum exhibits dedicated to it. One example is FIT's exhibit on
Fashions throughout history. Did the women of the 1920's know that
one day, their flapper dresses would end up in a museum? The MET has
exhibits that include jewelry. Is it possible that the earrings that I
wore when I was 17 may someday be in a museum somewhere?
What about changes in language over the years? What about the culture
surrounding the Beats and their writing? What about reading a book
entitled "Diary of a Little Girl in Old New York" that was written by
a ten year old over 100 yrs ago? She talks about things like
cobblestoned streets.....not that many left in NY now.
>I couldn't be MORE removed from that shit.
>The closest i come to pop culture is American sports.
>And even they're getting too blatently commercialized for my tastes.
>
What's your favorite novel? What's your favorite song? Whose your
favorite rapper? Where do you live? What kind of home do you live in?
How is it decorated? Who did you vote for in the last election? Why
did you vote for that person? How did you get your info about that
person? Do you download music? Do you honestly think that Napster and
Kazaa are not products/icons of popular culture? What's your
favorite band? What do you like to do in your spare time? What kind
of computer do you have? What kind of soda did you drink today? Was
it a brand that one could have purchased 20 yrs ago? Would it have
come in the same type of container? Are you old enough to remember
that milk used to be delivered to homes in glass bottles? I'm not.
Are you old enough to remember when "ALL" TV channels used to sign off
at 2am w/ a picture of the American flag and the National Anthem?
What's your favorite food? What kind of shoes do you wear? How do
you wear your hair? What do you carry your things in? A knapsack? A
messenger bag? A briefcase? Do you wear a tie? Does it look any
different from the one your grandfather wore? Your great-grandfather?
That's not even the tip of the iceberg. Regardless of whether you
choose to acknowledge it......pop-cutlure affects everything about
you. The food you eat, the clothes you choose to buy., the products
that you use. The entertainment that you enjoy. Who you vote for.
The charities/causes you choose to support....etc etc. It affects
everything. It's all around you. It's impossible to be "more removed
from that shit".....unless of course you've forsaken society and
become a recluse in the woods.
mochaspresso
no offense intended........but I really don'y understand how someone
communicating w/ me via the internet is far removed from pop-culture.
The internet is a HUGE part of american pop-culture.
UK-Slay
> I download any TV shows I want and get the news and most of the cheesy
> sitcoms and hour dramas with my bunny ears so I just stick to that and
save
> the money for the internet.
What do you d/l? Where do you get it from?
---Pete---
mochaspresso
Allah) wrote:
>>>>> I never could understand people who never
>owned a TV or a radio or never read the newspapers.<<<<
>
>The one that gets me is people who have the Internet but don't have cable...
>
>Seems like you would have cable first....
yep.
Isn't cable internet service also the best and fastest available at
the moment? At least, I've found that to be so.
mattmatical
> American pop-culture is extremely interesting. Do you have any idea
> how much art, literature and music is influenced by American pop
> culture? This little NG and the entire medium that we are using to
> communicate wouldn't even exist without it, my friend.
If I may bring in a non-US perspective:
The frightening thing is how US pop culture feeds some sort of
globalized pop culture, determining how kids spend their time
and money. Especially with music and movies, kids worldwide
soak up US pop culture and adopt certain elements without really
having a basic understanding of the society these things come from.
I say that as someone who has been down that road himself. I was
exposed to it before I tried to analyze it. And while trying to analyze
it, I came to the conclusion that you can't really understand it if you
haven't lived there for a substantial amount of time.
If you take US hip-hop, I don't think it has ever been as popular in
Europe as it is now. And so you got legions of hip-hop-dressing
kids running around that at least to me increasingly look like pop
culture victims, puppets on a string.
This makes that US pop culture in its pure form is probably more
cohesive than in other places, where you have more influences that
determine a region's pop culture. It also seems more 'accepted'
in the US as a force in society, whereas in Europe you still have
a division between pop culture and 'real' culture, even though the
line is beginning to blur here as well.
Matt
suntzu
i would definitely take internet over cable. where i'm living now, i
ordered DSL as soon as i moved in. didn't get cable (well, drirectv,
actually, time warner isn't selling cable in my area until they finish
upgrading it all to digital) till maybe 2 or 3 months after moving in.
and actually, everyone i live with agreed to getting dsl w/o
complaining, it took some convincing to get them to in on sattelite.
but whatever, curb your enthusiasm and the dave chapelle show alone have
made it completely worth it. and i'm looking forward to seeing the new
season of the sopranos.
suntzu
> On 07 Mar 2004 19:21:08 GMT, blackn...@aol.compostheap (Kuahmel
> Allah) wrote:
>
>
>>>>>>I never could understand people who never
>>
>>owned a TV or a radio or never read the newspapers.<<<<
>>
>>The one that gets me is people who have the Internet but don't have cable...
>>
>>Seems like you would have cable first....
>
>
> yep.
>
> Isn't cable internet service also the best and fastest available at
> the moment? At least, I've found that to be so.
>
all depends on where you live. if you live in an area w/ cable
internet, but few subscribers, it'll probably be faster. as more
subscribers get on the amount of bandwith you can get will decline.
that's because cable internet splits a certain amount of bandwith in a
given area among however many subscribers there are (in a way, this is
true for every internet connection, but it's effects, for whatever
reason, are more noticable in cable setups.
dsl generally guarantees a certain average (or minimum, i'm not sure,
but probably average) download speed (say, 512 kbps downstream, 128 kbps
upstream). so it's often faster for areas with a larger subscriber base.
really, i've found that service varies widely by area and provider.
i've used at&t dsl in the boston area, sbc dsl in the houston area and
the (CA) bay area, cable in the boston area, and cable in the houston
area. dsl was generally faster but less reliable (sbc was particularly
bad about this, sometimes dropping my connection multiple times a day).
cable was noticably slower in both areas, but not to the point where
it wouldn't be worth the money. cable pretty much never dropped my
connection though.
of course, having an internet connection at a college university (or
some other large orginization with a connection closer to the back-bone)
beats anything.
kwaj
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Family Guy, Chappelles Show, Simpsons, Malcolm in the middle, Law and ORder,
Friends, etc
www.suprnova.org
bit torrent is crack
-loc
> ---Pete---
>
>
kwaj
arguments in here...I feel a need to respond directly to your post.
I don't post on RMHH because I am bored...rather I post because I genuinely
feel I have a relevant point of view on a topic which I think is worth
sharing. This tends to equate to me posting a response if I feel real
strongly about something too. I am sure this applies to a couple of peoplpe
in here
given that I have high-speed internet at work and I am front of my two
machines about 10 hours a day (guessing it's at least a T1) and broadband
cable wired right next to bed, I'll probably check RMHH about once every 2
hours if I am at work or home and post if it's neccesary. I am sure this
applies to a couple of people
- K
"mochaspresso" <mochas...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Nestajones
>Date: 3/7/2004 6:32 AM Eastern Standard Time
>It's basically the annoying crossposts killing it in here...
word, the crossposts are fuckin ridiculous. why are there still like 60 new
posts about fuckin janet jackson? who gives a shit?
i haven't read rmhh for almost 2 weeks, and on skimming thru it again, it looks
like there's almost no new interesting discussions. hopefully i'm missing
something.
recently (last few months) this place does seem to be very inbred...the circle
of people with something to say and who actually say it seems to have shrunk to
a very small number. so i understand why kuahmel is always trying to get new
blood in here (though i don't know how you go about it).
and i guess i'm partly to blame for any problems. this group, or any group,
is only as good as the people contributing to it. so if i wanna see better
discussions, i should bring up interesting topics.
anyway, this shit has happened before...4 years ago people would be bitchin
about how rmhh had really fallen off since the mid-90s...but if we look back 4
years ago, it seems like it was great in here.
so maybe this is just a phase...or maybe it's not as bad as it seems while
we're actually _in_ it...but i do worry about this group sometimes. i've now
been reading it for 10 years. that's a huge chunk of my life, and i've learned
a lot in here. it would be depressing if it just disintegrated into bullshit.
i'd like it to keep rolling along, so when i do drop by there's shit worth
reading. i saw that noixe is planning to make himself scarce, which sucks,
cause it's just one more of the good contributors fading away. when our family
gets this small, it gets overly reliant on each poster. i remember when bse
was MIA for a week or 2 recently, it seemed like there was nothin worth
reading. that's not a good thing.
so i'm rambling obviously. and i suppose the energy i've put into this post
would be better spent actually _doing_ the shit i'm whining about...making some
good posts. i don't even know if there's a real point to all this...i'd like to
say Everyone, write something Important! but shit, people obviously have real
lives and don't always have time to build in here. and the jokes and stupid
posts do have a place too. i just get worried when they seem to overwhelm the
good discussions, as seems to be the case recently.
well fuck it...i'll try to do my part when i can. anyone else who cares can
too. time for dinner...
alcove
> Every movie that's released isn't treated as headline news. That's
> the difference. As much as I love the movies, I don't even know about
> every single movie released.....but I knew about the Passion of Christ
> not because I'm into movies......but because I've seen/heard talk
> about in the news, in newspapers, in the workplace, in the doctor's
> office, magazines and even in this NG. Basically, it was virtually
> impossible for me to go through life and have never heard of it.
> Even if I didn't have a TV or read the news, I would have still heard
> about from somewhere. That's why I found that gentlemen to be rather
> odd when he said that he knew nothing about it.
It's truly not impossible to NOT know about it.
I do understand yr point, though, because this IS THE ONLY movies i know
that is out right now.
> If you read the paper for an hour faithfully every morning.....yeah, I
> kinda do expect you to know something about what's printed in it. And
> yeah, if it takes you "1 hour" to read the Daily News.....yeah, I
> kinda expect you to have read most of the articles. It's not exactly
> hard/heavy reading if you catch my drift.....
Do you read ALL of the paper? The whole thing, religiously? I don't
think many people do, things can be skimmed or skipped.
genetics:
> You shouldn't make assumptions because actually, I do to a certain
> extent. Not as well as a scientist obviously.......but I do.
I'm not assuming anything. You might know a bit about genetics, but i'm
saying it should more of a concern and interest than who's gonna get
voted off some inane show.
> Guess what......I also think it's rather unreasonable for anyone who
> was educated in the US to have no absolutely no knowledge of genetics.
> If you have at least a HS diploma, you would have been exposed to even
> the basics. Even before HS. If you can, take a look at the NYS
> Science Exam that's given to all 4th graders....there's even a
> question or two on there about it.
I rather not get into US school systems.
> Actually, I only watched the first season of Survivor so I don't even
> know. but I do know that your views of what pop-culture entails is
> much too narrow. That's not all there is to pop-culture. There are
> museum exhibits dedicated to it. One example is FIT's exhibit on
> Fashions throughout history. Did the women of the 1920's know that
> one day, their flapper dresses would end up in a museum? The MET has
> exhibits that include jewelry. Is it possible that the earrings that I
> wore when I was 17 may someday be in a museum somewhere?
I think we're differing a lot on our definition of "pop-culture".
It's obviously more expansive to you, and encompasses ALL of culture.
> What about changes in language over the years?
huh?
> What about reading a book
> entitled "Diary of a Little Girl in Old New York" that was written by
> a ten year old over 100 yrs ago? She talks about things like
> cobblestoned streets.....not that many left in NY now.
I don't consider this pop-culture. Am i nuts?
> What's your favorite novel? What's your favorite song? Whose your
> favorite rapper? Where do you live? What kind of home do you live in?
> How is it decorated? Who did you vote for in the last election? Why
> did you vote for that person? How did you get your info about that
> person? Do you download music? Do you honestly think that Napster and
> Kazaa are not products/icons of popular culture? What's your
> favorite band? What do you like to do in your spare time? What kind
> of computer do you have? What kind of soda did you drink today? Was
> it a brand that one could have purchased 20 yrs ago? Would it have
> come in the same type of container? Are you old enough to remember
> that milk used to be delivered to homes in glass bottles? I'm not.
> Are you old enough to remember when "ALL" TV channels used to sign off
> at 2am w/ a picture of the American flag and the National Anthem?
> What's your favorite food? What kind of shoes do you wear? How do
> you wear your hair? What do you carry your things in? A knapsack? A
> messenger bag? A briefcase? Do you wear a tie? Does it look any
> different from the one your grandfather wore? Your great-grandfather?
Do you want me to answer these questions?
> That's not even the tip of the iceberg. Regardless of whether you
> choose to acknowledge it......pop-cutlure affects everything about
> you.
I refuse. Fully.
Everything about me? haha.... you're kidding me.
I rode the bus today = pure pop-culture ?
The fact that i hate pretzels = pure pop-culture ?
> The food you eat, the clothes you choose to buy., the products
> that you use. The entertainment that you enjoy. Who you vote for.
> The charities/causes you choose to support....etc etc. It affects
> everything. It's all around you. It's impossible to be "more removed
> from that shit".....unless of course you've forsaken society and
> become a recluse in the woods.
It's not all around me. Partially, sometimes, perhaps. Yeah, i'll drink
a coke, but you're overplaying its presence in my life.
^alcove^
alcove
>
> no offense intended........but I really don'y understand how someone
> communicating w/ me via the internet is far removed from pop-culture.
> The internet is a HUGE part of american pop-culture.
(No offense taken!)
The internet is not dictating what i do upon it.
Does the fact that i'm on it mean i'm knee-deep in pop culture?
I could be using the internet to make money to grow chives that i could
be stringing together in hopes of connecting the poles.
^alcove^
alcove
I still check it, though, similar to a ritual.
It's 'next' to my email; quick and painless...
These days, just too quick.
Waxes and wanes.
^alcove^
"it's up and down like a toilet seat"
-my dad
mochaspresso
wrote:
It doesn't matter what YOU personally use if for or what I or anyone
else use it for. The fact that it exists and that so many other
people also use it is what makes it a large part of pop-culture.
mochaspresso
<k.oten...@student.unsw.edu.auNOSPAM> wrote:
>considering I have been party to some of the longest most drawn out
>arguments in here...I feel a need to respond directly to your post.
>
>I don't post on RMHH because I am bored...rather I post because I genuinely
>feel I have a relevant point of view on a topic which I think is worth
>sharing. This tends to equate to me posting a response if I feel real
>strongly about something too. I am sure this applies to a couple of peoplpe
>in here
>
>given that I have high-speed internet at work and I am front of my two
>machines about 10 hours a day (guessing it's at least a T1) and broadband
>cable wired right next to bed, I'll probably check RMHH about once every 2
>hours if I am at work or home and post if it's neccesary. I am sure this
>applies to a couple of people
>
>- K
>
I wasn't talking about you or any other regular poster. I was talking
about the troll posters who post 30 one line gibberish messages an
hour.
mochaspresso
wrote:
>
>> If you read the paper for an hour faithfully every morning.....yeah, I
>> kinda do expect you to know something about what's printed in it. And
>> yeah, if it takes you "1 hour" to read the Daily News.....yeah, I
>> kinda expect you to have read most of the articles. It's not exactly
>> hard/heavy reading if you catch my drift.....
>
>Do you read ALL of the paper? The whole thing, religiously? I don't
>think many people do, things can be skimmed or skipped.
>
.....I personally don't think it takes an hour to "skim" the NY Daily
News. Maybe I'm just a fast reader and she was just a slow one.
But whatever....If you think it's reasonable for someone to read the
paper every single day and not even notice the front page headlining
story.......to not even read the headline or look at the
picture.....well, then so be it. I don't think that's reasonable at
all.
>
>
>genetics:
>> You shouldn't make assumptions because actually, I do to a certain
>> extent. Not as well as a scientist obviously.......but I do.
>
>I'm not assuming anything. You might know a bit about genetics, but i'm
>saying it should more of a concern and interest than who's gonna get
>voted off some inane show.
>
......or what new hip-hop album is coming out? or whether Primo is a
better producer than Swzz Beats?
>
>I think we're differing a lot on our definition of "pop-culture".
>It's obviously more expansive to you, and encompasses ALL of culture.
>
>
>> What about changes in language over the years?
>
>huh?
>
Language is a part of pop-culture. Did the phrase dotcom exist 50 yrs
ago?
>
>> What about reading a book
>> entitled "Diary of a Little Girl in Old New York" that was written by
>> a ten year old over 100 yrs ago? She talks about things like
>> cobblestoned streets.....not that many left in NY now.
>
>I don't consider this pop-culture. Am i nuts?
>
It's a real diary and it gives a glimpse into "real culture" (as
someone else classified it) as well as the "pop-culture" of that
particular time. It's not just about the cobblestoned streets. There
are vivid desciptions of clothes etc.. She's talking about life in NY
during that period. All about life. When a contemporary person
publishes a memior and talks about their everyday lives and the things
that are popular in this age.....it's considered a piece of
pop-culture is it not? 100 yrs down the line, it becomes "history and
culture"....right now, it's simply "pop-culture".
I guess what I trying to say is that if you look in a recent
encyclopedia, you might see a picture of Madonna in there along w/ a
picture of Marie Antoinette.
>
>Do you want me to answer these questions?
>
no. I just want you to think about the fact that if you do something
so simple as shop in a supermarket.....you are a part of american
pop-culture whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. You don't
wnat to be, but you are. The fact that you even know about an "inane"
show that you supposedly don't even watch means that in some respects,
you are.
>
>
>> That's not even the tip of the iceberg. Regardless of whether you
>> choose to acknowledge it......pop-cutlure affects everything about
>> you.
>
>I refuse. Fully.
>Everything about me? haha.... you're kidding me.
>
>I rode the bus today = pure pop-culture
>The fact that i hate pretzels = pure pop-culture ?
>
now, you're being flippant.
>
>> The food you eat, the clothes you choose to buy., the products
>> that you use. The entertainment that you enjoy. Who you vote for.
>> The charities/causes you choose to support....etc etc. It affects
>> everything. It's all around you. It's impossible to be "more removed
>> from that shit".....unless of course you've forsaken society and
>> become a recluse in the woods.
>
>It's not all around me. Partially, sometimes, perhaps. Yeah, i'll drink
>a coke, but you're overplaying its presence in my life.
>
Maybe, I guess you're right. I buy bottled water....but that's not a
part of pop-culture either.
>^alcove^
mochaspresso
wrote:
>
>If I may bring in a non-US perspective:
>
Yes.....by all means. That's one of the reasons why I read this
group.....
>The frightening thing is how US pop culture feeds some sort of
>globalized pop culture, determining how kids spend their time
>and money. Especially with music and movies, kids worldwide
>soak up US pop culture and adopt certain elements without really
>having a basic understanding of the society these things come from.
>I say that as someone who has been down that road himself. I was
>exposed to it before I tried to analyze it. And while trying to analyze
>it, I came to the conclusion that you can't really understand it if you
>haven't lived there for a substantial amount of time.
>If you take US hip-hop, I don't think it has ever been as popular in
>Europe as it is now. And so you got legions of hip-hop-dressing
>kids running around that at least to me increasingly look like pop
>culture victims, puppets on a string.
>
>This makes that US pop culture in its pure form is probably more
>cohesive than in other places, where you have more influences that
>determine a region's pop culture. It also seems more 'accepted'
>in the US as a force in society, whereas in Europe you still have
>a division between pop culture and 'real' culture, even though the
>line is beginning to blur here as well.
>
>
>Matt
>
I actually don't disagree w/ anything that you've said. Except maybe
making the distinction between "pop-culture" and "real-culture". All
types of cultures and sub-cultures are real to me.....but that's
probably my own personal semantics issue.
alcove
> .....I personally don't think it takes an hour to "skim" the NY Daily
> News. Maybe I'm just a fast reader and she was just a slow one.
Personally, if i read the papes, and i see something about jesus, even
in the headlines, i'm not gonna read it. i am not interested.
>>I'm not assuming anything. You might know a bit about genetics, but i'm
>>saying it should more of a concern and interest than who's gonna get
>>voted off some inane show.
>>
> ......or what new hip-hop album is coming out? or whether Primo is a
> better producer than Swzz Beats?
Ok. Hip-hop has been relegated to pop-culture now?
Do you think Primo would like that.
(And of course hes' better than Swizz Beats, that's silly, hehee)
> Language is a part of pop-culture. Did the phrase dotcom exist 50 yrs
> ago?
Parts of language are. Perhaps how 16 yr old girls speak is.
Dotcom is still not a phrase/word in my mind, anyway.
>>I don't consider this pop-culture. Am i nuts?
>>
>
> It's a real diary and it gives a glimpse into "real culture" (as
> someone else classified it) as well as the "pop-culture" of that
> particular time. It's not just about the cobblestoned streets. There
> are vivid desciptions of clothes etc.. She's talking about life in NY
> during that period. All about life. When a contemporary person
> publishes a memior and talks about their everyday lives and the things
> that are popular in this age.....it's considered a piece of
> pop-culture is it not? 100 yrs down the line, it becomes "history and
> culture"....right now, it's simply "pop-culture".
The idea of pop-culture is a recent one, and i'd argue that it didn't
exist (or to nearly the degree) is does now.
The mention of clothes does not imply pop-culture, either.
> I guess what I trying to say is that if you look in a recent
> encyclopedia, you might see a picture of Madonna in there along w/ a
> picture of Marie Antoinette.
Ok...are they both pop-culture icons. Methinks not.
>
>
>>Do you want me to answer these questions?
>>
>
>
> no. I just want you to think about the fact that if you do something
> so simple as shop in a supermarket.....you are a part of american
> pop-culture whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. You don't
> wnat to be, but you are.
So, we're all just swallowed up by this pop-culture and have no
resisting forces at all. Take me away, Gap + McDonalds; i'm done here!
> The fact that you even know about an "inane"
> show that you supposedly don't even watch means that in some respects,
> you are.
I couldn't tell you the first fucking thing about Survivor. I know it
exists, yes. I'm afraid that doesn't make me part of the craze.
>>>That's not even the tip of the iceberg. Regardless of whether you
>>>choose to acknowledge it......pop-cutlure affects everything about
>>>you.
>>
>>I refuse. Fully.
>>Everything about me? haha.... you're kidding me.
>>
>>I rode the bus today = pure pop-culture
>>The fact that i hate pretzels = pure pop-culture ?
>>
> now, you're being flippant.
I'm not. Pop-culture, supposedly, permeates into every part of my life.
Does it or does it not? If i can't resist it, it must be dictating my
food preferences?? You asked what my favourite food was...non sequitur?
>>It's not all around me. Partially, sometimes, perhaps. Yeah, i'll drink
>>a coke, but you're overplaying its presence in my life.
>>
>
>
> Maybe, I guess you're right. I buy bottled water....but that's not a
> part of pop-culture either.
Is that a joke? ?
Bottled-water COULD BE one of the "most pop-culture"(whatever) products
in the world.
^alcove^
endus
<mochas...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>The cross-posting doesn't bother me so much. I'm just amazed at how
>long some of the threads go on for. It's kind of pathetic to sit in
>front of the computer for hours just to do that. Really, how boring
>can life get that you have absolutely nothing more entertaining to do?
>It's one thing to have one or two boring days....but some of those
>threads go on for days and days non stop.
Communicating with others in a deep and considered manner is a
positive thing...to me at least.
-- endus -- at -- endus -- dot -- com --
Not knowing what you want out of life is a pattern in itself,
perhaps the most rigid pattern of all. As a matter of fact
it's probably the most predominant pattern in the country
today, and just another name, in the long run, for what we
call the "American way of life". You are in a large and
very crowded boat, floating around aimlessly and complacently
in a very treacherous sea. At times I seriously regret that
I've divorced myself so completely from that pattern. Life
is much simpler that way, and very often much more pleasent.
-Hunter S. Thompson
bozak
"j." <x@y.z> wrote in message news:c2erj8$j35$1...@topaz.icpnet.pl...
> when I was here for the last time, the discussions were goin on and on and
> on, there were hundreds of posts everyday. And now, when I came back,
> noone's posting here - all I see is the dumb crossposts about Black men
> fucking white women, pros and cons of it, and some troubled guy seekin for
> help with his Google Toolbar, sendin an X-Post to 10 newsgroups.
> What's happened? Where's everyone? Pizon, Mr Bounce, Koumtje Brown,
> Mattmatical, Leonie, Phillystres, Bay Way 41510, locdogjr and all the
> other folks...? Is this newsgroup still alive?
of course its still alive... notice all the responses...
the answer to your question is as people get older they
get more responsibility and dont have as much time to fuck off...
even hiphoppers eventually have to conform to the ills of society if they
dont want to end up looking like common wearing a sweatshirt and
a sportscoat together except for the added stains and smell...
bozak
"Kuahmel Allah" <blackn...@aol.compostheap> wrote in message
news:20040307142108...@mb-m18.aol.com...
> owned a TV or a radio or never read the newspapers.<<<<
>
> The one that gets me is people who have the Internet but don't have cable...
>
> Seems like you would have cable first....
so if you had the choice between the internet and tv you would take
tv???
thats wack... i would think most people would take the interactive
rout vs. the vegetable rout...
endus
wrote:
I was all ready to say that you were crazy, but you know what...I
think it might be a dead heat between my internet addiction and my TV
addiction. Like...I watch some shows on TV regularly, but no way I
could entertain myself all the time with it anymore. I play online
games on the comp CONSTANTLY...dunno if I could live without that
entertainment...not to mention what would I do while I'm at work...
A to the L
said:
>All else said, RMHH is a tad weak these days.
>I still check it, though, similar to a ritual.
>It's 'next' to my email; quick and painless...
>These days, just too quick.
>
>Waxes and wanes.
its just cos I been a little busy...
sorry fans...
PEACH
A to the L
"I hope ya family got love for you soldier - cos one of them gon be your organ donor"
"Fuck the cup, pour it in my hand for a dime."
"I start what I finish, and I end what I start - look at my jeans they got starch."
locdogjr
"A to the L" <al...@nildram.co.uk> wrote in message
news:0bkp40djsi2oq76ft...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 00:01:07 -0500, alcove <leg.alc...@themind.ca>
> said:
>
> >All else said, RMHH is a tad weak these days.
> >I still check it, though, similar to a ritual.
> >It's 'next' to my email; quick and painless...
> >These days, just too quick.
> >
> >Waxes and wanes.
>
> its just cos I been a little busy...
>
> sorry fans...
lick my piss
-loc
mattmatical
> That's not even the tip of the iceberg. Regardless of whether you
> choose to acknowledge it......pop-cutlure affects everything about
> you. The food you eat, the clothes you choose to buy., the products
> that you use. The entertainment that you enjoy. Who you vote for.
> The charities/causes you choose to support....etc etc. It affects
> everything. It's all around you. It's impossible to be "more removed
> from that shit".....unless of course you've forsaken society and
> become a recluse in the woods.
You seem to have a rather broad definition of 'pop culture'.
It seems to encompass just about everything that goes on in
everyday life. Not that I have a clearer definition, but I'll try...
Pop culture to me is something that is manufactured, not something
that develops organically. It's the culture that capitalism brings forth.
Mass consumption items or topics that depend heavily on marketing.
Nothing wrong with that, but with all these business conglomerates
nowadays, the pop culture as it is sold to us is awarded with an
importance that in reality is just not there.
I admit that a large number of people are affected when celebrities
stand before trial. Puffy, Jay-Z, Martha Stewart, OJ Simpson, Michael
Jackson, Kobe Bryant, etc. The people who bought their products and
were entertained by them have a right to know if they've done something
wrong. But the overall amount of trial coverage for instance (as just one
example of celebrity news or sports invading the sphere of traditional news)
takes away precious airtime from more substantial news.
An anti-pop culture stance doesn't necessarily have to be yet another
fad (that itself becomes part of pop culture), but a real concern.
Matt
mochaspresso
wrote:
>mochaspresso wrote:
>
>> .....I personally don't think it takes an hour to "skim" the NY Daily
>> News. Maybe I'm just a fast reader and she was just a slow one.
>
>Personally, if i read the papes, and i see something about jesus, even
>in the headlines, i'm not gonna read it. i am not interested.
>
>
Really? I don't remember....were you one of the cats who was prone to
speaking so definitively on what Christians believe or don't believe?
After reading the above sentence, I certainly hope not.
>
>Ok. Hip-hop has been relegated to pop-culture now?
>Do you think Primo would like that.
>(And of course hes' better than Swizz Beats, that's silly, hehee)
>
Yes, I do think hip-hop has become a part of pop-culture.
>
>
>> Language is a part of pop-culture. Did the phrase dotcom exist 50 yrs
>> ago?
>
>Parts of language are. Perhaps how 16 yr old girls speak is.
>Dotcom is still not a phrase/word in my mind, anyway.
>
You know what it means when you hear it, though....don't you?
>
>The idea of pop-culture is a recent one, and i'd argue that it didn't
>exist (or to nearly the degree) is does now.
>The mention of clothes does not imply pop-culture, either.
>
I think it did. It just wasn't called "pop culture". That's a
contemporary term for it.
>
>> I guess what I trying to say is that if you look in a recent
>> encyclopedia, you might see a picture of Madonna in there along w/ a
>> picture of Marie Antoinette.
>
>Ok...are they both pop-culture icons. Methinks not.
>
My point was that as time passes, some aspects of pop-culture become
"history". Andy Warhol is in a museum and the encyclopedia just like
Van Gogh is.
>
>I couldn't tell you the first fucking thing about Survivor. I know it
>exists, yes. I'm afraid that doesn't make me part of the craze.
>
My point all along was that regardless of whether you personally watch
it, somehow you still know it exists.
>>>
>>>I rode the bus today = pure pop-culture
>>>The fact that i hate pretzels = pure pop-culture ?
>>>
>
>> now, you're being flippant.
>
>
>I'm not. Pop-culture, supposedly, permeates into every part of my life.
>Does it or does it not? If i can't resist it, it must be dictating my
>food preferences?? You asked what my favourite food was...non sequitur?
>
silliness
>
>
>>>It's not all around me. Partially, sometimes, perhaps. Yeah, i'll drink
>>>a coke, but you're overplaying its presence in my life.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe, I guess you're right. I buy bottled water....but that's not a
>> part of pop-culture either.
>
>Is that a joke? ?
>Bottled-water COULD BE one of the "most pop-culture"(whatever) products
>in the world.
>
Yes. It's a joke. I was being sarcastic.
mochaspresso
wrote:
>
>You seem to have a rather broad definition of 'pop culture'.
>It seems to encompass just about everything that goes on in
>everyday life. Not that I have a clearer definition, but I'll try...
>
I was just trying to point out that it's virtually impossible to live
in this society and not be affected by pop-culture in some way shape
or form.
>Pop culture to me is something that is manufactured, not something
>that develops organically. It's the culture that capitalism brings forth.
>Mass consumption items or topics that depend heavily on marketing.
>Nothing wrong with that, but with all these business conglomerates
>nowadays, the pop culture as it is sold to us is awarded with an
>importance that in reality is just not there.
I agree w/ everything up to the last 2 lines. If it's selling and
thus weaving it's way into pop-culture....it does become important
and/or relevant.
>I admit that a large number of people are affected when celebrities
>stand before trial. Puffy, Jay-Z, Martha Stewart, OJ Simpson, Michael
>Jackson, Kobe Bryant, etc. The people who bought their products and
>were entertained by them have a right to know if they've done something
>wrong. But the overall amount of trial coverage for instance (as just one
>example of celebrity news or sports invading the sphere of traditional news)
>takes away precious airtime from more substantial news.
I agree w/ this as well.
>An anti-pop culture stance doesn't necessarily have to be yet another
>fad (that itself becomes part of pop culture), but a real concern.
>
>
>Matt
>
-=-=->-=-=->-=-=->-=-=->-=-=->-=-=->-=-=->-=-=->-=-=->-=-=->-=-=->-=-=->-=-=->
Mochaspresso
alcove
> You seem to have a rather broad definition of 'pop culture'.
> It seems to encompass just about everything that goes on in
> everyday life. Not that I have a clearer definition, but I'll try...
>
> Pop culture to me is something that is manufactured, not something
> that develops organically. It's the culture that capitalism brings forth.
> Mass consumption items or topics that depend heavily on marketing.
> Nothing wrong with that, but with all these business conglomerates
> nowadays, the pop culture as it is sold to us is awarded with an
> importance that in reality is just not there.
What! what! quoi, quoi!
That's it. Matt SAID it.
Pop-culture, to me, is closely tied to mass-production.
^alcove^
truplaya611
not, but posting when they can. (I know that goes for me).
"j." <x@y.z> wrote in message news:c2erj8$j35$1...@topaz.icpnet.pl...
> Okay. Now I've been not subscribed to this group for about a month - and
> when I was here for the last time, the discussions were goin on and on and
> on, there were hundreds of posts everyday. And now, when I came back,
> noone's posting here - all I see is the dumb crossposts about Black men
> fucking white women, pros and cons of it, and some troubled guy seekin for
> help with his Google Toolbar, sendin an X-Post to 10 newsgroups.
> What's happened? Where's everyone? Pizon, Mr Bounce, Koumtje Brown,
> Mattmatical, Leonie, Phillystres, Bay Way 41510, locdogjr and all the
> other folks...? Is this newsgroup still alive?
> Or is there an alternative for alt.rap and rec.music.hip-hop...? If so,
> please tell me, so I could go and subscribe that group...
>
> --
> peace,
> Akim aka Joten
>
bozak
"truplaya611" <trupl...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:K6mdncR9qqV...@comcast.com...
> Heads are still here, probably just lurking due to hetic schedules and what
> not, but posting when they can. (I know that goes for me).
did you ever chat in black voices original from 96-98...
truplaya611
" bozak" <bo...@mail.com> wrote in message news:<c30sn7$1vpi60$1...@ID-178273.news.uni-berlin.de>...
Augi
> On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 10:57:46 +0100, "j." <x@y.z> wrote:
>
> >when I was here for the last time, the discussions were goin on and on and
>
> >What's happened? Where's everyone? Pizon, Mr Bounce, Koumtje Brown,
> >Mattmatical, Leonie, Phillystres, Bay Way 41510, locdogjr and all the
> >other folks...? Is this newsgroup still alive?
>
>
> their userbase. Some communities have a constant influx of fresh
> faces who contribute, while others don't. I remember two years ago
> when this NG was in its prime... battles and rhymes posted every day,
> a huge roster of regular posters, etc etc etc. Sometime between then
> and now, things changed.
>
> It may not mean much, but Alt.Rap was already declared dead way back
> when - that's when RMHH was created. And then Alt.Rap came back.
> Sooner or later the cycle will repeat itself, because that's more or
> less the way the internet works.
>
> -DOKool
Yeah good point. alt.rap was declared dead in 1995 with the creation
of rec.music.hip-hop. Everyone migrated to rmhh. Eventually new
members started to pour into alt.rap and by '96 it was already up and
running again. It's been going strong since '96 and really started to
gain a sense of community around '98-'99... then slowly since I'd say
late '03 and early '04 people have been slipping away... either they
disappeared, or a lot of them moved and followed the trend to rmhh
where the discussions are far more frequent and the sense of community
and establishment are far greater and more concrete. I have to admit I
been a diehard alt.rapper since '97 but lately I've been busy, and I'm
guilty of merging with the rmhh community as well. I've tried in the
past to get discussions going but people rather not participate on
alt.rap. RMHH has always seemed to be the discussion capital compared
to alt.rap So off to rmhh I go... when this place starts jumping again
I might come back. Hell I won't be surprised if this year we miss our
first KOTNG since its inception in '98, due to lack of active
subscribers and overall a lack of motivation that seems linger on in
this newsgroup.
Augi
j.
receiving any posts up in here for like a month and now I got about 300
new messages and some replies to never-seen-before threads.
Seems like my Internet provider went crazy or something. But it should be
okay now, I hope.
--
peace,
akim
213<at>hot<dot>pl