all hate aside, one question
Muggsly17
Anticon vs the Grouch vs Eyedea vs EL-P vs Eminem vs
Everlast/Remedy/Ec Illa
The continuum might not be on point, but the direction is that Anticon
is far from traditional hip hop and Everlast is traditional as it
gets.
All of them got some moving songs (everlast more in his rock singer
mode...but those are just details)
What makes Anticon's angst different than Eminem's or Eyedea's?
one
k. orr
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>The Sharper Question
>
>Anticon vs the Grouch vs Eyedea vs EL-P vs Eminem vs
>Everlast/Remedy/Ec Illa
>
>The continuum might not be on point, but the direction is that Anticon
>is far from traditional hip hop and Everlast is traditional as it
>gets.
I don't know that I would put the grouch there. Mystik Journeymen
would be a better choice if you ask me but whateva.
>All of them got some moving songs (everlast more in his rock singer
>mode...but those are just details)
>
>What makes Anticon's angst different than Eminem's or Eyedea's?
I think Eminem deals with more raw shit. He also uses pretty dierct
language...he just puts it right out there. The anticon guys are more
philisophical ("all this hurt and pain is relative"...says it all).
They talk about more touchey feely less serious shit. They seem like
they've had less trauma in their lives, and so they go into more
subtle psychological introspection. The imagery goes along with that.
They're less direct than a guy like Eminem.
~~ e ~~ n ~~ d ~~ u ~~ s ~~ d ~~ o ~~ t ~~ c ~~ o ~~ m ~~
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kind of high powered mutant never even considered
for mass production. Too weird to live, and too
rare to die. -Hunter S. Thomson
Todd Ito
:> What makes Anticon's angst different than Eminem's or Eyedea's?
: They don't like Anticon, that's what.
first of all, who's they? second of all, if people dislike anticon,
don't they have a reason? could that reason perhaps be related to
how far they belive anticon is from traditional hip-hop?
it's not just hating to hate, even though you consistently hint that
you think it is.
todd
Todd Ito
: I don't know that I would put the grouch there. Mystik Journeymen
: would be a better choice if you ask me but whateva.
i think the grouch is there because the topic is white rappers.
the mystik journeymen are black.
todd
Mr Bounce
group anyway...
i would have said the discussion was more about the emotion of the lyrics
and music being buried behind the either overly intellectual or experimental
beats - such as anticons wilfully obscure/minimalist stuff, and over
complicaiton of rhymes, thereby creating music you have to think about to
appreaciate rather than listen to to feel.
eminems angset is straight up and in yer face while some others just pile it
beneath layers of meaning and rhymne-skills-for-the-sake-of-it.
or something.
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Todd Ito
: i thought anticon were black..? or at least the three members of the main
: group anyway...
you may be confusing them with antipop consortium. they're all black, as
far as i know. anticon is not really a group, but more a collective of
artists, the main ones being sole, sebutones, dose, why?, and alias.
there's actually a lot of artists down with anticon. almost all white.
: i would have said the discussion was more about the emotion of the lyrics
: and music being buried behind the either overly intellectual or experimental
: beats - such as anticons wilfully obscure/minimalist stuff, and over
: complicaiton of rhymes, thereby creating music you have to think about to
: appreaciate rather than listen to to feel.
i don't think that's it. you could argue that ras kass is overly
intellectual or that outkast has experimental beats. i don't think it's
that people have to think about anticon's music to appreciate it. it's
pretty plain most of the time what they're talking about. the thing i
don't like about most of them is that they are incredibly pretentious,
both lyrically and musically, and the emcees generally don't flow or have
any rhythm. there are exceptions, though. dose, while very pretentious,
has crazy flow and swings like a motherfucker.
i'll write more later, when i don't have a paper due in 3 hours...that's
only 1/3 done.
todd
Mr Bounce
> you may be confusing them with antipop consortium.
i am. so are anticon *nothing* to do with antipop? i got this twisted cos
anticon looks like a truncation...
if there is a real difference, the only anticon guy with whom i'm familiar
is sage francis, who i think is a'ight. never heard any clouddead, etc. in
the case of sage francis i agree that there isnt much decoding to be done to
find out what hes getting at.
the point i was making about anti pop was that, in the case of arrhythmia,
the beats are experimental not in an outkast "BOB" way. BOB may be
experimental but it has groove, whereas anti pop seem to ditch all that in
favour of some avante garde type "experimenting with the space between
sounds", which, when combined with the lyrics, i find impenetrable.
but thay have nothing to do with it.. the avante garde thing may well hold
true for the anticon lot though...? cos that kind of deliberate artiness is
enough to put a lot of people off in the same way that most people dismiss
modern conceptual art as rubbish.
Noixe, the other Adrock
I thought EC Illa was black.
Muggsly17
Mere coincidence
The question still stands.
one
k. orr
Nesta
>Date: Thu, Nov 21, 2002 3:34 PM
>I thought EC Illa was black.
nope, he's the white MC eiht.
"don't ever get an ill cracker pissed..."
...nesta...
Most of you can't even comprehend what I am saying to you
Even in my human form the message I'm relaying
One good thing about music
When it hits you feel no pain
Nesta
>Date: Wed, Nov 20, 2002 11:43 PM
>Anticon vs the Grouch vs Eyedea vs EL-P vs Eminem vs
>Everlast/Remedy/Ec Illa
>
>The continuum might not be on point, but the direction is that Anticon
>is far from traditional hip hop and Everlast is traditional as it
>gets.
yeah, i think grouch should probably slide 2 spots to the right. and everlast,
now that he is in "his rock singer mode," is hardly as traditional as it gets.
but regardless...
>What makes Anticon's angst different than Eminem's or Eyedea's?
well, my quick answer is that i don't think eminem generally exhibits much
angst. it's more anger or pain. endus wrote that he deals with more raw shit.
i think that's true. he shows "stronger" emotions.
the feelings that eyedea professes seem to be similar to some anticon stuff,
and of course he's somewhat associated w/ them anyway.
el-p i don't think really expresses a lot of personal emotion...
the grouch also deals with angst, but i'd say he expresses it more directly
than some anticon heads.
T. Tauri
>
> dose, while very pretentious,
> has crazy flow and swings like a motherfucker.
Is this something I should be hearing on Hemispheres (I think that's
what I have, s'in storage--black and white sleeve, kind of like an
animal thing on the cover, sort of reminds me of really old maps of the
world), or does it turn up more in other stuff?
'Cause on that joint, he sounds a helluva alot like William Shatner to
me.
Peece,
T. Tauri
arkarda
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> >From: mugg...@lycos.com (Muggsly17)
> >Date: Wed, Nov 20, 2002 11:43 PM
>
> >Anticon vs the Grouch vs Eyedea vs EL-P vs Eminem vs
> >Everlast/Remedy/Ec Illa
> >
>
I have to admit, I gotta a bias towards
Everlast, then Eminem.Ems the nu breed
amongst the white rappers. Everlast is pedigree,
I remember him back in the mid Eighties with the Ice-T
Rhyme Syndicate rocking his Celtic cap,
and rhyming on point.
And that 1st Album by House of Pain is underated.
"Put your head out " with Cypress Hill is still a banger.
who can forget the lines -
"peace to the Nations-Zulu and Islam" on
Top of the morning to ya.Nearly fell off
my chair.
His Remix of shooks ones part 2,
all about LA on the loud rocks
compilation is fuckin cool too.
As for his rock phase, well most
Rappers sell out by going RnB,
so at least he tried different and
his songs worked and were sincere.
Arkarda.
The Original High-C
> The Original High-C <SPAMj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>:> What makes Anticon's angst different than Eminem's or Eyedea's?
>
>: They don't like Anticon, that's what.
>
> first of all, who's they?
The people who don't like Anticon...
> second of all, if people dislike anticon,
> don't they have a reason? could that reason perhaps be related to
> how far they belive anticon is from traditional hip-hop?
>
> it's not just hating to hate, even though you consistently hint that
> you think it is.
>
No, it is their hatred of Anticon that causes them to dismiss everything
related to them.
> todd
The Original High-C
news:20021121214458...@mb-cu.aol.com:
>>From: mugg...@lycos.com (Muggsly17)
>>Date: Wed, Nov 20, 2002 11:43 PM
>
>>Anticon vs the Grouch vs Eyedea vs EL-P vs Eminem vs
>>Everlast/Remedy/Ec Illa
>>
>>The continuum might not be on point, but the direction is that Anticon
>>is far from traditional hip hop and Everlast is traditional as it
>>gets.
>
> yeah, i think grouch should probably slide 2 spots to the right. and
> everlast, now that he is in "his rock singer mode," is hardly as
> traditional as it gets. but regardless...
>
>>What makes Anticon's angst different than Eminem's or Eyedea's?
>
> well, my quick answer is that i don't think eminem generally exhibits
> much angst. it's more anger or pain. endus wrote that he deals with
> more raw shit.
> i think that's true. he shows "stronger" emotions.
>
> the feelings that eyedea professes seem to be similar to some anticon
> stuff, and of course he's somewhat associated w/ them anyway.
>
> el-p i don't think really expresses a lot of personal emotion...
>
> the grouch also deals with angst, but i'd say he expresses it more
> directly than some anticon heads.
>
Anticon are too existentialist? Could that be it?
ex搏s暗en暗ial搏sm ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gz-stnsh-lzm, ks-)
n.
A philosophy that emphasizes the uniqueness and isolation of the
individual experience in a hostile or indifferent universe, regards human
existence as unexplainable, and stresses freedom of choice and
responsibility for the consequences of one's acts.
>
> ...nesta...
>
> Most of you can't even comprehend what I am saying to you
> Even in my human form the message I'm relaying
>
> One good thing about music
> When it hits you feel no pain
>
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$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com:
>
> "Nesta" <nesta...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20021121214458...@mb-cu.aol.com...
>> >From: mugg...@lycos.com (Muggsly17)
>> >Date: Wed, Nov 20, 2002 11:43 PM
>>
>> >Anticon vs the Grouch vs Eyedea vs EL-P vs Eminem vs
>> >Everlast/Remedy/Ec Illa
>> >
>>
>
> I have to admit, I gotta a bias towards
> Everlast, then Eminem.Ems the nu breed
> amongst the white rappers. Everlast is pedigree,
> I remember him back in the mid Eighties with the Ice-T
> Rhyme Syndicate rocking his Celtic cap,
> and rhyming on point.
>
He was pretty booty, back then. He was mostly always pretty booty.
> And that 1st Album by House of Pain is underated.
> "Put your head out " with Cypress Hill is still a banger.
> who can forget the lines -
>
I couldn't believe it when he came back with that image makeover. It was
hard to take him seriously.
> "peace to the Nations-Zulu and Islam" on
> Top of the morning to ya.Nearly fell off
> my chair.
>
> His Remix of shooks ones part 2,
> all about LA on the loud rocks
> compilation is fuckin cool too.
>
> As for his rock phase, well most
> Rappers sell out by going RnB,
> so at least he tried different and
> his songs worked and were sincere.
>
> Arkarda.
Noixe, the other Adrock
hmmm...el-p's beats speak to me. I don't entire know what he's
frustrated/upset about on "ridiculoid," but the beat makes me feel his
pain. same on aesop rock's "nickel plated nines"...they just have this
vibe of frustrated despair that I'm down with in a rich white way
*much* more than anticon.
Todd Ito
: Anticon are too existentialist? Could that be it?
nas is easily more existential than any anticon rapper.
so is scarface.
thanks for the defintion, though.
todd
arkarda
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>
> >
> > "Nesta" <nesta...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20021121214458...@mb-cu.aol.com...
> >> >From: mugg...@lycos.com (Muggsly17)
> >> >Date: Wed, Nov 20, 2002 11:43 PM
> >>
> >> >Anticon vs the Grouch vs Eyedea vs EL-P vs Eminem vs
> >> >Everlast/Remedy/Ec Illa
> >> >
> >>
> >
> > I have to admit, I gotta a bias towards
> > Everlast, then Eminem.Ems the nu breed
> > amongst the white rappers. Everlast is pedigree,
> > I remember him back in the mid Eighties with the Ice-T
> > Rhyme Syndicate rocking his Celtic cap,
> > and rhyming on point.
> >
>
> He was pretty booty, back then. He was mostly always pretty booty.
>
Dude. That first house of Pain Album was
**ON POINT**.
"I never love a pig coz a pig is a cop
better yet a Terminator
like Arnold Schwarzenegger
try to play me as if my name was Sega"
You know you were "jumping around" to that
tune.
> > And that 1st Album by House of Pain is underated.
> > "Put your head out " with Cypress Hill is still a banger.
> > who can forget the lines -
> >
>
> I couldn't believe it when he came back with that image makeover. It was
> hard to take him seriously.
>
Man went thru some rough shit.
He was always intereasted in Islam,
and most things black back in the day.
He chose to come back in a more rootsy
rocks vibe coz that's how he felt he could be more sincere,
he didn't come on bragging about his hoe, his bitch,
Million dollar rims bullshit.
Lauryn Hill did something similar,
but more soul based.
Arkarda.
locdogjr
that has ever been recorded or dreamt up.
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How many dead folks this art resurrected
How many nations this culture connected
Who am I to judge one's perspective?"
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The Original High-C
$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com:
Fuck that.
"I'll hit your head and then you'll wake up in the dawn of the dead"
WHAT THE FUCK?
>> > And that 1st Album by House of Pain is underated.
>> > "Put your head out " with Cypress Hill is still a banger.
>> > who can forget the lines -
>> >
>>
>> I couldn't believe it when he came back with that image makeover. It
was
>> hard to take him seriously.
>>
>
> Man went thru some rough shit.
> He was always intereasted in Islam,
> and most things black back in the day.
>
> He chose to come back in a more rootsy
> rocks vibe coz that's how he felt he could be more sincere,
> he didn't come on bragging about his hoe, his bitch,
> Million dollar rims bullshit.
>
"1s, 5s, tens and twenties
100gs, and I'm pullin' honeys"
> Lauryn Hill did something similar,
> but more soul based.
>
Shaved her head and came back Irish thug style?
The Original High-C
news:1ITD9.210063$C8.5...@nnrp1.uunet.ca:
> Jump around is a million times better than any Def jux, Anticon, or
> High-C that has ever been recorded or dreamt up.
>
And I guess 'I Need Love' is even better than 'Jump Around'?
TJ Xenos
>
>"I'll hit your head and then you'll wake up in the dawn of the dead"
>
>WHAT THE FUCK?
old horror movie where corpses come back. He's saying he'll hit you so hard
you'll die and come back as a zombie, perfect braggadocio line esp for the
time...
T.J. Xenos
xen...@student.wit.edu
"And I don't have to worry, only worry is him
She do anything necessary for him
And I do anything necessary for her
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The Original High-C
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>>Fuck that.
>>
>>"I'll hit your head and then you'll wake up in the dawn of the dead"
>>
>>WHAT THE FUCK?
>
> old horror movie where corpses come back. He's saying he'll hit you so
> hard you'll die and come back as a zombie, perfect braggadocio line
> esp for the time...
I know what the movie is, I just find that line to be weak as fuck.
> T.J. Xenos
> xen...@student.wit.edu
> "And I don't have to worry, only worry is him
> She do anything necessary for him
> And I do anything necessary for her
> so don't let the necessary occur, yep!"
>
>
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---Pete---
No. Anticon are a bunch of pretentious cunts who think that because they are
white and middle class, they feel they are the only people who have a grasp
on introspection and experimentation within hip-hop. Why can't they be more
like groups like Radiohead, who are middle class, white and introspective
(almost on the point of depression) who come out and don't say shit to try
and discredit other rock artists, even if they aren't their cup of tea? If
they hate the world they live in so much and are so full of angst, why don't
they do a Kurt Cobain and bite a bullet?
By the way, thanks for the definition. Being a hip-hop fan, I would have not
known what being an existentialist means.
Cunt.
---Pete---
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I didnt read the post but Im so glad to know Jason is now offering definitions.
If only we could be like him.
BSE
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