Summarizing the 90's
Andrew Ryall
of this, sorry, I thought I posted it originally but it didn't
show up on MY server so I guess it didn't make the cut.
Anyway...
Today I was thinking about some of my favorite movies. I was
trying to figure out what were the 10 movies that had the
largest effect on me or that I enjoyed the most in the 90's.
So then I got to thinking about hip hop. I figure if other
media can jump the gun and summarize the decade with a year
and a month left, why can't RMHH?
So here it is: what are the best 10 albums of the 90's, to
you, and why? Bonus points will be awarded to those who
include the why part. I love seeing people conceptualize
what makes something their favorite.
In tony1er'ian style, the correct answers will follow, if
anyone cares.
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Andrew Ryall wrote:
> So here it is: what are the best 10 albums of the 90's, to
> you, and why? Bonus points will be awarded to those who
> include the why part. I love seeing people conceptualize
> what makes something their favorite.
Here's my list. Harder than I thought it would be to put together, so I
made it a little easier in that if an artist had two albums in the list
I counted them as one album :-)
So many tough choices, such as cutting "Resurrection", "Low End Theory",
"A Book of Human Language" and "The Chronic"out of the list, but with
only 10 spots... sacrifices had to be made.
Welp here they are... loosely in chronological order:
Ice Cube "Amerikkka's Most Wanted" 1990
Ice Cube "Death Certificate" 1991
These two albums probably more than any album in history showed that
streets could be combined with activism in a positive manner. One of
hip hops great storytellers with a tongue of venom. These two albums
gave Cube the name that he still walks on.
De La Soul "De La Soul is Dead" 1991
One of the few albums that was proclaimed as a classic when it
dropped... and well they were right! How good is this album? Their
parody of house music is even listenable!
BDP "Sex and Violence" 1992
From one of the most dominant groups of the 90's, comes an incredible
work that isn't often spoken of. KRS-1 spits probably the tightest
lyrics of his 10+ year career on this album. The production is
ridiculously tight and when Freddie Foxx appears... well it's nothing
nice. If someone asked me "What is the one BDP/KRS1 essential?" I would
struggle between this album and "By Any Means Necessary".
Black Sheep "A Wolf In Sheeps Clothing" 1992
While ATCQ "Low End Theory" was the defining album of the progressive
movement, this album might actually be a better one. Well I don't wanna
get into that... both great albums worth owning, but if I had to choose
one... ummm... I don't know... this is my most borderline selection...
replace LET if you feel you absolutely must.
CMW "Music to Driveby" 1992
Was '92 a good year for gangsta rap or what (with the Chronic and all)?
Beatwise they came with a completely different sound than what we heard
on the Chronic and it still hit. Unfortunately with everyone biting
Dre's style, the Chronic quickly grew old (sounded dated), but "Music to
Driveby" is still one of the freshest sounding albums of the early 90s.
I almost wanna go fight DJ Quik.
2Pac "Strictly 4 My NIGGAZ" 1993
One of the most prolific and influential MCs of our time... this was his
best album. This is one of those albums that when you pick it up all of
the feelings of this time come back to you. You remember all of the
political strife, the tensions, the love. When you hear this album you
can understand why people who never met the man cried a thousand tears
at his death.
The Coup "Kill My Landlord" 1993
The Coup "Genocide & Juice" 1994
Quite simply... the two best political albums ever barring only "It
Takes a Nation ...". Nuff said.
Goodie Mob "Soul Food" 1995
Goodie Mob "Still Standing" 1998
For "Soul Food" they put hip hop in the context of the old negro
spirituals and carried it. Other groups shouldn't even try to do what
they accomplished. "Still Standing" put a very different spin on things
and represented with a maybe even stronger album. Gotta love'em.
The Roots "Do You Want More" 1995
In many respects they picked up where ATCQ fell off.
Outkast "ATLiens" 1996
Here they go again. They squashed all talk of a slump and delivered an
album with fresh production and
That's it! The official top 10 of the 90's.
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1991 is basically hip-hop's departure point as far as i'm really concerned. 4
remarkably important releases i'd say are of the top ten of the decade.
west coast 1991:
1. Freestyle Fellowship's "To Whom It May Concern." beyond anything created in
hip-hop up to that point, still beyond 99 percent of the music being made. the
first honest introduction of jazz ethics. shit wasn't "jazzy," it was jazz.
2. Del the funkee homosaphien's "I Wish My Brother George Was Here." Though not
genre redefining, important nonetheless. Almost a bay area satellite of O.K.
and F.F., Del brought the roundabout raps to a straightfoward audience, the
literal and metaphorical cousin to Ice Cube's head-on mainstream approach.
east coast:
3. Organized Konfusion, 1991
An incredible album. Up to this OK album, Del's album and F.F.'s album,
hip-hop fans looking for something different or something more were only
tickled by De La and Ultra.
This was the combination of those two, with a more agressively progressive
delivery. Pharoah almost mirrors Mikah's brilliance at times on the first OK
album. Almost.
4. De La Soul's "De La Is Dead."
an incredible album, though not my favorite de la. significant for their
reaction to the response from their way-out debut.
1992
5. Tribe Called Quest's "Low End Theory."
Phife is rather less-than ingenious, and q-tip is off/on lyrically, but
everything worked on this album. The balance was absolute, the vibe was
something that was never really heard in hip-hop before, the warmth was really
unprecedented.
1993
6. De La Soul, "Buhloone Mindstate"
Beautiful album. Probably the last true De La album, at that. The beats are
fuckign gorgeous, "IamIbe" is one of the greatest songs ever recorded.
7. Freestyle Fellowship, "Innercity Griots."
Broke out and created so many new things with this album. the FF and
Underground Railroad compared to any Roots stuff is like Funkadelic vs. the
O'Jay; the O'Jays were cool and could carry a tune, but Funkadelic broke
ground, damnit. thats where my hearts at, this is my second favorite album of
all time.
1994
8. Nas, "Illmatic"
Beyond the nill point that this basically brought thug rap into public
attention in a huge way, it was truly a dope record. Everybody in hip-hop
bumped this album at the time, EVERYbody.
9. Common Sense, "Resurrection."
A work both mature and playful, contemplative and punchliney, the balance was
fuckign dope on this shit. It seemed like Com was grown up yet still
searching, crackign jokes to amuse himself on the ride. Plus the production
was the bump.
10. Digable Planets, "Blowout Comb."
Probably the second most orchestrated hip-hop piece behind "Innercity Griots."
The mesh of live and sampled music was nothing less than remarkable. This is a
classic for sure.
all of the above i'll be able to listen to in 10 years.
mentions: Project Blowed, Saafir's "Boxcar Sessions," Acey's "Book Of Human
Language."
the pedestrian
Steve S. Jackson
: If this is the 2nd time I posted something along the lines
: of this, sorry, I thought I posted it originally but it didn't
: show up on MY server so I guess it didn't make the cut.
:
: Anyway...
:
: Today I was thinking about some of my favorite movies. I was
: trying to figure out what were the 10 movies that had the
: largest effect on me or that I enjoyed the most in the 90's.
:
: So then I got to thinking about hip hop. I figure if other
: media can jump the gun and summarize the decade with a year
: and a month left, why can't RMHH?
: So here it is: what are the best 10 albums of the 90's, to
: include the why part. I love seeing people conceptualize
: what makes something their favorite.
I hate doing 10 best or top tens so I'll give you the 10 most influential
and why:
Low End Theory-- epitomized/started the Native Tongues style of hip-hop.
Paved the way for artists such as the Roots, Common, and Black Eyed Peas.
Chronic/Doggystyle: said f*ck the East Coast [not directly though] in a big
way and put "gangsta rap" on everyone's tongue
Illmatic: one word- lyricism.
Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik-- told e'eryone the South was present and
had a voice.
No Limit Records: Voice of the Dirty South.
No Way Out and Bad Boy Records: Voice of the Material East.
Ready to Die: said f*ck the West Coast [again, not directly] and let
everyone know that the East wasn't takin' no shorts no more. Also
combined the playa mentality with the thug mentality making it easier for
folk like Jay-Z to emerge.
Enter the 36: one word-- HARD! Universal in music. No matter where they
were from, cats was feelin' Wu. Also pioneered the Do-It-Yourself
mentality with Prtect Ya Neck and brought back the idea of more than two
cats rappin' on a record (9 MCs, WTF?)
Bizarre Ride to...-- proved the West wasn't all about the "gangsta rap."
Picked up where Freestyle Fellowship and all those cats left off.
E. 1999 Eternal/Resurrection: hip-hop does exist in Middle America
Like I said, not necessarily the best, but probably the most influential
in my mind. I was trying to think of an lp that defined the underground
but off hand, I couldn't. That could be because I'm not in touch with
underground like I used to be. any assistance would be helpful. I'm
noticing alot of these things are crossover hits (between the true and
the mainstream) and/or big sellers. Hmmm... I wonder if that's aying
something. Agree, disagree, comments???
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1. The Chronic.
After this album I was checking for all sorts of west-coast stuff. For
a while, anything death row dropped was a must-buy. this started the
ball rolling. I didn't care (and still don't) for the whole gangsta
image, but it sounded so damn fresh.
2. Cypress Hill.
Fresh Fresh Fresh. Brand new sound to me. The beats, B-real's voice.
Duke, duke, duke of...
3. Lords of the Underground (here come the lords).
Sure, clown me. This is one of my all-time favorite albums, "Chief
Rocka" is one of my top 10 all time songs, and the rest of the album is
tight.
4. Doggystyle.
May as well have been packaged as a part two with Dre's, but this album
is great, back when Snoop used to put some effort into his rapping.
5. E. 1999 Eternal.
I first found out about Bone with "the creepin on ah come up" ep, before
I had even heard of them. It was in the bargain section at HMV, and it
said "featuring Eazy-E" on the cover, so I got it. I loved it, I had
never heard anything like, I though this was fresh-fresh. So when E-1999
Eternal came out, I snapped it up, probalby the last good album they'll
ever have.
6. Atliens.
Don't really have to say much about this 'cause y'all know how great it
is already. But this had me fiending for Aquemini, and I then picked up
Southernplayalisticadillacmusic. (For 4 bucks at the pawn shop if you
can believe my luck)
7. Das EFX's first.
What? Yeah! I loved it, It's a short album, but a great album, Not a
song on it I don't like. Another new style, production was decent and
the lyrical style was fresh.
8. 2Pac Me against the world.
I'm sure a lot of you disagree with this one. I think the entire album
is tight minus one song. I don't like the way he rapped on his earlier
albums, and wasn't too fond of the stuff he did with death row.
9. Bizzare Ride to the Pharcyde.
Oh my. This was a whole truckload of freshness packed into a little
jewel case. It's not about being hard, and it's not about love songs.
Just a wicked album, I actually haven't listened to this in a while, I'm
gonna put it on tonight.
10. Aquemini.
Yeah, I know two OutKast Albums. But IMO, they're that good.
A
KSG
HOT9-7 wrote:
> In article <72vsn3$795$1...@News.Dal.Ca>, The Honkey Beater
> <ar...@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
> Enter the Wu
> Tical
> LIquid Swords
> Silent Weapons for Silent Wars (haven't heard all, but i heard some)
> Only Built for cuban Linx
> Judgement Day
> The Swarm
> Gravediggas 2nd
> It Was Written
> Bobby Digital
What about ODB's album!!! I hate people that don't recognize Wu Tang's
dominance.
The Honkey Beater
(Not really in order)
1. Buck65-Vertex: this tape is just too amazing to me. It's like way too
difficult to describe, but picture it this way... Buck is the master of
finding breakbeats (he can only be rivaled by Mumbles), 50 songs varying
in length and format, hella concepts explored, and buck says some of the
most intelligent things that I've ever heard. Top all of that off with
some super-tight cutting (Buck's a member of the 1200 Hobos) and this is
one of the most superb albums ever.
2. A Tribe Called Quest-The Low End Theory: I'll come clean, I never
really felt tribe even before BR&L, but this is one of the most amazing
things I've ever heard. Pedestrian summed it up quite nicely.
3. Freestyle Fellowship-Innercity Griots: they were just on some next shit
(and I hate that term). The production (some of the dopest jazzy-breaks
ever) was just too tight for words.
4. Organized Konfusion: okay, we really don't need to go over this
anymore. Funky breaks, Pharoah and Po just came with shit that needs to be
heard.
5. Nas-Illmatic: Again, I don't really need to go over this one.
6. KMD-Black Bastards: okay, the best album no ones ever heard. Many props
to Kenny Hyde for the dub. Basically, take the shit from Ruffs and
Rares+What a Niggy Know and extend it to a full-length, that's what you
get. A damn shame that it was never released.
7. Del-No Need For Alarm: This one is a definate personal choice. Don't
ask me why, but every beat appeals to me, and Del was so sick. This album
is just beautiful to me.
8. Common-Ressurection: a bonafied hip-hop classic. NO.I.D. was so tight
with the ill jazz-influenced breaks. Hella fucking metaphors. Straight
through classic shit.
9. Aceyalone-A Book Of Human Language: okay, just absorb everything in
"The Balance" and you'll know why. Acey constantly blows my mind. Combine
some of the greatest lyrical stylings with some of the nicest breaks
composed by Mumbles, and you have a definate classic.
10. Outkast-Atliens: another very personal choice. This album is very dear
to me. It's just so fuckin deep, and Organized Noize put together some of
the most moody compositions ever. Beautiful.
Okay, I just know I'm forgetting something. Project Blowed LP, De La is
Dead, 36 Chambers, The Chronic, To Whom It May Concern etc. Well, they're
all hella dope too.
Peace,
The Honkey Beater
HOT9-7
BradChamp
1. Tribe - Low End Theory
2. Nas- Illmatic
3. Wu tang- Enta 36
4. De La Soul Is Dead
5. Jeru- Sun Rises In the East
6. Tribe- Midnight Marauders
7. Roots- Do you Want More
8. SMiff N Wesson- Dah Shining
9. Black Sheep- Wolf in SHeep's Clothing
10. Black Moon- Enta da stage
JDITP2B
1) Beatnuts- Street Level(or whatever it's called) Simply some of the funkiest
beats made. The rhymes, while average skill-wise, are entertaining. But they
don't call themselves
BEATnuts for nuthin'.
2) Black Moon - Enta Da Stage Dusky, murky, representing the NYC to the
fullest. More beats that sent me to the crates diggin' for samples
3) Del - I Wish My Bro... As far as I am concerned this is the best product to
come out of the Street Knowledge/Ice Cube crew, and that's saying something.
Sort of a combination of east coast and west coast, with a real PFunk feel.
4) Main Source - Breaking Atoms Extra P at his finest - need I say more?
5) Mobb Deep - The Infamous These young cats came back hard after the
lackluster first album. Hard beats, hard rhymes, sort of like a gangster
soundtrack for the 90's.
6) Nas - Illmatic Combine the best producers with one of the best MC's to come
along in a while, and you have a classic. Hell, even the Source gave it 5
mics!!(why are these mics so hard to come by anyway?)
7) Outkast - Southernpla....etc etc This to me is the album that signifies the
Dirty South. Players ballin', doin' their thank, funk by the trunk load
and MCs who can hold their own with anyone. I used to live in GA and this
really takes me back to those humid-ass days.
8) Showbiz and AG - Runaway Slave Out here in the western US, this seems to be
incredibly slept on. I keep seeing it in the $1 bins at Warehouse, etc. Don't
let it fool ya. The production is so on point, you really can't tell when this
album even came out(mid 80's, late 80's, early 90's, and it still sounds fresh
today).
9) A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory or Midnight Marauders(take your
pick) If you haven't heard these by now, you're not reading this newsgroup,
and certainly haven't read this far into this post. Jazz like our forefathers
made updated into the 90's.
10) X-Clan - To The East Blackwards IMHO,
this is the best of the consciousness style hiphop that was released in the
90's. I really dig
Brother J's baritone, and Sugar Shaft(RIP) is
probably one of the most underrated producers in hiphop(Isis, Queen Mother
Rage,
first Professor X album- too bad he didnt save some of these beats for the
second XClan album which is averge at best.
Hard to leave out De La, Brand Nubian, Gang
Starr, Common, OC, Souls, but you said 10
right?
JD in the place to be
Sean Flynn
wrote:
>So here it is: what are the best 10 albums of the 90's, to
>you, and why? Bonus points will be awarded to those who
>include the why part. I love seeing people conceptualize
>what makes something their favorite.
Interestingly enough, '90 - '94 was my favorite period...but maybe
it's because I just starting being exposed to the music at that time
(this may be reflected in my top 10 selection). Anyways, I haven't
selected the most important albums of the '90s, but just the one's I
enjoyed the most (and still enjoy every bit as much today). Notice how
a lot of this has to do with production...and they're pretty much on
all on that East Coast vibe. I like G-Rap...but the beats just don't
get me open like the shit on these albums:
1) Pete Rock & CL Smooth - Mecca & The Soul Brother '92
Beats, beats, and more beats. At the time this was released, I don't
think I was mature enough to grasp the intellectual content of some of
the other important albums of the time...but this was the most solid,
front to back album I had ever heard. I truly enjoyed *EVERY* song on
this album. That's why it gets number 1 for me.
2) ATCQ - Low End Theory '91
This album had some really dope beats with some nice phat bass...but I
always enjoyed both Q-Tip & Phife's style of emceeing on that album.
They really hit it off...and I loved they way they just fed off each
other on that album. They were also relatively simple and to the point
with their messages...nothing too convoluted to get into. And they had
this nack of saying shit that stuck in your mind for weeks "Industry
rule number 4080...record company people are shady".
3) De La - Buhloone Mind State '93
Yes...I choose this over the monumental "De La Soul Is Dead". I
dunno...but they just pared this down to a meagre 10-12 tracks of
slammin' material. They still dropped some conscious rhymes but they
were more about skills on this album, IMO. Unlike a lot of their stuff
from previous albums, the songs on this LP sound awesome on a nice
system...good thumping beats from start to finish.
4) Gang Starr - Step In The Arena '90
A classic in many people's books. I liked the fact that they dropped
knowledge without being too preachy. And damn...primo had beats,
beats, and more beats. Need I say anything about Mr. "It's Mostly The
Voice".
5) Nas - Illmatic '94
When I heard that psychopath from "Live At The BBQ" had a new album
that featured production from Extra P, Q-Tip, and Primo...I nearly wet
myself. And damn...I wasn't dissapointed in the least. Production was
totally on point. But Nas was like butter...it amazed me how this MC
was able to pack so much into a verse but make it sound effortless...
6) Main Source - Breaking Atoms '91
This is one of those left field albums that still get me open today. I
love this shit...I love it a lot. Extra P had a lot of character in
his rhymes, I kinda related to his wholesome/geeky personality. In
addition to having some of the greatest beats known to man, K-Kut &
Sir Scratch were pretty decent too...and added much flavour to this
LP.
7) Common - Resurrection '94
Common comes off a little bitter and twisted....but it makes for one
hell of an album IMO. Great production from start to ending...and very
little soft spots in the album. I think he reached a perfect
equilibrium on this LP...not as playful and immature as on the
previous LP...but not as sappy and emotional as on his 3rd LP. And I
should mention again that this album is full of beats, beats, and more
beats...
8) Brand Nubian - One For All '90
Initially, I liked it for some of the beats...but then as I started
understanding the music, it really grew on me. Man, these guys dropped
some ill shit on this album...and they held back nothing. I also
really liked Puba & Sadat's style of MCing...they really sounded dope
on that album, IMO.
9) Show & AG - Runaway Slave '92
Another one of those "beats" albums of the early 90s that gives me a
rush whenever I hear it. Niether Showbiz or AG are spectacular MC's,
but Show's dope production sets off himself & AG very nicely on the
mic.
10) Pharcyde - Bizarre Ride II The Pharcyde '92
This really is the one album that got me open to the other West Coast
music. This album sounded so fresh...and these dudes were hillarious.
But it was mostly the phat ass beats that drew me into this album.
Sean.
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Tony1er
but I'll try and list a bunch off the top:
1. black sheep:wolf in sheeps clothing
2. common sense:ressurection
3.pharcyde: bizzarre ride...
4.de la soul: de la soul is dead
5.aceyalone:book of human language
6.kool g rap: wanted dead or alive (is this from the 90's? I forget)
7.NWA:efil4zaggin
8.brand nubian:all for one (again, I could be wrong about the exact release
date on this one. I know it was definately bumping in the 90's)
9.tribe: low end theory
10.organized konfusion:the extinction agenda
now I missed a bunch so, i have a feeling I'll be changing my answers as soon
as I ppe my music. as far as explaining why all these albums are on my list I
can do it all at once:
1.consistancey
2. ill beats
3. well put toghether
4. fat rhymes (at least entertaining in NWA's case)
honorable mention goes to: ice cube for his first two albums, oc for his debut,
master ace for his second, xzibit for his debut, and the unreleased black
bastrds album by KMD
later tony
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informed decision, but this thread will most likely dry up by then. so
instrad i just went thru my collection, wrote down the dopest albums i have
from the 90s, and tried to determine the best. i also realized, once again,
there's hella shit, both new and old, i still need to get.
Also, i didn't consider anything from 98
Honorable Mention:
Aceyalone _All balls_
Blackalicious -Melodica_
Common _One Day_
De La _is Dead_, _Stakes is High_
Main Source _Breaking Atoms_
Organized Konfusion _OK_
Dre _Chronic_
And the Top 10 of the Decade
(sort of in order but not really, subject to change at any moment, except for
#1) Wu-Tang _Enter the Wu_ Well, rated on most technical aspects this might
not hold up. The beats are grimy and gritty, but some call them sloppy. The
Genius probably the only mc on a consistenly high level lyrically, and he
does'nt even have much mic time. But this album is hella influential, and
makes we wanna go kick some ass when i hear it. And when they slow it down
and think for a minute, like on Tearz (dooope flute loop, or whatever that
is) it sounds genuine, unlike the sappy All I need or all i got.
BDP _Edutainment_ - This is actually the only Kris i have from the 90s. I
always kind of thought this and Sex and Violence were kind of the downpoint
of his career, until he came back a bit with _boom-bap_. But i just got this
album a few months a back, and it is tight for sure. Touching on all kinds
of topics as usual, some very nice beats, and Kris killing it on the mic. I
realized recently why he's lasted so long. It's his flow, it's really one of
a kind. It's hard to describe, but it isn't an easily dated type of delivery.
He could easily rock a crowd in '78 or '80, he's got a little of that old
school flavor with the emphasis on the beat, but not so much where when you
hear him you think he sounds like Caz or something. Shit, I'm not describing
this well, but i can't see Pharoah rocking Harlem World in 1980, he would
just be too far ahead of what everyone was doing, but Kris's style, while it
hasn't changed too much, esp. since like '88 or 89, seems to fit every era at
once.
Freestyle Fellowship _To Whom it May Concern_ I still think this album's
intentions were more impressive than its accomplishments, but at it's best it
is an amazing piece of work. Pedestrian can break it down better than me,
but people still can't fuck w/ what Mikah 9 did on 7th Seal and 5 oclock
Follies. Acey's songs are right there too. I'ma stick to my Good
Life/Minton's analogy thatr one day this album and the club performances
surrounding it will be looked at as the birth of a revolutionary genre of
progressive mcing.
Nas _Illmatic_ At one point this was my best album of 94, an especially
noteworthy feat since that was a stellar year albumwise. It has slipped in
retrospect, but i still manage to sneak it into my top 10. Nas combined the
visuals of G Rap with the detached mood of Rakim, but was skilled enough to
make it sound fresh and his own, unlike all the cats who have followed him.
And the beats are ridiculous. I'm not a big fan of _Hard to Earn_, but the
stuff Primo did for Nas and Jeru in 94 is as good as anything he's done. I
think Chronic was the most influential album on the mid 90s, while this has
become, maybe in tandem w/ Ready to Die, the biggest influence on the late
90s.
Quest _Midnight Marauders_. I got this xmas '93, and it was the soundtrack
for the rest of my freshman year. These cats were always more than the sum
of their parts (until recently), and this was their apex. Phife actually
dropped some dope lines, Q-Tip still wasn't abstract but dope enough. The
production on this is phenomenal; drums snap, interwoven samples, the songs
all fit the same vibe yet sound distinct. It's not an easy album to
replicate, as we've seen from atcq's efforts since.
Roots _Do You Want More_ Before they tried to become Quest, the roots were
the best hip-hop band, if not the first. ?'s al jacksonesque drumming and
hubbard's bass provided the low end over which scott storch's ethereal keys
floated. Black Thought and Malik B provided their versions of the post-Rakim
era of mcing, flowing through the beats like the God but with a little more
Philly soul and improvisation. Actually i haven't listened to this in a
while, some of the specifics evade me, but everytime i hear it i fall in love
again.
De La _Buhloone Mindstate_ There's a couple subpar tracks on here which keep
it from the very top of this list. But they are easily outweigh by the rest.
A genuinely overlooked album. I got it when it dropped, didn't like it, put
it away. A 12 hour plane ride the next summer made me get it out again and i
was in awe. This album should be influential, and it isn't. Absolutely
nothing else has sounded like Patti Dooke, Ego Trippin 2, I Am I be.
Musically and lyrically this broke new ground which has since grown over
again. I hope De la reexplores some of the things they did here, because i
don't think anyone else can.
Souls of Mischief _93 til Infinity_ Del was and is the best mc out of the
hiero crew. But he couldn't match this landmark, the epitome of that 93-94
hiero style. The 4-headed Mischief monster dropped line after line and beat
after beat of rewindable material. No mc outshone the others, sometimes i
still get confused who's saying what, but it just shows what a high level
they were all on. Complex rhyme schemes and layered beats. I've never
listened to this as much as i should for some reason, every time i do it
blows me away. Listen to A-Plus on "That's when ya lost (i think). No one
else wrote lyrics like these, getting inside of every thought and event.
Organized Konfusion _Stress: The Extinction Agenda_ Pharoah Monche, the best
mc in the world not named aceyalone. Plus Prince Poetry, nearly as dope.
It's just not fair. How was the Eqinox not the best album ever? we're still
trying to figure it out. It don't matter, this little platter secured their
place in history. When you hear Pharoah on "The Extinction Agenda" reaction
one is to grab a pen and pad because you want to be able to do that too.
Reaction 2 is to throw them across the room because you can't. Some people
sleep on the beats, which is beyond me. Buckwild and OK hooked it up. Loads
of jazz samples, but they didn't try to make another jazzy album, the beats
are rugged and raw, with vibrant basslines providing the framework in which
the pharoah and prince disintegrated mics.
and the best album of this decade, if you don't have it go get it right now
Common Sense _Resurrection_ From the opening notes of the Ahmad Jamal (?)
sample, this just _feels_ like a classic album. It has a few flaws. Who
cares. This may be the best written album ever, strictly lyrics. Combined
with Com's freestyling delivery and some absolutely remarkable soul and
jazz-influence beats from No ID and Ynot, mmmm, what a treasure. Com flips
the extended metaphor on the classic "Used to Love her," kicks battle rhymes
better than anyone on orange pineapple juice, some shit i wrote, etc, has
perhaps the most poignant back in the day cut ever with nuthin 2 do. He
doesn't write one- liners, his battle rhymes all connect and contain a couple
levels of meaning. I'm a hood/Takin niggas under on the tundra/Cause 'dey
plain! dey plain!'/I'm on a plateau that is fat so / it's just a fantasy/for
the fans to see... You';; catch new lines the 50th time you listen to this.
then there's the simple poetry of seemingly innocent lines "We used to hoop
in the yard / but now I dribble the wine" The we becomes I, the games turn
to drinking, suddenly you're whole life isn't in front of you anymore. Com
takes responsibility, throws blame, analyzes his life, quite honestly one
goes through evey emotion when hearing this album. I love this record.
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KSG <kga...@cs.ucsd.edu> wrote:
> What about ODB's album!!! I hate people that don't recognize Wu Tang's
> dominance.
> KSG
What about Ghost lp?
k. orr
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only got 1 reply though so maybe it didn't get through so I thought
I'd post it up again verbatim.
I had this idea and I was going to sit on it for awhile but I figured
that if I did it might get stolen, so here it is. My premature idea
is to ask what one album the people on here think is the best to them
personally from each half of the 90's. Now I know there's another year
left, but like I said someone else will probably have this idea soon,
and also I imagine that my choices won't change, although it's definitely
a possibility.
From the first half of the 90's my vote for best album is "Edutainment"
by BDP.
This album to me symbolized conscious rap in its highest form. There
were messages pertaining to politics, society, individuals etc. I know
every word of this album and think that it's an overlooked masterpiece.
I remember reviews at the time which criticized the beats but I felt
that they were great, very minimalist, but still banging. The skits
on there taken from his lectures showed how interludes can be effective
and not just annoying. I actually used the speech about George Washington
and the masses verbatim in an essay which I did well on in highschool.
I figured the chances of the teacher knowing it was from a KRS album
were somewhere between zero and none.
I was 14 when this album came out and I was craving knowledge, this
album taught me a lot and resonates with me to this day. In my mind
there is nothing better than a KRS lyric over a Kenny Parker track.
Although many people may say Criminal Minded, I think Edutainment is
BDP's finest moment and the best album of 1990 to the beginning of
1995.
My choice for best album post-95' has to be ATLiens. I actually have
this one in my walkman today and am put in an undescribable state every
time I hear it. I think it may have a special impact on me because of
the theme of alienation. I was the one who wrote the thread about hip
hop and loneliness awhile back and my differences from others often keep
me by myself. Thus, when I listen to ATLiens I can relate to what Andre
and Big Boi have to say on a personal level. Besides this though, the
album itself is just incredible, musically and lyrically. I love the
soulfulness of it and will often play it when I'm feeling depressed or
bitter and it has never failed to make me feel better. I think that
"Growing Old" is one of the best songs I have ever heard. In fact, the
only songs that I don't love are "Ova da Wudz" and "Elevators", not
because it's not a good song, but that I'm tired of it because it was
the big single and it appears twice on the album. At this point in my
life I don't feel that I have a lot to look forward to, so I often find
myself living in the past. Lines like "holding on to memories like
roller coaster handle bars, tightly, cuz I'm slightly off my rocker..",
"Fridays are tight but Saturday just makes it old, winter nights are
hot, warm enough to feed your soul, growing old" encapsulate my own
thoughts. When I look at my racks of tapes this is the one that I
always want to choose, to me the best album of the second half of the
1990's. Don't the 80's feel like they were just yesterday, I truly am
growing old.
Patrick
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mentioning the "Chronic" LP.
Ah, well.
You....must...learn....
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than it sounds. You start thinking of everything that's come
out in the 90's and before long there are 20 or 30 albums that
are all favorites. But I've managed to narrow it down to ten.
In an order less random than intended:
Organized Konfusion - "Stress: The Extinction Agenda"
The album against which anything I ever buy again in my life
will be judged. The album I'll tell my kids about when they
become, through brainwashing, hip hop heads. To me, this is
as close as anyone got, in hip hop, to perfection. I've
heard people knock the beats, but to me they contribute to
what is an incredible whole. Instead of a beat and lyrics,
Monch and Poe, with help from the likes of Buckwild, created
a composition which contains mood and atmosphere unlike
anything I've ever heard. Oh, and then there's those lyrics.
Souls Of Mischief - "'93 Til Infinity"
Range. This album has it. A range of beats, lyrics, and
topics, combined to form a classic. It sounds so pure.
The pinnacle for one of the dopest crews of the first half
of the decade. From start to finish it takes you on a ride,
with different subjects and emotions on each song.
De La Soul - "De La Soul Is Dead"
After "3 Feet High And Rising", the only way De La Soul
could go was down. Or so I thought. Then I heard this.
Wow. There's not much else to say. This album has it all.
Some of the better beats I've ever heard. Comedy. Fun.
Social commentary. An incredible story in "Millie...".
Even house music!
Nas - "Illmatic"
Pure, unadulterated hip hop at its finest. One of the best
emcees and some of the best producers together make one of
the best lps. While I don't think it's perfection (I'm not
a big fan of "One Time For Your Mind"), it's pretty close.
Pete Rock & CL Smooth - "Mecca & The Soul Brother"
Maybe the best beats ever, who knows. CL is better than
some people will admit (sure, his lyrics aren't amazing,
but he gets by on Flow's sake anyway, and he has something
to say on more than one of these songs). Plus, it contains
"TROY", which is almost enough to put it on this list
anyway.
Wu-Tang Clan - "Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)"
One of the most influential releases ever. Underground
hip hop, in its previous incarnation, at its finest. Sure,
they're not *really* saying anything, but the album just
works so well.
Black Moon - "Enta Da Stage"
Did something similar for New York in 1993 to what NWA did
for the Compton in the late 80's; brought "hard" to the
forefront. Great, dark & dirty beats, and Buckshot, one of
the greatest flows ever. Again, he's not really saying
much, but it's just so dope. "How Many MC's" still makes
me think I can beat people up. Then something called
reality sets in.
A Tribe Called Quest - "The Low End Theory"
It's not the best at any single thing, but when you put it
all together it is classic. Beats are very, very good
though. A couple of the descriptions people put here
summed it up perfectly.
The Pharcyde - "Bizarre Ride II The Pharcyde"
For some reason I relate to this album. I sure hope it's
not some subconscious reaction to the infamous "let the
hand I hold the mic with take control" verse. Anyway it
showed me something I wasn't looking for and haven't seen
since. Pharcyde have such personality. Plus the beats
are slick as hell.
The Roots - "Illadelph Halflife"
OK, so I had to include something from the second half of
the decade. This is a fine choice. Hopefully it wont
turn out to be their best album ever, but I can't see
them improving on this. They cover a lot of bases, have
one of the best emcees, have great beats, and are
respectful of the artform, unlike so many artists lately.
This list was hard to make... I had to cut about 15-20
albums, albums like "Fruits Of Nature" (UMC's... too bad
they didn't make anyone's list), "Runaway Slave",
"Resurrection", etc. I was going to cop out and out
"Organized Konfusion" at number 10, but decided that I'd
be fair and let another group get a 10th spot.
Tim Brown
wta...@midway.uchicago.edu wrote in article
<73201c$bp$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> Organized Konfusion _Stress: The Extinction Agenda_ Pharoah Monche, the
best
> mc in the world not named aceyalone. Plus Prince Poetry, nearly as dope.
> It's just not fair. How was the Eqinox not the best album ever? we're
still
> trying to figure it out. It don't matter, this little platter secured
their
> place in history. When you hear Pharoah on "The Extinction Agenda"
reaction
> one is to grab a pen and pad because you want to be able to do that too.
> Reaction 2 is to throw them across the room because you can't. Some
people
> sleep on the beats, which is beyond me. Buckwild and OK hooked it up.
Loads
> of jazz samples, but they didn't try to make another jazzy album, the
beats
> are rugged and raw, with vibrant basslines providing the framework in
which
> the pharoah and prince disintegrated mics.
I was listening to Equinox a few days ago and it does have some nice songs,
but I think tracks like Sugah Shorty and They Don't Want it! ruined the
pace. The first few good song were too short also. And Soundman didn't fit
to me if all the songs were supposed to follow the storyline.
I listen to this one for Pharoahe though. This is a Pharoahe Monch album.
This has his improved flow that I went on and on about a few months ago.
> and the best album of this decade, if you don't have it go get it right
now
> Common Sense _Resurrection_ From the opening notes of the Ahmad Jamal
(?)
> sample, this just _feels_ like a classic album. It has a few flaws. Who
> cares. This may be the best written album ever, strictly lyrics.
Combined
> with Com's freestyling delivery and some absolutely remarkable soul and
> jazz-influence beats from No ID and Ynot, mmmm, what a treasure.
I hope his Rawkus stuff is like this. I heard "Like They Used to Say" and
it reminds me of early material. And of course every single line is dope.
Him and Wordsworth and Pharoahe have lyrics I never get bored with. I
haven't really heard any mediocre throwaway lines from them.
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v65...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Andrew Ryall) wrote:
the top ten most important records of the 90's
in no particular order
1. Dr Dre - The Chronic - The most important record of the 90's.
The split theory once again, but whether you believe that
the Chronic was the wedge that started the genre-fication
of hip hop, or it started earlier, you can easily see lots
of mc's from the Midwest, The West, and South change
their production styles to match the Chronic.
2. Big -Ready to Die - In essence Showed the East Coast how to
make money. Although Kool G Rap, LL Cool J, Special Ed,
Big Daddy Kane, in fact pretty much the entire genre pre-biggie
smalls, had experimented with materialism, R&B, Beat-jacking,
Cameo's, slick marketing - None of them could put all those
ingredients in the same pot, and have all of them trying
to duplicate the gumbo
3. Nas - Illmatic - It's been mentioned before, and microphone
skills have always been an issue in hip hop, but I think the
pre-hype of Illmatic, the grumbling a few weeks afterwards,
raised the bar of what people thought dope lyrics were
supposed to sound like. From Nas, we got Mobb Deep who
begat Cnn The new and improved Fat Joe who begat Big Pun,
who set the stage for the East Coast thug.
4. Common Sense - Resurrection - Again as part of the
diversification, Common's record was Oc's Times Up +
Jeru's come clean + everything about the keep it
real sentiment, that few people had dedicated an album
too. I used to love her, despite what people say, is
still THE anthem of the hip hop underground.
5. Tribe Called Quest - Low End Theory -
Native Tongues were considered alternative hip hop at
first. There were no gold chains, no adidas,
some afro-centricity, and some quirkiness.
Usually On everybody's list.
It pretty much typifies the style of east coast
production that the underground strives for
- this along with Diamond D's stunts blunts and hip hop
showbiz and ag's - runaway slave
Black Sheep's A wolf in sheep's clothing
Pete Rocks and Cl - mecca and the soul brother
Main Sources - breaking atoms
(at least 3 of these are in my personal favorites of
all time)
6. Pharcyde - Bizarre Ride to the Pharcyde - Although most
people will tell you this group had one good LP, I think
they were important to the 90's to set the stage for
the other West. NWA, and to a lesser extent Hammer, pretty
much set the mold for what Mc's from the West were
supposed to sound like, but the Pharcyde had to add their
own.
I would say for those of us outside the west, they
were the ones to let us know that the West had more than
just g's with glocks. I think they did the job better
than Digital Underground. It's because of them, I would check for
Hiero, FF's innercity griots', Saafir.
7. Goodie Mob - Soul Food - Normally I would put outkast
here, but I don't think folks really noticed Outkast as
being Southern, and the South as a region of legitimate
hip hop (since most heads don't see bass or bounce as
legitimate), until Goodie Mob dropped their first album.
Folks up north got hip, but more importantly heads
down south, from cats like UGK and DMD, to folks like
the k-otix, example, and mad house also took notice.
8. Brand Nubian - One for All - I put this one on very
hesitantly, because although they represented some of
the ideals at the end of the gold (silver?) age, the
real crown holder is Chuck Rock, with a Nation of Millions(89).
Still, Nubian fashion, and Nubian talk was all the rage
for most of us in hip hop at the time. Although Krs took
it to a different level....
9. Too Short - Life is - (not sure on the year though)
Honestly, without Todd, would we have heard from the Bay?
"Born in Oakland, grew up bumpin 2 short" - your boy Cas...ual
You can trace lots of groups to Short (most of which
get no love on this newsgroup, but are important to
the rest of the hip hop nation)
10. Hmmm I can't think of another one. I guess I'll add it
later
Some of the Important records, that don't make the cut
(ie stuff that every college radio/underground head should have)
Organized Konfusion - Stress the Extinction Agenda
their best record, but more innovative than influential.
Freestyle Fellowship - Arguably they inspired a lot
of what is going on in G-rap today, and continue to
be the strongest light from the west, preparing
the ears of heads not from the west for, mc's like
Ras, Saafir, Project Blowed, et cetera. It was
just horribly slept on.
Wu Tang -Enter the 36 Chambers - I would love to be Wrong, But the wu
has dominated most of the 90's, but I don't see them
having a lasting legacy on hip hop, other than a few classic
lp's, and hordes of Fans. I can see how this would make a lot
of people's lists, but I can't put it on mine
black moon - Enta Da Stage - Before this year, I would have put
bootcamp clique in one of the strong groups of the 90's
but outside of a few singles and remixes, BCC hasn't
been that big of an influence on the rest of the
genre. They incorporated the Native Tongue sound, and
made it rougher, but ultimately didn't go anywhere
Bone E 1999 Eternal - I hated this record, but I can't
deny that it was more important that Common's record
in getting the Midwest it's props.
93 til infinity - Yeah these cats are still making music,
but for most heads, it's pretty irrelevant. Though
at the time when this came out, the Souls competed with
Tribe for best lp of 93 (at the time of course).
Definitely a chapter in college radio hip hop
Ice Cube - Death Certificate and Amerikka's most wanted
Not much needs to be said, but these albums are a remember
when?
Geto Boys - We can't be stopped - As a Houstonian,
I should put this at the top of the list, cause I'm
sure everyone and their dalmatian has a copy of this lp,
and the previous one, right next to straight outta compton,
but there are a memory etched in the minds of everyone
but no one discusses. Without the Geto Boys, i very
much doubt that there would be a UGK, a No Limit, maybe
even a deathrow.
Gang Starr - Step in the Arena, Daily Operation
The best whoever did it on a Primo Track? Probably not,
but he's in the top 10. Premier is usually the default
producer in an dream team, But it's hard to see
folks who were influenced by gangstarr. I hear
producers who mimic premier though.
At this point, I can't say anything more,without going home
and going through my Tapes (most of this was before I bought
records).
peace
k. orr
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alan...@aol.com (AlanPage) wrote:
> I find it very amusing that you all are "summarizing the 90s" without
> mentioning the "Chronic" LP.
>
> Ah, well.
>
> You....must...learn....
Actually I did "mention" it in my list. My list was what I thought were the
10 BEST albums. The Chronic is certainly one of the most influential, but it
narrowly misses making the cut for one of the ten best in my eyes. (Note: I
mention it in my CMW entry).
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put up in the 90s these lists tend to show a huge bias towards East Coast
acts.
Also, surprisingly there is not a single album that appears on all the lists.
Not even if I limit the lists I look at to the "regulars".
Another thing that suprised me was that Ice Cube appeared so infrequently..
in fact I think only in my list. I would have naively guessed that his first
two albums are about as close to 90s classics as it gets. Was I way off
there. It appears that "Enta da Stage" is seen in higher regard... this I
wouldn't have guessed in a million years... maybe regionalism is plahing a
role here.
Lastly, the 90s is tight.
treym...@my-dejanews.com
> I find it very amusing that you all are "summarizing the 90s" without
> mentioning the "Chronic" LP.
Me too, Spirit. I've been collecting my thoughts on this thread and
although my list will not be in any particular order, I can see a strong,
legitimate argument for "The Chronic" being the #1, most influential, most
innovative album of the 1990s. Even moreso than my favorite, Goodie Mob's
"Soul Food".
Peace,
*** MARBLES ***
Kenneth Hyde
put up in the 90s these lists tend to show a huge bias towards East Coast
acts.
Also, surprisingly there is not a single album that appears on all the lists.
Not even if I limit the lists I look at to the "regulars".
Another thing that suprised me was that Ice Cube appeared so infrequently..
in fact I think only in my list. I would have naively guessed that his first
two albums are about as close to 90s classics as it gets. Was I way off
there. It appears that "Enta da Stage" is seen in higher regard... this I
wouldn't have guessed in a million years... maybe regionalism is plahing a
role here.>>
Or the fact that a lot folks think differently
ji...@my-dejanews.com
> of this, sorry, I thought I posted it originally but it didn't
> show up on MY server so I guess it didn't make the cut.
>
> Anyway...
>
> Today I was thinking about some of my favorite movies. I was
> trying to figure out what were the 10 movies that had the
> largest effect on me or that I enjoyed the most in the 90's.
>
> media can jump the gun and summarize the decade with a year
> and a month left, why can't RMHH?
>
> you, and why? Bonus points will be awarded to those who include the why part. I love seeing people conceptualize what makes something their favorite.
>
>
1. Enta Da Stage-Black Moon. The standard rap album. Straight dope all
through. 2. Breaking Atoms-Main Source. Lyrical standard. "Live at the BBQ"
is a classic,if not the best rap ever recorded. 3. Done By The Forces Of
Nature-Jungle Brothers. One of the best sophmoric albums ever. 4. Live & Let
Die-Kool G.Rap. Straight Dope. One of G. Rap's best. 5. Project:Funk Da
World-Craig Mack. "Flava In Ya Ear", is a classic joint. Easy Mo Bee is a
genius. 6. Amerikkka's Most Wanted-Ice Cube. One phattest West coast albums
ever. 7. Kill At Will-Ice Cube. "Jackin' 4 Beats".enuff said. 8. Enter The
36-Chambers-Wu-Tang Clan. A classic. One of the greatest breakthough albums
ever. It shook up the entire music world. Wu-Tang is definitely going into to
the Rock & Roll fame. 9. One For All-Brand Nubian. I'm not sure if I got the
albums name right,but it belongs. 10. Whut?!...Thee Album???-Redman. A
classic. Red's best IMO.
nuff' said...
>
>
> In tony1er'ian style, the correct answers will follow, if
> anyone cares.
>
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describing his own experiences. "Slave" is mad deep! And
so is "Make Munne" and "Enta da Stage".
>
B. David Harrison
I don't know if I can do a top 10, or even get into all of the 90s. My
deep interest in hip-hop really only runs back to about 94.
Albums that I see as a driving force in the 90s.
The Chronic: for all the reasons already listed and more. One way I look
at influence is all the albums it's spawned. Snoop's first two joints,
Warren G, a buch more.
Outkast's first and Soul Food: Really opened people's eyes (like mine) to
southern hip-hop. I wonder how much Master P owes to songs like "Player's
Ball."
The Imfamous (at to some extent Illmatic): Spawned the sound we've got
coming out of NYC right now, not necessarily a good thing. Like the
Chronic, the original was dope, the clones lacking.
Puffy's album: Like it or not, this started the trend we're seeing.
Produces like Timbaland, Wylcef, and Trackmasters seem to have taken a
page from Puff. It's not a good thing, and I don't think it'll make a
lasting impression, but this album has brought about some change.
Enter the 36...: This and Rae's ablum were Wu-Tang at their best.
However, the RZA's run out of beats, and the Wu's run out of lyrics. This
album is still dope, but is loosing "classic" status the more the clones
(and solo joints) come wack.
Latyrx: Nobody else is going to agree with me, but I hope that this album
ends up being a classic, but I'd love to hear more like it. One of the
very dope and very innovative albums I've ever heard.
Resurection: Kari described this album best. Along with Illmatic, one of
the best lyrical albums ever dropped. Common is what MCs should want to
be like.
De La Soul is Dead: The precursor to things like Latryx and other joints
that pushed the envelope. The De La, Prince Paul combo is about the most
entertaining thing you can listen to. I could run off a whole list of
Native T's albums, but I think this is by far the best.
AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
Albums that I don't think were classic in the 90s.
Any of the Roots joints: I love the Roots to death, but unlike the albums
above, I don't see anybody else trying to do what they do. I'd rank all
three in the top 20 of the 90s, but they don't seem to have the influence
that other joints do.
Black Moon's: I wouldn't mention this except that others have. To me,
this album has no longevity. Lyrically it's not that nice, and over time
it just doesn't seem as strong.
Book of Human Lang: Great album, but perhaps too great to be that
important of a album. I don't think it can be duplicated, and any
attempts will end up being wack.
B. David Harrison
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rearranging their prejudices." - Edward R. Murrow
applesauce
: Puffy's album: Like it or not, this started the trend we're seeing.
: Produces like Timbaland, Wylcef, and Trackmasters seem to have taken a
: page from Puff. It's not a good thing, and I don't think it'll make a
: lasting impression, but this album has brought about some change.
I think the trend started before this. this one's only llike a year old
isnt' it? If your gonna pin this movement, i think that goes back to
Big's second album, or maybe earlier. Maybe even It was written? Puff
pioneered this philosphy (to a point Erick Sermon did before puff) but
this album is after the fact.
: Latyrx: Nobody else is going to agree with me, but I hope that this album
: ends up being a classic, but I'd love to hear more like it. One of the
: very dope and very innovative albums I've ever heard.
<raising hand>
YES! I've been waiting for somebody to mention them. These cats are
completely on their own shit. Songs like Latyrx, Burnin hot, burnt pride,
and even say that (to a point) are notable examples of the expansion of a
gnere. This one is classic to me already. But is anybody going to try to
duplicate it/copy it? I don't think so. It seems like you were
incorporating that factor into your definition of classic. Does a work
have to inspire people to copy it to be classic? Or does it just have to
be so completely original and brilliant that people marvel over it? If
BOHL is not a classic based on the functional definition, i need to come
up with my own personalized definition.
respectfully,
applesauce
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> I think the trend started before this. this one's only llike a year old
> isnt' it? If your gonna pin this movement, i think that goes back to
> Big's second album, or maybe earlier. Maybe even It was written? Puff
> pioneered this philosphy (to a point Erick Sermon did before puff) but
> this album is after the fact.
I don't know. I picked Puff's because in 10 years or so, I think
that's the one album who's wackness and jackosity will stand out within
that trend of albums. Big's second has too many redemming qualities to
really count.
kga...@cs.ucsd.edu
Kenneth Hyde <khy...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> maybe regionalism is plahing a
> role here.
>
> Or the fact that a lot folks think differently
The reason I said that I thought regionalism was playing a role was because
near everyone I know would claim Death Certificate, Strictly for my NIGGAz,
or Amerikkka's Most Wanted as the album of the decade (with some noteable
outliers). I don't even know anyone who owns Enta da Stage (myself
included). To be honest most people I know didn't really get up on Wu Tang
far into their careers. I'd heard "Protect Ya Neck", but thought it was
typical east coast stuff. I remember watchin' Rap City and with friends and
we were all wondering "What's gonna be #1?"... well it was "CREAM" and we
were like, "Does anyone bump this?"...
At the same time though E-40 was killin' the top 7 at 7 on KMEL with tracks
like "Captain Save a Hoe". But when I went to DC no one had even heard of
him.
I agree that people do think differently (obviously), but if I ask 10 pretty
reasonable people the 10 best basketball players of the 90s I think Jordan is
very likely to be on every list. If I were to ask who were the 10 best
physicists of the 20th century I can't imagine Einstein and Feynman not being
on every list.
Note that I'm not saying the lists should all be the same, but what was
interesting was that not a single album appeared on all lists. Well I find it
interesting at least. I guess mileage does vary.
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Suave
> So here it is: what are the best 10 albums of the 90's, to
> you, and why?
1. tribe called quest- low end theory
2. nas- illmatic
3. pharcyde- bizzare ride II tha...
4. raekwon- only built 4 cuban linx
5. outkast- southernplayalisticadillacmusik
6. alkaholiks- 21 and over
7. common sense- ressurection
8. mobb deep- the infamous
9. biggie- ready to die
10. artifacts- between a rock and a hard place
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the world keeps spinning, so lately I've been thinking...
Niko Suave
Douglas Cheng
>In article <0qJN6W200...@andrew.cmu.edu>,
> Kenneth Hyde <khy...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>> maybe regionalism is plahing a
>> role here.
>>
>> Or the fact that a lot folks think differently
>
>The reason I said that I thought regionalism was playing a role was because
>near everyone I know would claim Death Certificate, Strictly for my NIGGAz,
>or Amerikkka's Most Wanted as the album of the decade (with some noteable
>outliers). I don't even know anyone who owns Enta da Stage (myself
>included). To be honest most people I know didn't really get up on Wu Tang
>far into their careers. I'd heard "Protect Ya Neck", but thought it was
>typical east coast stuff. I remember watchin' Rap City and with friends and
>we were all wondering "What's gonna be #1?"... well it was "CREAM" and we
>were like, "Does anyone bump this?"...
>
>At the same time though E-40 was killin' the top 7 at 7 on KMEL with tracks
>like "Captain Save a Hoe". But when I went to DC no one had even heard of
>him.
>
>I agree that people do think differently (obviously), but if I ask 10 pretty
>reasonable people the 10 best basketball players of the 90s I think Jordan is
>very likely to be on every list. If I were to ask who were the 10 best
>physicists of the 20th century I can't imagine Einstein and Feynman not being
>on every list.
I guess instead of just basketball, I think its much more like
combining ALL sports and then asking "who are the 10 best athletes
ever?" For which it would be very likely that MJ might be left off of
a few people's lists... not everyone likes basketball... hmmm...
thats kinda like saying, not everyone likes midnight marauders... yup
sorta hard to believe....but they're definately out there....
peace,
KSG
Douglas Cheng wrote:
Why do you think it's more like combining all sports? Hip hop music is relatively
narrow area. Your question to me would be more analogous to if one asked "What are
the 10 best musicians ever?"...
Again mileage may vary.
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v65...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Andrew Ryall) wrote:
> So here it is: what are the best 10 albums of the 90's, to
> you, and why? Bonus points will be awarded to those who
> include the why part. I love seeing people conceptualize
> what makes something their favorite.
I should have replied to this sooner, but now that I'm really thinking about
it:
1) ATCQ - Low End Theory
See explanation for Midnight Marauders
2) ATCQ - Midnight Marauders This album is dear to me because it was really
my *first* hip hop album. I'm not talking about it being a regular hip hop
album, either. I'm talking about a 9th grader with no money-borrowing it
from your friend and bootlegging it on a scratchy cassette type of first hip
hop album. I played that tape *everywhere*. Family renuions w/ BBQ cookouts..
Summer vacations... Lunchtime in the cafeteria... I knew every word on every
song, unlike nowadays where sometimes I just listen for tracks for the beat
only. Those were the days-- when lyrics MEANT something. I keep reminding
myself to go pick up the CD now that I have some money to do so (I'm in
college, so it isn't *that* much), but I know it so well I figure the CD will
only ruin the memories of how "Electric Relaxation" faded in and out during
the middle.. ^_^
3) OutKast - Aquemini I skipped out on ATLiens when it first came out (a
sin.. I know) but I swear I had good reasons: Jazzy Belle was OVERPLAYED down
here in the South and a girl I dated sang "Meeeee and yooooouuuuu" so damn
much I was going to go to a record store and break every copy they had from
the insanity it caused me. Anyway, I couldn't skip out on Aquemini since my
friend threatened to call that girl up and haunt me and I'm glad I didn't
sleep on it. EVERY track was a masterpiece. I bump this loud in my car's
system on a daily basis while commuting to college to let people know not
everyone around here listens to Master P.
4) De La Soul - Stakes is High I know there were better De La Soul albums,
but the reason I think this one was so good was because De La was dealing
with some of the social problems of the time in their lyrics when other
albums were just playing for mainstream. They were looking at reality...
reality for the people who didn't necessarily grow up carrying a glock or
sipping on champagne, but were just normal people trying to get by. It's like
they talked about real stuff they saw on the way TO the studio, not stuff
they made up IN the studio, unlike the Puffy crap. But then that's what makes
De La... De La. (A side note: Last semester I used them that CD as research
for a Sociology paper that dealt with modern music reflecting aspects of
society... it grew on me, I guess.)
5) Nas - Illmatic I would have bumped this a lot more often in its peak if
my copy didn't have so many scratches from letting others borrow it and being
introduced to hip hop. So if I think about how each scratch might have saved
a friend from the "pop-hop" junk on MTV, it makes the pain of it not working
anymore go away. ^_^
7) Warren G - Regulate... Personal favorite only because the beats and his
flow were the type you could just chill with on a Sunday while outside
sitting on the patio on a sunny day and watchin' pops turn the BBQ on or
while washing your car.
8) The Roots - Anything they put out Is there anything BAD you can say about
their stuff? I guess I like the jazzy flows a lot and at times they almost
make me want to actually explore what straight up jazz is like... but that's
another genre collection in the years I can afford to have love for other
types of music financially.
9) Wu - Enter the 36 Chambers
Classic stuff from Wu Tang.
10) Digable Planets - Reachin
Another "just listen and chill" type of CD. I still play this from time to
time and think about what life would be like right now if they didn't break up
and I had another CD from them in my collection.
Other stuff:
Busta Rhymes - The Coming (Track 3 Only) Whenever I was angry.. that used to
be my tension reliever. Some people had those little square things you could
squeeze in your hands or those inflatable punching bag things, I had Busta
representin in his pre-MTV days in his full raw fury.
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt (Brooklyn's Finest track) One of the best duets
I've heard, hands down. Jay-Z and Biggie ripped the track like they were two
robbers pulling a heist and making a getaway. Jay-Z may have fallen off a bit
in his latest album, but I'll always remember him for this classic.
Meth and Redman - How High and any other collaboration tracks
My only question is why hasn't there been an entire collabo album by these
two EARLIER than the one coming out soon? The dynamic duo took this single and
blew my mind. These two belong together on a track.
-= Rick Withers =-
- Just a college kid tryin to get by.
D. Jones
10) Big Noyd: Mobb Deep's kitko has a phat ass album out there. Due to
limited production, this is very hard to find. Use Amazon.com or
whatever. This album is the most slept on album I've ever seen. It's
also mad short, but sometimes that's good. If you haven't heard All Pro,
I feel sorry for you. Even the song his label jerked him on is mad phat.
Listen to him at the end of the song telling you how he got jerked.
(****)
9) Redman- Whut?!? Thee Album: Redman blew his career up with this
sleeper hit in '92. He showed the rap world with his phat ass lyrics and
phat ass beats. The second freshman hit in a row, but Redman beats
Biggy's first because of the creative lyrics and production by Erick
Sermon in his prime. (****)
8) Snoop Dogg- DoggyStyle: Another freshman album that jump started a
successful career. This album was good cover to cover and showed why
Death Row was number one in '92. Every rap fan should know at least one
song off this album. It is THE head mover of the nineties. (****1/2)
7) Wu-Tang Clan- Wu-Tang Forever: Wu never slouches. The best group ever
in my opinion. This album was darker than the other Wu albums which
makes it a great album in my opinion. Who can set a mood better than
Rza? "For Heaven's Sake", "The City", "Impossible" (where Rza has a
serious message) show the mood setters in this one. There is honestly
not a song that should be forwarded. (****1/2)
6) Nas- Illmatic: This is not meant as a put down to anyone outside of
NYC, but Illmatic is geared towards NYC. There are alot of terms Nas
uses that are not easily understood by heads in rural areas. This album
is a audio guide to the streets of NY. If you've never been here,
Illmatic is your ticket to NY. (*****)
5) Raekwon- Only Built 4 Cuban Linx: What can I say about this album?
Great song after great song. This showed how Ghost and Ray compliment
each other so well. Hypnotic songs are also strewn on this album. Listen
to Rainy Days dozing off, I tell you you'll never forget it. (*****)
4) Dr. Dre- The Chronic: Here's Dr. Dre at his peak. He showed everyone
with this album that Death Row was a force to be reckoned with. (*****)
3) Wu-Tang Clan- Enter the 36 Chambers: The supergroup debuts on this
gritty and grimy freshman attempt. This is how hardcore is supposed to
be. Protect Ya Neck is one of the top three beats the Rza has ever
produced. CREAM was the straw that broke the camel's neck. Method Man is
a classic, you can't go wrong with this album. Classic in every sense of
the word. (*****)
2) Black Moon- Enta Da Stage: This album is the ruler in which hardcore
is measured. Buckshot blew the mic up, Evil Dee ripped up the boards,
and his back-up ripped you up. This is Brooklyn, this is what happens
there. Buckshot leads you on a journey through the blood stained
streets, then brings you back with a murder rap. You want to beat
somebody down, listen to this first. (*****)
1) Mobb Deep- The Infamous: Havoc and Prodigy did it. This is the best
album of the ninteties to me. Havoc's production is top notch and their
lyrics are even hotter. Another tourist's guide to the streets of NY.
Prodigy spits at 1000 miles an hour and Havoc keeps up with him
perfectly. Nobody can speak the Henessey sippin insert the clip in talk
better than Mobb Deep. With guest spots from Raekwon, Nas, Noyd, and
Q-Tip, it gets no better than this... (*****).
Honorable Mentions: Mos Def and Talib Kweli are Black Star, Brand
Nubian: One For All, DJ Honda II, BIG: Ready To Die, Onyx: Bacdafucup,
Mobb Deep: Hell On Earth, ODB: Return to the 36 Chambers, Master P:
Ghetto D, Grand Puba: 2000, Funkmaster Flex: The Mix Tape Vol. 1, Nas:
It Was Written, Juice: Soundtrack, Soul In The Hole: Soundtrack.
"The winner in combat will have other tests to face, the loser has faced
his test." -Ancient Korean proverb.
Douglas Cheng
>> >
>> >I agree that people do think differently (obviously), but if I ask 10 pretty
>> >reasonable people the 10 best basketball players of the 90s I think Jordan is
>> >very likely to be on every list. If I were to ask who were the 10 best
>> >physicists of the 20th century I can't imagine Einstein and Feynman not being
>> >on every list.
>>
>> I guess instead of just basketball, I think its much more like
>> combining ALL sports and then asking "who are the 10 best athletes
>> ever?" For which it would be very likely that MJ might be left off of
>> a few people's lists... not everyone likes basketball... hmmm...
>> thats kinda like saying, not everyone likes midnight marauders... yup
>> sorta hard to believe....but they're definately out there....
>>
>
>Why do you think it's more like combining all sports? Hip hop music is relatively
>narrow area. Your question to me would be more analogous to if one asked "What are
>the 10 best musicians ever?"...
>
>Again mileage may vary.
hey your right, i didn't think of it that way... but i guess i was
probably trying to express how the different styles of hip hop music
were like different sports... how different "sporting events" appeal
to different people. Depending on your tastes, you could choose to
idolize one of the following.....
almighty KRS ONE---Michael Jordan of basketball, or Master P---the
best guy in the world at bowling with his head and oversized football
helmit...
and sometimes you just gotta admit that good talent is good talent,
even if you hate a certain "celebrity."........... *ahem.... Kobe
Bryant.* Just my honest opinion...... :)
peace,
Master Sage
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ATCQ - Low End Theory
Nas - Illmatic
Common - Resurrection & One Day...
Ice Cube - Death Certificate
Bush Babees - Gravity
Poor Righteous Teachers - New World Order
De La Soul Is Dead
Gang Starr - Step In The Arena
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Wu-Tang Forever??? It might not be as bad as some say but its not worthy of
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I though this was some kind of joke at first. You don't even have
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>Real quick, my top ten of the decade, in no particular order:
>
>Public Enemy - Fear of a Black Planet
>ATCQ - Low End Theory
>Nas - Illmatic
>Common - Resurrection & One Day...
>Ice Cube - Death Certificate
>Bush Babees - Gravity
>Poor Righteous Teachers - New World Order
Awwwwwwwwwww yeah!
>De La Soul Is Dead
>Gang Starr - Step In The Arena
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10. Poor Righteous Teachers - The New World Order
I love the reggae tinged stuff, just has so many great songs Word Iz
Life, Gods Earths and 85ers, Conscious Style w/ KRS, the one with Brother J,
the one w/ Junior Reid, My 3 Wives...Wise was in top form.
9. The Coup - Kill My Landlord
Politics never sounded so good...funky production, Boots does what he
does best, an amazing album.
8. Ice Cube - Death Certificate
Probably should be higher...combines gangsta rap and political
rap...the life side is my favorite though (why was no vaseline on it tho')
7. Wu Tang - Enter the Wu Tang (36 Chambers)
So raw...banging the whole way through...even ODB sounded good back
then. Started a whole phenomenon, an era, they owned hip hop from about '94
to '96 it seemed.
6. Nas - Illmatic
It's been summed up in everyone else's posts already, what can I say.
5. Common Sense - Resurrection
I could listen to this album for years, never running out of new
hidden meanings and wordplay to find. Mista meanor fell on his knee for the
jury...damn I need to listen to this. Tomorrow it goes in the headphones
4. Organized Konfusion - Stress the Extinction Agenda
Just classic all the way through, slammin beats, Monche is Monche,
just incredible.
2. Brand Nubian - One For All
It all just fit together perfectly, great production, interesting
subject matter, Slow Down of course is near the top of my all time favorites
list..all kinds of different styles, all 3 mc's come off nicely...Jamar even
1. Goodie Mob - Soul Food
I recently realized that this is my favorite albume ever...great
production, meaningful lyrics...the singing, Khujo's growling delivery (esp.
on The Coming), the way the whole album proceeds in a logical order, just
incredible.
Ohmygod neither of Aceyalone's made it? Argh.
Honorable mention:
Acyealone both albums
Outkast - Atliens
Raekwon, GZA
Midnight Marauders
The Chronic
Steve S. Jackson
: In article <72t9d7$ic0$1...@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,
: v65...@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Andrew Ryall) wrote:
:
I found it interesting that your list is so simlar to mine. Hmmmm...
:
: 9. Too Short - Life is - (not sure on the year though)
: Honestly, without Todd, would we have heard from the Bay?
: "Born in Oakland, grew up bumpin 2 short" - your boy Cas...ual
: You can trace lots of groups to Short (most of which
: get no love on this newsgroup, but are important to
: the rest of the hip hop nation)
I don't believe I forgot about Too Short. I was trying to think of one
act which typified Bay Area hip-hop without delving into the Heiro Crew (
who're more like the "alternative" LA hip-hop). Of course, the Luniz
came to mind first, then E-40, then Mac Mall and and those cats (still
dig that track onthe New Jersey Drive soundtrack). But I was trying to
think of one person, who has repsect outside of the Bay Area and someone
everyone would recognize including East Coast folk. Dern, how did I miss
Short? Anyway, he'da probably been on my list also.
: Some of the Important records, that don't make the cut
: (ie stuff that every college radio/underground head should have)
:
: Organized Konfusion - Stress the Extinction Agenda
: their best record, but more innovative than influential.
true this.
:
: Freestyle Fellowship - Arguably they inspired a lot
: of what is going on in G-rap today, and continue to
: be the strongest light from the west, preparing
: the ears of heads not from the west for, mc's like
: Ras, Saafir, Project Blowed, et cetera. It was
: just horribly slept on.
yeah... I didn't even hear of them 'til I started reading this newsgroup.
:
: Wu Tang -Enter the 36 Chambers - I would love to be Wrong, But the wu
: has dominated most of the 90's, but I don't see them
: having a lasting legacy on hip hop, other than a few classic
: lp's, and hordes of Fans. I can see how this would make a lot
: of people's lists, but I can't put it on mine
I think it was influential simply because they did something that wasn't
done and Rza's minimalist style of production, laced with movie samples
was innovative for the time. I mean, he would use a drum loop, and
pretty much nothing else. Just a tad of melody. His production on this
and Raekwon's inspired the whole "movie sample" craze, especially from
the gangster flicks. I don't recall to many people outside of the Wu
camp sampling Kung Fu flicks though. With the exception of the
Fu-Schnickens, but that was pre-Wu.
: : black moon - Enta Da Stage - Before this year, I would have put
: bootcamp clique in one of the strong groups of the 90's
: but outside of a few singles and remixes, BCC hasn't
: been that big of an influence on the rest of the
: genre. They incorporated the Native Tongue sound, and
: made it rougher, but ultimately didn't go anywhere
:
This is why I left them off. I think they were influential for a 2-4
year period. Between Enta da Stage and Nocturnal, BCC was the crew to
look for. After OGC's flop though, a BCC family lp that didn't do nearly
what it should have, and Coco Brovaz ok, they just kinda fell into
obscurity. Heltah Skeltah's latest doesn't live up to my hopes either.
: Bone E 1999 Eternal - I hated this record, but I can't
: deny that it was more important that Common's record
: in getting the Midwest it's props.
True, this is why I put it on the same level as Common's Ressurection in
terms of influence.
:
: 93 til infinity - Yeah these cats are still making music,
: but for most heads, it's pretty irrelevant. Though
: at the time when this came out, the Souls competed with
: Tribe for best lp of 93 (at the time of course).
: Definitely a chapter in college radio hip hop
Simialr to BCC, the were the click for a hot minute and then, well, fel off.
:
: Ice Cube - Death Certificate and Amerikka's most wanted
: Not much needs to be said, but these albums are a remember
: when?
Ice Cube was transitional in the 90s. He went from his NWA self to his
Death Certificate self to his Predator/Lethal Injection self to WSC to
whatever he thinks he is now. Ice Cube didn't make my list simply
because he wasn't consistent with product and well, Death Certificate may
be classic, but what else has he done that's really hit since?
:
: Geto Boys - We can't be stopped - As a Houstonian,
: I should put this at the top of the list, cause I'm
: sure everyone and their dalmatian has a copy of this lp,
: and the previous one, right next to straight outta compton,
: but there are a memory etched in the minds of everyone
: but no one discusses. Without the Geto Boys, i very
: much doubt that there would be a UGK, a No Limit, maybe
: even a deathrow.
That's debatable but I see where you're coming from. I thought about
this when I was thinking of crews that put the South on the map. mAybe
it was just me at the time, but when Geto Boys put this out, I didn't
really consider them southern. Hell, i didn't even consider Houston
southern. It was a thriving metropolis, what was southern about that
(ok, so I was 15 at the time). But, after this, I don't think GB's got
anymore airplay on Philly radio. Scarface did when he dropped his solo
jawn (and I think he still does) and maybe Bushwick when he became Ludwig
von bushwickenfortehn or whatever the hell that was. But, after this,
the only southern act tog et any type of attention up this way was the
Organized Noize camp.
:
: Gang Starr - Step in the Arena, Daily Operation
: The best whoever did it on a Primo Track? Probably not,
: but he's in the top 10. Premier is usually the default
: producer in an dream team, But it's hard to see
: folks who were influenced by gangstarr. I hear
: producers who mimic premier though.
This too is true.
:
: At this point, I can't say anything more,without going home
: and going through my Tapes (most of this was before I bought
: records).
This is real difficult to do on the spot, I'm realizing.
:
: peace
: k. orr
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And the letter Q.
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mchakkobut...@bilbo.bio.purdue.edu.orthischump (Mathew Chakko) wrote:
> 4. Organized Konfusion - Stress the Extinction Agenda
> Just classic all the way through, slammin beats, Monche is Monche,
> just incredible.
>
> 2. Brand Nubian - One For All
> It all just fit together perfectly, great production, interesting
> subject matter, Slow Down of course is near the top of my all time favorites
> list..all kinds of different styles, all 3 mc's come off nicely...Jamar even
>
> 1. Goodie Mob - Soul Food
> I recently realized that this is my favorite albume ever...great
> production, meaningful lyrics...the singing, Khujo's growling delivery (esp.
> on The Coming), the way the whole album proceeds in a logical order, just
> incredible.
>
> Ohmygod neither of Aceyalone's made it? Argh.
You could throw Acey into the #3 spot and no one would be none the wiser.
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Mathew Chakko
>In article <73ap3g$3...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>,
>mchakkobut...@bilbo.bio.purdue.edu.orthischump (Mathew Chakko) wrote:
>
>> 4. Organized Konfusion - Stress the Extinction Agenda
>> Just classic all the way through, slammin beats, Monche is Monche,
>> just incredible.
>>
>> 2. Brand Nubian - One For All
>> It all just fit together perfectly, great production, interesting
>> subject matter, Slow Down of course is near the top of my all time favorites
>> list..all kinds of different styles, all 3 mc's come off nicely...Jamar even
>>
>> 1. Goodie Mob - Soul Food
>> I recently realized that this is my favorite albume ever...great
>> production, meaningful lyrics...the singing, Khujo's growling delivery (esp.
>> on The Coming), the way the whole album proceeds in a logical order, just
>> incredible.
>>
>> Ohmygod neither of Aceyalone's made it? Argh.
>
>You could throw Acey into the #3 spot and no one would be none the wiser.
Oh dear...hehe...yes...A Book of Human Language #3 then. Thanks.
Jesse D. Sowa
worst albums of the 90s
"93 till"
"all balls"
"bizarre ride"
thank you, have a nice day.