Fare thee well Ray Manzareck

[booie]

Ray Manzarek
'Doors' Founding Member
Dead at 74

0520-ray-manzarek-getty
Ray Manzarek -- who co-founded "The Doors" with Jim Morrison in 1965
and played keyboard -- has died, this according to the band's official
Facebook page.

Manzarek was 74.

According to the website, Manzarek passed away today at the RoMed
Clinic in Rosenheim, Germany after a lengthy battle with bile duct
cancer.

At the time of his death, Ray was surrounded by his wife Dorothy and
his brothers Rick and James.

Along with Jim ... Ray and The Doors churned out some of the most
iconic rock songs in history -- including, "L.A. Woman," "Break On
Through to the Other Side," "The End," "Hello, I Love You," and "Light
My Fire."

Doors' guitarist Robby Krieger released a statement saying, "I was
deeply saddened to hear about the passing of my friend and bandmate
Ray Manzarek."

He added, "I'm just glad to have been able to have played Doors songs
with him for the last decade. Ray was a huge part of my life and I
will always miss him."

According to the band's official Facebook page ... Ray's family has
asked that in lieu of flowers, fans should make an in memoriam
donation in Ray's name to Standup2cancer.org.
.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/20/ray-manzarek-dead-the-doors-cancer/#ixzz2TsDTYuQD


bbb write:
I have always liked the DOORS.
I have never seen him live but I will miss him

booie.......

[iL_WeReo]

> Read more:http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/20/ray-manzarek-dead-the-doors-cancer/#ixz...

>
> bbb write:
> I have always liked the DOORS.
> I have never seen him live but I will miss him
>
> booie.......

Yes, I heard. Thank you very much.

[James Pablos]

In article
<6a5baa67-e991-4c4e...@z10g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,

u are a RETARD PiGGy - THAT is ALL FAKE....just like u

[wereoawl]

"booie" <ba_ba...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:46f50ae2-6778-476f...@e14g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...

I don't have to buy any albums...I lived this. The song I remember most was
Back Door Man. Where did I see them performing live? In New York's most
important outdoor music and tennis arena in New York history. The place
where I was the only one covering the events with a movie camera. Well, at
least I shot SOME film inside the place. Maybe not everything you want, but
some.

As you read the account in The Queens Ledger, I had a fear about shooting
Super 8 film at night. Film was scarce, and it wasn't that easy to get it
developed. Plus the 'cartridges' held only around five or ten minutes of
film each, I don't remember how much, then you had to change them like
diapers. I could've very easily shot as much film as I wanted to shoot. But
I wound up with just a little. Still, this is the only known footage of the
place.

Then nine months later I wound up being the only one who covered a concert
bigger and better than Woodstock. You remember that one too, ay? But after
that I covered the "Biggest" concert of them awl, Nuclear Warrior, the
world's ONLY Origina Words & Music, thank you.

Oh don't get me wrong. I think The NY Daily News and the NY Post sent a
photographer in to cover the concerts every week which they were held, and
I'm sure they published still photos of the Forest Hills Tennis Stadium
performers systematically. So it was the inclusion of them, and the
Lifshine. And I'm the only one who had a MOVING camera.

I can't believe it. It's too supernatural to be true. Yet shall ye Heed and
Harken unto the Lifshine, thank you. I am the only one who matters now thank
you. I wasn't taking notes, I was shooting film and helping out Pops Wereo
Of Blessed Memory at awl the shows thank you. And there were many, many of
them.

[sweetbac]

"schizoawl" <calja...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> The song I remember most was "Back Door Man".

Wasn't that your theme song over on 53rd/3rd Ree-Tod?
Now hush, fool

[frndthdevl]

On May 20, 7:13 pm, "sweetbac" <sweet...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "schizoawl" <caljamsc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> > The song I remember most was "Back Door Man".
>
> Wasn't that your theme song over on 53rd/3rd Ree-Tod?
> Now hush, fool

Not going to get much sympathy around here. It alwasy amazed me how
many Doors haters there were among the deadheads aroond here. Perhaps
you have to be an old fuck who remembers that first 6 minute hit.
later made famous by the English boys. Who also get hate,oh wait thatt
aBeatle hater and the big Beatle blooger Lover are in Sourbac's
preferred etablishment.

Not blind,just p a kick ass tune played at 11. Might have been my Mom
in a coma,but the song hit. At 11 it kills. Gospel or not

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGN4VOvriAQ

what do you want me to do for you to see you through

[bzl...@aaool.com]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:48:41 -0700 (PDT), frndthdevl
<frndt...@aol.com> wrote:

>On May 20, 7:13�pm, "sweetbac" <sweet...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> "schizoawl" <caljamsc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > The song I remember most was "Back Door Man".
>>
>> Wasn't that your theme song over on 53rd/3rd Ree-Tod?
>> Now hush, fool
>
>Not going to get much sympathy around here. It alwasy amazed me how
>many Doors haters there were among the deadheads aroond here.

Really?? I have always been a big fan. Absolutely Live was one of
those LPs of my youth that really blew my mind.

Not sure what the rest of this babble is about, but the Doors were
great, and Ray was a big reason why.

[sweetbac]

"floyd-the-drunk" <frndt...@aol.com> babbled in message

> Lover are in Sourbac's preferred etablishment.

Damn....what ARE you babbling about?
I've always loved the Doors...not that I need to tell you.

[wereoawl]

"sweetbac" <swee...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:knel1f$qmc$1...@dont-email.me...

The wild, crazy cries of Back Door Man. Now that's something that echoed
throughout the place lol. That's about the only thing I remember from the
show. Plus them up onstage there.

There was so much talent arriving week after week I myself didn't know what
to make of it. It was another norm of growing up for me. I wasn't looking
around for other people with cameras.

And you talk about celluloid being soft, madonn. It's not hard to fuck up a
celluloid lemme tell ya. It's soft as a baby's behind. Nowadays they got
smart and don't run the celluloid over 1500 degree heat anymore in the
Projector. Now they do it with LED lights.

"Scott Lifshine is the world's greatest filmmaker" -Sony Pictures
Entertainment

[wereoawl]

"frndthdevl" <frndt...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1b8a04f3-e6f5-4782...@kt20g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

Leave it up to the Sourbac.

[wereoawl]

<bzl...@aaool.com> wrote in message
news:dpolp8t9os00uamta...@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:48:41 -0700 (PDT), frndthdevl
> <frndt...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>On May 20, 7:13 pm, "sweetbac" <sweet...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> "schizoawl" <caljamsc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> > The song I remember most was "Back Door Man".
>>>
>>> Wasn't that your theme song over on 53rd/3rd Ree-Tod?
>>> Now hush, fool
>>
>>Not going to get much sympathy around here. It alwasy amazed me how
>>many Doors haters there were among the deadheads aroond here.
>
> Really?? I have always been a big fan. Absolutely Live was one of
> those LPs of my youth that really blew my mind.
>
> Not sure what the rest of this babble is about, but the Doors were
> great, and Ray was a big reason why.

The babble is about I don't need to buy any Doors albums because unlike any
of you I actually lived it...with a bit of film to prove.

[wereoawl]

"sweetbac" <swee...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:kneopr$amf$1...@dont-email.me...

Oooooh, Sourbac.

[the Felonious Kidd]

On Monday, May 20, 2013 7:48:41 PM UTC-7, frndthdevl wrote:

> Not going to get much sympathy around here. It alwasy amazed me how
> many Doors haters there were among the deadheads aroond here.

I went through phases with the Doors. Loved 'em '67 - '71, forgot them '72 - '79. I have to confess that I was a bit ahead of the early 80's Doors revival when I somehow ended up with a copy of Waiting for the Sun in '79 and after I played it at a party or two people started giving me Doors albums, which I promptly played at the next party. After a couple of years I grew weary of the revival. Now I am happy to hear them once-in-a-while.

[marcman]

On 20 May, 22:48, frndthdevl <frndthd...@aol.com> wrote:
> On May 20, 7:13 pm, "sweetbac" <sweet...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > "schizoawl" <caljamsc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > The song I remember most was "Back Door Man".
>
> > Wasn't that your theme song over on 53rd/3rd Ree-Tod?
> > Now hush, fool
>
> Not going to get much sympathy around here. It alwasy amazed me how
> many Doors haters there were among the deadheads aroond here.

Huge, HUGE fan. Really sad news.

[marcman]

On 21 May, 00:55, Band Beyond Desu <t...@aiko.com> wrote:
>
>
> Lots of great stuff...Soft Parade, American Prayer (start hatin'!)...
>
>

Soft Parade. Great fucking album.

[B]

The Doors are largely mood music. If I'm in just the right mood, absolutely
love them. If not, too heavy. There are other bands I feel the same way
about but for other reasons: CCR, Airplane (though I can listen to Tuna or
almost any Jorma iteration freely), U2, GNR etc.,..

[wereoawl]

"B" <bg9...@bigYell.com> wrote in message news:knfheg$h7n$1...@dont-email.me...

Honey give me a break sheeze.

[gratefuljoe]

I think any anti-Doors sentiment began with Jerry, he thought they were a bunch of non-playing MFers:

Blair Jackson: ...We're doing an issue (of BAM Magazine) on The Doors-

Jerry Garcia: I never liked The Doors. I found them terribly offensive... when we played with them. It was back when (Jim) Morrison was just a Mick Jagger copy. That was his whole shot, that he was a Mick Jagger imitation. Not vocally, but his moves, his whole physical appearence, were totally stolen from right around Mick Jagger's 1965 tour of the States. He used to move around a lot, before he started to earn his reputation as a poet, which I thought was not really deserved. Rimbaud was great at eighteen, nineteen, and Verlaine. Those guys were great. Fuckin' Jim Morrison wasn't great. I'm sorry.

I could never see what it was about The Doors. They had a very brittle sound live, a three-piece band with no bass-the organ player (Ray Manzarek) used to do it. That and that kinda raga-rock guitar style was strange. It sounded very brittle and sharp-edged to me, not something I enjoyed listening to.

I kind of appreciated some of the stuff that they did later, and I appreciated a certain amount of Morrison's sheer craziness, just because that's always a nice trait in rock and roll. No, I never knew him, but Richard Loren, who works for us, was his agent and had to babysit him through his most drunken scenes and all the times he got busted and all that crap. He's got lots of stories to tell about Morrison.

I was never attracted to their music at all, so I couldn't really find anything to like about them. When we played with them, I think I watched the first tune or two, then I went upstairs and fooled with my guitar. There was nothing there that I wanted to know about. He was so patently an imitation of Mick Jagger that it was offensive. To me, when The Doors played in San Francisco they typified Los Angeles coming to San Francisco, which I equated with having the look right, but zero substance. This is way before their hit song "Light My Fire." Probably at the time in their development it was too early for anybody to make a decent judgement of them, but I've always looked for something else in music, and whatever it was they didn't have it. They didn't have anything of blues, for example, in their sound and feel.

[gratefuljoe]

Got that here:

http://www.morningdew.us/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=147

There was also this:

Jackson: Did you sense the negativity?

Garcia: No, not really. All I sensed was sham. As far as I was concerned, it was just surface and no substance. Then we opened for them in Santa Barbara some years later, when they were a little more powerful. Their sound had gotten better-they'd gotten more effectively amplified, so Manzarek's bass lines and stuff like that had a little more throb, but their sound was still thin. It wasn't a successful version of a three-piece band, like The Who or Jimi Hendrix or Cream, or any of the other guitar power-trio-type three piece bands. It's an interesting concept-a three-piece band that's keyboard, guitar and drums-but it was missing some element that I felt was vital. I couldn't say exactly what it was, but it was not satisfying for me to listen to them.

[bzl...@aaool.com]

Yikes. I've never seen Jerry be so negative about anything!

[marcman]

Pffft. C'mon Jer', you cannot petition the lord with prayer.

[amur...@gmail.com]

I don't buy the Morrison as ripoff of Jagger criticism as entirely valid, but this above was always my beef with the Doors. On certain albums, they filled in the void more, but the lack of interesting and loud bass lines always limited just how much and how long I could listen to the Doors. After a session with one of their albums, it was always time to put on something with balls.

And I like the Doors.

[yoker]

...and Mick Jagger took his moves from ELVIS PRESLEY.
Where's Richard Loren these days?

[Mike Healy]

On May 20, 3:12 pm, booie <ba_ba_b0...@webtv.net> wrote:


> bbb write:
> I have always liked the DOORS.
> I have never seen him live but I will miss him
>
> booie.......

I saw the Doors on my 18th birthday at MSG in January 1969. They had a
horn section to do "Touch Me".

When their first album came out, it was huge on Lon Guyland ..

Mike

[Michael Black]

But because of Ray Manzarek, they used the keyboard more than most groups
do.

The DOors were an odd mix, one minute something seemingly out of the
mainstream (though for some reason being a hit) like "Light My Fire". But
then fairly mainstream songs, "Hello I Love You". Both lyrically and
musically the songs are quite different. ANd they had the same mix of
audience, teenyboppers and then "serious" music fans.

Their last album came out the summer I first started listening to the
radio, 1971, so "Riders on the Storm" was new when I first heard it.

I had one or two of their albums on record, then when I started buying CDs
and joined the CD clubs, I wsa able to get all or all but one of their
albums fairly cheap. I'm not sure it changed my impression, the songs I'd
heard on the radio were there, the songs I hadn't heard didn't generally
make an impression. That's contrary to other artists, where I had no real
radio experience with them, and tended to like all the songs on all of the
albums (or something like that).

A few years back I got a commercial VHS os music videos from The DOors.
SOme date from when they were active, but there's one to go with "LA
Woman" that was made later, under the auspices of Ray Manzarek. I think
it fits the song well, even if it was done after the era of the music had
moved on.

> And I like the Doors.
>

But there seems to be a limit to that liking, certainly there is for me.

Michael

[sparksfly]

On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:03:36 PM UTC-4, Michael Black wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2013, amur...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:36:50 AM UTC-7, bzl...@aaool.com wrote:
>
> >> On Tue, 21 May 2013 06:14:05 -0700 (PDT), gratefuljoe
>
> >>
>

> >> <gratefuljoe@aol.

I would never question Manzareck's musicianship, but his organ tone was a little to Monster Mashey for my taste.

[Ed Chapin]

I would call it more of an honest, if not completely diplomatic
critique. Jerry laid out what he didn't like about their sound, but
also made explicit the subjective nature of his opinion.

I tend to agree with him, generally dismissing The Doors as cheesy
carnival midway pop drivel. On the other hand, P.T. Barnum sold a lot
of cotton candy in his day ;-)

Ed

[Just Kidding]

Nuthin' like an LA/SF cat fight....meow!!!!

[marcman]

On May 21, 3:32 pm, Just Kidding <JustKidd...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2013 06:10:42 -0700 (PDT), gratefuljoe
>

Marcman likes this <thumbs up icon>

[Edwin Hurwitz]

In article <1b8a04f3-e6f5-4782...@kt20g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>, frndthdevl <frndt...@aol.com> wrote:

> On May 20, 7:13�pm, "sweetbac" <sweet...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > "schizoawl" <caljamsc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > The song I remember most was "Back Door Man".
> >
> > Wasn't that your theme song over on 53rd/3rd Ree-Tod?
> > Now hush, fool
>

> Not going to get much sympathy around here. It alwasy amazed me how

> many Doors haters there were among the deadheads aroond here. Perhaps

> you have to be an old fuck who remembers that first 6 minute hit.
> later made famous by the English boys. Who also get hate,oh wait thatt
> aBeatle hater and the big Beatle blooger Lover are in Sourbac's
> preferred etablishment.
>
> Not blind,just p a kick ass tune played at 11. Might have been my Mom
> in a coma,but the song hit. At 11 it kills. Gospel or not
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGN4VOvriAQ
>
> what do you want me to do for you to see you through

I'm not so much a Doors hater as someone who's mostly just not impressed with Jim Morrison. The other three were OK. In general, I don't find their music all that compelling and the lyrics are even
worse. The fact that they were so much a part of the LA hit making machinery also makes them smell funny. Lots of hype. Plus, no bass player is not a positive in this case. Maybe I'm not old enough.

I'm sorry to see Ray go. He seemed like a really nice guy, very genuine.

[gratefuljoe]

For the record, I like The Doors, was a huge fan in High School when there was that revival, had most of their albums (fave was probably a compilation Weird Scenes Inside the Gold Mine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weird_Scenes_Inside_the_Gold_Mine).

The RS cover from that time:

http://ring.cdandlp.com/golfdrouot73/photo_grande/114098209.jpg

Over the years I listened to them less and less. The pop type songs like Touch Me I would turn the dial if I heard on the car radio, others like LA Woman or Riders on The Storm (or Peace Frog) I would blast and sing along to. Recently re-watched Apocalypse Now and the beginning of that film is quite intense with The End playing.

[iL_WeReo]

And I thought I was alone in here.

[Edwin Hurwitz]

I have to agree with the use of The End. Perhaps their most compelling song.

On a related note, a friend of mine recounted having a dream where that song was played by some band and sung by Elmer Fudd.

This is the end, my fwend!

[gringo]

You nailed it. I can see how folks do not like say Zappa because the lyrics can make you cringe. However, Morrison's poetry... not very good at all imho. The lyrics are the weak link that makes it all fall apart.

Kurt

[sweetbac]

"Edgar Hurowitz" <ed...@indra.com> bellowed in message

> This is the end, my fwend!

<Stares>
<Stares again>
<Sips his beer>
<Stares one mo'again>

[B]

gringo <kpn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> You nailed it. I can see how folks do not like say Zappa because the
> lyrics can make you cringe. However, Morrison's poetry... not very good
> at all imho. The lyrics are the weak link that makes it all fall apart.

They were completely appropriate and cool for the time but are dated today,
much like beads, the Jefferson Airplane and Wavy Gravy. Though once in
awhile I can listen to the Airplane, most of the time the intensity rings
too silly.

[wereoawl]

"B" <bg9...@bigYell.com> wrote in message news:knr68j$irh$1...@dont-email.me...

I am the only one who matters in music thank you.

[the Felonious Kidd]

On Saturday, May 25, 2013 5:25:26 PM UTC-7, Band Beyond Desu wrote:

> gringo <kpn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > You nailed it. I can see how folks do not like say Zappa because the
> > lyrics can make you cringe. However, Morrison's poetry... not very good
> > at all imho. The lyrics are the weak link that makes it all fall apart.
>
> > Kurt
>

> Er, the Phish thread is three doors down the hall in the kindergarten
> wing...

You sir, are obviously not willing to find something interesting there.

[Tarp Skidoo]

In article <35406356391290373....@News.Individual.NET>,

Band Beyond Desu <t...@aiko.com> wrote:

> the Felonious Kidd <bob_...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> It's interesting you say that...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qf6Sv3A9zs

[Edwin Hurwitz]

After Bathing At Baxter's, at least side one, still holds up for me. Jack is just genius all over it.

[gringo]

On Saturday, May 25, 2013 8:25:26 PM UTC-4, Band Beyond Desu wrote:
> gringo <kpn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>

> Er, the Phish thread is three doors down the hall in the kindergarten
>
> wing...

I agree with that! I think Phish has talent; they are not the GD, but they can play. However, some of the lyrics are beyond bad. What that band needs is an editor (like a newspaper one). Ummm... Trey? No! Another band that imho fits the same category is Flaming Lips. After Yoshimi, everything is for lack of a better word just too damn syrupy.

Kurt

[gringo]

Hmmm... there's a difference between dated and bad. I like JA. Dated? Sure. However, I think from a compositional standpoint everything is ok. Morrison is dated and bad. YMMV.

Kurt

[B]

gringo <kpn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I agree with that! I think Phish has talent; they are not the GD, but
> they can play. However, some of the lyrics are beyond bad. What that band
> needs is an editor (like a newspaper one). Ummm... Trey? No! Another band
> that imho fits the same category is Flaming Lips. After Yoshimi,
> everything is for lack of a better word just too damn syrupy.

Couple of lessons in the jamband required formula of build and release
couldn't hurt. While they do it sometimes, oft time enough if goes nowhere
except back to endless noodling. I do like their ver. of the 2001 theme. If
it was convenient, I was in the mood and it wasn't too pricey, I'd go check
them out. One of these days...

[gringo]

IMHO, when Phish gets "weird" during the jams, that is when it gets good. When they take it out. Otherwise I agree, a lot of times it really is Trey just playing on top of everyone else. However, I would need to check ticket stubs, but for an arena type show, their prices are usually very reasonable.

Kurt

[marcman]

On May 28, 7:58 am, B <bg9...@bigYell.com> wrote:

Might I suggest a live $15 HD PPV event?

http://livephish.com

Maybe leave the tickets for those of us that really want 'em . . .

[marcman]

On May 28, 9:32 am, gringo <kpnn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:58:11 AM UTC-4, B wrote:

Their prices are incredibly reasonable as compared to other touring
acts, especially other touring acts that have been on the road as long
as they have.

I take serious exception to your commentary that Trey (mostly) just
plays all over everybody else, that's simply inaccurate. It also
implies that he's the only quality musician in the quartet and that's
simply not so. I'd put Gordon's bass up against *any* bass player out
there on the circuit, Fishman reminds me a *lot* of Moon and Page
isn't called the Chairman of the Boards fer nuthin' . . .

[B]

Hmmmm, you make it sound so exclusive now I want to go even more nay have
to go! Got an extra? Maybe a miracle for an RMGD homeboy?

[marcman]

On May 28, 11:59 am, B <bg9...@bigYell.com> wrote:

> Maybe a miracle for an RMGD homeboy?

Oh.

You're *that* guy . . .

:)

[sparksfly]

On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:58:11 AM UTC-4, B wrote:

> gringo <kpn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I agree with that! I think Phish has talent; they are not the GD, but
>
> > they can play. However, some of the lyrics are beyond bad. What that band
>
> > needs is an editor (like a newspaper one). Ummm... Trey? No! Another band
>
> > that imho fits the same category is Flaming Lips. After Yoshimi,
>
> > everything is for lack of a better word just too damn syrupy.
>
>
>
> Couple of lessons in the jamband required formula of build and release
>
> couldn't hurt.

This is a pretty ludricus statement considering they are the jam band that set the standard for tension and release jams that other bands influenced by phish picked up on. Unless you were being sarcastic or something but early phish's bread and butter were tension and release type stuff.

[B]

One man's ceiling is another man's floor. I've seen Trey a few times with
other bands and heard Phish shows and tunes many times on the radio. Maybe
it's the noodling that goes nowhere that tilts m appreciation or
acknowledgment of your tension/release. Either way, I was not being
sarcastic in this rare instance.

[B]

I wish! Although I once walked up to a theater to buy a Tuna ticket a 1/2
hour before show time and some random guy handed me a 2nd row center
freebie. Offered to pay but he insisted in nada. Does that count?

[gringo]

You may have misunderstood. Trey is definitely the weakest vocalist imho, and Gordon has improved tremendously through the years. Trey can step up and kick it into overdrive, but I think he is better when he pulls back a bit. Make sense?

Kurt

[Just Kidding]

I'm no musical historian, but I'm pretty sure that tension and release
has been around a lot longer than Phish or any other jambands,
including the Dead if you consider them one.

[sparksfly]

That's why I used the qualifying term JAM. I also said "set the standard" which is debatable, of course.

Tension and release is as old as the hills. I never said Phish invented it but it's a very prominent feature of phish's jamming style. This is indisputable and the only point I was trying to make.

[James Pablos]

On May 28, 2:59 pm, gringo <kpnn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> You may have misunderstood. Trey is definitely the weakest vocalist imho, and Gordon has improved tremendously through the years. Trey can step up and kick it into overdrive, but I think he is better when he pulls back a bit. Make sense?

Every Phish song I've ever heard sounds like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwCcj3ZekpY

It's just... inorganic or something. I don't know. There's tension and
release there, but Trey's lines are always like little equations... I
prefer Jerry's long, conversational lines.

[marcman]

On May 29, 1:15 pm, James Pablos <james.pab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 28, 2:59 pm, gringo <kpnn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > You may have misunderstood. Trey is definitely the weakest vocalist imho, and Gordon has improved tremendously through the years. Trey can step up and kick it into overdrive, but I think he is better when he pulls back a bit. Make sense?
>
> Every Phish song I've ever heard sounds like this:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwCcj3ZekpY
>

This song always reminded me of Caddyshack . . .

Couple of things . . . If tension and release is what you're looking
for I think these three examples below are far better examples of that
sort of Phish doing that sort of thing in teh here and now. Also,
fwiw, these three clips are JEP examples of why *I* go to see this
band in the present. It's this shit right here that I love more than
anything. Maybe not everybody's cup of tea, but here ya go . . .

9/2/12 Sand http://youtu.be/uWh1ur7B5FI

9/1/12 Light http://youtu.be/uWh1ur7B5FI

12/28/12 Tweezer > Maze http://youtu.be/O10G8UtmrO0

[marcman]

On May 29, 2:17 pm, marcman <marcmanstud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 29, 1:15 pm, James Pablos <james.pab...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 28, 2:59 pm, gringo <kpnn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > You may have misunderstood. Trey is definitely the weakest vocalist imho, and Gordon has improved tremendously through the years. Trey can step up and kick it into overdrive, but I think he is better when he pulls back a bit. Make sense?
>
> > Every Phish song I've ever heard sounds like this:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwCcj3ZekpY
>
> This song always reminded me of Caddyshack . . .
>
> Couple of things . . . If tension and release is what you're looking
> for I think these three examples below are far better examples of that
> sort of Phish doing that sort of thing in teh here and now. Also,
> fwiw, these three clips are JEP examples of why *I* go to see this
> band in the present. It's this shit right here that I love more than
> anything. Maybe not everybody's cup of tea, but here ya go . . .
>
> 9/2/12 Sand  http://youtu.be/uWh1ur7B5FI

Oops. 9/2/12 Sand http://youtu.be/8i3TohOUN78 is the correct link for
that.

[Edwin Hurwitz]

In article <dd1dcdda-3a6d-40d0...@googlegroups.com>, gringo <kpn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I agree with that! I think Phish has talent; they are not the GD, but they
> can play. However, some of the lyrics are beyond bad. What that band needs is
> an editor (like a newspaper one). Ummm... Trey? No! Another band that imho
> fits the same category is Flaming Lips. After Yoshimi, everything is for lack
> of a better word just too damn syrupy.
>
> Kurt

Maybe you might appreciate their songs a bit more if you heard other people playing them. Check out Dub Like An Antelope. Hearing these singers interpret the songs is pretty cool. I like it way more
than I thought I would, as I usually don't go for this kind of schtick (like Dub Side of the Moon).

[Edwin Hurwitz]

Maybe you meant this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNHIFM0Y87c

[sparksfly]

Bathtub gin 1994 east lansing Michigan...shit got real...you can't put corn like that in a can..
But make no mistake...the Phish can jam....They can pull it out
And put it back in again...and deconstruct a theme like Charles Ives...

[sparksfly]

On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 1:15:55 PM UTC-4, James Pablos wrote:

They don't do the tension and release thing is Rift.

[3jane.]

On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:24:44 PM UTC-4, sparksfly wrote:

> >
>
> > It's just... inorganic or something. I don't know. There's tension and
>
> >
>
> > release there, but Trey's lines are always like little equations... I
>
> >
>
> > prefer Jerry's long, conversational lines.
>
>
>
> They don't do the tension and release thing is Rift.

I prefer TAB in a nice club to Phish shows these days, TAB is a great band, with a lot more swing IMO and a whole new set of great songs. Maybe I'm getting old..

[James Pablos]

On May 29, 2:17 pm, marcman <marcmanstud...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 9/2/12 Sand  http://youtu.be/uWh1ur7B5FI
>
> 9/1/12 Light  http://youtu.be/uWh1ur7B5FI
>
> 12/28/12 Tweezer > Maze  http://youtu.be/O10G8UtmrO0

Thanks, Marc. I'll give these a listen tomorrow and report back.

[B]

sparksfly <mrbi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Tension and release is as old as the hills. I never said Phish invented
> it but it's a very prominent feature of phish's jamming style. This is
> indisputable and the only point I was trying to make.

This is RMGD. Everything is disputable.

[the Felonious Kidd]

Indisputably so.

[James Pablos]

On May 30, 6:27 am, B <bg9...@bigYell.com> wrote:

> sparksfly <mrbir...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Tension and release is as old as the hills. I never said Phish invented
> > it but it's a very prominent feature of phish's jamming style.  This is
> > indisputable and the only point I was trying to make.
>

> This is RMGD. Everyone is disreputable.

Fixed.

[marcman]

Not so.

Once in a while you can get shown the light, in the strangest of
places if you look at it right.

[trb...@frontier.com]

On Monday, May 20, 2013 10:01:50 PM UTC-5, bzl...@aaool.com wrote:

> Not sure what the rest of this babble is about, but the Doors were
>
> great, and Ray was a big reason why.

I met Ray Manzarek and Michael McClure on the street
in downtown Seattle once. Michael didn't have much to
say but Ray was quite congenial and good natured. I saw
them play that night in the oddest little club I've ever
been in. A combination of laundromat, coffee shop and a
tiny clubroom in back. Fun night of spoken word and Doors
riffs. Afterward they were signing books and old LP covers.
I asked the bouncer for one of the posters for that night's
show and he said "Just take the one that's in the window."
I did, and got it autographed and now it's one of my prize
possessions in a frame on my wall.

Tom

[Michael Black]

Was tha recent? I remember a period when the two were performing
together, something like 15 years ago, and they even came here.

Michael