Was Jerry Garcia Murdered?
Yohannon
him with any responses to this e-mail address, send them to me at
Juli...@aol.com.
I had to use this account because when I tried to send this through AOL it
never made it to the ng. It could have been general cyber foul-ups but it
might be something more disturbing.
I have heard this from sources within the GD family. I am not trying to
spread a vicious rumor, but I am concerned by some of the questions raised
by people who would be in a far better position to know.
As has been written here previously, Deborah Koons' nickname is Black
Deborah. Not only did she deal heroin to many Marin County residents, but
she also got the name from a self described affinty to the character in
the movie "Black Widow", starring Deborah Winger. The movie was about a
woman who made a habit of marrying rich men who then would die under
somewhat suspicious circumstances. She would then collect on their wills.
In the movie the character used drugs that left no trace, and made it
appear as though the man had died from a heart attack.
So lets look at the facts that we do know:
1. Jerry was clean when he was at Betty Ford, one week prior to his
death. Yet traces of herion, an indication of recent use were found in
his body by the Marin County Coroner during the autopsy.
2. Somehow, somewhere, Jerry acquired heroin between Betty Ford and the
day of his death. The only people who saw Jerry between the time he left
BF and started residency at Serenity Knolls were Steve Parrish and
Deborah. Steve is a long time friend and member of the family who I
believe would not have provided Jerry the heroin.
In addition to the above:
3. Rumor has it that Jerry was on the verge of divorcing Deborah, changing
his will and cutting her out, and that he had already been in consultation
with his lawyer about this.
4. Rumor also has it that Menasha and Annabelle may very well contest the
will as it stands now.
The fact is that it's a fairly simple matter for someone with experience
dealing in heroin to cut it with any number of substances that could
induce a heart attack. Deborah also was fully aware of Jerry's sleep
apnea: This condition, left untreated, almost always ends with the victim
having a heart attack. Deborah is actually quoted saying as much in
Rolling Stone.
So what does this all mean? Jerry's death could easily be the logical
result of a lot of heavy living over a long period of time...but what if
that's exactly the perception someone is counting on?
I would appreciate people's thought on all of this. Please spare me the
flames, I'm aware that this may be perceived as case of mindlesss
conspiracy theorizing. As a long time lurker in this newsgroup I
understand that Jerry's death was a blow to all of us. However, if there
is *any* truth to this, and we ignore it, it would be far worse.
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Kingfish
(lots of unsubstantiatable rumors and speculation deleted)
>I'm aware that this may be perceived as case of mindlesss
>conspiracy theorizing. As a long time lurker in this newsgroup I
>understand that Jerry's death was a blow to all of us. However, if there
>is *any* truth to this, and we ignore it, it would be far worse.
It's mindless conspiracy theorizing. Let's work through our grief by
honoring the man's life, not by looking for someone to blame.
Jon
Kentucky J
Birthday. Do you really believe that Steve and Deborah were the only ones
he saw at that time ?
John
Eric Paul Fein
>>conspiracy theorizing. As a long time lurker in this newsgroup I
>>understand that Jerry's death was a blow to all of us. However, if there
>>is *any* truth to this, and we ignore it, it would be far worse.
Conspiracy?
Anyone else here heard about the 'magic needle' theory?
I was the lone gunman on the grassy knoll.
-eric (who's dealing with this the only way he knows how: with humor ;-)
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pelo...@axp2.acf.nyu.edu
>
> I have heard this from sources within the GD family. I am not trying to
> spread a vicious rumor, but I am concerned by some of the questions raised
> by people who would be in a far better position to know.
>
> In addition to the above:
>
> 3. Rumor has it that Jerry was on the verge of divorcing Deborah, changing
> his will and cutting her out, and that he had already been in consultation
> with his lawyer about this.
>
> 4. Rumor also has it that Menasha and Annabelle may very well contest the
> will as it stands now.
You don't mean to spread vicious rumors, yet here you are admitting
this IS a rumor. And if Jerry adn Deborah were so much on the
outs as you imply, why did he trust her to get him out of
Betty Ford? No one else liked him enough to help him?
Or maybe he did trust and love her after all.
> So what does this all mean? Jerry's death could easily be the logical
> result of a lot of heavy living over a long period of time...but what if
> that's exactly the perception someone is counting on?
Point is - you don't know. And you haven't let not knowing
interefer with your telling of all us what you would like
to believe as if it had some factual basis.
> Please spare me the flames,
Last refuge of a scoundrel.
>I'm aware that this may be perceived as case of mindlesss
> conspiracy theorizing.
Exactly - you want to believe it, believe it. You want me to
believe it, prove it to me with more than "I heard that"
and "it is possible" as your evidence.
David Pelovitz - PELO...@Acfcluster.nyu.edu
"Involuntarily yielding to the temptation of logical
development, involuntarily (be careful, Cincinnatus!)
forging into a chain all the things that were quite
harmless as long as they remained unlinked, he inspired
the meaningless with meaning, and the lifeless with life."
Vladimir Nabokov
Gregor19
JosiePeron
article, which in turn quoted the coroner's report, was "pinhole." I can
see your looking for someone to blame; that's a natural response to grief.
But don't go blaming Deborah. She's got enough problems right now.
Sheesh.
-Em
Michael Wagner
Daniel L. Downs
Jeez....
I rarely post to this newsgroup, maybe a tape grovel now and
then...But I am going out to the garage to get my
flame-device...Load it with gasoline and Ivory Flakes (to make
it stick...Wooooosh!!! hummm...it works!) I tried the flame
device out on a shrub around the house...gives a whole new
meaning to Jagger's "I am the burning bush"....
My dear Juli...@aol.com
You are so full of S*** your eyes are brown.
J. Garcia died of his own vices, naturally.
Take your murdered idea and shove it...were the sun don't shine.
Many of us old folks (yeah, I am old...pushing 50) have bad
habits, bad diets etc. To find murder is a totally weird thing.
Take a hike Juli...@aol.com a long hike......listen to tapes.
Get a real life....
WOW! I didn't know this old flame device still worked! I
better put it back in the garage before I hurt some one..
Whoooosh...Suck air, bitch!
Damn, it is still loaded! The old flame thrower remembers
chest wounds from Nam! Time to put the damn thing away!
ddo...@freenet.vcu.edu
ddo...@pen.k12.va.us
fyd...@well.sf.ca.us
Seth Jackson
: I would appreciate people's thought on all of this. Please spare me the
: flames, I'm aware that this may be perceived as case of mindlesss
: conspiracy theorizing. As a long time lurker in this newsgroup I
: understand that Jerry's death was a blow to all of us. However, if there
: is *any* truth to this, and we ignore it, it would be far worse.
It's mindless conspiracy theorizing. If there was even one shred of
evidence to support your idea, then it might be worth taking seriously,
but you are engaging in pure 100% unadulterated speculation based nothing
except some rumor which I'd never even heard before until you mentioned
it.
If it was murder, it would have to be one hell of a conspiracy, since the
nurses and doctors and probably directors of Serenity Knolls would all
have to be in on it, plus the police and the coroner's office. If you
believe there's any chance that all these people would be involved in a
cover-up, the next question you'd have to ask is: "Why?" I can't think of
a single reason.
--
Seth Jackson
gypsy
Wharfrat93
writes:
>Maybe Oliver Stone would be interested in hearing your story.
Oh, I thought that's who posted this article originally.
Only Stone could come up with this S#$%
Don McCallister
>First of all, I am sending this from a friend's account, so dont bother
>him with any responses to this e-mail address, send them to me at
>Juli...@aol.com.
(snippage)
>As has been written here previously, Deborah Koons' nickname is Black
>Deborah. Not only did she deal heroin to many Marin County residents, but
>she also got the name from a self described affinty to the character in
>the movie "Black Widow", starring Deborah Winger. The movie was about a
>woman who made a habit of marrying rich men who then would die under
>somewhat suspicious circumstances. She would then collect on their wills.
>In the movie the character used drugs that left no trace, and made it
>appear as though the man had died from a heart attack.
(snippage of rest of theory)
As a 1st class conspiracy nut, I commend you on the post, which, as offensive
as it was, intrigued me as much as a bunch of unsubstantiated BS can.
HOWEVER (and this is a big one), would you have drawn the same conclusion
if you had not seen the above mentioned film??? One wonders if you haven't
run JFK through the VCR one too many times.
Based on the coroner's report, I would the say the heart attack was
waiting to happen w/out any help from Deborah. Of course, the M.E.
could be in on it. . .
-gratefool don
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Jim Barrett
Kirk Leach
What is scary is that the jury in the O.J. Simpson case is probably going
to believe stuff as ridiculous as this and let him walk. Americans love
conspiracy theories.
Kirk
Andrew C Robertson
>
> So what does this all mean? Jerry's death could easily be the logical
> result of a lot of heavy living over a long period of time...but what
> if that's exactly the perception someone is counting on?
My recommendation to you is to RUN to your phone and hire Barnaby Jones
this INSTANT!!
drewbob (Quinn) Martin Productions Now Televisions Are Prevalent
Rex Jackson
Barnaby can't do the job! We need Sam Spade! I'll bet he'll find that
Bobby and Debbie planned it together. Sam'll bid them farewell as the
cream Cord convertible they booby trap in hopes of getting rid of him
plunges off the 1 with them trapped inside. Then Mickey will be forced
to take over vocal chores in the band while he drums and sweats too
much.
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O'B
I know! I know! Mark Fuhrman did it. A friend of a friend of a friend has
this tape (an audience tape, alas) of Fuhrman saying "Deadhead"ãsorry,
using the "D" wordã repeatedly in the early 80's. I believe he was also
spotted on the grassy knoll...
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J.O'B.
dylp...@ultranet.com
If you plant ice, you're gonna harvest wind...
Todd Brown
>So lets look at the facts that we do know:
>
>1. Jerry was clean when he was at Betty Ford, one week prior to his
>death. Yet traces of herion, an indication of recent use were found in
>his body by the Marin County Coroner during the autopsy.
>
>2. Somehow, somewhere, Jerry acquired heroin between Betty Ford and the
>day of his death. The only people who saw Jerry between the time he left
>BF and started residency at Serenity Knolls were Steve Parrish and
>Deborah. Steve is a long time friend and member of the family who I
>believe would not have provided Jerry the heroin.
>
>In addition to the above:
>
>3. Rumor has it that Jerry was on the verge of divorcing Deborah, changing
>his will and cutting her out, and that he had already been in consultation
>with his lawyer about this.
>
>4. Rumor also has it that Menasha and Annabelle may very well contest the
>will as it stands now.
At least you said it was a rumor!
>The fact is that it's a fairly simple matter for someone with experience
>dealing in heroin to cut it with any number of substances that could
>induce a heart attack. Deborah also was fully aware of Jerry's sleep
>apnea: This condition, left untreated, almost always ends with the victim
>having a heart attack. Deborah is actually quoted saying as much in
>Rolling Stone.
>
>So what does this all mean? Jerry's death could easily be the logical
>result of a lot of heavy living over a long period of time...but what if
>that's exactly the perception someone is counting on?
Ah? One FACT you forgot to mention was the autospy showed that Jerry had
two arteries 85% blocked and a third 30% blocked.
Now how could the murderer plug arteries??
Just wondering?
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Kent Stewart
[delusions deleted]
Pathetic, Julie. Truly pathetic.
annoyed,
--bongo
Wharfrat93
Roserunner
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Kent Stewart
>Ah? One FACT you forgot to mention was the autospy showed that Jerry had
>two arteries 85% blocked and a third 30% blocked.
>
>Now how could the murderer plug arteries??
I have it on excellent authority that she used to bake these *killer*
triple fudge brownies....
conspiratorily,
--bongo
Seth Jackson
: Now how could the murderer plug arteries??
You obviously haven't watched enough "Columbo". :^)
--
Seth Jackson
Jay Strauss
Stewart) writes:
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>>Ah? One FACT you forgot to mention was the autospy showed that Jerry
had
>>two arteries 85% blocked and a third 30% blocked.
>>
>
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>triple fudge brownies....
>
>
>conspiratorily,
>--bongo
I *KNEW* it <----hand slapping down on desk
It's the work of the infamous Brownie Bandita, a.k.a. the
Daughter of Sam killer.
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>> The only people who saw Jerry between the time he left
>>BF and started residency at Serenity Knolls were Steve Parrish and
>>Deborah.
You expect me to believe that an extremely sociable person like Jerry
only talked to _two_ people during an entire week? If you're gonna
create a conspiracy theory, you should at least make it a plausible one,
or else everyone will just flame you and then forget you.
Wharfrat93
(Roserunner) writes:
>Subject: Re: Was Jerry Garcia Murdered?
>From: rose...@noller.com (Roserunner)
>Date: 13 Sep 95 22:33:4 GMT
NO!
Michael Stone
: I know! I know! Mark Fuhrman did it. A friend of a friend of a friend has
: this tape (an audience tape, alas) of Fuhrman saying "Deadhead"ãsorry,
: using the "D" wordã repeatedly in the early 80's. I believe he was also
: spotted on the grassy knoll...
: If you plant ice, you're gonna harvest wind...
The best reason to ignore homicide theories re: JG, even if there is some
possible factual basis for it, is who would want to have a trial.
Especially if the homicide charge is based on providing heroin to a
consenting adult.
QuinEskimo
Ronald Macdonald, The Kentucky Colonel, Camel Joe, and Mr. Brownstone
teamed up to do the deed. It took a while but sure enough...
Best not to hang out with these folks, kids.....
vacchetr
check-out aisle.
Put on a crispy sounding tape and listen to the music play.
RV
Jimmy Lichtman
-jimmy
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Seth Jackson
: You know, this is something I expected years ago. Other than the
: struggle to get the rights, I can't imagine why movies have been made
: about so many rock groups and not the Dead. The story of the Grateful
: Dead is one of the most interesting and far-reaching stories of modern
: times. I'd buy a copy on tape, disc and isolinear optical chip. Coppola
I seem to recall a feature film entitled "The Grateful Dead", directed by
a guy named Jerome Garcia. :^)
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Seth Jackson
Aprilsthi
Jerry some credit, he married her didn't he. He's gone, nothin's gonna
bring him back.
Loose Lucy