Famous Deadheads?
v092...@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
Hey all,
I thought a neat thread would be any famous Deadheads that every-
one can think of. I see many posts for famous heads here, many
I never new about. There are the obvious like Bruce Hornsby,
Roseanne, etc. One I know of, who actually isn't all that
famous, is Richie Balldinger (not kidding). He is a football
player. He played for the Giants at one time, then moved out
west. My dad is a football coach for Massapequa High School
on Long Island and coached Balldinger. My dad said that
Balldinger had lifetime backstage passes to Dead shows and sometimes
will be seen dancing on the side of the stage (what a site,
this guy is HUGE). Anyway, anyonw got anymore?
Scott
Larry T Finkelstein
Tipper Gore (Vice Pres Al Gore's wife) was absent from Pat Nixon's
funeral because she was atending a Dead show. She also told a report
(during the '92 campain) that the most recent album she'd purchased
was a CD of Europe '72.
Also a past or perhaps current govener of New Jersey was a Deadhead.
Unfortunately I can't recall his name.
Matt Goering, creator of 'Life in Hell' and 'The Simpsons'. He did a
strip in memory of Jerry about buying his first Dead album.
--Peace,
---Larry
wk...@cornell.edu
I was looking through the HBO promo magazine for this month, and on the
inside there is a picture of Bruce Willis from Die Hard 3. Although the
picture is a bit grainy, you can clearly make out a tattoo on his arm that
depicts a skull wearing a vertically striped top hat, and it looks like
the skull is holding two roses in its teeth. Any thoughts?
--
William Kolbenschlag
wk...@cornell.edu
(607)256-8224
Every time that wheel turn round,
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
QuinEskimo
In article <4paum9$a...@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, lar...@primenet.com
(Larry T Finkelstein) writes:
>Tipper Gore (Vice Pres Al Gore's wife) was absent from Pat Nixon's
>funeral because she was atending a Dead show. She also told a report
>(during the '92 campain) that the most recent album she'd purchased
>was a CD of Europe '72.
>
>
She also was the driving force behind the PMRC, the group that initiated
the "Parental Advisory" stickering of recorded music, to "protect our
children" from lyrics like the ones in Wharf Rat, Loose Lucy, and others.
Sticker this, Tipper.
Marc Olson
Larry T Finkelstein wrote:
>
> Tipper Gore (Vice Pres Al Gore's wife) was absent from Pat Nixon's
> funeral because she was atending a Dead show. She also told a report
> (during the '92 campain) that the most recent album she'd purchased
> was a CD of Europe '72.
I bet she wouldn't buy Skull and Roses with the FUCK in the Wharf Rat.
Gotta put a sticker on that album.
>
> Also a past or perhaps current govener of New Jersey was a Deadhead.
> Unfortunately I can't recall his name.
That would be Christine Todd Whitman. Hopefully Bob Dole's choice for
Vice President.
Marc
Jace
Lots of folks wrote:
> > Tipper Gore (Vice Pres Al Gore's wife) was absent from Pat Nixon's
> > funeral because she was atending a Dead show. She also told a report
> > (during the '92 campain) that the most recent album she'd purchased
> > was a CD of Europe '72.
> That would be Christine Todd Whitman. Hopefully Bob Dole's choice for
> Vice President.
Let's not forget King Feisal of Saudi Arabia, whose memory is recalled in
Blues for Allah (rumor has it).
Michell102
Aren't ALL deadheads famous by virtue of their avocation?
Michelle McFee
Public Relations Director, The DAVID NELSON BAND
Eric Dorman
In article <4pcb9f$3...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
quine...@aol.com (QuinEskimo) wrote:
>In article <4paum9$a...@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, lar...@primenet.com
>(Larry T Finkelstein) writes:
>
>>funeral because she was atending a Dead show. She also told a report
>>(during the '92 campain) that the most recent album she'd purchased
>>was a CD of Europe '72.
>>
>>
>the "Parental Advisory" stickering of recorded music, to "protect our
>children" from lyrics like the ones in Wharf Rat, Loose Lucy, and others.
>Sticker this, Tipper.
Tipper Gore also played drums in a rock band when she was in high school.
-Eric
ch...@mdc.net
gov. Weld in massachusetts tried to get the state flag flown at half
mast on the day jerry died.
ex Boston Celtic Bill Walton, I think
Scott P Evans
A friend of mine saw JFK Jr. and Darryl Hannah (togehter) at Deer Creek
94. I can't be for sure since I didn't see them. Did anyone else?
VinylsFinl
I've seen god many a time at many a Dead show.
And I'm an atheist!!
The listened to DPV on Sunday and still waiting for landing instructions
on Monday. Come in tower, Sunshine Kid
Serendipitous Discoveries
In <4phd5l$k...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> vinyl...@aol.com (VinylsFinl)
writes:
>I've seen god many a time at many a Dead show.
>And I'm an atheist!!
>
Haaaaahahahahaha! Good one, sunshine kid! I now forgive your
facetious remark from a few days ago. Maybe someday you can sit next
to me after all ;)
cheers
Becka
Chris Forshay
in digest #718, wk...@cornell.edu posted:
|I was looking through the HBO promo magazine for this month, and on the
|inside there is a picture of Bruce Willis from Die Hard 3. Although the
|picture is a bit grainy, you can clearly make out a tattoo on his arm that
|depicts a skull wearing a vertically striped top hat, and it looks like
|the skull is holding two roses in its teeth. Any thoughts?
yeah. bruce willis used to be a bartender at the late, lamented cafe
central at 75th & amsterdam in nyc. the fact that such a talent-challenged
individual has achieved such fame & fortune (not to mention demi moore) is a
damning indictment of american society & culture.
Matthew S. Cramer
QuinEskimo wrote:
>
> In article <4paum9$a...@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, lar...@primenet.com
> (Larry T Finkelstein) writes:
>
> >Tipper Gore (Vice Pres Al Gore's wife) was absent from Pat Nixon's
> >funeral because she was atending a Dead show. She also told a report
> >(during the '92 campain) that the most recent album she'd purchased
> >was a CD of Europe '72.
> >
> >
> She also was the driving force behind the PMRC, the group that initiated
> the "Parental Advisory" stickering of recorded music, to "protect our
> children" from lyrics like the ones in Wharf Rat, Loose Lucy, and others.
> Sticker this, Tipper.
I have a feeling she was more concerned with lyrics that encourage rape and
murder in graphic terms, but what do I know.
Matt
--
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Sonex Corporation, Dept. of Engineering
Coming Soon: <ma...@main.sonex.com>
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Scot age 34 look 24 act 14. -thats a j
I saw Kevin Mchale, Larry Bird, and some of the other Celtics hanging out back
stage at some shows at Worcester and Boston Garden during the Mid 80's. This
was around the same time In The Dark came out. (Mickey wore a Celtics jacket
in the Touch of Grey video, didn't he?)
Sen Patrick Leahy of VT and Gov William Weld of MA are both DeadHeads.
There are lots of other famous people who are Heads, I just can't think of them
right now
Scot
VinylsFinl
In article <4php3h$4...@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,
sere...@ix.netcom.com(Serendipitous Discoveries) writes:
>>
>>I've seen god many a time at many a Dead show.
>>And I'm an atheist!!
>>
>
>Haaaaahahahahaha! Good one, sunshine kid! I now forgive your
>facetious remark from a few days ago. Maybe someday you can sit next
>to me after all ;)
>cheers
>Becka
>
>
High Becka,
I was pretty sure that you knew I was only kidding you. My dead mom was
talking to you through me ;-)
I'd be more than proud to sit next to anybody who uses facetious in a
sentence.
The Dead, Sunshine Kid
QuinEskimo
In article <31BCA5...@main.cpcnet.com>, "Matthew S. Cramer"
<ma...@main.cpcnet.com> writes:
>> In article <4paum9$a...@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, lar...@primenet.com
>> (Larry T Finkelstein) writes:
>>
>> >Tipper Gore (Vice Pres Al Gore's wife) was absent from Pat Nixon's
>> >funeral because she was atending a Dead show. She also told a report
>> >(during the '92 campain) that the most recent album she'd purchased
>> >was a CD of Europe '72.
>> >
>> >
>> She also was the driving force behind the PMRC, the group that
initiated
>> the "Parental Advisory" stickering of recorded music, to "protect our
>> children" from lyrics like the ones in Wharf Rat, Loose Lucy, and
others.
>> Sticker this, Tipper.
>
>I have a feeling she was more concerned with lyrics that encourage rape
and
>murder in graphic terms, but what do I know.
the problem is, the guidelines for stickering are not so specific -
"objectionable" is in the eyes of the beholder.
"What's become of the baby?"
They've thrown it out with the bath water!
Scot age 34 look 24 act 14. -thats a j
Chris Forshay <FOR...@ceb.ucop.edu> writes:
>yeah. bruce willis used to be a bartender at the late, lamented cafe
>central at 75th & amsterdam in nyc. the fact that such a talent-challenged
>individual has achieved such fame & fortune (not to mention demi moore) is a
>damning indictment of american society & culture.
Life ain't fair but what are you going to do?
Michael Barnett
Bobby Brady from the Brady Bunch. Sorry, can't recall his real name right
now. Also, the younger brother on that show with Kirk Cameron used to wear
Dead T-Dies on the show towards the end of the run. Can't remember his
name or the name of the show right now either.
I watch WAY too much T.V.!
Grant Evans
>>Also a past or perhaps current govener of New Jersey was a
Deadhead.
Unfortunately I can't recall his name.<<
William Weld, Replublican Governor of Massachusetts (current)
admitted Deadhead. As is Sen. Patrick Leahy (D) of Vermont.
Deadheadism knows no party lines!
gfe
--
Grant Evans
The Garfield Group -- Marketing Communications
609/396-0946
gf...@aol.com -- 73501...@compuserve.com --
Brian
I have a nice copy of 11/5/85 Centrum in Worcester MA
where to open the second set the band sings "Happy Birthday" to Bill Walton.
Also
Those of you who where there, may also remember during the encore of Brokedown
a young lady came out of the crowd draped a shawl over Jerry's shoulders and
I believe jumped back into the crowd. Jerry just raised his eyebrows gave one of
his little smiles and kept playing after flicking the shawl away from his
guitar.
That's want caused the crowd to yell and clap during the song for
those of you who have AUDs of this show.
Brian - who does not condone such actions - the shawl that is!
MARC SCHAEFFER
Grant Evans <73501...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
(Note - it was uncertain from the post whether this is an attribution from
someone else's post or Grant himself).
|Also a past or perhaps current govener of New Jersey was a
|Deadhead.
|Unfortunately I can't recall his name.
The current governor is Christine Todd Whitman. Immediate past governor was
Jim Florio. Prior to that, Thomas Kean. Prior to that I think Brendan Byrne.
I have a hard time imagining any of them as deadheads, but from that list, the
least unlikely, IMHO, is Florio.
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Scot age 34 look 24 act 14. -thats a j
"Matthew S. Cramer" <ma...@main.cpcnet.com> writes:
>> She also was the driving force behind the PMRC, the group that initiated
>> the "Parental Advisory" stickering of recorded music, to "protect our
>> children" from lyrics like the ones in Wharf Rat, Loose Lucy, and others.
>> Sticker this, Tipper.
see anything wrong with labeling something that may contain something which
may not be suitable for children. Labeling IS NOT CENSORSHIP!!!!! No one
suggested that any of these groups not be allowed to sell their music just that
they say if there is anything that might be offensive to certain peoples
morals, ethics, or sensibilities.
I happen to love Frank Zappa, but that doesn't mean that i want my 8yo son
listening to "Dynamo Hum" or "Magdelena". That is not censorship, that is
excersizing parental responsibility. You can debate if Tipper and the PMRC
handled the issue in the right way, but what ever it was, it was naot censorship
IMNSHO
Scot Castle
Sco...@delphi.com
Heather C-H.
Scot age 34 look 24 act 14. -thats a j <sco...@delphi.com> wrote:
Labeling IS NOT CENSORSHIP!!!!! No one
>suggested that any of these groups not be allowed to sell their music just that
>they say if there is anything that might be offensive to certain peoples
>morals, ethics, or sensibilities.
>I happen to love Frank Zappa, but that doesn't mean that i want my 8yo son
>listening to "Dynamo Hum" or "Magdelena". That is not censorship, that is
>excersizing parental responsibility. You can debate if Tipper and the PMRC
>handled the issue in the right way, but what ever it was, it was naot censorship
>IMNSHO
>Scot Castle
>Sco...@delphi.com
Are you so spineless that you need Tipper to make your decisions for you?
If you don't want your kid to experience something, you're exactly right,
it is PARENTAL responsibility to keep them from doing it. That means,
parents examine the cd in question, then decide if their kids listen to
it. Tipper ain't my mommy, and I don't want her telling me what I can and
cannot let my kids do (if I had any). I bet you were also in favor of
the Decency Act...good thing the Supreme Court wasn't :)
H.
Eric Dorman
In article <4pugtb$8...@news3.digex.net>,
Okay, you know what "PARENTAL" means. Now try looking up "ADVISORY". My
Oxford dictionary says is means "a.giving advice; consisting in giving
advice. b. A statement giving advice or information." It does not say "making
a decision for someone". The stickers simply tell parents which CD's are in
question.
-Eric
Heather C-H.
It's too scary for me to even take a step in that direction. It's just
one step closer to censorship, IMO. The words "parental advisory" are
carefully selected rhetoric, thought out so as not to offend all of us 1st
amendment freaks--but I know how to read between the lines. Besides,
aren't I correct in saying that cd's with "parental advisory" stickers on
them cannot be sold to minors? That to me is a form of censorship. Even
if I want my 16 yr old to listen to Franl Zappa, I can't let them go out
and buy it themselves...I don't like that decision being taken away from
me.
I would like the govt to stay out of my family life, in matters concerning
how I raise my kids (barring abuse, of course), what I do with my body,
(as in abortion, right to smoke pot etc). All this means is that I want
the decision to be mine. I may still decide not to abort, or not to take
drugs, or not to let me kids listen to 2LiveCrew...but the decision would
be mine. That's what's important to me...yes, maybe the makers of cd's
should label their cd's. But I would rather see that decision made by the
individual recording studio in conjunction with the artist, not a govt
agency. I just happen to think there's more imp. stuff to spend our tax
$$$ on, y'know?
Alright, I'm done...
Happy Father's day all you daddies out there :)
H.
Scot age 34 look 24 act 14. -thats a j
"Heather C-H." <hlco...@access.digex.net> writes:
>Are you so spineless that you need Tipper to make your decisions for you?
> If you don't want your kid to experience something, you're exactly right,
>it is PARENTAL responsibility to keep them from doing it. That means,
>parents examine the cd in question, then decide if their kids listen to
>it. Tipper ain't my mommy, and I don't want her telling me what I can and
>cannot let my kids do (if I had any). I bet you were also in favor of
>the Decency Act...good thing the Supreme Court wasn't :)
but in the grand scheme of things it just doesn't seem like such a big issue
to me anymore. I don't let ANYBODY make decsions about how I raise my son.
I am the one who decides what is appropriate subject matter for him to view.
PERIOD(alright my wife is involved in the decsions too) A label is a WARNING
(like on the side of a pack of Cigarettes) that something MAY not be appropriate
for children. I consider myself to be an enlightened, open-minded person who
is aware of social issues and can explain things to my son in a manner that
will allow him to grow up to be a caring, productive adult. I can only do this
if I can control how certain subject matter is presented to him. There are lots
of people who aren't enlightened or who because of moral or religous principles
are offended by things that might not bother you or me. I don't have a problem
with a label that tells them that they might be offended by something contained
on an album. That is all a label does, it is not censorship.
As for the CDA I am totally opposed to it. The people who say that there is
dangerous or offensive matieral on the Net and that we need to protect our
children from it ARE NOT EXCERSIZING THEIR PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY!!!!!
I don't even allow my son to use the computer with out my permission, and he
has yet to even go on-line. When he does go online it will only be with my
supervision. If all parents controlled how their children used the computer
the issue would be a moot point.
I access ALL kinds of Newsgroups(yes even some "dirty" ones) and I don't think
the Government has any business telling me how I use my account, providing that
I am not doing anything to hurt another individual or group.
When you become a parent your attitude about kids will probably change (I know
mine did) so don't be so quick to judge me because of my attitude on labeling.
Sco...@delphi.com
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
Joe Bento
ch...@mdc.net wrote:
>gov. Weld in massachusetts tried to get the state flag flown at half
>mast on the day jerry died.
>
Out here in San Francisco, all the flags WERE at half mast, plus a
tie-dye flag was flown at city hall.
-Joe
_______________________________________________________
There is a road, no simple highway
Between the dawn and the dark of night
And if you go, no one may follow
That path is for your steps alone
Hunter/Garcia
Scot age 34 look 24 act 14. -thats a j
"Heather C-H." <hlco...@access.digex.net> writes:
>It's too scary for me to even take a step in that direction. It's just
>one step closer to censorship, IMO. The words "parental advisory" are
>carefully selected rhetoric, thought out so as not to offend all of us 1st
>amendment freaks--but I know how to read between the lines. Besides,
>aren't I correct in saying that cd's with "parental advisory" stickers on
>them cannot be sold to minors? That to me is a form of censorship. Even
>if I want my 16 yr old to listen to Franl Zappa, I can't let them go out
>and buy it themselves...I don't like that decision being taken away from
>me.
view or participate in unless their parents approve it. I don't see how
that is censorship. Minor children may or may not have the ability to make
choices which are right for them. Looking back I realize that I did somethings
and made some decsions which were pretty stupid (I bet you did too). I turned
out alright inspite of them but that doesn't mean that I want my son to make
the same choices I did. Enforcing a law which says that people under 18 can't
buy cigarettes might have kept me from smoking at 14 (I doubt I would have
started as an adult) I am still smoking 20 years later(Quitting is easy I've
done it
at least a dozen times :^) ) Children can't buy Playboy or Penthouse, see R or
X Rated movies, drink alcohol, vote, gamble, drive until 16 or make decsions
which have legal ramifications with out an adult. This is not censorship. Most
Children don't have the life experience to make the right choices regarding
"adult activities". This is not a childs fault-it is a fact of life.
There is a quote in the bible(no I am not bible thumper, but the quote seems
apropriate) "When I was a child, I thought Like a child...." Becoming a parent
changes your entire outlook on life and how you approach it. I still do many
things that I did when I was younger, but that doesn' mean that I want my son
to do the same things and if society makes a rule that helps me raise my child
then I don't have a problem with that.
Scot
Matthew S. Cramer
Scot age 34 look 24 act 14. -thats a j wrote:
>
> "Matthew S. Cramer" <ma...@main.cpcnet.com> writes: [I did not write this - MSC]
>
> >> She also was the driving force behind the PMRC, the group that initiated
> >> the "Parental Advisory" stickering of recorded music, to "protect our
> >> children" from lyrics like the ones in Wharf Rat, Loose Lucy, and others.
> >> Sticker this, Tipper.
>
> I know that this may be an unpopular opinion but.....As a parent I don't
> see anything wrong with labeling something that may contain something which
> suggested that any of these groups not be allowed to sell their music just that
> they say if there is anything that might be offensive to certain peoples
> morals, ethics, or sensibilities.
> I happen to love Frank Zappa, but that doesn't mean that i want my 8yo son
> listening to "Dynamo Hum" or "Magdelena". That is not censorship, that is
> excersizing parental responsibility. You can debate if Tipper and the PMRC
> handled the issue in the right way, but what ever it was, it was naot censorship
> IMNSHO
> Scot Castle
> Sco...@delphi.com
For the record, I did not write anything in the above post, especially the first
paragraph. Please be careful with attributions.
Chris Forshay
in digest #802, Scot age 34 look 24 act 14. -thats a j
<sco...@delphi.com> posted:
|I know that this may be an unpopular opinion but.....As a parent I don't
|see anything wrong with labeling something that may contain something which
|may not be suitable for children. Labeling IS NOT CENSORSHIP!!!!! No one
|suggested that any of these groups not be allowed to sell their music just
|that they say if there is anything that might be offensive to certain
peoples
|morals, ethics, or sensibilities.
speaking personally as a nonparent, i couldn't disagree with you more. were
i a parent (god forbid), i would prefer to make my own decisions about
music's "suitability" for my kids, rather than allow the washington wives
(or whoever) to make that decision.
books don't get labeled, paintings don't get labeled, tv shows don't get
labeled, plays don't get labeled. movies get rated--what a great system
that turned out to be. how many r-rated movies did *you* attend without
being accompanied by an adult before you turned 17? (those of you under 17,
what are you doing here? log off right now before i tell your parents.....)
labeling is, strictly speaking, a form of censorship. some big stores won't
stock labeled product (bad for their image in yahooland). this has
financial impact on the artists; such impact tends to chill free expression.
the labeling system was designed to give parents the illusion that their
children are being protected from "unsuitability". and the best part is,
parents don't even have to listen to that godawful stuff. pmrc (or whoever)
will take do it for them! at a time when child psychologists are almost
unanimously urging greater parental involvement in their children's lives,
labeling music is a worse idea than ever.
ps the labeling system in place now is much watered down from some of the
ideas the washington wives originally bandied about. one of their early
proposals was to "sticker" product by artists who lead or led "inappropriate
lifestyles". that would just about cover my entire cd collection....
Adrian Spidle
Chris Forshay wrote:
> ps the labeling system in place now is much watered down from some of the
> ideas the washington wives originally bandied about. one of their early
> proposals was to "sticker" product by artists who lead or led "inappropriate
> lifestyles". that would just about cover my entire cd collection....
Oh man, same here. Geeze, even the Bing Crosby Christmas cd that future
in-laws provided...
Adrian
I'm gonna be a Baptist preacher so I never have to work-Son House
GaryS15
From: "Heather C-H." <hlco...@access.digex.net>:
>I would like the govt to stay out of my family life, in matters
concerning
>how I raise my kids (barring abuse, of course), what I do with my body,
>(as in abortion, right to smoke pot etc). All this means is that I want
>the decision to be mine.
<snip>
>That's what's important to me...yes, maybe the makers of cd's
>should label their cd's. But I would rather see that decision made by
>the individual recording studio in conjunction with the artist, not a
govt
>agency. I just happen to think there's more imp. stuff to spend our tax
>$$$ on, y'know?
Heather, I happen to agree with you 100%.
But, I'm curious.
Would you *also* rather see decisions on which charities to support,
the wage at which you may hire someone to paint your house, and,
say, how much money you put toward your retirement taken out of
government's scope?
Michael Z.
Okay, I think we've seen enough about Tipper, the PMRC, censorship, etc.
for a while.
Time to bring this thread back to the original subject, I think.
I noticed in the local superduper grocery food market store that Alexi
Lalas is currently featured on the Wheaties box. Lalas is a soccer star
(he was a defender on the US World Cup team, and is currently with the New
England Revolution pro team), and an avowed Deadhead.
MZ
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I can die a happy man if someone offers me an endorsement for
7-Eleven Slurpees. I live and breathe 'em. I grew up on them. To be
able to endorse them -- that would be beautiful, man, because I
love 'em and I want to spread the gospel of Slurpees.
-- Alexi Lalas (San Francisco Chronicle, 6/17/94)
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
CCSFLOWER
>Besides,
>aren't I correct in saying that cd's with "parental >advisory" stickers
on
>them cannot be sold to minors?
I work at a music store and we don't have a policy on selling parental
advisory labeled CDs to minors...Peace-
Kali
Scot age 34 look 24 act 14. -thats a j
Chris Forshay <FOR...@ceb.ucop.edu> writes:
>speaking personally as a nonparent, i couldn't disagree with you more. were
>i a parent (god forbid), i would prefer to make my own decisions about
>music's "suitability" for my kids, rather than allow the washington wives
>(or whoever) to make that decision.
does is alert me that there might be something that I want to check out before
letting them listen. I said this before and I will say it again, Becoming a
parent changes your perspective on life and those things that you think are
important.
>books don't get labeled, paintings don't get labeled, tv shows don't get
>labeled, plays don't get labeled. movies get rated--what a great system
>that turned out to be. how many r-rated movies did *you* attend without
>being accompanied by an adult before you turned 17? (those of you under 17,
>what are you doing here? log off right now before i tell your parents.....)
)and I will be surprized if my son doesn't try to do things that I don't like
(I'll probably be kind of disapointed in a ironic kind of way) The point is
that I knew what my parents expectations were, and my son knows what mine are.
I think it is healthy that a kid pushes the envelope--and is prepared to face
the consequenses(sp?) if he gets caught.
>labeling is, strictly speaking, a form of censorship. some big stores won't
>stock labeled product (bad for their image in yahooland). this has
>financial impact on the artists; such impact tends to chill free expression.
Tipper and the PMRC handled, just that I did not have aproblem with the
concept.If a business doesn't want to carry 2-live Crew because they are
offended by
the matieral,that is not censorship. It is their right to decide the image that
their business projects.
As for the part about chilling free expression, when did ANY true artistic
free expression ever come from the bible belt? LA, NY, SF, London and Paris
is where the Avante Garde, free thinking kind of art comes from- Not Iowa,
Kansas, ETC. The Internet might cha
nge this, but I doubt it.
>the labeling system was designed to give parents the illusion that their
>children are being protected from "unsuitability". and the best part is,
>parents don't even have to listen to that godawful stuff. pmrc (or whoever)
>will take do it for them! at a time when child psychologists are almost
>unanimously urging greater parental involvement in their children's lives,
>labeling music is a worse idea than ever.
ever came down Pennsylvania Ave. (That is really saying something too) but I do
think that their hearts were in the right place. At the time that the issue was
really visible I was totally against it. I also was not a parent. I consider
myself to be fairly enlightened but that doesn't mean I don't want to protect
my sons innocence(sp?) either.
>ps the labeling system in place now is much watered down from some of the
>ideas the washington wives originally bandied about. one of their early
>proposals was to "sticker" product by artists who lead or led "inappropriate
>lifestyles". that would just about cover my entire cd collection....
Mitch Gilbert
In article <michaelz-170...@suki.vip.best.com>,
mich...@zoka.com (Michael Z.) wrote:
>Okay, I think we've seen enough about Tipper, the PMRC, censorship, etc.
>for a while.
>
>Time to bring this thread back to the original subject, I think.
>
Good idea.
Let's not neglect to mention:
Francis Ford Coppolla (who brought in Mickey to do the soundtrack for Apocalypse Now)
Howard Hesseman (of WKRP in Cincinatti fame)
and
John Perry Barlow (of the Electronic Frontier Foundation)
Mitch
==============================================================
Licensed to be a troubled, gifted maker of dead people.
John Perry (007) Bond
==============================================================
Heller, Ira
ccsf...@aol.com (CCSFLOWER) wondered
|Besides, aren't I correct in saying that cd's with "parental
|advisory" stickers on them cannot be sold to minors?
No, there's no legal prohibition about selling stickered
music to minors. It's simply a "notification" although in
reality it is a thinly veiled form of censorship.
Ira.
Bill Moore
In article <B3GNcCz...@delphi.com>,
Scot age 34 look 24 act 14. -thats a j <sco...@delphi.com> wrote:
>Chris Forshay <FOR...@ceb.ucop.edu> writes:
>
>>speaking personally as a nonparent, i couldn't disagree with you more. were
>>i a parent (god forbid), i would prefer to make my own decisions about
>>music's "suitability" for my kids, rather than allow the washington wives
>>(or whoever) to make that decision.
>
>They don't make ANY decsion for me! I make my decsions.PERIOD! All a label
>does is alert me that there might be something that I want to check out before
>letting them listen. I said this before and I will say it again, Becoming a
>parent changes your perspective on life and those things that you think are
>important.
No doubt, but not necessarily for the better. A lot of parents, in their zeal
to watch out for their kids, forget that the real goal of parenting is
to help a kid learn who he or she is, and that well-intentioned but
repressive discipline can *really* screw a kid up. You know, tell them to
keep out of the road when a car's coming, but don't tie 'em to the house :-)
Bill
Heather C-H.
Actually, I was merely responding to the way I feel about the govt in my
private affairs, which I feel include the way I run my household and
maters including my own body. Privacy is a very strong issue for me--I'm
not a textualist and I feel there is definitely backup for the right to
privacy to be found within the Constitution, a document in which I
believe.
As for what charities to support--I do decide what charities to support.
As for how to distribute govt funding for charity, wow, that's a huge
question and I'm not sure how to respond...maybe if there was referendum
on what charities to give to, within local communities...never thought
about it before.
I'm in favor of minimum wage earning laws, I think govt has to exercise
certain controls over businesses to avoid exploitation of individual
workers. There are myriads of examples of how workers have been exploited
(sweatshops etc) over the years.
And finally, the govt isn't taking money out for my retirement...that's
all up to me. If you mean the joke we call Social Seciruty, well, I just
have a pretty good feeling we're not going to see any of that. It was a
good idea at the time, but I'm only 27 and by the time I get around to
collecting that it will have long been distributed to baby boomers...some
things you just can't do anything about...
Satisfy your curiousity? :)
Have a great day...hope it's not as rainy where you are...
HCH
QuinEskimo
In article <4q6b14$v...@news1.sunbelt.net>, mgil...@pdit-sc.com (Mitch
Gilbert) writes:
>John Perry Barlow (of the Electronic Frontier Foundation)
>
>
I think JPB qualifies as a non-band Dead member, doesn't he?
QuinEskimo
In article <31C5DC...@main.cpcnet.com>, "Matthew S. Cramer"
<ma...@main.cpcnet.com> writes:
>> >> She also was the driving force behind the PMRC, the group that
initiated
>> >> the "Parental Advisory" stickering of recorded music, to "protect
our
>> >> children" from lyrics like the ones in Wharf Rat, Loose Lucy, and
>others.
>> >> Sticker this, Tipper.
>For the record, I did not write anything in the above post, especially
the first
>paragraph. Please be careful with attributions.
>Matt
For the record, It was I, Dennis Quinn, who posted this top paragraph and
diverted this thread somewhat, not Matt.
I accept full responsbility, both for the opinion expressed, and the music
that five-year-old Dylan Michael Quinn listens to. I am not about to hand
either responsibility over to a goverment agency. Besides, Dylan *loves*
"Dynamo Hum"!
Furthur, I agree with MZ that this thread needs to return to discussion
closer to the subject line.
Sorry for the digression.
Peace,
Dennis
Chris Forshay
in digest #828 Scot age 34 look 24 act 14. -thats a j
<sco...@delphi.com>, in the midst of a generally well-reasoned response to
my earlier musings about music censorship, wrote:
|As for the part about chilling free expression, when did ANY true artistic
|free expression ever come from the bible belt?
uh, just about any blues/soul record ever made can be said to have "come
from the bible belt". and i dimly remember some guy named presley they
tried to censor in the fifties......
GaryS15
From: "Heather C-H." <hlco...@access.digex.net>:
>gar...@aol.com (GaryS15) wrote:
>>From: "Heather C-H." <hlco...@access.digex.net>:
>>
>>>I would like the govt to stay out of my family life, in matters
>>>concerning how I raise my kids (barring abuse, of course),
>>> what I do with my body, (as in abortion, right to smoke pot
>>> etc). All this means is that I want the decision to be mine.
>> <snip>
>>>That's what's important to me...yes, maybe the makers of cd's
>>>should label their cd's. But I would rather see that decision made
>>>by the individual recording studio in conjunction with the artist,
>>>not a govt agency. I just happen to think there's more imp.
>>> stuff to spend our tax $$$ on, y'know?
>>
>>Heather, I happen to agree with you 100%.
>>
>>But, I'm curious.
>>
>>Would you *also* rather see decisions on which charities to support,
>>the wage at which you may hire someone to paint your house, and,
>>say, how much money you put toward your retirement taken out
>>of government's scope?
>Actually, I was merely responding to the way I feel about the govt in
>my private affairs, which I feel include the way I run my household
>and matters including my own body. Privacy is a very strong issue
Understood. And I share your passion for privacy issues. But,
isn't the question of how one dispenses one's resources, or
where people allocate the fruits of their labor *also* a "private
manner"?
>As for what charities to support--I do decide what charities to support.
Well, not entirely. And not to the extent you could. I mean, as a U.S.
citizen, somewhere around 50% of your earnings are taken from you
by threat of force, and re-distributed by government officials to
various "charities", such as corporate welfare, people welfare,
Medicare, grants, endowments to funds the arts, and literally
thousands of other special interests. You know, *charities*.
And, say, a mother whose child is afflicted with some disease
isn't able to make the decision to donate all that she wants to a
group doing research to cure that disease, because she has 50%
of her earnings *taken* from her to fund the charities that *others*
deem more vital. Her decision is made *for* her.
Sort of like how labeling decisions would be made *for* artists/
recording studios/parents.
>As for how to distribute govt funding for charity, wow, that's a huge
>question and I'm not sure how to respond...maybe if there was
>referendum on what charities to give to, within local communities...
Or maybe left to individuals and heads of households?
>I'm in favor of minimum wage earning laws, I think govt has to
>exercise certain controls over businesses to avoid exploitation of
>individual workers. There are myriads of examples of how workers
>have been exploited (sweatshops etc) over the years.
Interesting to me that you endorse controls over businesses in
the area of cost management but not in the area of labeling CDs.
It seems like your assessment that artists/parents be allowed
to make decisions regarding music commerce doesn't translate -
and, to me, it should - to individual workers being given the
power to decide who they wish to work for, and for how much.
And, as a consumer, how would YOU like it if the govt set the
minimum price that a company could charge you for a given
item?
>And finally, the govt isn't taking money out for my retirement...
They sure claim to. Wouldn't you prefer they drop the pretense?
>that's all up to me.
You got that right.
>If you mean the joke we call Social Seciruty, well, I just
>have a pretty good feeling we're not going to see any of that.
I'd go with that feeling. :)
>...some things you just can't do anything about...
You *always* give up this easily?
>Satisfy your curiousity? :)
Sure did, thank you. :)
Don't mind me. I just find it puzzling when some extol the virtues of
personal liberty, while turning a blind eye toward that of the economic
variety.
>Have a great day...hope it's not as rainy where you are...
In NY, it comes and goes...
Gary
Heather C-H.
gar...@aol.com (GaryS15) wrote:
>>I'm in favor of minimum wage earning laws, I think govt has to
>>exercise certain controls over businesses to avoid exploitation of
>>individual workers. There are myriads of examples of how workers
>>have been exploited (sweatshops etc) over the years.
>
>Interesting to me that you endorse controls over businesses in
>the area of cost management but not in the area of labeling CDs.
Well, I feel that labeling cd's is a control being exercised over the
freedom of the artist to say anything they want, and isn't really
comparable to minimum wage laws, set in place to protect the individual.
Apples and oranges...
>>If you mean the joke we call Social Seciruty, well, I just
>>have a pretty good feeling we're not going to see any of that.
>
>I'd go with that feeling. :)
>
>>...some things you just can't do anything about...
>
>You *always* give up this easily?
Enough already!!! The moderator has spoken, and I must no longer risk his
wrath by continuing this debate in this forum (e-mail me though, if ya
want, I never give up as long as it's interesting). LISTEN TO THE
MODERATOR...
Later!!
H.
:)
Mitch Gilbert
In article <4q93um$h...@news4.digex.net>,
"Heather C-H." <hlco...@access.digex.net> wrote:
>gar...@aol.com (GaryS15) wrote:
>>From: "Heather C-H." <hlco...@access.digex.net>:
>>
>>>I would like the govt to stay out of my family life, in matters
>>concerning
>>>how I raise my kids (barring abuse, of course), what I do with my body,
>>>(as in abortion, right to smoke pot etc). All this means is that I want
>>>the decision to be mine.
>> <snip>
>>>That's what's important to me...yes, maybe the makers of cd's
>>>should label their cd's. But I would rather see that decision made by
>>>the individual recording studio in conjunction with the artist, not a
>>govt
>>>agency. I just happen to think there's more imp. stuff to spend our tax
>>>$$$ on, y'know?
>>
>>Heather, I happen to agree with you 100%.
>>
>>But, I'm curious.
>>
>>Would you *also* rather see decisions on which charities to support,
>>the wage at which you may hire someone to paint your house, and,
>>say, how much money you put toward your retirement taken out of
>>government's scope?
>
>Actually, I was merely responding to the way I feel about the govt in my
>private affairs, which I feel include the way I run my household and
>not a textualist and I feel there is definitely backup for the right to
>privacy to be found within the Constitution, a document in which I
>believe.
>
Hey Heather, be glad you don't live in South Carolina - the state that has
legislated the way it's citizens can have their hamburgers cooked in public
servicing restaurants!!!!
Mitch
Scot age 34 look 24 act 14. -thats a j
Bill Moore <bil...@nyx10.cs.du.edu> writes:
>>They don't make ANY decsion for me! I make my decsions.PERIOD! All a label
>>does is alert me that there might be something that I want to check out before
>>letting them listen. I said this before and I will say it again, Becoming a
>>parent changes your perspective on life and those things that you think are
>>important.
>
>No doubt, but not necessarily for the better. A lot of parents, in their zeal
>to watch out for their kids, forget that the real goal of parenting is
>to help a kid learn who he or she is, and that well-intentioned but
>repressive discipline can *really* screw a kid up. You know, tell them to
>keep out of the road when a car's coming, but don't tie 'em to the house :-)
are screwing up their kids by repressing their individuality and creativity.
It is a real fine line that you walk and it is sometimes hard to figure out
where giving space and freedom ends and being overprotective begins. I think
that most parents have a hard time remembering what it is like to be a kid
(especially a teenager) and trying to find out exactly who you are and what
yourplace in the world is. I know that I find myself sounding like my father
ALOT
more than I would care to(something that I swore I would never do) Fortunately
for me I have a very right, perceptive son (albeit hyper and frustrating)
and when I get mad at him and ask him if he knows why I am angry he responds
"Because you love me and you want me to grow up to be a good person"
(He is doing just that too) I guess that means that we are doing alright in the
parenting dept. Being a parent is a 7-24-365 job and sometimes it really takes
it out of you but the payoff comes when you see
that kind of understanding
coming from them. I wish that more parents understood this but there are lots
of people who don't get it.
Scot
35 and still trying to figure out what I am going to be when I grow up :)
Michael Z.
Scot age 34 look 24 act 14. -thats a j <sco...@delphi.com> wrote:
<snippity doo dah>
> Scot
> 35 and still trying to figure out what I am going to be when I grow up :)
Hey, Scot, isn't it time to change your "screen name," or whatever the
hell you kids call it?
MZ
--------...@zoka.com----
Michael Zelner
----Oakland CA USA------------
Scot age 34 look 24 act 14. -thats a j
Chris Forshay <FOR...@ceb.ucop.edu> writes:
>uh, just about any blues/soul record ever made can be said to have "come
>from the bible belt". and i dimly remember some guy named presley they
>tried to censor in the fifties......
Scot
Jay Grady
Chris Forshay wrote:
>
> in digest #828 Scot age 34 look 24 act 14. -thats a j
> <sco...@delphi.com>, in the midst of a generally well-reasoned response to
> my earlier musings about music censorship, wrote:
>
> |As for the part about chilling free expression, when did ANY true artistic
> |free expression ever come from the bible belt?
>
> from the bible belt". and i dimly remember some guy named presley they
> tried to censor in the fifties......
Wasn't there some other band.... now lemmmee see.. oh yeah..!! The Allman Brothers.
Were't they from the south? Is Georgia even considered part of the bible belt?
Scot age 34 look 24 act 14. -thats a j
"Heather C-H." <hlco...@access.digex.net> writes:
>Well, I feel that labeling cd's is a control being exercised over the
>freedom of the artist to say anything they want, and isn't really
>comparable to minimum wage laws, set in place to protect the individual.
>Apples and oranges...
does is say what is contained with in it, nothing more, nothing less.
>
Scot
Scot age 34 look 24 act 14. -thats a j
Michael Z. <mich...@zoka.com> writes:
>Scot age 34 look 24 act 14. -thats a j <sco...@delphi.com> wrote:
><snippity doo dah>
>
>> Scot
>> 35 and still trying to figure out what I am going to be when I grow up :)
>
>Hey, Scot, isn't it time to change your "screen name," or whatever the
>hell you kids call it?
Scot
scot352-d...@gensler.com
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Michael Z. <mich...@zoka.com> writes:
>Scot age 34 look 24 act 14. -thats a j <sco...@delphi.com> wrote:
><snippity doo dah>
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>> Scot
>> 35 and still trying to figure out what I am going to be when I grow up :)
>
>Hey, Scot, isn't it time to change your "screen name," or whatever the
>hell you kids call it?
Nah.....I am going to be like Jack Benny, 34 forever :)
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