MIckey Sucks!
Ned Hosey
I love the Dead but the shit that Mickey Hart does sucks. I saw him at
the further on Montage mountain and he blew. It was a 60 min drums
Highlighted w/ Jorma butchering Jerry's guitar licks and Mickey Rapping
(yes Rapping) Fire On The Mountain. If I had a rock I would have thrown
it at him.
So for all of you "Dead Heads" who are coming down on the Black Crowes
and Bobby when he does Jerry's tunes stop and thank the gods that they
arn't Rapping Fire on the mountain.
my .02
Ned
Michael Weiss
Before you start ripping on the rap- get your facts strait. I believe
(and others should make sure I right), that the original tune was rapped
and I have a very early tape to prove it. I'm sorry you didn't like it.
MW
Larry Finkelstein
On Fri, 18 Jul 1997 23:46:40 -0400, Ned Hosey <dre...@epix.net>
wrote:
>I love the Dead but the shit that Mickey Hart does sucks. I saw him at
>the further on Montage mountain and he blew. It was a 60 min drums
>Highlighted w/ Jorma butchering Jerry's guitar licks and Mickey Rapping
>(yes Rapping) Fire On The Mountain. If I had a rock I would have thrown
>it at him.
>
Yeah it's more or less the same rap he did back in 1969.
If you don't like some of the music, it's a good time to make a run
for the bathroom. I happened to think that Mickey was the highlight
of Further '96 and he's the main reason I'm traveling with three
friends to catch the Fest this year.
I have been at concerts where rocks, beer bottles, lit cigarettes etc
brought a show to a stop. Frankly it wasn't fun. Even if I don't
like a band, I try to respect the people there who might. I was at a
Rush show where Geddy Lee took a beer bottle in the head. Fortunately
he was able to come back and finish the show.
Making threats, no matter how far fetch you think they are, may be a
very bad idea. If you want to express you opinion, good or bad, speak
up. But perhaps threats of physical harm are a bit out of line.
--Peace,
---Larry
Michael Turner
Ned Hosey <dre...@epix.net> wrote:
>I love the Dead but the shit that Mickey Hart does sucks. I saw him at
>the further on Montage mountain and he blew. It was a 60 min drums
>Highlighted w/ Jorma butchering Jerry's guitar licks and Mickey Rapping
>(yes Rapping) Fire On The Mountain. If I had a rock I would have thrown
>it at him.
And if you did that, I hope a security guard would pistol whip you
senseless.
Jelly
In article <33D038...@epix.net>, Ned Hosey <dre...@epix.net> writes
>I love the Dead but the shit that Mickey Hart does sucks. I saw him at
>the further on Montage mountain and he blew. It was a 60 min drums
>Highlighted w/ Jorma butchering Jerry's guitar licks and Mickey Rapping
>(yes Rapping) Fire On The Mountain. If I had a rock I would have thrown
>it at him.
So, have you always been such an erudite critic, or did you have
to go somewhere and study for several years?
>
>So for all of you "Dead Heads" who are coming down on the Black Crowes
>and Bobby when he does Jerry's tunes stop and thank the gods that they
>arn't Rapping Fire on the mountain.
>
Whilst I'm thanking the gods, I shall remember that old Family
Dog slogan, "May the baby Jesus shut your mouth and open your mind."
Actually either one of the two would be a start.
Jelly.
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Your Name
I'm with you Larry. The idea of throwing something at someone is a bit
off from the conciousness they are trying to generate at further
festivals!! I also happen to think Planet Drum was great. I danced my
head off and had a big grin on my face!! FOTM started out as a rap way
back whan, and although I would give anything to hear it done once more
by the Dead, it is O.K. with me iof Mickey feels like doing it. I enjoy
watching the boys have a good time.
namaste,
Cathy
dferrera
MICKEY FOR EVER.
that's what I say. there were so many shows when the band was fucking
listless and who was it that carried the I-RIE vibe? Micky Hart was the
magician for the band; totally perceptive duos with Jerry.
so what if he has a big ego? He who is without sin, cast the first....
whoop, wait a minute. You already had that impulse. deek.
df
jeff tiedrich
In article <33D256...@igc.apc.org>, dferrera <dfer...@igc.apc.org> wrote:
< snip >
> Micky Hart was the
> magician for the band; totally perceptive duos with Jerry.
< snip >
Please cite one "totally perceptive duo with Jerry."
(Not that I'm slamming Hart, I just think you're being -far- too generous
with your praise.)
.tiedrich
--
je...@tiedrich.com - http://www.tiedrich.com/ "Get your nose out of
see the Resources For Tape Traders web tiedrich's ass -- he's
page at http://www.tiedrich.com/tapelist/ a jerk!" -- anonymous
dferrera
Well, obviously I'm no scholar, but the Frost shows stand out for me.
Inside the 4/30/88 Black Peter, for instance. That is one example of
the playful and rich communication which Jerry and Micky had a _lot_ of.
Come on, Jeff, am I making this up? How often did you see Jerry facing
Micky just trading licks and smiling? They had it going on.
One more thing about Hart: He didn't like to put up with Weir's shit,
and I respect that. I'll never forget the show in Oakland (again, no
scholar so no date) but the Dead was just searing, searing through
Playin/UJB/reprise/Morning Dew and the whole crowd was so poised for
something awesome from Bob and he strummed the Sugar Mag and Hart just
looked at him with disgust and then hung his head and wouldn't play. As
I recall only Billy played with Weir for the first 12 bars or so.. it was
such a disaster. Then Jerry and Phil and Brent joined in, but Hart
wouldn't play. Just sat there with his head hung, for the first few
minutes. That was his deadication to the fans, IMHO. He was aware of
the energy, and honored it.
He didn't play a beat until the song was
Brian I Troy
Hey Ned-
What kind of a show do you put on? If Mickey and Jorma sucked so
bad, maybe we
can all come see you instead. Schlob Dode!
On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, Ned Hosey wrote:
> I love the Dead but the shit that Mickey Hart does sucks. I saw him at
> the further on Montage mountain and he blew. It was a 60 min drums
> Highlighted w/ Jorma butchering Jerry's guitar licks and Mickey Rapping
> (yes Rapping) Fire On The Mountain. If I had a rock I would have thrown
> it at him.
>
> So for all of you "Dead Heads" who are coming down on the Black Crowes
> and Bobby when he does Jerry's tunes stop and thank the gods that they
> arn't Rapping Fire on the mountain.
>
> my .02
>
> Ned
>
>
Balky
On Fri, 18 Jul 1997 23:46:40 -0400, Ned Hosey <dre...@epix.net> wrote:
>I love the Dead but the shit that Mickey Hart does sucks. I saw him at
>the further on Montage mountain and he blew. It was a 60 min drums
>Highlighted w/ Jorma butchering Jerry's guitar licks and Mickey Rapping
>(yes Rapping) Fire On The Mountain. If I had a rock I would have thrown
>it at him.
>
>So for all of you "Dead Heads" who are coming down on the Black Crowes
>and Bobby when he does Jerry's tunes stop and thank the gods that they
>arn't Rapping Fire on the mountain.
>
>my .02
>
>Ned
GRAND MASTER FLASH, MC HAMMER AND MICKEY HART
Shoreline Amp, July 30,1997 opening for PHISH
John Christopher Little
>>So for all of you "Dead Heads" who are coming down on the Black Crowes
>>and Bobby when he does Jerry's tunes stop and thank the gods that they
>>arn't Rapping Fire on the mountain.
>>
>>my .02
>>
>>Ned
>
>GRAND MASTER FLASH, MC HAMMER AND MICKEY HART
>Shoreline Amp, July 30,1997 opening for PHISH
>
It is pretty sad after 35 dead shows the only Fire on the Mountain
I've ever been to was one where it was being rapped (the first one in
Atlanta last year). I must say it did suck - the background singers
were kinda cool, what will MC Mickey rap to next:
Walk - Me - Out - In - The - Morning - Dew - Ho...
Rob Linxweiler
In article <33D038...@epix.net>, Ned Hosey <dre...@epix.net> wrote:
>I love the Dead but the shit that Mickey Hart does sucks. I saw him at
>the further on Montage mountain and he blew. It was a 60 min drums
>Highlighted w/ Jorma butchering Jerry's guitar licks and Mickey Rapping
>(yes Rapping) Fire On The Mountain. If I had a rock I would have thrown
>it at him.
Just to set you straight there, Bud, Mickey co-wrote FOTM. He can play
it any way he pleases. And Jorma doesn't play Jerry's guitar licks, he
plays Jorma's guitar licks. And he does it quite magnificently.
Go get yourself a copy of Diga Rhythm Band's album, and listen to
Happiness is Drumming. It might sound familiar, because it's a proto-Fire
on the Mountain, with Jerry sitting in on guitar. If you still aren't
gettin' it, then God help you.
--
Rob Linxweiler
rob...@mcs.com
mat...@wizvax.net
Mr. Little,
Thanks for this morsel of chum, I must bite:
by blurting:
>It is pretty sad after 35 dead shows the only Fire on the Mountain
>I've ever been to was one where it was being rapped
what do you therefore desire from this forum? You appear to be
wallowing in your own pathetic misery.
Have you seen Planet Drum's version of FOTM this summer??? If so, do
you think that it sucked??? It seemed fairly rap-like to me and I
really appreciated it. What do you find so offensive about the rap
version?
sincerely,
Matt
John Christopher Little
I just thought Mickey was a shitty rapper and I didn't like the
version. At the show I was at I definitely wasn't the only one.
Let's see how many better rappers have I heard than Mickey:
Public Enemy
Run DMC
Beastie Boys
Too Short
NWA
Eazy-E
Dr. Dre
Kool Moe Dee
Wu Tang Klan
Sugar Hill Gang
Tupac
Puff Daddy
Notorious BIG
and on and on (I'll stop short of 2 Live Crew)
What I'm getting at here is that it wasn't good by my rap standards or
by the FOTMs I've heard it was the worst. So by those standards I was
dissapointed. I'm glad you liked it - if you like I'll find you a
tape of the Atlanta show I was at and you can send me all your
Scarlet/Fire's from when Jerry was singing it.
By the way "wallowing in your own pathetic misery" - give me a break
one comment is not wallowing in pathetic misery. I'm with Ned (whom
you quoted below) on this issue. So lighten up Francis.
Ed Bick
Well, I'll tell you. I have Diga, and I still don't care for the "new"
FOTM. But....I respect Mickey's right to do his thing.
Rob Linxweiler <rob...@MCS.COM> wrote in article
<5r0765$ofm$1...@Mars.mcs.net>...
HelenBuckt
cli...@mindspring.com (John Christopher Little) writes:
>I just thought Mickey was a shitty rapper and I didn't like the
>version. At the show I was at I definitely wasn't the only one.
>Let's see how many better rappers have I heard than Mickey:
>
<Rap All-Star Team snipped>
Gee, I've never really thought Mickey's vocalizing could be termed "rap".
God, it never even occurred to me. I sort of likened his vocal style to
that of Lou Reed, or a couple of other folks who don't really sing, but
whose names escape me at the moment.
Sure, if you compare Mickey's stuff to the best rappers, it doesn't hold
up, but frankly I don't think he's rapping per se. To me, it appears to
be something a bit different.
My guess is that he chose the form of vocalizing he uses because he
figured we'd REALLY complain if we heard him sing.
On a different note, for all of us who seem to be unable to stomach any of
the Furthur acts which contain ex-members of the Dead, I propose this:
why don't we petition the Dead to continue the Furthur Festival, but
without any of the original bandmembers' involvement? Wouldn't that be
fun?
helen
John R. Hanson
In <Pine.GSO.3.95.970723...@kimbark.uchicago.edu>
Chris Barnes <caba...@midway.uchicago.edu> writes:
>> There are a few drummers that sing. There are a lot more
that
>> don't. Maybe that says something. And of the first four singing
drummers
>> that spring to mind, two were originally guitarists (Skip Spence,
Dave
>> Grohl), one did pretty well (Phil Collins) and one has hardly set
the
>> world on fire (Joey Covington). What this means of course is open to
>> interpretation.
Karen Carpenter and Levon Helms - did they dig each other?
Jelly
In article <19970723045...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, HelenBuckt
<helen...@aol.com> writes
> cli...@mindspring.com (John Christopher Little) writes:
>>I just thought Mickey was a shitty rapper and I didn't like the
>>version. At the show I was at I definitely wasn't the only one.
>>Let's see how many better rappers have I heard than Mickey:
>>
>
><Rap All-Star Team snipped>
>
>Gee, I've never really thought Mickey's vocalizing could be termed "rap".
>God, it never even occurred to me. I sort of likened his vocal style to
>that of Lou Reed, or a couple of other folks who don't really sing, but
>whose names escape me at the moment.
Lee Marvin? Laughing Lenny Cohen?
> Sure, if you compare Mickey's stuff to the best rappers, it doesn't hold
>up, but frankly I don't think he's rapping per se. To me, it appears to
>be something a bit different.
Hmm, sort of a proto-rap, like say Lou Rawls or, dare one say,
Pigpen?
>My guess is that he chose the form of vocalizing he uses because he
>figured we'd REALLY complain if we heard him sing.
>
There are a few drummers that sing. There are a lot more that
don't. Maybe that says something. And of the first four singing drummers
that spring to mind, two were originally guitarists (Skip Spence, Dave
Grohl), one did pretty well (Phil Collins) and one has hardly set the
world on fire (Joey Covington). What this means of course is open to
interpretation.
Jelly.
Chris Barnes
<snip>
i think we're forgetting one mr. buddy miles who sings and drums and kicks
ass. check out his voice on 'who knows' from band of gypsys. he's
something else!
peace,
chris
(ODC) i don't know what to call mickey's style. but i liked it.
Nicolas Colovos
Hey now,
If is wasn't for Mickey you would never have FOTM, since Mickey did write
that song with Hunter. Also Mickey did that song rap style in the late
60's. One last thing Planet Drum this year blew away Mickey's disco come
back last year the Mystery Box. As for the Crowes, Its a good time to
check out Shakedown Street and take a whizz.
Ned Hosey <dre...@epix.net> wrote in article <33D038...@epix.net>...
> I love the Dead but the shit that Mickey Hart does sucks. I saw him at
> the further on Montage mountain and he blew. It was a 60 min drums
> Highlighted w/ Jorma butchering Jerry's guitar licks and Mickey Rapping
> (yes Rapping) Fire On The Mountain. If I had a rock I would have thrown
> it at him.
>
Andy Roberts
> On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, Ned Hosey wrote:
> > Highlighted w/ Jorma butchering Jerry's guitar licks and Mickey Rapping
> > (yes Rapping) Fire On The Mountain. If I had a rock I would have thrown
> > it at him.
Mickey was repping FOTM before rap was rap, jack.
--
************
Blind folks do it with feeling.
Andy Roberts
ro...@mhv.net
do not forget levon helm of the band
Andrew Quirke
I think you're being a little extreme
about this whole thing. I agree that
the performance of Fire on the Mountain
wasn't very good, but you shouldn't go
on with it as you are.
Peace,
Andrew
Ned Hosey <dre...@epix.net> wrote in article <33D038...@epix.net>...
> I love the Dead but the shit that Mickey Hart does sucks. I saw him at
> the further on Montage mountain and he blew. It was a 60 min drums
> Highlighted w/ Jorma butchering Jerry's guitar licks and Mickey Rapping
> (yes Rapping) Fire On The Mountain. If I had a rock I would have thrown
> it at him.
>
Chris Glushko
Mickey Hart caused me to become violently angry against the entire
Grateful Dead organization at Camden. At Forest Hills, I walked around
the vending during his set and found myself much happier.
Chris
GD62091
> At Forest Hills, I walked around
>the vending during his set and found myself much happier.
>
>Chris
>
Well, merry christmas to you and your kin.
Peace,
Bill
Brian I Troy
Was that Ned or Zed?
On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, Ned Hosey wrote:
Johnny
Simple solution to your plight.....STAY HOME!!!
I mean, if you can't appreciate Mickey or Jorma........sheesh!!!
Go get some guns & roses tix, will ya. I'm pretty sure throwing rocks is
acceptable behavior *there* - NOT HERE BUDDY!!!
BTW, Mickey 1st recorded Fire on the Mountain back in '72 and if you
listen, he does, what you call *rap* (which sounds to me like a bigoted
remark) the song. Yes, the original version, on *Area Code 415* an
unreleased collection of tunes from what are known as Mickey's Barn
series, including *Barry Melton* and *Fire on the Mountain* which, yes,
also includes one of the earlier versions of Mickey performing what
apparently is one of his favorite tunes (see *Happiness is Drumming* on
Diga).
There's a thin line beyond which you really can't fake!
GKIcculus
>Mickey Hart caused me to become violently angry against the entire
>the vending during his set and found myself much happier.
>
>Chris
>
>
>
Then don't go. He doesn't play to be criticized.
Joe
John Christopher Little
Do people make music to be criticizied?
Do people make movies to be criticized?
Do people act/sing in plays to be criticized?
Do people have art gallery exchibitions to be criticized?
At least the person didn't want to through a rock at Mickey (like
someone else did). I for one think anyone can be a critic, its up to
you whether to listen. How would you find out about anything without
either seeing it yourself or getting a review from another party?
chris
p.s. I did not write this to be criticized :)
Melissa & Christian Richart
> Brian I Troy <bit...@polymail.calpoly.edu> wrote in article
<Pine.A32.3.96.970731...@flute.aix.calpoly.edu>...
> Was that Ned or Zed?
>
> On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, Ned Hosey wrote:
>
> > I love the Dead but the shit that Mickey Hart does sucks. I saw him at
> > the further on Montage mountain and he blew. It was a 60 min drums
> > Highlighted w/ Jorma butchering Jerry's guitar licks and Mickey
Rapping
> > (yes Rapping) Fire On The Mountain. If I had a rock I would have
thrown
> > it at him.
> >
> > So for all of you "Dead Heads" who are coming down on the Black Crowes
> > and Bobby when he does Jerry's tunes stop and thank the gods that they
> > arn't Rapping Fire on the mountain.
> >
> > my .02
> >
> > Ned
> >
> >
> Yeah, yeah. All I've heard this summer is Mickey sucks, Bobby sucks,
and Furthur sucks. And then you wonder why everyone's going to go see
Phish.
Melissa>
Stuart D. Sorensen
Melissa & Christian Richart <eyes...@circle.net> wrote in article
<01bca818.779583a0$58a14fcf@default>...
>
>
> > Yeah, yeah. All I've heard this summer is Mickey sucks, Bobby sucks,
> and Furthur sucks. And then you wonder why everyone's going to go see
> Phish.
>
> Melissa>
>
Your right, they blow!
§
GD62091
> >
> Yeah, yeah. All I've heard this summer is Mickey sucks, Bobby sucks,
and Furthur sucks. And then you wonder why everyone's going to go see
Phish.
I want to be like you when I grow up.
Melissa & Christian Richart
> "Stuart D. Sorensen" <stu...@brecknet.com> wrote in article
<01bca84a$c00c2940$ac0b...@stuball.colorado.net>...
>
>
> Melissa & Christian Richart <eyes...@circle.net> wrote in article
> <01bca818.779583a0$58a14fcf@default>...
> >
> >
> > > Yeah, yeah. All I've heard this summer is Mickey sucks, Bobby
sucks,
> > and Furthur sucks. And then you wonder why everyone's going to go see
> > Phish.
> >
> > Melissa>
> >
> Your right, they blow!
> §
>
Typical response from a typical minded person.
Melissa
dferrera
You know, I'm pretty disappointed in this whole conversation.
As a newbie, I must wonder, was anybody talking about this while the band
was still performing?
Becuase, in my humble experience of 125 shows, I ALWAYS watched Mickey
closely. He is a damn magician. Mickey's energy carried the band so
often... while Weir drifted into boredom and Jerry backed up confused,
Mickey Hart smiled and rocked. How many times did you observe Hart flip
that right hand out of nowhere, or pull snare rolls into the bottom of
the music?
On a side note, and while we're at it, there is a band called I think the
Allman Bros who had two drummers once..... (now three)
what is the consensus on jaimo and butch these days? I always always
love Butch Trucks, the Billy of the South. But when I compare, Billy and
Mickey fuckin' blow 'em away as far as surprise, entertainment, and
sensitivity go.
Opinions on this comparison?
CAROLGDEAD
i agree 100%!!! about time we stop the negativity and start remembering
why we're all here in the first place - because we 'loved' the dead, and
that includes all of them.
we all have our personal favorites, and we all have members we like less
than others for whatever reasons, but this blanket dissing of individual
memebers is mean-spirited. that's not what the dead, or the 60s stood
for.
personal opinion and freedom of speech are the bedrocks of our society,
but do we have to be so nasty?
peace, love and rhythm
carol
Douger
Hey, any of you gals remember "Pop Rocks"??
(ok, so I got the August doldrums, and this is the best I could come up
with :)
......Douger (who's not surprised to read bashing about
any former member. What about this "Lesh" person??)
"We're gonna pitch a wang dang doodle, all nite long"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://www.demonsys.com/jim/d/dou...@unix.asb.com.html
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Box
Douger wrote:
>
> Hey, any of you gals remember "Pop Rocks"??
>
Cheryl
Pete Icke
sorry, couldn't resist
David A Gerstenhaber
Ya know Mikey (life cereal) died 'cause he ate some pop rocks
and then drank pepsi.
Pop rocks the great social equalizer
-Dave
Douger
David A Gerstenhaber wrote:
>
> In article <33F8F7...@epix.net>, Box wrote:
> >Douger wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey, any of you gals remember "Pop Rocks"??
> >>
> >Yup! :)
> >
> >Cheryl
>
> Ya know Mikey (life cereal) died 'cause he ate some pop rocks
> and then drank pepsi.
I never heard of the Pepsi variation......besides, she's not supposed to
actually swallow the pop rocks.....well, not right off, anyways.
......Douger (tell me if this hurts)
"Don't take much to get me off the ground""
szang...@gmail.com
mbva...@gmail.com
> I love the Dead but the shit that Mickey Hart does sucks. I saw him at
> the further on Montage mountain and he blew. It was a 60 min drums
> Highlighted w/ Jorma butchering Jerry's guitar licks and Mickey Rapping
> (yes Rapping) Fire On The Mountain. If I had a rock I would have thrown
> it at him.
>
> So for all of you "Dead Heads" who are coming down on the Black Crowes
> and Bobby when he does Jerry's tunes stop and thank the gods that they
> arn't Rapping Fire on the mountain.
>
> my .02
>
> Ned