FRAUD ALERT - BOYCOTT THE GRATEFUL GARCIA GATHERING
ML
Boy - does this sound like the early days of the David Nelson Band.
From Buddy Cage:
Here's the real story of the planned event in Thorneville, OH named
Grateful Garcia Gathering
This 'promoter', one Tim Sun Dog booked NRPS for almost a year without
ever coming up with the guarantee (deposit), then abruptly cancelled
NRPS 2 weeks ago. Also, without notice to us.
He publishes several lame reasons as to why this occurred, inferring
as well that NRPS had been the party cancelling. This was all bogus –
it is an out and out lie. He did this action when it appeared that his
ticket sales were lagging. He cancelled 2 of the highest dollar bands
on the bill – New Riders and Donna Jean & The Tricksters. By dropping
NRPS he was saving himself a 6500 dollar guarantee, ripping us off,
deceiving the public!
Last night, I was sitting here on the tour bus listening to the
conversation Tim Sun Dog was having with my Tour Mgr. after he reneged
when called by our Crew Chief to 'advance' the show. Apparently Tim
S.D. was complaining about my blogging concerning his deception (oh
well!), our Tour Mgr. told him to clean up his act, to publicly tell
the truth to the fans and public at large the truth. And to change the
billing on his advertisement of the show. To wit: Take our (NRPS) name
OFF his online flyer. He was still suggesting that we were going to
possibly appear! Fraud.
Toast gave him 2 hours to get honest, to admit fault and be truthful
to the public. At the same time and over this period of 2 weeks, Tim
S.D. has been verbally abusive to fans wanting their money back, since
it had leaked that NRPS would NOT be playing at his show on July 31.
So far, no honest retraction or apology has been witnessed by this
band.
This petty rip-off is nothing more than a cheap, two-bit swindle. And
he STILL persists perpetrating this fraud in the name of Jerry Garcia.
DON'T GO. Boycott this clown. The Garcia estate should sue this clown
for using Jerry's name in such a deception!
Buddy Cage
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http://www.mizshelysspace.blogspot.com
http://www.thenewriders.com
http://www.nelsonband.com
Richard Morris
"ML" <mary.eg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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From mizshely:
Boy - does this sound like the early days of the David Nelson Band.
From Buddy Cage:
Here's the real story of the planned event in Thorneville, OH named
Grateful Garcia Gathering
This 'promoter', one Tim Sun Dog booked NRPS for almost a year without
ever coming up with the guarantee (deposit), then abruptly cancelled
NRPS 2 weeks ago. Also, without notice to us.
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A guarantee isn't a deposit. A guarantee is what you get for actually
playing. A deposit is what you get for making the booking, and often is
against the guarantee.
So, sounds like the guys did not sign a contract at the time of the booking.
Secure the deposit, and write a penalty in for cancellation next time
around, guys. Don't they have a business manager???
As for using the band name in promotions: that is what attorneys are for.
Joker
wrote:
> "ML" <mary.egret1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
This from www.gratefulgarcia.com, the website for the festival:
"Due to unforeseen conditions, Donna Jean & the Tricksters regretfully
will not be able to perform at the 2008 Grateful Garcia Gathering. We
apologize for any inconvenience. Also, we at the GGG really want to
make it clear that New Riders of the Purple Sage very much wanted to
play the 3Gs and perform for their fans, and would have for less than
the agreed upon fees, as long as they didn’t lose money.
Unfortunately, with our financial state, it was not possible for us to
be able to cover their deposit of 50% of the guarantee. They went well
out of their way to try make this happen, but we had to make the
decision to cancel the New Riders. We're very bummed out about our
discision, but it was the right thing to do. -Tim Sundog"
Sounds like an explanation and an apology for me. In addition, nowhere
on the website or their myspace page do they claim or imply the NRPS
or Donna Jean and the Tricksters will be there. Nowhere at all. Plus,
the line-up still looks pretty solid for a small mid-west festival:
Jackie Greene
Melvin Seals and JGB, with Stu Allen
David Gans
Moonalice, featureing BARRY SLESS, PETE SEARS and Jack Cassady
Boombox (which, IIRC is the project of Donna Godcheaux's son)
I highlighted Barry Sless and Pete Sears because they certainly have
some relationship with David Nelson, if not NRPS. They don't seem to
think this is a dishonest fraud. All of those performers have some
real connection to the Grateful Dead milieu.
And a promoter "verbally abusing" fans...Bill Graham is having a good
laugh over that one somewhere, isn't he?
It's too bad NRPS couldn't be part of this, I guess. But there appears
to be more to this than mszshelly's blog lets on.
Ken Fortenberry
> ...
> From Buddy Cage:
> <one side of the story snipped>
Labeling this a "Fraud Alert" is more than just a little bit
over the top. And Buddy Cage calling it a cheap, two-bit swindle
says more about Buddy Cage than the GGG event.
My $.02 and worth every penny.
--
Ken Fortenberry
Joker
Still and all, I'd guess anyone here on rmgd would rather listen to
Buddy Cage than to you.
My $.02 and cheap at half the price.
Richard Morris
"Joker" <joke...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Well, bottom line is that the guy stiffed them their deposit ... $3,250.
Always good to get the deposit up front at the time of the booking ...
otherwise, there is no booking, eh?
R.
volkfolk
Your opinion is WAY over valued at that price.
Scot
Ken Fortenberry
> Ken Fortenberry
>> Labeling this a "Fraud Alert" is more than just a little bit
>> over the top. And Buddy Cage calling it a cheap, two-bit swindle
>> says more about Buddy Cage than the GGG event.
>>
>> My $.02 and worth every penny.
>
Yo, stupid, lying, dumb puppy, get the hell away from my ankles !
--
Ken Fortenberry
volkfolk
Fuck no. It's way too much fun watching you blow a gasket. You're way
too easy a mark to leave alone
Scot
Ken Fortenberry
> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>> volkfolk wrote:
>>> Ken Fortenberry
>>>> Labeling this a "Fraud Alert" is more than just a little bit
>>>> over the top. And Buddy Cage calling it a cheap, two-bit swindle
>>>> says more about Buddy Cage than the GGG event.
>>>> My $.02 and worth every penny.
>>> Your opinion is WAY over valued at that price.
>> Yo, stupid, lying, dumb puppy, get the hell away from my ankles !
>
> too easy a mark to leave alone
If you say so. It's no fun at all watching you blow a gasket,
all you have is foul-mouthed stupidity and lame-assed invective.
Stupid people are boring as hell.
--
Ken Fortenberry
volkfolk
<kenfortenbe...@trashameritech.net> wrote:
> volkfolk wrote:
> > Ken Fortenberry wrote:
> >> volkfolk wrote:
> >>> Ken Fortenberry
> >>>> Labeling this a "Fraud Alert" is more than just a little bit
> >>>> over the top. And Buddy Cage calling it a cheap, two-bit swindle
> >>>> says more about Buddy Cage than the GGG event.
> >>>> My $.02 and worth every penny.
> >>> Your opinion is WAY over valued at that price.
> >> Yo, stupid, lying, dumb puppy, get the hell away from my ankles !
>
> > Fuck no. It's way too much fun watching you blow a gasket. You're way
> > too easy a mark to leave alone
>
> If you say so. It's no fun at all watching you blow a gasket,
> all you have is foul-mouthed stupidity and lame-assed invective.
Whatever you say. Obviously you're far smarter than anybody else
here######
> Stupid people are boring as hell.
LOL. So why do you reply to every jab anyone makes at you? Better yet
why don't you killfile me and all of the other "ankle biters" Is it
because if you killfiled all of the "ankle biters" you wouldn't have
any posts to read?
Scot
Avant Grape
More irony meter dust.
Someone get me a dust mask please.
Can Ken really be this dumb?
-JC
Avant Grape
This is probably how Ken treats both his pet and his wife.
'Wanna-be elitist' white trash was much better in the 70's.
-JC
GemAmber
"Ken Fortenberry" <kenfort...@trashameritech.net> wrote in message
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Would this have come if anyone but Mary posted this?
Judy
Ken Fortenberry
> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>> volkfolk wrote:
>>> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>>>> volkfolk wrote:
>>>>> Ken Fortenberry
>>>>>> Labeling this a "Fraud Alert" is more than just a little bit
>>>>>> over the top. And Buddy Cage calling it a cheap, two-bit swindle
>>>>>> says more about Buddy Cage than the GGG event.
>>>>>> My $.02 and worth every penny.
>>>>> Your opinion is WAY over valued at that price.
>>>> Yo, stupid, lying, dumb puppy, get the hell away from my ankles !
>>> Fuck no. It's way too much fun watching you blow a gasket. You're way
>>> too easy a mark to leave alone
>> If you say so. It's no fun at all watching you blow a gasket,
>> all you have is foul-mouthed stupidity and lame-assed invective.
>
> Whatever you say. Obviously you're far smarter than anybody else
> here######
I wouldn't say that, but I've got belly lint that's
smarter than you.
>> Stupid people are boring as hell.
>
> LOL. So why do you reply to every jab anyone makes at you? ...
Every jab ? Anyone ? You're fact-challenged, Scot. (That's a
polite way of saying you're a liar.)
> Better yet
> why don't you killfile me and all of the other "ankle biters" Is it
> because if you killfiled all of the "ankle biters" you wouldn't have
> any posts to read?
I *have* killfiled all the ankle biters, and a shit-weasel too.
You're too damn dumb to be either.
--
Ken Fortenberry
Ken Fortenberry
> "Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
>> ML wrote:
>>> ...
>>> From Buddy Cage: <one side of the story snipped>
>> Labeling this a "Fraud Alert" is more than just a little bit
>> over the top. And Buddy Cage calling it a cheap, two-bit swindle
>> says more about Buddy Cage than the GGG event.
>>
>> My $.02 and worth every penny.
>
>
Sure. Why do you ask ?
Fraud and boycott are very strong terms and neither of them
is deserved in this case. In my never humble opinion.
--
Ken Fortenberry
GemAmber
In MY opinion, since you have assigned yourself as the list's protecter from
Mary, it's clear that's why you jumped on the subject.
Come back, Mary!!!
(Ankle-biter in training) Judy
volkfolk
C'mon JC, Ken's the smartest guy on the NG, Just ask him,
Scot
Joker
> Come back, Mary!!!
I don't get this part...
Ken Fortenberry
> "Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
>> GemAmber wrote:
>>> "Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
>>>> ML wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>> From Buddy Cage: <one side of the story snipped>
>>>> Labeling this a "Fraud Alert" is more than just a little bit
>>>> over the top. And Buddy Cage calling it a cheap, two-bit swindle
>>>> says more about Buddy Cage than the GGG event.
>>>>
>>>> My $.02 and worth every penny.
>>>
>>> Would this have come if anyone but Mary posted this?
>> Sure. Why do you ask ?
>>
>> Fraud and boycott are very strong terms and neither of them
>> is deserved in this case. In my never humble opinion.
>
> Mary, it's clear that's why you jumped on the subject.
I don't think the list needs "protection" from Mary.
Where on earth did you ever get that silly idea ?
Since you claim to see things clearly would you care
to explain why Mary decided to impugn my character in
one of the Jesse Helms threads ? It's still a mystery
to me.
> Come back, Mary!!!
You do realize, don't you Ms. Clear, that you are responding
in a thread started by Mary ?
> (Ankle-biter in training) Judy
Sigh. Fill out an application and leave it with my personal
assistant Helen Waite.
--
Ken Fortenberry
GemAmber
> GemAmber wrote:
>> "Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
>>> GemAmber wrote:
>>>> "Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
>>>>> ML wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>
> I don't think the list needs "protection" from Mary.
> Where on earth did you ever get that silly idea ?
>
> Since you claim to see things clearly would you care
> to explain why Mary decided to impugn my character in
> one of the Jesse Helms threads ? It's still a mystery
> to me.
The type of character you appear to have on this list, I don't believe she
did you any harm. Folks here make up their own minds without help, I think.
>> Come back, Mary!!!
>
> You do realize, don't you Ms. Clear, that you are responding
> in a thread started by Mary ?
Yes, I realize that. However, as she has gone from posting frequently to
almost never in direct response to you on the Jesse Helms thread, I feel
that is as good as being totally gone. Just the way I see things. She is
bright and warm and has much to add to rmgd. Whether I agree with her using
you as the reason to back off or not isn't the question (I don't), but I
miss her posts nonetheless.
>> (Ankle-biter in training) Judy
>
> Sigh. Fill out an application and leave it with my personal
> assistant Helen Waite.
I'd rather not, sorry.
Judy
Ken Fortenberry
> "Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
>> I don't think the list needs "protection" from Mary.
>> Where on earth did you ever get that silly idea ?
>>
>> Since you claim to see things clearly would you care
>> to explain why Mary decided to impugn my character in
>> one of the Jesse Helms threads ? It's still a mystery
>> to me.
>
> The type of character you appear to have on this list, I don't believe she
> did you any harm. Folks here make up their own minds without help, I think.
It has nothing to do with "harm". Mary pissed me off, I fired off
a Usenet bitch-slap, end of story. If Mary wants to make some sort
of drama out of it that's her business, not mine. And I don't see
how it's any of your business either.
--
Ken Fortenberry
DGDevin
>> believe she did you any harm. Folks here make up their own minds
>> without help, I think.
>
> It has nothing to do with "harm". Mary pissed me off, I fired off
> a Usenet bitch-slap, end of story. If Mary wants to make some sort
> of drama out of it that's her business, not mine. And I don't see
> how it's any of your business either.
Fortenberry sits in a lawn chair in the middle of the sidewalk on Main
Street yelling nasty things about people he doesn't like, and it's nobody's
business other than those he means it to be the business of. If you don't
care to witness Ken being pissed off (which seems to be nine days out of
ten) then stay the hell off Main Street.
ML
<kenfortenbe...@trashameritech.net> wrote:
> GemAmber wrote:
>> Since you claim to see things clearly would you care
> >> to explain why Mary decided to impugn my character in
> >> one of the Jesse Helms threads ? It's still a mystery
> >> to me.
>
> > The type of character you appear to have on this list, I don't believe she
> > did you any harm. Folks here make up their own minds without help, I think.
>
> It has nothing to do with "harm". Mary pissed me off, I fired off
> a Usenet bitch-slap, end of story. If Mary wants to make some sort
> of drama out of it that's her business, not mine. And I don't see
> how it's any of your business either.
Hi, Ken Fortenberry! I think anything written here
becomes everybody's business (public forum and all).
No drama, sir. The last week or so I've come to terms
with rmgd. If I hurt your feelings, I apologize.
Perhaps I was wrong in what I said or how I said it.
Don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. Again, I apologize.
Thanks, Judy, for the kind things you've said.
You're an infrequent poster, and I dig your posts too!
This particular thread, I was just passing along info from
Michelle, and Buddy Cage, that she sent me.
Ken Fortenberry
> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>> GemAmber wrote:
>>> did you any harm. Folks here make up their own minds without help, I think.
>> It has nothing to do with "harm". Mary pissed me off, I fired off
>> a Usenet bitch-slap, end of story. If Mary wants to make some sort
>> of drama out of it that's her business, not mine. And I don't see
>> how it's any of your business either.
>
> Hi, Ken Fortenberry! I think anything written here
> becomes everybody's business (public forum and all).
> No drama, sir. The last week or so I've come to terms
> with rmgd. If I hurt your feelings, I apologize.
> Perhaps I was wrong in what I said or how I said it.
> Don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. Again, I apologize.
No apologies necessary, Mary. You didn't hurt my feelings
as much as you pissed me off with your glib, off-the-cuff
character assassination from completely out of the blue.
I didn't know then, and I don't know now, what I have
ever done to you to merit such a public scolding. But
whatever, you said your piece, I responded. Apparently I
hurt your feelings and that's exactly what I meant to do.
Don't be expecting any apologies from me.
Carry on.
--
Ken Fortenberry
grunk
>
> - Show quoted text -
ML
Oooh, a secret message! Cool. Okay, Ken Fortenberry.
How's the little tyke doin'? And how are you doin'?
(Damn, I love Chuck Norris jokes!!!)
Brad Greer
Nine out of ten is pretty generous - or does he just not post every
10th day?
volkfolk
<kenfortenbe...@trashameritech.net> wrote:
> ML wrote:
> > Ken Fortenberry wrote:
> >> GemAmber wrote:
> >>> The type of character you appear to have on this list, I don't believe she
> >>> did you any harm. Folks here make up their own minds without help, I think.
> >> It has nothing to do with "harm". Mary pissed me off, I fired off
> >> a Usenet bitch-slap, end of story. If Mary wants to make some sort
> >> of drama out of it that's her business, not mine. And I don't see
> >> how it's any of your business either.
>
> > Hi, Ken Fortenberry! I think anything written here
> > becomes everybody's business (public forum and all).
> > No drama, sir. The last week or so I've come to terms
> > with rmgd. If I hurt your feelings, I apologize.
> > Perhaps I was wrong in what I said or how I said it.
> > Don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. Again, I apologize.
>
> No apologies necessary, Mary. You didn't hurt my feelings
That's because you don't have any feelings
> as much as you pissed me off with your glib, off-the-cuff
> character assassination from completely out of the blue.
Pot meet Kettle
> I didn't know then, and I don't know now, what I have
> ever done to you to merit such a public scolding. But
> whatever, you said your piece, I responded. Apparently I
> hurt your feelings and that's exactly what I meant to do.
And you call me mean spirited.
> Don't be expecting any apologies from me.
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
But you wanted an apology from me? That's fucking rich.
Scot
Joker
<kenfortenbe...@trashameritech.net> wrote:
>And I don't see
> how it's any of your business either.
>
> --
> Ken Fortenberry
Duh. Once you post here it's everyone's business who cares to read it.
Otherwise, use private email.
volkfolk
C'mon, Ken's the smartest person on usenet#######
Scot
ML
Excuse me, Scot, I don't know that I really enjoy being
called a kettle. Now pot, I admit, I do really enjoy.
volkfolk
*HEH*
Scot
DGDevin
>> Main Street yelling nasty things about people he doesn't like, and
>> it's nobody's business other than those he means it to be the
>> business of. If you don't care to witness Ken being pissed off
>> (which seems to be nine days out of ten) then stay the hell off Main
>> Street.
>
> Nine out of ten is pretty generous - or does he just not post every
> 10th day?
The 10th day is when he denies posting the things he's posted and claims
anyone who believes the evidence of their own eyes (when his posts are
quoted) is a liar. ;~)
Ken Fortenberry
> grunk <grunk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>>> No apologies necessary, Mary. You didn't hurt my feelings
>>> as much as you pissed me off with your glib, off-the-cuff
>>> character assassination from completely out of the blue.
>>> I didn't know then, and I don't know now, what I have
>>> ever done to you to merit such a public scolding. But
>>> whatever, you said your piece, I responded. Apparently I
>>> hurt your feelings and that's exactly what I meant to do.
>>> Don't be expecting any apologies from me.
>>> Carry on.
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Oooh, a secret message! Cool. Okay, Ken Fortenberry.
> How's the little tyke doin'? And how are you doin'?
> (Damn, I love Chuck Norris jokes!!!)
The Chuck Noris (sp) non-joke was courtesy of the anonymous
poster calling itself "grunk". If there is a secret message
contained in that post I sure as hell don't know what it is.
I'm doing fine, and thanks for asking.
--
Ken Fortenberry
grunk
>
> - Show quoted text -
Liar!
ML
As Bobby "Blue" Bland said, If being glib is wrong, I don't want to be
right.
Ken Fortenberry
>>>>> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>>>>>> No apologies necessary, Mary. You didn't hurt my feelings
>>>>>> as much as you pissed me off with your glib, off-the-cuff
>>>>>> character assassination from completely out of the blue.
>>>>>> I didn't know then, and I don't know now, what I have
>>>>>> ever done to you to merit such a public scolding. But
>>>>>> whatever, you said your piece, I responded. Apparently I
>>>>>> hurt your feelings and that's exactly what I meant to do.
>>>>>> Don't be expecting any apologies from me.
>>>>>> Carry on.
>
> right."
Don't worry, you weren't.
--
Ken Fortenberry
ML
<kenfortenbe...@trashameritech.net> wrote:
> ML wrote:
>
> > Bobby "Blue" Bland said, "If being glib is wrong, I don't want to be
> > right."
>
> Don't worry, you weren't.
>
> --
> Ken Fortenberry
I know, Mr. Fortenberry. BBB, Percy Sledge, Ramsey Lewis, Isaac Hayes
and Luther Ingram all agree with me, though.
Ken Fortenberry
> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>> ML wrote:
>>> Bobby "Blue" Bland said, "If being glib is wrong, I don't want to be
>>> right."
>> Don't worry, you weren't.
>
> and Luther Ingram all agree with me, though.
--
Ken Fortenberry
LP
He would make an interesting case for a psychological study. They may
even name a new syndrome after him.
"This new patient shows all the signs of suffering from Fortenberry
Syndrome - get the strait jacket and thorazine ready - STAT!"
LP