Morgan Lancer R I P (see inside)
Uncle John
Hartford, Connecticut (Ratdog / Allman Brothers Band) and succumbed to
her injuries shortly after.
Any help to defray costs associating with this tragic and untimely
accident would be greatly appreciated.
Please help if you can.
Thanks in advance for your love and support.
http://www.gdradio.net/for_morgan.htm
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simi...@gmail.com
> On Aug 22, 2:00 pm, Uncle John <gdra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On August 20th, our dear sister Morgan Lancer was struck by a train in
> > Hartford, Connecticut (Ratdog / Allman Brothers Band) and succumbed to
> > her injuries shortly after.
>
Yes... Very sad.
simi...@gmail.com
> On Aug 22, 2:00 pm, Uncle John <gdra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hartford, Connecticut (Ratdog / Allman Brothers Band) and succumbed to
> > her injuries shortly after.
>
mr rapidan
Sorry to be gauche, but perhaps a gentle explanation of just exactly
why money is needed, here, would be illuminating. Well, yes, to
defray costs, but that's *always* the reason to put the hand out,
right? I'm just wondering . . . and I can't be the only one.
Maur...@juno.com
It's not gauche, just cautious. Who is Uncle John and what is his
relation to the family? I would err on the side of caution when asked
for money. She was from Vermont and this gentlemen is from East
Hampton, CT. Nevertheless, a tragedy to be sure. God bless her
family and friends.
Uncle John
no harm in being cautious. Morgan is a friend and I am doing this to
help her family. I have been in contact and her brother gave me the
go-ahead this morning. If you have been to a few shows, I bet you've
crossed paths with Morgan. She will be sorely missed. I wanted to
get something together to assist her family.
shimmy
>.. was struck by a train in
> Hartford, Connecticut (Ratdog / Allman Brothers Band)...
What does that part mean?!?
Avant Grape
I would recommend that no money be sent, particularly based the lack of
a legitimate name or web site sponsored by the family. Furthermore, why
should anyone give their money away without an actual background story
which sells the idea that yes, the family is in dire straits financially
due to the loss of their 26 year old child? You haven't explained what
the money will actually be going towards. Many of us have had to pay
money out of our own pockets for the funeral costs of family members and
other associated costs. As is stands, I don't like your method one bit.
Sorry to be blunt if all is well intentioned, but something appears
fishy here as it stands.
-JC
grunk
wrote:
> Sorry to be blazing blunts.
>
> -JC- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Blunts?
Do share!
simi...@gmail.com
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http://www.gdradio.net Is a well know and respected website among us
Deadheads....
This is legit. Check with Ratdog.org and gatheringofthevibes.com
simi...@gmail.com
Avant Grape
How is it legit when I would have no idea what the money would be used
for? There's a disconnect here. My father died a couple of years back,
and I lost quite a bit of money during a 4 month period. I asked for
good vibes and prayers from my fellow heads, but not money. Now, if the
family is in dire straits financially, then that would be worth
considering, but we're hearing none of that. Bad form IMO.
-JC
Uncle John
if you'd like to contact me at jo...@gdradio.net, I'd be thrilled to
answer any questions you have. I will try to address points here as
well, but would prefer this to not become ugly, as I already see it
heading in that direction.
Morgan's brother has been very busy, what with identifying the body
and trying to get arrangements taken care of... He is here in CT and
doesn't have a laptop, otherwise I'd figure a way to have him make
this more 'legitimate' for you. I'm sure over the next few days he
may have a moment to help.
I don't mean to put anyone out, I am trying to help the family
financially. The money will go toward burial expenses and/or hospital
costs. They don't have the money and this is why I am doing it. This
is a very rough time for them and to make a big deal about someone's
financial situation ... well, I felt that would be bad form IMO.
Help or don't help, but my intentions are to help a kind sister's
family. I don't know how to satisfy your doubts more than I am.
Maur...@juno.com
Uncle John,
I think people genuinely would like to help, I know I do, and people
don't mean to get ugly, but it's hard to know these days who is legit
and who is just looking to profit off of someone else's tradgedy. Is
there any way you can substantiate your relationship with the family?
What is the complete story - why was she lying on the tracks? Where
were her friends? I was at the show Wednesday night and it didn't end
until after midnight - why was she outside the venue before the show
was even over? My sympathies go out to you and her family but I for
one need more information before I would be willing to help out a
family in need.
Uncle John
appreciative of the help. You might tell me a better way to
substantiate my relationship.. i truly don't know how to adequately do
that in this circumstance.
the complete story isnt known. Morgan hasn't even been buried yet and
the police are still investigating. Morgan was with friends, but
apparently got separated from them. why she was lying on the tracks
will hopefully be found out, but doubtful, as being run over by a
train makes a medical examiner's work very difficult.
Junter
simi...@gmail.com
wrote:
> and I lost quite a bit of money during a 4 month period. I asked for
> good vibes and prayers from my fellow heads, but not money. Now, if the
> family is in dire straits financially, then that would be worth
> considering, but we're hearing none of that. Bad form IMO.
>
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I am sorry about the loss of your dad but was he a friendly face from
Ratdog shows? I think not... and my bet is your a one or two show a
year kind of guy, so you wouldnt know... The family is not well off
(financially) so there is nothing wrong in trying to help. Its the
right thing to do....
So Avant Grape STFU! Go away....
Uncle John
no need to be mean to each other.
PEACE
nick...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> > Deadheads....
>
> > This is legit. Check with Ratdog.org and gatheringofthevibes.com
>
> How is it legit when I would have no idea what the money would be used
> for? There's a disconnect here. My father died a couple of years back,
> and I lost quite a bit of money during a 4 month period. I asked for
> good vibes and prayers from my fellow heads, but not money. Now, if the
> family is in dire straits financially, then that would be worth
> considering, but we're hearing none of that. Bad form IMO.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
whoo the fuck are you telling ppl to not donate money....helpp is
always needed in a traggic loss like thiss. just because you hadnt
thought of the idea of fundraising for your father doesnt meean its a
stupid idea..the site is leggittt and deadradio had come up with the
idea and came to shane...the fact that your putting down one of my
friends who i lost and her family is obsurdd...the lancer family who
is in need is now getting fucked over more because of stupid assholes
like you telling people to not be generous... keep your lame ass
thoughts to yourself
nick...@yahoo.com
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for reall.... like whoo goes out of there way telling people to not
help outt
Avant Grape
I will not. In fact, I will note that your attitude is not doing your
friend's family any favors. Furthermore, you need to better your
comprehension skills and learn to read. Your accusations are unfounded.
-JC
simi...@gmail.com
wrote:
> >>> Deadheads....
> >>> This is legit. Check with Ratdog.org and gatheringofthevibes.com
> >> How is it legit when I would have no idea what the money would be used
> >> for? There's a disconnect here. My father died a couple of years back,
> >> and I lost quite a bit of money during a 4 month period. I asked for
> >> good vibes and prayers from my fellow heads, but not money. Now, if the
> >> family is in dire straits financially, then that would be worth
> >> considering, but we're hearing none of that. Bad form IMO.
>
> >> -JC- Hide quoted text -
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> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > whoo the fuck are you telling ppl to not donate money....helpp is
> > always needed in a traggic loss like thiss. just because you hadnt
> > thought of the idea of fundraising for your father doesnt meean its a
> > stupid idea..the site is leggittt and deadradio had come up with the
> > idea and came to shane...the fact that your putting down one of my
> > friends who i lost and her family is obsurdd...the lancer family who
> > is in need is now getting fucked over more because of stupid assholes
> > like you telling people to not be generous... keep your lame ass
> > thoughts to yourself
>
> I will not. In fact, I will note that your attitude is not doing your
> friend's family any favors. Furthermore, you need to better your
> comprehension skills and learn to read. Your accusations are unfounded.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Stop being a Troll... you a obviously not a Deadhead... your only here
to stir the pot.
Your a said, bitter person....
Once in a while you get shown in the light, In the strangest of places
if you look at it right ...
ML
You have condolences from folks
here like me, who are deadheads,
and who are familiar with one another
but not with you or your friend who sadly died.
JC is a caring deadhead, and every question he
raises is valid and appropriate.
Good luck to you guys.
Avant Grape
Sigh.
-JC
JimK
Maybe so, but at least he can spell.
JimK
Avant Grape
Jim, you're too kind.
-JC
ML
> I am sorry about the loss of your dad but was he a friendly face from
> Ratdog shows? I think not... and my bet is your a one or two show a
> year kind of guy, so you wouldnt know... The family is not well off
> (financially) so there is nothing wrong in trying to help. Its the
> right thing to do....
>
> So Avant Grape STFU! Go away....
Your posting history shows you play
or played the stock market. Perhaps
you are in a better position to help
strangers financially than I am.
You just spoke to a member of this ng
like a jerk and quite possibly a con/troll.
JimK
I try.
JimK
volkfolk
Who the fuck are you? Never seen you around these parts before. JC is
a regular here. If anyone is trolling, I would say it was you.
Scot
Uncle John
come on now
PEACE
The Iron Muffin
(to JC Martin)
> Stop being a Troll... you a obviously not a Deadhead... your
> only here to stir the pot.
JC is a longtime regular poster here. Your first post to RMGD
was yesterday. Who the fuck are *you* to be accusing JC of
being a troll and a non-Deadhead?
Get bent.
--
The Iron Muffin
DEAD FREAKS UNITE
Who are you? Where are you?
How are you?
The Iron Muffin
(to JC Martin)
> whoo the fuck are you telling ppl to not donate money....
He didn't tell anybody not to donate money. He was asking
what the money would be used for, and pointing out that it
was bad form to be asking for money in a group like this one
without some way of verifying the solicitor's credentials, an
assessment which I agree with completely.
> helpp is always needed in a traggic loss like thiss. just
> because you hadnt thought of the idea of fundraising for
> your father doesnt meean its a stupid idea..
I don't see where JC made the assertion that it is a stupid
idea to do fundraising, just that the way in which it was
presented was very shady.
> the site is leggittt
Says who? You and the guy asking for money.
See the problem?
> and deadradio had come up with the idea and came to
> shane...the fact that your putting down one of my friends
> who i lost and her family is obsurdd...
JC never "put down" your friend and her family. Asking
for a way to verify the legitimacy of a request for money
is not a put-down, it's just common sense.
> the lancer family who is in need is now getting fucked
> over more because of stupid assholes like you telling
> people to not be generous...
No, actually they're getting fucked over more because of
stupid assholes like you who alienate the people that you
are asking for money. I would likely have donated some
of my own hard-earned money to this cause, if it had not
been for you and your bullshit attitude.
> keep your lame ass thoughts to yourself
JC is a longtime regular poster here, and you are some
jackass who came here to try to start shit with him for
asking legitimate questions and raising legitimate concerns.
Why don't you go fuck yourself?
LP
> On Aug 22, 11:50 pm, Avant Grape <avantnograpec...@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> > simian...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > This is legit. Check with Ratdog.org and gatheringofthevibes.com
>
> > How is it legit when I would have no idea what the money would be used
> > for? There's a disconnect here. My father died a couple of years back,
> > and I lost quite a bit of money during a 4 month period. I asked for
> > good vibes and prayers from my fellow heads, but not money. Now, if the
> > family is in dire straits financially, then that would be worth
> > considering, but we're hearing none of that. Bad form IMO.
>
> > -JC
>
> whoo the fuck are you telling ppl to not donate money....
JC didn't tell anyone to NOT donate.
> helpp is
> always needed in a traggic loss like thiss. just because you hadnt
> thought of the idea of fundraising for your father doesnt meean its a
> stupid idea..
YOU are the only one who wrote "stupid idea" in connection with this.
> the site is leggittt and deadradio had come up with the
> idea and came to shane...the fact that your putting down one of my
> friends who i lost and her family is obsurdd...
Please point out where he put down any one of your friends.
> the lancer family who
> is in need is now getting fucked over more because of stupid assholes
> like you telling people to not be generous... keep your lame ass
> thoughts to yourself
How are they being "fucked over" because JC questioned the legitimacy
of this request?
I would not give one penny to this cause - because of YOU and your
emotional and abusive responses, nickd. If you want help, try being a
nice person instead of doing what you did here.
You don't read well, you don't write well, and YOU are the one here
who no one knows. JC has been a regular on rmgd for many years.
Please go away.
LP
Shawn Lucas
for my email address.> wrote:
>Why don't you go fuck yourself?
Yah...JC is an oldtimer...he probably remembers the days when we had
.t in here to drop the ever so eloquent "fuck off turd boy" on the
troll of the day.
Uncle John
address.> wrote:
> nickdo89 wrote:
> He didn't tell anybody not to donate money.
to be fair:
On Aug 22, 9:48 pm, Avant Grape <avantnograpec...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> I would recommend that no money be sent
> -JC
i wanted to get the word out to as many places as possible. had i
known that it would turn so ugly, i would have not bothered. I'm
sorry if anyone's feathers were ruffled. I'm just trying to help.
again for the 3rd time
no need to be mean to each other.
PEACE
Thomas Beck
"Shawn Lucas" <slucas_2@ya_nospam_hoo.com> wrote in message
news:akg1b4lb7jh6b87gl...@4ax.com...
Nah! Uncle Jeff would never talk like that.
Tom
LOJ
me either, but just the same...
Uncle John is a dear friend, one of the kindest souls I have ever had
the pleasure to meet. Always helping absolutely everyone with anything
they need. I totally understand being cautious and checking things
out. And I think it was okay to ask and probably even smart.
Just want to say that in this case you are dealing with a true blue
soul. Again, no reason to believe me or not believe me. In this day
that we live in, we are bombarded with fear, caution, lack of trust.
We tend to think everything is a scam, and hey, maybe because there
are a lot of scammers out there. We tend to be afraid of each other,
afraid of the world. The nightly news does a great job of focusing on
only the negative and the feared. Bombarding us with images and
stories that make us more scared and less trusting. Do they ever or
often report all the good deeds that are done in that same day? But
believe, there is so much more good still out there, there are still
kind heads who will step up to the plate for friends and even
strangers and do the right thing. Don't know about you guys, but I
still remember learning the lessons on tour that people could be
trusted to do the right thing. Sure, there are always people who
don't, and people that mean us harm, but we tend to focus on that to
the extreme. We are still everywhere, and we can still make it on the
dreams we still believe. Believe, please. This is not a request to
send money or to not send money. It's just my 2 cents on not giving up
hope and still believing that we are still all here for each other at
least in some ways. I sent a donation, but then again I know John and
trust him completely. In the past I have trusted strangers out of gut
instinct and have been happy to find out that it was okay and that my
gut was right. All the times I was broken down on the side of the road
on tour and folks came to help, and lots of times they were "non-
heads" who stopped just the same, for not particular reason, but
wanting to help. All the times when complete strangers stepped up to
assist, when there was nothing in it for them. All these things still
exist. This is one example of this still happening. "Believe it or
not". Anyway, thanks for indulging my thoughts. Much love.
Believe It Or Not
Lyrics: Robert Hunter
Music: Jerry Garcia
A Hunter/Garcia ballad recorded for Built To Last but not released on
the album. It was played live only six times in 1988 and once in 1990.
One or two moments, a piece of your time
Is all that I'm asking, and I'll give you mine
One or two moments out of all you have got
To show how I love you, believe it or not
Remember the day I rolled in to town
With my heart in my shoes, with my head hanging down
Now my only trouble, the rest I forgot
Is to show how I love you, believe it or not
Done time in the lockup, done time in the street
Done time on the upswing and time in defeat
I know what I'm asking, and I know it's a lot
When I say that I love you, believe it or not
I know I'm no angel, my prospects are high
As the flood line in summer when the river's gone dry
But I'll roll up my shirt-sleeves and make my best shot
To show how I love you, believe it or not
Right now while the sun shines on the crest of the hill
With a breeze in the pines and a grey whippoorwill
Making music together that guitars never caught
Let me show how I love you, believe it or not
mariann...@gmail.com
my feelings here.
This is a terrible time for my family - you simply cannot imagine how
tragic it is to lose someone like Morgan, in such a senseless way.
Morgan's younger brother, my son Shane, was very close to his sister.
I was touched to see this message board, initially. I'm so glad
Morgan touched so many people's lives. I had heard someone was
attempting to collect donations, which is kind. I was in Florida
where I live, stuck in a tropical storm/tornado watch, and could not
fly up until last night.
I have no doubt Uncle John's intention is well & kind. Please
understand my appreciation. However, my family is here and it is
unnecessary for any donations to us. If anyone wishes to donate to
Uncle John for some special memorial purpose - or donate to a charity
- they have my blessing. Please do feel free to honor my special
child in whatever way you see fit.
The dispute here on this board - which I have only taken a few moments
to read - is disturbing. Please do what friends of Jerry, Ratdog,
Phil do best -- be loving and kind to each other.
Finally, regarding how Morgan died - I do not have any answers about
this. The news coverage of this is painful for me. The circumstances
are mysterious and bizarre to me. Maybe I will learn more, maybe I
won't. Either way, it won't bring my precious child back to life or
turn back time.
I am struggling to accept this loss and let my daughter's spirit go
free. If you knew her, you know how special she is. For those of you
who expressed kind words, thank you. There was a bonfire in Johnson
last night honoring her. Thank you whoever organized that - I was
very touched. There will be a service and a celebration of her life
here in Burlington, which will be in the Burlington Free Press this
week. Morgan's good friend Megan Vaughn is taking calls if anyone
needs more information.
Peace, Marianne Lancer
"To live in this world you must be able to do three things: to love
what is mortal; to hold it against your bones knowing your own life
depends on it; and, when the time comes to let it go, to let it go." -
Mary Oliver
volkfolk
I've been posting here for 13 years, and have seen hundreds of shows.
I've never seen you or any of the other folks who popped up in this
thread posting here before.
Sorry if you don't like the fact that having been yo more than a
couple of shows I've seen a scam or two in my time.
Furthermore "simian" insulted another longtime poster to this group;
implying that he was unreasonable for asking for some documentation.
Other than your word, there is NO evidence that the money that you are
requesting is going to go this poor girl's family.
Let's see a bank account set up in her name somewhere with some
official type of information, instead of just a paypal account. That
would add an air of legitimacy to your request that if doesn't have
right now
Scot
Sherry in Vermont
> I have no doubt Uncle John's intention is well & kind. Please
> understand my appreciation. However, my family is here and it is
> unnecessary for any donations to us. If anyone wishes to donate to
> Uncle John for some special memorial purpose - or donate to a charity
> - they have my blessing. Please do feel free to honor my special
> child in whatever way you see fit.
Considering Morgan's mom says they DON'T need money... why is Uncle
John looking for it?
Not trying to be crude, just understand why *he* is looking for money
for the family... and the family says they don't need it??? Just
doesn't add up, IMO.
I am very sorry to hear of Morgan's death. I hope her friends and
family can find peace and comfort in their memories.
Sherry in Vermont
Sherry in Vermont
Not being mean here... BUT - if the family doesn't need or want money,
then why are you asking for it for them? I understand wanting to help,
but not having a "real" fund set up for the family does seem
scam-like... and it would not have turned ugly if the questions asked
were honestly answered without rancor. The way it is, seems like folks
are looking to benefit from her death. I'm not saying that's what you
are doing, but wouldn't you arrange money requests thru the family
FIRST?
Sherry in Vermont
volkfolk
> --
> Peace,
> Steve- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I sent her a private email. I can't imagine how terrible it would be
to lose a child, especially in such a senseless manner
Her post also verifies that it would seem to be some sort of scam,
since Morgan's Mom said that they didn't need or want any money
Scot
Walter Karmazyn
I don't think it was a scam. just somebody wanting to in some way help
and not doing enough background work before embarking. One person
Morgan's Mom mentioned was her son Shane, Morgans younger brother, who
was very close to her. That's who Uncle John said he talked to and got
the go ahead from. Maybe Shane thought his family in dire straits come
money, and didn't consult with his parents first. Regardless,I'm not
defending anybody who appeared here in the last few days to call
oldtimers trolls and whatnot, but in my heart of hearts, I don't feel
scammer vibes from this Uncle John guy. As I said at the top, too much
too fast, no poking around to get to the heat of the matter. that
doesn't make for a bad heart though.
W
Walter Karmazyn
From the start I thought the same way Morgan's Mom did about Uncle
John, well intentioned. The guy has a radio show, I didn't think he was
pulling a scam, but at the same time the questions asked by some folks
here were legitimate concerns, which weren't addressed. While he did
talk to and got the ok from Morgan's younger brother, he ain't the one
picking up the bills of this tragedy and probably has no idea of what
could be afforded or not.
John, your mistake was jumping a little too fast. Those bills would
still be there if you waited a minute to get the lowdown and find that
the community's help wasn't needed in paying them. Also you gave no
information more than dead deadhead's family needs help. Which they didn't.
The voice of reason in this appeared this morning from Morgan's Mom,
I have no doubt Uncle John's intention is well & kind. Please
understand my appreciation. However, my family is here and it is
unnecessary for any donations to us.
If anyone wishes to donate to
Uncle John for some special memorial purpose - or donate to a charity
- they have my blessing. Please do feel free to honor my special
child in whatever way you see fit.
And that last bit clinches it, in a nutshell folks. And as you took
this on there Uncle John, here's it for you to fulfill. What was Morgan
passionate about, some particular cause? What would she like to see get
a few bucks in her memory? check that out and then start checking
things out. SEVA foundation has all sorts of humanitarian activities,
and have been a favorite organization of Grateful Dead and the extended
family for longer than Morgan was alive. Something there? I can tell
you about an organization That will plant a rain forest tree(s) in her
memory, hell maybe a whole grove if the money showed. There are lots of
options, depending on what she was truly passionate about. There you
go... get back to us, you might even get a few donations from some of us.
W
ML
SEVA foundation has all sorts of humanitarian activities,
> and have been a favorite organization of Grateful Dead and the extended
> family for longer than Morgan was alive. Something there? I can tell
> you about an organization That will plant a rain forest tree(s) in her
> memory, hell maybe a whole grove if the money showed. There are lots of
> options, depending on what she was truly passionate about. There you
> go... get back to us, you might even get a few donations from some of us.
>
> W
I think you are probably right, W, about Uncle John
and Morgan's mom being good and sincere.
Something comes to my mind, though, and I'm
not sure what you will think of this, but some
of our "own" pals here are suffering real hardships.
They are just not posting about it. They don't want to
ask, but I know they have serious difficulties with lack
of $ and have experienced personal losses recently.
It is an individual choice what anyone does and none of my business.
Just needed to say that, sorry I can't say more here.
You are very sweet, just like so many RMGDers. :)
wyeknot
Screw that.
Keep your lame ass thoughts piped in on nearly every thread JC - same
as it ever was!!! ;-)
Matt
Douglas T Lilley
There are really no words that will make any difference but you sound
like a wonderful person, your daughter sounds like a wonderful person
and I hope you can find some peace as the days go by. Thanks for your
beautiful, heartfelt post.
Shawn Lucas
wrote:
>Good morning. I am Morgan's mom. I hope you'll allow me to express
>my feelings here.
>
>This is a terrible time for my family - you simply cannot imagine how
>tragic it is to lose someone like Morgan, in such a senseless way.
>Morgan's younger brother, my son Shane, was very close to his sister.
>
>I was touched to see this message board, initially. ...
>
<snip>
>Peace, Marianne Lancer
>
>"To live in this world you must be able to do three things: to love
>what is mortal; to hold it against your bones knowing your own life
>depends on it; and, when the time comes to let it go, to let it go." -
>Mary Oliver
Don't worry about the vibe in here...its like brothers and sisters who
spend too much time around one another...once in a while someone cops
some 'tude and things flare up. Usually it is done (as I believe it
was in this case) with the best of intentions. I'm sorry negativity
found its way to your attention in these hard times. Thinking about
this pocket of the internet is the last thing you probably need at the
moment. Take care of yourself and your loved ones and appreciate your
daughter's time in this world. I'm sorry for your loss. My
condolences to you and I wish strength to you and yours.
Uncle John
yeah - I had been in contact with Shane, who said it was a good idea
and told me that he had talked with his parents who were
'appreciative'
obviously over the last 48 hours things have changed.
i will reverse all paypal payments in about 10 minutes and kill this
thing.
i wanted to help in some way and was told they'd need financial help.
I got in contact with her brother and asked if this was something that
could be done. I wouldn't have done it if I was told not to.
there is NO scam at all. That's not what I am about :(
Avant Grape
FWIW, no one implicated you in any scam. But you can't expect people to
feel safe sending money to some guy named Uncle John on behalf of a
family no one here knows, who unfortunately and sadly lost their
daughter recently. Also, it seemed really strange to have this
newsgroup bombarded with posts from folks who no one has ever seen here
before. The vibe in reaction to what was meant as constructive
criticism was anything but positive.
Anyway, no worries. I'm sure you meant well. Best wishes to the
family. Sounds like a horrible tragedy that will require a good amount
of decompression time and healing.
-JC
Walter Karmazyn
I never thought so, though as JC explained,you can see how people could
be a bit curious.
I'm willing to bet from her Mom's response above, there was a
communications breakdown and the parents thought this was a collection
to do something in Morgan's memory, as opposed to helping them lay her
to rest. Both are noble, and her Mom certainly didn't slam the door on
that idea.
You got a website (and I noticed you did change the page), all you have
to do is work with Morgan's family and friends to decide where people
can send a gift in her memory, and post it there. Here even, without
much problem I imagine. Most organizations are set up for this kind of
stuff, I mentioned 2 in my other post, where folks would send directly
to them and they would send a nice response to the family telling them a
donation has been made. You not in picture. Even if her favorite
organization was the local senior's meals on wheels or some such thing,
you post an address for them, not that you'll get the money there.
Just a thought...
W
http://www.rainforestrescue.org.au/plantatree.html
Schmoe
> help - or don't.
>
> no need to be mean to each other.
>
> PEACE
Agreed. I'm still curious as to why this young woman was lying on railroad
tracks. Is there any store beyond the news?
Schmoe
> Considering Morgan's mom says they DON'T need money... why is Uncle John
> looking for it?
>
> Not trying to be crude, just understand why *he* is looking for money for
> the family... and the family says they don't need it??? Just doesn't add
> up, IMO.
>
> I am very sorry to hear of Morgan's death. I hope her friends and family
> can find peace and comfort in their memories.
I think that's reasonable. An inexpensive funeral may incur a $2-3k cost.
It's not an amount that really needs a usenet fundraiser. Let's be real
here. It's a terrible loss but this is usenet, not the most likely of places
for legit fundraisers to occur (not to say they don't occur, just not
legitimately often). It's a sad story but shouldn't really require a usenet
fundraiser. I'm sure the family has plenty of local and known friends who
could contribute this amount if the family couldn't.
Schmoe
> known that it would turn so ugly, i would have not bothered. I'm
> sorry if anyone's feathers were ruffled. I'm just trying to help.
I think you had good intentions but the request seems too small for this
type of forum. Local and known sources should be able to put together the
necessary funds for a simple funeral.
Peace.
Schmoe
>I think people genuinely would like to help, I know I do, and people
>don't mean to get ugly, but it's hard to know these days who is legit
>and who is just looking to profit off of someone else's tradgedy. Is
>there any way you can substantiate your relationship with the family?
>What is the complete story - why was she lying on the tracks? Where
>were her friends? I was at the show Wednesday night and it didn't end
>until after midnight - why was she outside the venue before the show
>was even over?
Sadly, we all speculate the answer lies in a little piece of paper or liquid
or even excessive alcohol. Let's call it what it is. Some people won't
contribute to an apparent self-induced fatality, right, wrong or
indifferent, it's the way people think
Walter Karmazyn
I'm the narliest motherfucker here Mary. Just they don't take off the
jacket and let me near a keyboard or crayon till the meds have kicked in.
W
bmo...@nyx.net
> Furthermore "simian" insulted another longtime poster to this group;
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077975/quotes
[Watching Flounder take abuse at ROTC]
Otter: He can't do that do that to our pledges.
Boon: Only we can do that to our pledges.
;-)