monk/coltrane
mr.rapidan
Coltrane, I've got Monk's Music, which features Coltrane on most of
the tracks, Thelonious Monk with John Coltrane, and the somewhere
recently discovered and released Thelonious Monk Quartet with John
Coltrane at Carnegie Hall (which I'm listening to right now) . . .
any other Monk/Coltrane stuff out there? Cause goddamn, it's good.
Ray O'Hara
"mr.rapidan" <jmi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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There was nothing wrong with Charlie Rouse's sax playing.
Monk's best stuff is with Charlie.
mr.rapidan
"Best" is a tough one, but I've got all that stuff (unless Rouse
played in the big band configurations - don't have any of that), too.
I even dig the maligned European releases.
Ray O'Hara
Charlie was with the big band on at least the "Spherical Monk' album.
Neil X
I think I might have a couple of unreleased live concerts with Monk
and Coltrane. Let me look into it.
Peace,
Neil X.
pbuzb...@yahoo.com
I think the only other one is the "Discovery!" live CD from the Five
Spot, bootleg quality.
Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL
J.C. Martin
The Columbia sides are Monk's best 'sounding' records due to
technological advances, but Monk's playing was no where close to being
in peak form. His improvisations were much less adventurous. Monk's
best playing is on the early Blue Note sides before his cabaret card
was taken away. Unfortunately, the sound quality of those dates is
pretty average. I'd also put the Riverside dates above the Columbia
sides as well. I mean, Sonny Rollins? Come on now. I agree that
Rouse's playing with Monk was excellent; in fact Monk's compositions
and Rouse's playing were more a highlight than Monk's piano playing
itself. The recent Carnegie Hall find with Coltrane is incredible;
I'll take that over any Columbia side ever released every day of the
week.
-JC
Sweetbac
"J.C. Martin" <avant...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'd also put the Riverside dates above the Columbia
> sides as well. I mean, Sonny Rollins? Come on now. I agree that
> Rouse's playing with Monk was excellent; in fact Monk's compositions
> and Rouse's playing were more a highlight than Monk's piano playing
> itself. The recent Carnegie Hall find with Coltrane is incredible;
> I'll take that over any Columbia side ever released every day of the
> week.
> -JC
Hmmm...I dont know about the Riverside stuff...
I have one record he did with Rollins that has some
out of tune cringe factor...I personally love the Columbia
stuff....even later dates like "Monk Underground" is great.
I just downloaded an interesting doc about Monk and
the baronesse Pannonica von Koennigswater called
"The Jazz Baroness" that HBO did...it's on the Demon.
A lot of cool stuff...basically, she was a Rothchild, and
left the family to move to NYC and hang with Monk
in the '50s....she was a hip chick...Charlie Parker died
in her apartment...interesting note...he was still playing shows
in 1976...I thought the last recordings were from '72.
He died in 1982.
Check it out if you're a Monk fan
J.C. Martin
> "J.C. Martin" <avantgr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Yeah, I checked that out a couple of weeks ago. Good stuff.
As far as the Riverside stuff, Monk made more than one record with
Rollins and recorded more material for that label overall than any
other. I love the Columbia sides FWIW; it you want a more slick,
smoothed around the edges Monk, this is where is go. Everything is
recorded beautifully and is in tune as you say. If I play Monk for
friends, this is always where I start. But Monk is in not in peak
form as an improviser on this dates.
-JC
Sweetbac
> it you want slick, smoothed around the edges Monk...
> -JC
New terms when describing Monk:
"slick & smoothed around the edges"
The things you learn on RMGD.
Goodness.
J.C. Martin
> "J.C. Martin" <avantgr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
*cough!* Describing the records themselves. Perhaps, I should say
"more polished and smoothed around the edges." Monk's playing is much
edgier when he was younger, and his chops were surprisingly much more
advanced than he's given credit for.
Monk's music used to scare people. By the 60's, he was on the front
cover of Time Magazine. Columbia did and good job of making Monk's
music more palatable to the masses, and by just getting him to play at
all give his deteriorating mental facilities.
-JC
pbuzb...@yahoo.com
> I have one record he did with Rollins that has some
> out of tune cringe factor...
You may be thinking of the Prestige record here (although Monk's trio
sessions on that label are some of my favorites of his).
Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL