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James Dean Young

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Nov 15, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/15/95
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In article <48c6m4$n...@news2.aimnet.com>, jason woo <jas...@aimnet.com> wrote:

> LE...@news.delphi.com (LE...@DELPHI.COM) wrote:
> >Everyone knows that the songs of the Grateful Dead contain many
> >references to cocaine, amphetamines, and other drugs. However, can
> >anyone cite references to alcohol in their songs. (Ripple does not
> >count).
> >

Hey Leon, are you a fool who never listens to the Dead? Oh, of course
you're not...it seems that you HAVE listened to Casey Jones. After that
song, references to specific drugs are scarce, except of course alcohol,
for which there are many.

What is this about Ripple? There is no alcohol reference in the song...

James

David M. Cox

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LE...@news.delphi.com (LE...@DELPHI.COM) wrote:

>Everyone knows that the songs of the Grateful Dead contain many
>references to cocaine, amphetamines, and other drugs. However, can
>anyone cite references to alcohol in their songs. (Ripple does not
>count).

There are probably many more, but some that come to mind instantly
are:

Brown Eyed Women: (..and red grenadine, the bottle was dusty but the
liqour was clean...)
Mexicalli Blues (thinkin and drinkin are all I have today)
Big Boss Man (Wanna little drink of whiskey...sure won't let me stop)
The Loser (Never touch hard liqour just a cup of cold coffee).

And of course, the seminal song about alcohol is Wharf Rat, although
alcohol is not mentioned, it is interpreted by many as a song about
the effects of alcoholism, as told through the eyes of one (or two,
depending on your point of view) alchoholic(s) "down by the docks of
the city."


tom winiarski

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In article <echristi-1511950009270001@s187_19.resnet.ucla.edu>,
echr...@ucla.edu says...
>
>Brown eyed women : Daddy made whiskey...


Ken Majewski 240-7333

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In article <48bv4t$8...@news2.delphi.com>, LE...@news.delphi.com (LE...@DELPHI.COM) writes:
> Everyone knows that the songs of the Grateful Dead contain many
> references to cocaine, amphetamines, and other drugs. However, can
> anyone cite references to alcohol in their songs. (Ripple does not
> count).

We can share the women, we can share the wine

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Branden Wolner

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In article <48bv4t$8...@news2.delphi.com>, LE...@news.delphi.com says...

>
>Everyone knows that the songs of the Grateful Dead contain many
>references to cocaine, amphetamines, and other drugs. However, can
>anyone cite references to alcohol in their songs. (Ripple does not
>count).
>

I realize that there are no lyrics, but isn't "Beer Barrel Polka" a drinking
song?

--
Branden Wolner
wol...@ewald.mbi.ucla.edu
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Molecular Biology Institute
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
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to rock my soul..."
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tom winiarski

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In article <48bv4t$8...@news2.delphi.com>, LE...@news.delphi.com says...
>
>Everyone knows that the songs of the Grateful Dead contain many
>references to cocaine, amphetamines, and other drugs. However, can
>anyone cite references to alcohol in their songs. (Ripple does not
>count).
>
>Leon Gussow
>Division of Toxicology
>Cook County Hospital
>Chicago
>
Just a couple of thoughts -

Brown eyed women: Daddy made whiskey and he made it well

Greatest Story: I asked him for water, he poured me some wine/We
finished the bottle and broke into mine

and the "rock and rye" references in Mississippi Half Step


tom


jason woo

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LE...@news.delphi.com (LE...@DELPHI.COM) wrote:
>Everyone knows that the songs of the Grateful Dead contain many
>references to cocaine, amphetamines, and other drugs. However, can
>anyone cite references to alcohol in their songs. (Ripple does not
>count).
>
>Leon Gussow
>Division of Toxicology
>Cook County Hospital
>Chicago
>
"hand me my old guitar, pass the whiskey round..."
"everybody's braging and drinking that wine..."
"cherish well your thoughts and keep a tight grip on your booze..."
"since you poured the wine for me..."
"stepped up to Stagger Lee at the bar, said buy me a gin fizz, luz*..."
"I sat down to my supper, twas a bottle of red whiskey..."
"we can share the women, we can share the wine,,,"
"...stumbling around, drunk on burgundy wine..."
the list goes on...


*my girlfriend used to be a bartender in Palo Alto. She one made
Raymuss(spelling?) gin fizzes for Jerry and his group. He ordered 4
rounds and told the waiter to compliment the bartender; said they were
the best gin fizzes he ever had. Jerry had time for 4 rounds, by she
didn't have time to call me and tell he was there. Go figure...

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Alan Clewley

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Easy Wind- 'My rider hide my bottle in the other room'

& another Pigpen tune that who's title slips my mind says something about
his 'woman' trying to serve him tea, instead of whiskey.

And I only heard Broken Arrow for the first time today, but isen't there a
line in there about 'who'll pour wine?'

ALC


Todd Brown

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In article <48dbcr$7...@saba.info.ucla.edu> wol...@ewald.mbi.ucla.edu (Branden Wolner) writes:
>In article <48bv4t$8...@news2.delphi.com>, LE...@news.delphi.com says...
>>
>>Everyone knows that the songs of the Grateful Dead contain many
>>references to cocaine, amphetamines, and other drugs. However, can
>>anyone cite references to alcohol in their songs. (Ripple does not
>>count).
>>
>
>I realize that there are no lyrics, but isn't "Beer Barrel Polka" a drinking
>song?

But there are lyrics, just The Dead never sang the tune.


"Roll out the barrel,
we'll have a barrel of fun."

or

"Roll out the orange barrels,
we'll smile and laugh like monkeys in a barrle having fun." :-) :-)

Remember when everything was orange:-)
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>TODD|-ODD-|:-) | Nothing Left To Do But <
>br...@sunspot.noao.edu /|\ :-) :-) :-) <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>/ | \<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Jon

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Isn't the Dire Wolf alcoholism?

Pierre Laik

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de...@bga.com (James Dean Young) wrote:

>Hey Leon, are you a fool who never listens to the Dead?

>What is this about Ripple? There is no alcohol reference in the song...
>
>James

You may be the fool on this one, James...unless you were being sarcastic.
.and whatever happened to your "peace" greeting??

Pierre
pl...@dbc.com


Derrick Hussey

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> LE...@news.delphi.com (LE...@DELPHI.COM) wrote:
> >Everyone knows that the songs of the Grateful Dead contain many
> >references to cocaine, amphetamines, and other drugs. However, can
> >anyone cite references to alcohol in their songs. (Ripple does not
> >count).
> >

Okie From Muskogee (played once) mentions White Lightning, which is
either a booze reference or an LSD reference, take your pick;)

How about a new thread: Veiled LSD References in gdead songs.

"I can tell the queen of diamonds by the way she shines"
"Where all the *pages* are my days"
"Alice D. Millionaire"

Any others?

Branden Wolner

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In article <48dk7f$h...@noao.edu>, br...@sunspot.noao.edu says...

>
>In article <48dbcr$7...@saba.info.ucla.edu> wol...@ewald.mbi.ucla.edu (Branden
Wo
>lner) writes:
>>In article <48bv4t$8...@news2.delphi.com>, LE...@news.delphi.com says...
>>>
>>>Everyone knows that the songs of the Grateful Dead contain many
>>>references to cocaine, amphetamines, and other drugs. However, can
>>>anyone cite references to alcohol in their songs. (Ripple does not
>>>count).
>>>
>>
>>I realize that there are no lyrics, but isn't "Beer Barrel Polka" a drinking
>>song?
>
>But there are lyrics, just The Dead never sang the tune.
>

This is what I meant. Sorry, could have been more specific. Thanks for
clearing that up :-)

jmu...@iastate.edu

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I sat down to my supper, 'twas a bottle of red whiskey...
-Dire Wolf

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John | We need magic, and bliss, and power, myth, |
| and celebration and religion in our lives, |
| and music is a good way to encapsulate a lot |
| of it. |
| --Jerry Garcia |
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MacBeth123

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Nov 15, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/15/95
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LE...@news.delphi.com writes:
>However, can anyone cite references to alcohol in their songs.

From Mexicali Polka, er, I mean Blues:
"...instead I've got a bottle, and a girl who's just fourteen..."

Bether

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The compass always points to Terrapin!
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Grsfish

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Nov 15, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/15/95
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BE Women gin
easy wind liquor
Minglewood whiskey.
Rosemary Wine

R_S...@mail.co.chester.pa.us

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I lost the original posts, so no attribution, but how can you
forget

"Brown Eyed Women and red grenadine,
the bottle was dusty, but the liquer was clean" ?

-Ray


In2ishn

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Nov 15, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/15/95
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"We can share the women,
We can share the wine"


Chris Norman

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Nov 15, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/15/95
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In rec.music.gdead Jon <jp...@bethelks.edu> said:


>Isn't the Dire Wolf alcoholism?
>

No. Its about the Zodiac killer.

--
Chris Norman cno...@hooked.net
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Mitch Goldman

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> dm...@mindspring.com (David M. Cox) writes:
>
> And of course, the seminal song about alcohol is Wharf Rat, although
> alcohol is not mentioned,

Really? How about "the other half found me/
stumbling around/
drunk on burgundy wine."

Mitch


Jon T. Jacobsen

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Nov 15, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/15/95
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Well,
Loser includes some references
"don't you touch hard liquor, just a cup of cold coffee...

Hard to Handle
"try to find a woman be good to me, won't hide my liquor,
serve me tea..."

Hell In a Bucket
"you imagine me sippin' champagne from your boot for a taste
of your elegant pride...

and

Wharf Rat

come to mind......I'm sure there are more


jakes
"dizzy aint the word for the way your making me feel now.."

Marc Olson

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Nov 15, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/15/95
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>What is this about Ripple? There is no alcohol reference in the song...

>James


Ripple is a cheap ass wine made by Gallo. I don't even think it is made
anymore. It is comperable to Boones, Thunderbird and Night Train.

Later on
Marc

Mitch Goldman

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Nov 15, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/15/95
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> hus...@routledge.com (Derrick Hussey) writes:
>
> How about a new thread: Veiled LSD References in gdead songs.

> "I can tell the queen of diamonds by the way she shines"
> "Where all the *pages* are my days"
> "Alice D. Millionaire"
>
> Any others?

*All* of "Doin' that Rag"?

Mitch


John Durako

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Nov 16, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/16/95
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"Don't You Touch Hard Liquor, Just a cup of cold coffee"
-Loser
"Dad made whiskey and he made it well,
cost two dollars and it burned like hell"
-Brown Eyed-Woman


please add to the list.
john


Mark Young

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Nov 16, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/16/95
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"couple shots of whisky, the women 'round here start looking good, ...
couple more shots of whisky, going down to minglewood"


Timothy Eckert

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In article <dead-15119...@apm0-22.realtime.com> de...@bga.com (James Dean Young) writes:
>From: de...@bga.com (James Dean Young)
>Subject: Re: alcohol references in gdead songs
>Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 06:22:17 -0600

>In article <48c6m4$n...@news2.aimnet.com>, jason woo <jas...@aimnet.com> wrote:

>> LE...@news.delphi.com (LE...@DELPHI.COM) wrote:
>> >Everyone knows that the songs of the Grateful Dead contain many

>> >references to cocaine, amphetamines, and other drugs. However, can
>> >anyone cite references to alcohol in their songs. (Ripple does not
>> >count).
>> >

>Hey Leon, are you a fool who never listens to the Dead? Oh, of course
>you're not...it seems that you HAVE listened to Casey Jones. After that
>song, references to specific drugs are scarce, except of course alcohol,
>for which there are many.

>What is this about Ripple? There is no alcohol reference in the song...

>James


Was it not said before? James Dean Young Sucks. Ripple is the name for a
brand of alcohol. It's wine or somethin'....kinda like Nighttrain, is
Nighttrain, and MD 20/20 is, well, wine...anyhow...the point was that there
really isn't that much of an alcohol reference in the song....unless you
happen to have a pint of Ripple to share...
As for no other drug references....hmmm.....put in, oh hell, let's make it
easy for ya, put in Europe '72, any side. Listen to it for a bit....partake
in some sort of vice (your choice). Step outside, take a walk around the
block, come back in, listen to the music again, then step up to your
computer....now, please list drug references here, some may be obscure, but
when you share, then everyone knows:


I'm goin' to get my coffee....

PLH,
Tim

jeff tiedrich

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Nov 16, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/16/95
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> I sat down to my supper, 'twas a bottle of red whiskey...
> -Dire Wolf

Ahhh, lads? Before we spend the next two weeks falling all over ourselves
and duplicating efforts, may I point out that Deadbase enumerates this
very information in great detail?

.tiedrich

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tapelist [grateful dead & other] available "Ask Dr. Tapes." --
via WWW: http://www.tiedrich.com/tapelist/ check local listings

S.Geller

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In article <48e0g0$8...@hptemp1.cc.umr.edu>, dur...@saucer.cc.umr.edu (John Durako) says:
>
>"Don't You Touch Hard Liquor,
>

"Hand me my old guitar, pass the whiskey round
won't you tell everybody you meet that the candyman's in town "

Will Satterthwaite

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> please add to the list.
> john

Wharf Rat in general.

Dire Wolf : Sat down to my supper 'twas a bottle of red whiskey

Will

Kellas CC

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Nov 16, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/16/95
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Alcohol and other drug references appear in several Grateful Dead songs.
For example, Candyman,Wharf Rat,Mexicali Blues,Me & My Uncle.If you get
confused, listen to the music play.

Heather C-H.

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de...@bga.com (James Dean Young) wrote:
>In article <48c6m4$n...@news2.aimnet.com>, jason woo <jas...@aimnet.com> wrote:
>
>> LE...@news.delphi.com (LE...@DELPHI.COM) wrote:
>> >Everyone knows that the songs of the Grateful Dead contain many
>> >references to cocaine, amphetamines, and other drugs. However, can
>> >anyone cite references to alcohol in their songs. (Ripple does not
>> >count).
>> >
>
>Hey Leon, are you a fool who never listens to the Dead? Oh, of course
>you're not...it seems that you HAVE listened to Casey Jones. After that
>song, references to specific drugs are scarce, except of course alcohol,
>for which there are many.
>
>What is this about Ripple? There is no alcohol reference in the song...
>
>James

Man, some people really have no sense of humor. Oh, by the way, Stella
Blue is rumored to be about heroin, Truckin' refers to getting busted (and
I bet it wasn't for beer), and I'll leave you with one last thought...

"We'll show you a high time tonight"

Anyone think of any other DRUG references?

Heather C-H.


Jeremy Poynton

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Nov 17, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/17/95
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Half Step - "Half a cup of rock & rye"
jp
--
Jeremy Poynton
j...@deadhead.geac.co.uk


Heather C-H.

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Nov 17, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/17/95
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Me & My Uncle:

"went down to the barroom, ordered drinks for all"


Rod Giffen

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cno...@also.hooked.net (Chris Norman) wrote:

| In rec.music.gdead Jon <jp...@bethelks.edu> said:
|
|
| >Isn't the Dire Wolf alcoholism?
| >
|
| No. Its about the Zodiac killer.
|

There is an interview with Jerry out there, I can't remember if I
heard it or read it, where he discusses this subject. I thought that
he said the song was not so much about the killer, but written during the
period of the killings and then fitting in strangely with what was going
on. Not sure though.

Which brings me to a question. Why don't we see a "what is this song about"
thread around here...have I missed it? I'll throw a few out for contemplation.

Hell in a Bucket....joan baez
Bertha.....a big fan (the kind with blades) used on stage
Wave to the wind...the guy we call smiley, I think he goes by another name.
you've all seen him at shows..smiling his way through
the crowd

Can some of you "in the know" oldtimers confirm or deny these tidbits?

Heller, Ira

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Nov 17, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/17/95
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Andrew C Robertson <dre...@mit.edu> lost as ever:

eck...@wharton.upenn.edu (Timothy Eckert) gave the following
instructions, which I followed as far as I could:

|> oh hell, let's make it easy for ya, put in Europe '72, any side.
|> Listen to it for a bit....partake in some sort of vice (your choice).
|> Step outside, take a walk around the block,

| I don't understand the directions after this point, as I seem to have
| forgotten where I live.

Sounds like Alzheimer's to me.

Regards, Ira. (Now Testing At Prozac)

HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND FOLKS!! SEE YOU ON THE FLIP SIDE.

Andrew C Robertson

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eck...@wharton.upenn.edu (Timothy Eckert) gave the following
instructions, which I followed as far as I could:

> oh hell, let's make it easy for ya, put in Europe '72, any side.
> Listen to it for a bit....partake in some sort of vice (your choice).
> Step outside, take a walk around the block,

I don't understand the directions after this point, as I seem to have
forgotten where I live.

drewbob Mazes Puzzle Neighborhood Trails Are Perplexing

Emily Bristor

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Nov 17, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/17/95
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"Wanna find a woman be good to me
won't hide my liquor try to serve me tea..."
(Easy Wind? Forgive my bad memory... I think it's on Bear's Choice)


Andrew Racevskis

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Nov 17, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/17/95
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uncle jeff puts it mildly:
: Ahhh, lads? Before we spend the next two weeks falling all over ourselves

: and duplicating efforts, may I point out that Deadbase enumerates this
: very information in great detail?

oh, but i know one! i know one!

it goes, um, something about drinking, aw hell, i forget now

--
shadow in the alley turned out all my lights
round and round and round and round


Connie Szeflinski

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Nov 17, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/17/95
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In article <48bv4t$8...@news2.delphi.com> LE...@news.delphi.com writes:

>
> Everyone knows that the songs of the Grateful Dead contain many
> references to cocaine, amphetamines, and other drugs. However, can
> anyone cite references to alcohol in their songs. (Ripple does not
> count).

Hmmm... many references to cocaine, etc.? try as i might, i cannot
come up with more than two coke references... Casey Jones and
Truckin'.. and both of these are very negative.

As for alcohol... well, check out the rest of this thread. Just from
the lyrics you'd think the Dead were more about alcohol than drugs of
any kind... and alcohol, unlike drugs, gets both positive and negative
treatment.

Your basic assumption (that the songs include many drug references)
tells me that you are not a deadhead... in fact you probably haven't
listened to any of their music. Your statement of "fact" comes from
some idiot in the media who doesn't have a clue what the music is
really about.

take care,
connie
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Connie Szeflinski Boulder, CO & Santa Cruz, CA USA con...@cozmic.com
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bob gard

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Nov 18, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/18/95
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The stanzas in Easy Wind that mention alcohol directly:

I been ballin' a shiny black stell jack-hammer,
been chippin' up rocks for the great highway,
Live five years if I take my time
Ballin' that jack and a drinkin' my wine.

I been chippin' them rocks from dawn till doom,
While my rider hide my bottle in the other room.
Doctor say better stop ballin' that jack,
If I live five years I gonna bust my back, yes I will.

Gotta find a woman be good to me,
Won't hide my liquor try to serve me tea,
Cause I'm a stone jack baller and my heart is true
And I'll give everything that I got to you, yes I will.

<<<<<<<<<<<<Indirect mention to alcohol????????????>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

...And the river keeps a talkin'
ut you never heard a word it say...
:)

Aiko,

bhob

James Dean Young

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Nov 19, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/19/95
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In article <molson.32...@ucla.edu>, mol...@ucla.edu (Marc Olson) wrote:

> >What is this about Ripple? There is no alcohol reference in the song...
>
> >James
>
>

> Ripple is a cheap ass wine made by Gallo. I don't even think it is made
> anymore. It is comperable to Boones, Thunderbird and Night Train.
>
> Later on
> Marc

I don't think Robert Hunter is talking about cheap ass wine in this
song...I believe he is talking about "Ripple in still water/when there is
no pebble tossed"...so take your beer goggles off and read the lyrics...

James ;)

Heather C-H.

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Nov 19, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/19/95
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de...@bga.com (James Dean Young) wrote:

Of course Ripple is about wine. And Terrapin Station is about a
basketball team and their locker room. New Potato Caboose is an excellent
recipe for cassarole, and if you play Althea backwards, you can clearly
hear Phil chanting "I buried Jack Straw". Get with the program, James!

Peace,

Heather C-H.


omea...@gold.tc.umn.edu

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Nov 19, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/19/95
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How about Pigpen substituting Whisky for water in Big Boss Man
"I just want a drink of Whisky"


Joseph Bento

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Nov 20, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/20/95
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jason woo <jas...@aimnet.com> wrote:


>*my girlfriend used to be a bartender in Palo Alto. She one made
>Raymuss(spelling?) gin fizzes for Jerry and his group. He ordered 4
>rounds and told the waiter to compliment the bartender; said they were
>the best gin fizzes he ever had. Jerry had time for 4 rounds, by she
>didn't have time to call me and tell he was there. Go figure...

My mom tells me she remembers a time back in the early 70's that a bar
she went to served a drink called Sugar Magnolia. (here in the SF Bay
Area... forgot to ask her where) Anyone else heard of this, and know
what its content is?

-Joe
_______________________________________________________
There is a road, no simple highway
Between the dawn and the dark of night
And if you go, no one may follow
That path is for your steps alone
Hunter/Garcia


Pierre Laik

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Nov 20, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/20/95
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macbe...@aol.com (MacBeth123) wrote:
> LE...@news.delphi.com writes:

>From Mexicali Polka, er, I mean Blues:
>"...instead I've got a bottle, and a girl who's just fourteen..."

Wait a minute..for all we know it could be a bottle of prune juice.

Pierre
pl...@dbc.com


wpa...@fish.washington.edu

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..knowing Bobby.

Luce...@aol.com

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|From: Rod Giffen <cqg!r...@uucp-1.csn.net>

|Subject: Re: alcohol references in gdead songs
|Date: 17 Nov 1995 20:29:21 GMT

Stuff about Zodiac Killer and Dire Wolf cut.

|Which brings me to a question. Why don't we see a "what is this song about"
|thread around here...have I missed it? I'll throw a few out for
contemplation.

| Hell in a Bucket....joan baez
| Bertha.....a big fan (the kind with blades) used on stage
| Wave to the wind...the guy we call smiley, I think he goes by another
name.
> you've all seen him at shows..smiling his way through
> the crowd

| Can some of you "in the know" oldtimers confirm or deny these tidbits?

I think the "smiley" guy is called Sharkey, as well. He walks through the
crowd smiling and waving--sort of a beauty queen wave, you know, it's all in
the wrist. He sells stickers, too.

Hell in a Bucket--Joan Baez????? You got me there.

Barbara

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Rod Giffen

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Luce...@aol.com wrote:

| I think the "smiley" guy is called Sharkey, as well. He walks through the
| crowd smiling and waving--sort of a beauty queen wave, you know, it's all in
| the wrist. He sells stickers, too.

That's him..Sharkey. I saw him walk from one side of the pavillion to the
other in Phoenix, but between rows rather than in an aisle. You know, just
like when your seat is smack dab in the middle and you've got to stumble over
a thousand feet to get out. Except I don't think he was leaving his seat.
Instead of facing the band on his way through, he turned around and gave that
great smile to every single person in the row face to face from about 6 inches.
OK, maybe not the whole row, but a lot of it anyway.

| Hell in a Bucket--Joan Baez????? You got me there.

I read something that she said regarding an aborted studio collaboration
with the Dead. The gist of it was that they were too stoned for her to work
with. Sometimes I can see Hell in a Bucket as a response of sorts.

Rod


DBaiser

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Nov 21, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/21/95
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instead i got a bottle and a girl thats just 14 and a damn good case of
the mexicali blues

Melissa

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Nov 21, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/21/95
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Here's another one:

"Couple shots of whiskey, women 'round here start lookin' good..."
"Couple shots of whiskey, I'm goin' down to Minglewood..."



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Dan Falk

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Nov 21, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/21/95
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"Half a cup of Rock and Rye"


Pierre Laik

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de...@bga.com (James Dean Young) wrote:

>I don't think Robert Hunter is talking about cheap ass wine in this
>song...I believe he is talking about "Ripple in still water/when there is
>no pebble tossed"...so take your beer goggles off and read the lyrics...
>
>James

And I thought it was about mixing wine and water!
Thanks for the insight, James; Hunter had us fooled all these years.

Pierre
pl...@dbc.com

David Lissick

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Nov 22, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/22/95
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Me and My Uncle Went to the barroom, ordered drinks for all.

GDTRFB Goin' where the water tastes like wine.

Hell in a Bucket I was drinking all night in the barroom.

Tennessee Jed Drink all day, gonna rock all night.

Tom Thumb's Blues Well I started out on Burgundy (Heineken, etc.) but
soon hit the harder stuff.

Candyman Hand me that ol' guitar, pass the whiskey round.

Alligator Called for his whiskey

In regards to the judgemental previous post on this subject, the Dead's
referrences to alcohol in their songs is numerous as noted by Deadbase.
I don't think that they glorify it or look down on it in any way. They
just realize it's one way of responding to the pressures of life. Just
my 2 pennies.

Luce...@aol.com

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Nov 22, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/22/95
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.From: de...@bga.com (James Dean Young)

|Subject: Re: alcohol references in gdead songs
|Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 08:26:19 -0600

|In article <molson.32...@ucla.edu>, mol...@ucla.edu (Marc Olson)
wrote:

|> >What is this about Ripple? There is no alcohol reference in the song...
|>
|> >James
| >
| >
|> Ripple is a cheap ass wine made by Gallo. I don't even think it is made
|> anymore. It is comperable to Boones, Thunderbird and Night Train.
|
| >Later on
| >Marc

|I don't think Robert Hunter is talking about cheap ass wine in this


|song...I believe he is talking about "Ripple in still water/when there is
|no pebble tossed"...so take your beer goggles off and read the lyrics...

|James ;)

;) I believe the original poster meant this as a play on words??!! ;) ;)

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David Dodd

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Nov 22, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/22/95
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On 22 Nov 1995 Luce...@aol.com wrote:

> |> >What is this about Ripple? There is no alcohol reference in the song...
> |>
> |> >James
> | >
> | >
> |> Ripple is a cheap ass wine made by Gallo. I don't even think it is made
> |> anymore. It is comperable to Boones, Thunderbird and Night Train.
> |
> | >Later on
> | >Marc

The song book with "Ripple" does show a wine bottle in the illustration
for the song. Always seemed kind of off to me...
--David
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Nov 22, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/22/95
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In article <48t8ap$f...@agate.berkeley.edu> Rod Giffen <cqg!r...@uucp-1.csn.net> writes:
>
>Luce...@aol.com wrote:
>
>| I think the "smiley" guy is called Sharkey, as well. He walks through the
>| crowd smiling and waving--sort of a beauty queen wave, you know, it's all in
>| the wrist. He sells stickers, too.
>
>That's him..Sharkey. I saw him walk from one side of the pavillion to the
>other in Phoenix, but between rows rather than in an aisle. You know, just
>like when your seat is smack dab in the middle and you've got to stumble over
>a thousand feet to get out. Except I don't think he was leaving his seat.
>Instead of facing the band on his way through, he turned around and gave that
>great smile to every single person in the row face to face from about 6 inches.
>OK, maybe not the whole row, but a lot of it anyway.

He was in our section in Vegas saturday, and yep he'd go clear across
a section in front of folks from one aisle to the other and back, and
I didn't see anyone complain. He had his picture taken with some folks that
were in front of us, they handed me their camera and I took it for them.

I wish now I'd taken my camera in that day, but after last year and all the
water spraying I wanted to enjoy the show instead of worrying about my
equipment.

Now I wish I'd taken it, who'd of thought it would be my last show with
Jerry.

You just never know.

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Luce...@aol.com

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Nov 23, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/23/95
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|From: Rod Giffen <cqg!r...@uucp-1.csn.net>

|Subject: Re: alcohol references in gdead songs
|Date: 21 Nov 1995 19:12:25 GMT


|| Hell in a Bucket--Joan Baez????? You got me there.

|I read something that she said regarding an aborted studio collaboration
|with the Dead. The gist of it was that they were too stoned for her to work
|with. Sometimes I can see Hell in a Bucket as a response of sorts.

Good grief! You mean there's something out there that I haven't read??!!
Thanks for the tip. I can see "Hell in a Bucket" that way. It'll add that
extra little touch of enjoyment for me. :)

(I do like Joan's early folk albums, and I like her too. Joan Baez was my
introduction to the 60's--back there in 1961, just out of high school. Went
from her to Dylan to ...well, we know where I ended up. :)

Rod

Kent Stewart

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>>>From Mexicali Polka, er, I mean Blues:
>>>"...instead I've got a bottle, and a girl who's just fourteen..."
>>
>>Wait a minute..for all we know it could be a bottle of prune juice.

Oh come on! The context is clearly stated with "keep a tight grip on
your booze."

It's just part of the desolation of the image, the deromanticization
of the outlaw/desperado life-in-exile motif.


cheers,
--bongo

Finario

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Nov 29, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/29/95
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in okie from muskogee
"white lightening still the biggest thrill of all"

in me n my uncle
"ordered drinks for all"
"west texas cowboys, all loaded down, liquor and money"

Finario

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Nov 29, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/29/95
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regarding discussion about alcohol references. I have an old vinyl
record circa 1971 on Sunflower Records, an off brand of Warner Bros,
enitled "Vintage Dead" which is a live recording from "66 (I think 9-16 at
Avalon.) It includes a tasty version of Pig Pen singing "Baby Blue."
Midnight Hour etc. Getting around to the point, the cover among other
things has a bottle of ripple wine one it.
I bought the record in the cutout bin of a Kmart store in Virginia and
treasure it. Still sound great after all these years. If anyone else has
it I would like to her your comments.

Pierre Laik

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Hey Bongo, I was being a little facetious in regard to the prune juice..
..but wait..on the other hand prune juice could be a great factor in
the deromanticization of the outlaw/desperado image (picture the
constipated outlaw reaching for his juice), along with head cheese
souffle, I guess.

Pierre
pl...@dbc.com

Michael Wheeler

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add.......going down the road

weary flake

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Nov 27, 2020, 1:12:27 AM11/27/20
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The Mexicali Blues song is alarming, and another note that
alcohol is associated with child molestation and Sex Tourism.

Are there any more anti-alcohol songs in the Dead but Wharf Rat
that I'm forgetting about?

Band Beyond You

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weary flake <weary...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> The Mexicali Blues song is alarming, and another note that
> alcohol is associated with child molestation and Sex Tourism.
>

We know that there are these unpleasant associations with your unsavory
past that keep cropping up in your posts, but for your (and our) sake, just
join a Wharf Rats group somewhere, would ya?


the Felonious Kidd

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I don't know man, s/he/they/it could be onto something.
Exhibit A:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH-cPckntEY

yoker56

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So "Michael Wheeler" why did you dig up an old rec.music.gdead thread that's been dead
for a quarter-century?
Was the subject matter interesting or did you have something new to add to this thread?
Or was it just too much fecal matter on rmgd?

The name "Bongo" as in Bongo Goldstone sure rings up memories.
I wonder how many folks who contributed to this thread are still around and using
other screen names?
I wonder how many are still alive?
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