> LE...@news.delphi.com (LE...@DELPHI.COM) wrote:
> >Everyone knows that the songs of the Grateful Dead contain many
> >references to cocaine, amphetamines, and other drugs. However, can
> >anyone cite references to alcohol in their songs. (Ripple does not
> >count).
> >
Hey Leon, are you a fool who never listens to the Dead? Oh, of course
you're not...it seems that you HAVE listened to Casey Jones. After that
song, references to specific drugs are scarce, except of course alcohol,
for which there are many.
What is this about Ripple? There is no alcohol reference in the song...
James
>Everyone knows that the songs of the Grateful Dead contain many
>references to cocaine, amphetamines, and other drugs. However, can
>anyone cite references to alcohol in their songs. (Ripple does not
>count).
There are probably many more, but some that come to mind instantly
are:
Brown Eyed Women: (..and red grenadine, the bottle was dusty but the
liqour was clean...)
Mexicalli Blues (thinkin and drinkin are all I have today)
Big Boss Man (Wanna little drink of whiskey...sure won't let me stop)
The Loser (Never touch hard liqour just a cup of cold coffee).
And of course, the seminal song about alcohol is Wharf Rat, although
alcohol is not mentioned, it is interpreted by many as a song about
the effects of alcoholism, as told through the eyes of one (or two,
depending on your point of view) alchoholic(s) "down by the docks of
the city."
We can share the women, we can share the wine
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I realize that there are no lyrics, but isn't "Beer Barrel Polka" a drinking
song?
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"Listen to the river sing sweet songs,
to rock my soul..."
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RIP Jerry...
Brown eyed women: Daddy made whiskey and he made it well
Greatest Story: I asked him for water, he poured me some wine/We
finished the bottle and broke into mine
and the "rock and rye" references in Mississippi Half Step
tom
*my girlfriend used to be a bartender in Palo Alto. She one made
Raymuss(spelling?) gin fizzes for Jerry and his group. He ordered 4
rounds and told the waiter to compliment the bartender; said they were
the best gin fizzes he ever had. Jerry had time for 4 rounds, by she
didn't have time to call me and tell he was there. Go figure...
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& another Pigpen tune that who's title slips my mind says something about
his 'woman' trying to serve him tea, instead of whiskey.
And I only heard Broken Arrow for the first time today, but isen't there a
line in there about 'who'll pour wine?'
ALC
But there are lyrics, just The Dead never sang the tune.
"Roll out the barrel,
we'll have a barrel of fun."
or
"Roll out the orange barrels,
we'll smile and laugh like monkeys in a barrle having fun." :-) :-)
Remember when everything was orange:-)
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>Hey Leon, are you a fool who never listens to the Dead?
>What is this about Ripple? There is no alcohol reference in the song...
>
>James
You may be the fool on this one, James...unless you were being sarcastic.
.and whatever happened to your "peace" greeting??
Pierre
pl...@dbc.com
This is what I meant. Sorry, could have been more specific. Thanks for
clearing that up :-)
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From Mexicali Polka, er, I mean Blues:
"...instead I've got a bottle, and a girl who's just fourteen..."
Bether
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The compass always points to Terrapin!
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"Brown Eyed Women and red grenadine,
the bottle was dusty, but the liquer was clean" ?
-Ray
Really? How about "the other half found me/
stumbling around/
drunk on burgundy wine."
Mitch
Hard to Handle
"try to find a woman be good to me, won't hide my liquor,
serve me tea..."
Hell In a Bucket
"you imagine me sippin' champagne from your boot for a taste
of your elegant pride...
and
Wharf Rat
come to mind......I'm sure there are more
jakes
"dizzy aint the word for the way your making me feel now.."
>James
Ripple is a cheap ass wine made by Gallo. I don't even think it is made
anymore. It is comperable to Boones, Thunderbird and Night Train.
Later on
Marc
> "I can tell the queen of diamonds by the way she shines"
> "Where all the *pages* are my days"
> "Alice D. Millionaire"
>
> Any others?
*All* of "Doin' that Rag"?
Mitch
please add to the list.
john
>In article <48c6m4$n...@news2.aimnet.com>, jason woo <jas...@aimnet.com> wrote:
>> LE...@news.delphi.com (LE...@DELPHI.COM) wrote:
>> >Everyone knows that the songs of the Grateful Dead contain many
>> >references to cocaine, amphetamines, and other drugs. However, can
>> >anyone cite references to alcohol in their songs. (Ripple does not
>> >count).
>> >
>Hey Leon, are you a fool who never listens to the Dead? Oh, of course
>you're not...it seems that you HAVE listened to Casey Jones. After that
>song, references to specific drugs are scarce, except of course alcohol,
>for which there are many.
>What is this about Ripple? There is no alcohol reference in the song...
>James
Was it not said before? James Dean Young Sucks. Ripple is the name for a
brand of alcohol. It's wine or somethin'....kinda like Nighttrain, is
Nighttrain, and MD 20/20 is, well, wine...anyhow...the point was that there
really isn't that much of an alcohol reference in the song....unless you
happen to have a pint of Ripple to share...
As for no other drug references....hmmm.....put in, oh hell, let's make it
easy for ya, put in Europe '72, any side. Listen to it for a bit....partake
in some sort of vice (your choice). Step outside, take a walk around the
block, come back in, listen to the music again, then step up to your
computer....now, please list drug references here, some may be obscure, but
when you share, then everyone knows:
I'm goin' to get my coffee....
PLH,
Tim
> I sat down to my supper, 'twas a bottle of red whiskey...
> -Dire Wolf
Ahhh, lads? Before we spend the next two weeks falling all over ourselves
and duplicating efforts, may I point out that Deadbase enumerates this
very information in great detail?
.tiedrich
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"Hand me my old guitar, pass the whiskey round
won't you tell everybody you meet that the candyman's in town "
Wharf Rat in general.
Dire Wolf : Sat down to my supper 'twas a bottle of red whiskey
Will
Man, some people really have no sense of humor. Oh, by the way, Stella
Blue is rumored to be about heroin, Truckin' refers to getting busted (and
I bet it wasn't for beer), and I'll leave you with one last thought...
"We'll show you a high time tonight"
Anyone think of any other DRUG references?
Heather C-H.
"went down to the barroom, ordered drinks for all"
| In rec.music.gdead Jon <jp...@bethelks.edu> said:
|
|
| >Isn't the Dire Wolf alcoholism?
| >
|
| No. Its about the Zodiac killer.
|
There is an interview with Jerry out there, I can't remember if I
heard it or read it, where he discusses this subject. I thought that
he said the song was not so much about the killer, but written during the
period of the killings and then fitting in strangely with what was going
on. Not sure though.
Which brings me to a question. Why don't we see a "what is this song about"
thread around here...have I missed it? I'll throw a few out for contemplation.
Hell in a Bucket....joan baez
Bertha.....a big fan (the kind with blades) used on stage
Wave to the wind...the guy we call smiley, I think he goes by another name.
you've all seen him at shows..smiling his way through
the crowd
Can some of you "in the know" oldtimers confirm or deny these tidbits?
eck...@wharton.upenn.edu (Timothy Eckert) gave the following
instructions, which I followed as far as I could:
|> oh hell, let's make it easy for ya, put in Europe '72, any side.
|> Listen to it for a bit....partake in some sort of vice (your choice).
|> Step outside, take a walk around the block,
| I don't understand the directions after this point, as I seem to have
| forgotten where I live.
Sounds like Alzheimer's to me.
Regards, Ira. (Now Testing At Prozac)
HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND FOLKS!! SEE YOU ON THE FLIP SIDE.
> oh hell, let's make it easy for ya, put in Europe '72, any side.
> Listen to it for a bit....partake in some sort of vice (your choice).
> Step outside, take a walk around the block,
I don't understand the directions after this point, as I seem to have
forgotten where I live.
drewbob Mazes Puzzle Neighborhood Trails Are Perplexing
oh, but i know one! i know one!
it goes, um, something about drinking, aw hell, i forget now
--
shadow in the alley turned out all my lights
round and round and round and round
>
> Everyone knows that the songs of the Grateful Dead contain many
> references to cocaine, amphetamines, and other drugs. However, can
> anyone cite references to alcohol in their songs. (Ripple does not
> count).
Hmmm... many references to cocaine, etc.? try as i might, i cannot
come up with more than two coke references... Casey Jones and
Truckin'.. and both of these are very negative.
As for alcohol... well, check out the rest of this thread. Just from
the lyrics you'd think the Dead were more about alcohol than drugs of
any kind... and alcohol, unlike drugs, gets both positive and negative
treatment.
Your basic assumption (that the songs include many drug references)
tells me that you are not a deadhead... in fact you probably haven't
listened to any of their music. Your statement of "fact" comes from
some idiot in the media who doesn't have a clue what the music is
really about.
take care,
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I been ballin' a shiny black stell jack-hammer,
been chippin' up rocks for the great highway,
Live five years if I take my time
Ballin' that jack and a drinkin' my wine.
I been chippin' them rocks from dawn till doom,
While my rider hide my bottle in the other room.
Doctor say better stop ballin' that jack,
If I live five years I gonna bust my back, yes I will.
Gotta find a woman be good to me,
Won't hide my liquor try to serve me tea,
Cause I'm a stone jack baller and my heart is true
And I'll give everything that I got to you, yes I will.
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...And the river keeps a talkin'
ut you never heard a word it say...
:)
Aiko,
bhob
> >What is this about Ripple? There is no alcohol reference in the song...
>
> >James
>
>
> Ripple is a cheap ass wine made by Gallo. I don't even think it is made
> anymore. It is comperable to Boones, Thunderbird and Night Train.
>
> Later on
> Marc
I don't think Robert Hunter is talking about cheap ass wine in this
song...I believe he is talking about "Ripple in still water/when there is
no pebble tossed"...so take your beer goggles off and read the lyrics...
James ;)
Of course Ripple is about wine. And Terrapin Station is about a
basketball team and their locker room. New Potato Caboose is an excellent
recipe for cassarole, and if you play Althea backwards, you can clearly
hear Phil chanting "I buried Jack Straw". Get with the program, James!
Peace,
Heather C-H.
>*my girlfriend used to be a bartender in Palo Alto. She one made
>Raymuss(spelling?) gin fizzes for Jerry and his group. He ordered 4
>rounds and told the waiter to compliment the bartender; said they were
>the best gin fizzes he ever had. Jerry had time for 4 rounds, by she
>didn't have time to call me and tell he was there. Go figure...
My mom tells me she remembers a time back in the early 70's that a bar
she went to served a drink called Sugar Magnolia. (here in the SF Bay
Area... forgot to ask her where) Anyone else heard of this, and know
what its content is?
-Joe
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Between the dawn and the dark of night
And if you go, no one may follow
That path is for your steps alone
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>From Mexicali Polka, er, I mean Blues:
>"...instead I've got a bottle, and a girl who's just fourteen..."
Wait a minute..for all we know it could be a bottle of prune juice.
Pierre
pl...@dbc.com
..knowing Bobby.
Stuff about Zodiac Killer and Dire Wolf cut.
|Which brings me to a question. Why don't we see a "what is this song about"
|thread around here...have I missed it? I'll throw a few out for
contemplation.
| Hell in a Bucket....joan baez
| Bertha.....a big fan (the kind with blades) used on stage
| Wave to the wind...the guy we call smiley, I think he goes by another
name.
> you've all seen him at shows..smiling his way through
> the crowd
| Can some of you "in the know" oldtimers confirm or deny these tidbits?
I think the "smiley" guy is called Sharkey, as well. He walks through the
crowd smiling and waving--sort of a beauty queen wave, you know, it's all in
the wrist. He sells stickers, too.
Hell in a Bucket--Joan Baez????? You got me there.
Barbara
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| I think the "smiley" guy is called Sharkey, as well. He walks through the
| crowd smiling and waving--sort of a beauty queen wave, you know, it's all in
| the wrist. He sells stickers, too.
That's him..Sharkey. I saw him walk from one side of the pavillion to the
other in Phoenix, but between rows rather than in an aisle. You know, just
like when your seat is smack dab in the middle and you've got to stumble over
a thousand feet to get out. Except I don't think he was leaving his seat.
Instead of facing the band on his way through, he turned around and gave that
great smile to every single person in the row face to face from about 6 inches.
OK, maybe not the whole row, but a lot of it anyway.
| Hell in a Bucket--Joan Baez????? You got me there.
I read something that she said regarding an aborted studio collaboration
with the Dead. The gist of it was that they were too stoned for her to work
with. Sometimes I can see Hell in a Bucket as a response of sorts.
Rod
"Couple shots of whiskey, women 'round here start lookin' good..."
"Couple shots of whiskey, I'm goin' down to Minglewood..."
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>I don't think Robert Hunter is talking about cheap ass wine in this
>song...I believe he is talking about "Ripple in still water/when there is
>no pebble tossed"...so take your beer goggles off and read the lyrics...
>
>James
And I thought it was about mixing wine and water!
Thanks for the insight, James; Hunter had us fooled all these years.
Pierre
pl...@dbc.com
GDTRFB Goin' where the water tastes like wine.
Hell in a Bucket I was drinking all night in the barroom.
Tennessee Jed Drink all day, gonna rock all night.
Tom Thumb's Blues Well I started out on Burgundy (Heineken, etc.) but
soon hit the harder stuff.
Candyman Hand me that ol' guitar, pass the whiskey round.
Alligator Called for his whiskey
In regards to the judgemental previous post on this subject, the Dead's
referrences to alcohol in their songs is numerous as noted by Deadbase.
I don't think that they glorify it or look down on it in any way. They
just realize it's one way of responding to the pressures of life. Just
my 2 pennies.
|In article <molson.32...@ucla.edu>, mol...@ucla.edu (Marc Olson)
wrote:
|> >What is this about Ripple? There is no alcohol reference in the song...
|>
|> >James
| >
| >
|> Ripple is a cheap ass wine made by Gallo. I don't even think it is made
|> anymore. It is comperable to Boones, Thunderbird and Night Train.
|
| >Later on
| >Marc
|I don't think Robert Hunter is talking about cheap ass wine in this
|song...I believe he is talking about "Ripple in still water/when there is
|no pebble tossed"...so take your beer goggles off and read the lyrics...
|James ;)
;) I believe the original poster meant this as a play on words??!! ;) ;)
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> |> >What is this about Ripple? There is no alcohol reference in the song...
> |>
> |> >James
> | >
> | >
> |> Ripple is a cheap ass wine made by Gallo. I don't even think it is made
> |> anymore. It is comperable to Boones, Thunderbird and Night Train.
> |
> | >Later on
> | >Marc
The song book with "Ripple" does show a wine bottle in the illustration
for the song. Always seemed kind of off to me...
--David
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He was in our section in Vegas saturday, and yep he'd go clear across
a section in front of folks from one aisle to the other and back, and
I didn't see anyone complain. He had his picture taken with some folks that
were in front of us, they handed me their camera and I took it for them.
I wish now I'd taken my camera in that day, but after last year and all the
water spraying I wanted to enjoy the show instead of worrying about my
equipment.
Now I wish I'd taken it, who'd of thought it would be my last show with
Jerry.
You just never know.
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|| Hell in a Bucket--Joan Baez????? You got me there.
|I read something that she said regarding an aborted studio collaboration
|with the Dead. The gist of it was that they were too stoned for her to work
|with. Sometimes I can see Hell in a Bucket as a response of sorts.
Good grief! You mean there's something out there that I haven't read??!!
Thanks for the tip. I can see "Hell in a Bucket" that way. It'll add that
extra little touch of enjoyment for me. :)
(I do like Joan's early folk albums, and I like her too. Joan Baez was my
introduction to the 60's--back there in 1961, just out of high school. Went
from her to Dylan to ...well, we know where I ended up. :)
Rod
>>>From Mexicali Polka, er, I mean Blues:
>>>"...instead I've got a bottle, and a girl who's just fourteen..."
>>
>>Wait a minute..for all we know it could be a bottle of prune juice.
Oh come on! The context is clearly stated with "keep a tight grip on
your booze."
It's just part of the desolation of the image, the deromanticization
of the outlaw/desperado life-in-exile motif.
cheers,
--bongo
in me n my uncle
"ordered drinks for all"
"west texas cowboys, all loaded down, liquor and money"
Hey Bongo, I was being a little facetious in regard to the prune juice..
..but wait..on the other hand prune juice could be a great factor in
the deromanticization of the outlaw/desperado image (picture the
constipated outlaw reaching for his juice), along with head cheese
souffle, I guess.
Pierre
pl...@dbc.com