Repeat Offenders video
volkfolk
really love some feedback on this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2BlFOvacdc
Scot
Rogues Island's finest
Sounds great. Do you guys know any Phish songs?
Mark
Ken Fortenberry
Needs more cow bell.
--
Ken Fortenberry
DGDevin
Does the lighting tech charge by the color? ;^)
Dave Kelly
"volkfolk" <volk...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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I'm sorta confused...did you guys video tape this
in the hope of getting gigs?
JimK
Sweetbac will post his review shortly. You may regret the feedback
request.
JimK
volkfolk
> On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:05:44 -0700 (PDT), volkfolk
>
> >We've got our first video up from our gig at The Beachcomber. I'd
> >really love some feedback on this.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2BlFOvacdc
>
> >Scot
>
> Sweetbac will post his review shortly. You may regret the feedback
> request.
>
> JimK
I'll take it with the grain of salt that it so richly deserves.
Scot
volkfolk
> "volkfolk" <volkfo...@verizon.net> wrote in message
So what have YOU done lately? Besides sing showtunes in those white Go
Go boots that is?
Scot
volkfolk
LOL. It's a classic Irish bar in Boston. I was pleasantly surprised to
find that they
A) Had an actual stage
B) Had ANY lights at all
Scot
Dave Kelly
> So what have YOU done lately? Besides sing showtunes in those white Go
> Go boots that is?
> Scot
Oh man...I DONT mean to playa hate!
It's just that you keep going on about this, and
it's SOO ridiculously lame...
where to start?.....where to start?....
The harmonica player?....that doesn't make you squirm?
Astonished...no....Flabbergasted!
DGDevin
>> I'm sorta confused...did you guys video tape this
>> in the hope of getting gigs?
>
> So what have YOU done lately?
I guessed you missed his recent HBO special, "Same Old Jokes But Still No
Cover Charge: A Sweetbreads Retrospective."
Sweetbread's bits are like McDonalds, it's never going to get any better but
at least you know just what you're going to get.
Dave Kelly
"DGDoofus" <dgd...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> I guessed you missed his recent HBO special, "Same Old Jokes But Still No
> Cover Charge: A Sweetbreads Retrospective."
>
> Sweetbread's bits are like McDonalds, it's never going to get any better
> but
Crazy as this sounds, I'm starting to warm up to you, Doof!
sure, comedy isn't your forte...as the above post makes painfully
clear...but there's something about you that makes me...oh...smile!
<Blushes>
volkfolk
> "volkfolk" <volkfo...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:5ff1b8ae-c56e-4a3f...@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > So what have YOU done lately? Besides sing showtunes in those white Go
> > Go boots that is?
> > Scot
>
> Oh man...I DONT mean to playa hate!
> It's just that you keep going on about this, and
> it's SOO ridiculously lame...
> where to start?.....where to start?....
> The harmonica player?....that doesn't make you squirm?
Not in the slightest.
> Astonished...no....Flabbergasted!
Those who can't do teach. Those who can't teach critique.
HTH,
Scot
Octopus Ride
Not in the slightest.
> Astonished...no....Flabbergasted!
***********************************************************************************
Not meant as a critique, more of a joke.
Did you notice what the first related video off to the side was?
Part 1 - Noise Ordinance Amendment, Moscow City Council
Yup, a video of the Moscow City Council debating a noise ordinance! Maybe
you should turn it down a notch.............
OR
volkfolk
> "volkfolk" <volkfo...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:06bbe77a-fd91-49e2...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 25, 6:52 pm, "Dave Kelly" <sweet...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > "volkfolk" <volkfo...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:5ff1b8ae-c56e-4a3f...@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > So what have YOU done lately? Besides sing showtunes in those white Go
> > > Go boots that is?
> > > Scot
>
> > Oh man...I DONT mean to playa hate!
> > It's just that you keep going on about this, and
> > it's SOO ridiculously lame...
> > where to start?.....where to start?....
> > The harmonica player?....that doesn't make you squirm?
>
> Not in the slightest.
>
> > Astonished...no....Flabbergasted!
>
> Those who can't do teach. Those who can't teach critique.
>
>
> Not meant as a critique, more of a joke.
> Did you notice what the first related video off to the side was?
>
> Part 1 - Noise Ordinance Amendment, Moscow City Council
>
> Yup, a video of the Moscow City Council debating a noise ordinance! Maybe
> you should turn it down a notch.............
>
> OR
Yeah, I did notice that. I don't know how the videos are organized,
but I thought it was a rather odd collection of videos
Scot
DGDevin
> Crazy as this sounds, I'm starting to warm up to you, Doof!
> sure, comedy isn't your forte...as the above post makes painfully
> clear...but there's something about you that makes me...oh...smile!
> <Blushes>
Hey, got you off discussin' yo bidness in de mock ebonix, that's something
at least.
<wretches>
Neil X.
Have you ever considered becoming an instrumental band?
Peace,
Neil X.
Seth Buttock
Ok, you regularly advertise your band here, post links, music, and now
a video. You posted it saying you wanted feedback. You got some, and
this is your response? Hate to break it to you, that tune was not all
that good. It sounded like a million other bar bands in small towns.
Glad you enjoy playing your music, that's great! Gonna post it
repeatedly to the internet and ask for feedback? Get ready to hear
some criticism, cause that band was seriously mediocre.
In the words of Simon Cowell, "That was...awful! I felt like I was in
a cinder block tavern in Peshtigo Wisconsin or something. I mean, the
harmonica was like a dying animal of some sort for god's sake, and the
band had as much charisma as a group of paint salesman, not to mention
the obvious lack of any real, exciting, interesting musical ideas.
Boring, boring, boring."
HTH
volkfolk
>
> - Show quoted text -
Dude,
If you think that I take Sweetbac seriously one way or another you
really necd to get over yourself. I don't think that were anything
more than what we are. We have fun, and that's all I really care
about. I EXPECT Sweetbac to say exactly what he said.
So far as your opinion. Sorry we're not your cup of tea. The audience
had fun, and so did we
Scot
volkfolk
And your opinion is about what I would expect from someone with the
name Buttock
Scot
Dave Kelly
"DGDoofus" <dgd...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> Hey, got you off discussin' yo bidness in de mock ebonix, that's something
> at least.
> <wretches>
<Blushes>
JerseyMike
>
> LOL. It's a classic Irish bar in Boston. I was pleasantly surprised to
> find that they
>
> A) Had an actual stage
> B) Had ANY lights at all
>
> Scot
The last time I was in Boston I got drunk at the "Cheers" pub. I was
pleasantly surpised to find that
A) My girlfriend liked to drive 90 mph in the pouring rain.
B) I actually made it home alive.
Definitely more cowbell.
Cheers
The Iron Muffin
#I laughed...I cried...it was better than The Last Waltz.#
You guys have a good sound.. That's a great song, played with
style and enthusiasm. It shows both excellent taste in material
and an abundance of talent.
Well done.
--
The Iron Muffin
DEAD FREAKS UNITE
Who are you? Where are you?
How are you?
The Iron Muffin
> volkfolk wrote:
> > We've got our first video up from our gig at The Beachcomber. I'd
> > really love some feedback on this.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2BlFOvacdc
>
> Have you ever considered becoming an instrumental band?
Turn up that guy with the electric guitar.
shimmy
address.> wrote:
>
> Turn up that guy with the electric guitar.
>
volkfolk
No but we have considered doing nothing but Dylan and Phil Lesh
covers.......
Scot
TNKev
> We've got our first video up from our gig at The Beachcomber. I'd
> really love some feedback on this.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2BlFOvacdc
>
> Scot
ROCKS! I like it,looks like y'all were havin' a good time! :-D
Randy G
I like the song, so I enjoyed it. Not that I get out much though.
I would definitely enjoy it if I was at the bar that night, but
wouldn't go there to see them particularly.
I agree, the harmonica needs work. Same with the backup vocalist.
Which one are you? Sorry, I haven't followed the music threads.
But if you're having fun and the crowd is as well, that's all that
matters. If you're looking for a recording contract, that's a
different story.
It's not often I can see someone do Changes, what are some of the
other tunes you guys know?
Either way, it looks like you guys are having fun and can play pretty
good. Does that acoustic guitar guy play acoustic all night? For some
reason to me, it doesn't seem to fit.
Seth Buttock
You did take him seriously enough to get snippy about getting the
feedback you asked for and din't like.
I don't think that were anything
> more than what we are. We have fun, and that's all I really care
> about. I EXPECT Sweetbac to say exactly what he said.
>
> So far as your opinion. Sorry we're not your cup of tea. The audience
> had fun, and so did we
Good for you and good for them. If you don't "care" about people's
feedback then why did you ask for it? Or did you mean to ask for
"positive feedback"?
>
> Scot- Hide quoted text -
Seth Buttock
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yeah, you're not taking it all seriously at all. It's bad form to
ask for feedback and then whine and lash out at the feedback you don't
like. I'll pass on your concerns at the next Buttock family reunion,
genius.
TNKev
feedback is one thing and insults are another.
> I'll pass on your concerns at the next Buttock family reunion,
> genius.
there was a Buttock reunion in my bathroom this morning! HAHAHA!
Carlisle
> We've got our first video up from our gig at The Beachcomber. I'd
> really love some feedback on this.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2BlFOvacdc
>
> Scot
Scot, I think you guys should consider a female singer, one that also
could utililize a tamborine. Donna Jean is still doing her thing.
JamBase says "no current shows scheduled for this artist". It's not
out of the realm of possibility. And she could kick you all up to
satellite radio kind of exposure.
http://www.jambase.com/Artists/Artist.aspx?artistID=30700
~
JerseyMike
>
> Scot, I think you guys should consider a female singer, one that also
> could utililize a tamborine. Donna Jean is still doing her thing.
> JamBase says "no current shows scheduled for this artist". It's not
> out of the realm of possibility. And she could kick you all up to
> satellite radio kind of exposure.http://www.jambase.com/Artists/Artist.aspx?artistID=30700
>
> ~
LOL. Yeah..I'm sure Donna and Scot's agent are working out the details
of this collaboration behind the scenes. A female lead singer doing
Dead and Dylan covers might be refreshing. Good idea!
Cheers
volkfolk
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
No what I asked for was feedback, not dickhead insulting feedback. If
I wanted that I would have emailed it to Simon Cowl. I'm all for
constructive critiques. Hearing that you thought it sucked isn't
constructive, it's just insulting.
Yeah we're a bar band. We're lucky if we get to rehearse more than
once a week. That song wasn't rehearsed at all. It was done for Buddy
Miles who had died that day.
So far as Dave Kelly, he's one of the most consistently funny people
on this ng, I expected exactly what I got from him. Go check his
posting history regarding pretty much anything and my responses to
him. So while you might think that my response to him was whining, it
was actually just giving him some shit back. (Hence the White Go Go
Boots comment-if you actually read this NG on a regular basis you
might even get the joke)
Anyway, as I point out early, Buttock would seem to be a perfect name
for you.
HTH
Scot
Seth Buttock
HTH,
Scot "
I was just pointing out the irony of such a response from someone
requesting feedback; whilst also taking one for the team and pointing
out what many readers are thinking when they see yet another post
looking for attention for your band. I realize you have a need for
the praise, and I am so terribly sorry I couldn't provide it. Here's
some constructive criticism: continue having fun with your band,
playing music is fun. Your band is mediocre. Asking for feedback on
the internet and posting myspace links for a mediocre band is going to
result in people who are Buttocks giving you dickhead insulting
feedback. That is the nature of the internet. Develop a thicker skin
and stop whining, or stop asking for feeback and using the internet to
blog about your music career.
Pre-emptive freedom of speech argument rebuttal : No, I'm not saying
you don't have a right to post what you want, that all of rmgd isn't
your close personal friends, that I'm not an asshole. I'm just
sayin'.....
HTH, IAAMBBATMPWYPII, Arguing on the internet special olympics blah
blah, blah, NTTAWWT, You're a fuckin' moron, Iceland, mules,
jizzmoppers, etc. etc. etc.
Ken Fortenberry
>
> No what I asked for was feedback, not dickhead insulting feedback. If
> I wanted that I would have emailed it to Simon Cowl. I'm all for
> constructive critiques. Hearing that you thought it sucked isn't
> constructive, it's just insulting.
You ask for feedback, you got some and now you want to whine
about it ? If you want a professional evaluation of your band
send a tape to a professional and pay the fee. If you want
free feedback from Usenet don't whine about it when you get
what you pay for.
If I walked into a bar and that band was playing I'd turn
around on my heel and get the hell out of Dodge. So sorry if
that's not "constructive" enough for you. Oh, wait just a sec.
Tune your guitars *before* you start to play. There, that was
me being "constructive".
HTH
--
Ken Fortenberry
Rogues Island's finest
Well, I think this is going very well so far.
Mark
LP
Was that Trey Anastasio with the Stratocaster?
He roolz.
LP
volkfolk
Whatever. What do you want from me, consistency?
> whilst also taking one for the team and pointing
> out what many readers are thinking when they see yet another post
> looking for attention for your band. I realize you have a need for
> the praise,
Whch makes me pretty much like every other person who has ever gotten
up on a stage and done any kind of performance. Thanks for
enlightening me about something that I am already aware of.
> and I am so terribly sorry I couldn't provide it. Here's
> some constructive criticism: continue having fun with your band,
> playing music is fun. Your band is mediocre. Asking for feedback on
> the internet and posting myspace links for a mediocre band is going to
> result in people who are Buttocks giving you dickhead insulting
> feedback. That is the nature of the internet. Develop a thicker skin
> and stop whining, or stop asking for feeback and using the internet to
> blog about your music career.
My skin is plenty thick. I've dealt with far more insulting things
than the worst you can toss at me
HTH,
Scot
Seth Buttock
And you do it with such aplomb and grace.
Octopus Ride
"Rogues Island's finest" <mth...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Well, I think this is going very well so far.
I know I'll never be posting nude photos of myself here.
OR
Brad Greer
I think we're all glad to hear that.
volkfolk
> Well, I can't play, teach, or even critique.
> I like the song, so I enjoyed it. Not that I get out much though.
Cool, That's all I could ever hope for.
> I would definitely enjoy it if I was at the bar that night, but
> wouldn't go there to see them particularly.
>
> I agree, the harmonica needs work. Same with the backup vocalist.
> Which one are you? Sorry, I haven't followed the music threads.
I'm the one with the Strat.
> But if you're having fun and the crowd is as well, that's all that
> matters. If you're looking for a recording contract, that's a
> different story.
It's a nice pipe dream, but I am certainly a realist. I have no
illusions about any recording contracts or being a rock star. I'd be
happy to play out a couple of nights a week, or to be in a working
General Business band.
> It's not often I can see someone do Changes, what are some of the
> other tunes you guys know?
Buddy Miles had died that morning, we did it as a last minute off the
cuff, no rehearsal tribute to Buddy.
> Either way, it looks like you guys are having fun and can play pretty
> good. Does that acoustic guitar guy play acoustic all night? For some
> reason to me, it doesn't seem to fit.
Cal is my best friend. He drives an 18 wheeler cross country. He and I
have been playing together for over 20 years. He's also a pretty good
songwriter IMO. He's been writing songs for as long as I can remember.
Here is a video of one of his songs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHtpkHHs2m8
He paid for me to accompany him to Jorma's Fur Peace Ranch, and in
turn I have been doing whatever I can to repay him. Part of repaying
him for his generosity was getting him this gig and putting together a
band to back him up doing a set of his originals. "Changes" and
"Stone Free" were the only two covers that we did that evening. I
taught the band his songs and we did the gig with pretty much no full
band rehearsal. Everything that we played that night was the first
time we had all played together. We videotaped it to document it for
ourselves with the hope that we got something good enough to use for
some sort of promotional purpose
It definitely had it's rough moments. but it was a really fun evening.
Any rough spots come from the fact that the five of us had never all
played together before.
"Them Changes" was a spur of the moment call because of Buddy's
passing
Anyhow, thanks for listening, and thanks for the feedback.
Scot
volkfolk
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it
Scot
volkfolk
Sure, just stick the knife in and twist it around........
Scot
Octopus Ride
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And I had you pegged as one of the few who would appreciate
them................
OR
Randy G
> It's a nice pipe dream, but I am certainly a realist. I have no
> illusions about any recording contracts or being a rock star. I'd be
> happy to play out a couple of nights a week, or to be in a working
> General Business band.
Then you are ahead of a lot of artists - follow what you enjoy. Keep
up the good work. A lot of people are wishing they could be in a band,
but never get the chance.
> Buddy Miles had died that morning, we did it as a last minute off the
> cuff, no rehearsal tribute to Buddy.
>
I didn't know that was the first time that was played, unrehearsed. I
definitely think it turned out good. I like the guy's video too.
volkfolk
> On Mar 26, 6:52 pm, volkfolk <volkfo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > It's a nice pipe dream, but I am certainly a realist. I have no
> > illusions about any recording contracts or being a rock star. I'd be
> > happy to play out a couple of nights a week, or to be in a working
> > General Business band.
>
> Then you are ahead of a lot of artists - follow what you enjoy. Keep
> up the good work. A lot of people are wishing they could be in a band,
> but never get the chance.
I shelved even thinking about it for almost 20 years. It's tough to be
a Dad and a gigging musician. My son is in College now, and I don't
have to be "Dad" anymore. Now it's more like we are just buddies. He's
a great guy and he was worth putting my dreams on hold for.
> > Buddy Miles had died that morning, we did it as a last minute off the
> > cuff, no rehearsal tribute to Buddy.
>
> I didn't know that was the first time that was played, unrehearsed. I
> definitely think it turned out good. I like the guy's video too.
I'll let Cal know you liked it.
Scot
Lfh
> It definitely had it's rough moments. but it was a really fun evening.
> Any rough spots come from the fact that the five of us had never all
> played together before.
> "Them Changes" was a spur of the moment call because of Buddy's
> passing
Uh, not to put too fine a point on it, what the fuck were you
thinking, Scot?
Given all the fuss and build up you gave this particular gig around
here--announcing the ad for extras, saying you were going to use it
for promotion, and encouraging folks here to stop by, one would assume
that you would post your best stuff, and not this clip.
Why would you invite folks to give you feedback on a song you guys had
never rehearsed before without even mentioning that little detail?
Instead of putting your best foot forward, it's like you were begging
to get strafed instead of stroked.
Fred
volkfolk
> On Mar 26, 2:52 pm, volkfolk <volkfo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > It definitely had it's rough moments. but it was a really fun evening.
> > Any rough spots come from the fact that the five of us had never all
> > played together before.
> > "Them Changes" was a spur of the moment call because of Buddy's
> > passing
>
> Uh, not to put too fine a point on it, what the fuck were you
> thinking, Scot?
That I wanted to share something that I was excited about
> Given all the fuss and build up you gave this particular gig around
> here--announcing the ad for extras, saying you were going to use it
> for promotion, and encouraging folks here to stop by, one would assume
> that you would post your best stuff, and not this clip.
It's the first thing that I had. Currently it's the ONLY clip that I
have. The video is still being edited.
> Why would you invite folks to give you feedback on a song you guys had
> never rehearsed before without even mentioning that little detail?
Because I didn't think that it was all that relevant. I didn't even
post it, the video editor did. I just wanted to get peoples reaction
to it. And for the most part I got postive reactions to it
> Instead of putting your best foot forward, it's like you were begging
> to get strafed instead of stroked.
It's the first clip that was done. I was excited about it. Sorry that
you don't share my excitment . Whatever. for the most part I've had
good feedback on it. It's not like I'm asking anybody to pay for it,
or releasing it as a single or anything other than sharing with
people. I KNEW what DK would say about it. Despite what Seth posted, I
laughed DK's posts. I'm hardly surprised that there are folks here
who think that it sucks. But a lot of people don't think that it
sucks. And I did get constructive feedback on it, not just morons like
Dingleberry and Buttock who seem to delight in being nasty for nasty's
sake. They're certainly entitled to whatever opinion that they want to
express, but I am also free to form opinions about them based on how
they express their opinion as well
Oh well that's life in the big city isn't it? All things being equal,
I would post it again, I'm not ashamed or embarassed by the video. I
will continue to post my music here and continue to do exactly what I
have been doing.
And if people don't like it they can continue to hang adjectives like
mediocre around it.
There are many people who read and post here whose opinons I value,
and then there are those whose opinions I give the grein of salt that
they deserve.
As I have said before I have a thick skin. so bring on the slings and
arrows if you must.
But while I have spent a lot of time talking about my music here, I
don't ever recall doing anything except sharing my enthusiam about it,
and trying to make people smile and share my enthusiam, so I confess
that I am more than a little confused about the nastiness that some
folks seemed to direct my way regarding it
As I said before. I guess that's life in the big city
Scot
dwolf
Just going to jump in for one quick comment...
You are surprised at the nastiness..
Goes around, comes around
Signed,
Fucking Moron
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Ken Fortenberry
> <snip>
> And I did get constructive feedback on it, not just morons like
> Dingleberry and Buttock who seem to delight in being nasty for nasty's
You asked for feedback, you got feedback. Seems to me the
only one being nasty here is you. If the only thing you
care to hear is gush and praise send the video to your Mom.
--
Ken Fortenberry
Rogues Island's finest
He did, she told him to tuck in his goddamn shirt!
Mark
TNKev
No problem,if I didn't like it I would have just ignored,unlike some of
the others. they're just jealous! :-D
Seth Buttock
What part of "I'd love some feedback" don't you understand? :) And
by the way, personally I've ignored dozens and dozens of his band spam
messages, without comment. I only commented when he asked for
feedback and started crying about getting it. I'd say the group as a
whole has been quite tolerant and nice about the whole thing.
Seth Buttock
Once again, for the conceptually challenged: both of us reserved
comment until you started crying and whining about getting the
feedback that YOU asked for. I've had plenty of opportunities to be
nasty for nasty's sake about your band spam. It was only when you
made the doofus move of asking for feedback and then criticizing
people for offering it that you got a somewhat nasty response. Can
you see the difference there Scot, or is your butt too sore?
For someone who sure slings a lot of arrows here you sure are a
sensitve little pantywaist.
RickNBarbInSD
> We've got our first video up from our gig at The Beachcomber. I'd
> really love some feedback on this.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2BlFOvacdc
>
> Scot
Hey Scot,
That's a great song and you guys did it justice. It's tough to get a
great recording audio or video wise in a tavern setting. I've been a
musician (albiet hack) for over 30 years and it sounded pretty good to
me. I know I don't have to tell you not to let the armchair rockstars
get under your skin. Easy to shoot yer fuckin' mouth off. Let'em get
up there and fuckin' do it. Nahmeen?
If you weren't on the other side o' the fuckin' continent I might be
trying to make the effort to set up a jam session with y'all. I got no
real chops but I can still give it hell when it comes to what I do,
an' some people like what I do.
Anyway, let us know when you get the other numbers up. I'd like to
check'em out.
Rick
LP
> On Mar 26, 11:10 am, Randy G <rangri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > But if you're having fun and the crowd is as well, that's all that
> > matters. If you're looking for a recording contract, that's a
> > different story.
>
> It's a nice pipe dream, but I am certainly a realist. I have no
> illusions about any recording contracts or being a rock star. I'd be
> happy to play out a couple of nights a week, or to be in a working
> General Business band.
I've been having a blast doing the "weekend warrior" band thing for
the past 16 years. I participated in "Friday night jam session" type
things for many years, and after my son was born, those jam sessions
turned into rehearsals for gigging bands. My wife and son have
supported me in doing this, and wouldn't even let me stop if I tried.
So good for you Scot, have fun at it. It's a helluva good time.
I do wonder if those who got nasty about it have or ever will know
just how much fun it is.
LP
Sherry in Vermont
Aww, why not? ;P
Sherry in Vermont
Lfh
LP wrote:
> So good for you Scot, have fun at it. It's a helluva good time.
> I do wonder if those who got nasty about it have or ever will know
> just how much fun it is.
Huh? Given the context of Scot's long-standing Phish-bashing and
plainly stated feelings about Ernest, your Trey crack was probably the
nastiest whack of all.
Just sayin'.
Fred
TNKev
> On Mar 27, 8:18 am, TNKev <TNKev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> volkfolk wrote:
>>> On Mar 26, 9:57 am, TNKev <TNKev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> volkfolk wrote:
>>>>> We've got our first video up from our gig at The Beachcomber. I'd
>>>>> really love some feedback on this.
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2BlFOvacdc
>>>>> Scot
>>>> ROCKS! I like it,looks like y'all were havin' a good time! :-D
>>> Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it
>>> Scot
>> No problem,if I didn't like it I would have just ignored,unlike some of
>> the others. they're just jealous! :-D
>
>
>
> "No problem,if I didn't like it I would have just ignored,unlike some
> of
> the others. they're just jealous! :-D "
>
> What part of "I'd love some feedback" don't you understand?
I guess you didn't see I responded with feedback?
> :) And
> by the way, personally I've ignored dozens and dozens of his band spam
> messages, without comment.
And you just couldn't resist this one.
> I only commented when he asked for
> feedback and started crying about getting it.
right and you went a little over board with the insults.
your parents never told you if you don't have anything nice to say then
don't say anything at all?
> I'd say the group as a
> whole has been quite tolerant and nice about the whole thing.
>
>
you make it sound like he did something bad,being proud of his band.
this group is full of wonderful people,a lot of fun most days,but there
are a few jerks.
Lfh
volkfolk wrote:
> On Mar 27, 3:02�am, Lfh <onetaste2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Why would you invite folks to give you feedback on a song you guys had
> > never rehearsed before without even mentioning that little detail?
>
> Because I didn't think that it was all that relevant. I didn't even
> post it, the video editor did. I just wanted to get peoples reaction
> to it. And for the most part I got postive reactions to it
If you didn't think it was relevant beforehand, why use it as and
excuse when folks point out the obvious shortcomings of the thing?
> for the most part I've had
> good feedback on it. It's not like I'm asking anybody to pay for it,
> or releasing it as a single or anything other than sharing with
> people. I KNEW what DK would say about it. Despite what Seth posted, I
> laughed DK's posts.
Maybe you did laugh, but the guy was not wrong in pointing out that it
sounded like whining. It certainly came across that way to me, and I'm
quite up to speed on the lay of the land here and the go-go boots that
walk across it.
> I'm hardly surprised that there are folks here
> who think that it sucks. But a lot of people don't think that it
> sucks.
Hell, if someone had come on and said, "hey, this sounds like a bunch
of guys who had never playing together for the first time, playing a
song they had never even rehearsed," it would have appeared to be a
nasty swipe, wouldn't it? But that's exactly what it was, and your
excitement notwithstanding, I think you should have either pointed out
that fact or waited till you had something of better quality. It just
seems you set yourself up for a bruising yet seem baffled that you got
one.
> And I did get constructive feedback on it, not just morons like
> Dingleberry and Buttock who seem to delight in being nasty for nasty's
> sake. They're certainly entitled to whatever opinion that they want to
> express, but I am also free to form opinions about them based on how
> they express their opinion as well
You are ever so quick on the "you are a fucking moron" trigger, so
much so that it might as well be your trademark, ala DK's "disgusted."
With all the "just ad hominem and stir" you do, I think it not unfair
to say you peed in the punch first.
> As I have said before I have a thick skin. so bring on the slings and
> arrows if you must.
Scot, seeing you get so Carrie-d away with your apologia here and
elsewhere, it is abundantly clear that you have anything but a thick
skin.
> But while I have spent a lot of time talking about my music here, I
> don't ever recall doing anything except sharing my enthusiam about it,
> and trying to make people smile and share my enthusiam, so I confess
> that I am more than a little confused about the nastiness that some
> folks seemed to direct my way regarding it
I'm guessing there are a few elements here, and you are free to
dismiss all of them, as I don't really know beyond said guess.
It's a context thing. You made such a fuss about the whole affair that
it seems a fair bet that folks would expect something better than
that. As well, SB may be correct about the residual effect of all the
posts about your music. Hell, at one point, I was going to make a
smart-ass crack about you becoming the next Sojo Rising, given your
constant posting of the links to your stuff, but I didn't want you to
confuse the dig at quantity to be a dig at quality.
Also, beyond just sharing your music, you've certainly flown that
"hey, I went to Berklee and studied with Jorma" flag up the pole on
more than one occasion. I've never heard anything of yours before, but
knowing your background, and having seen all the fuss about this
"promotional" project, my initial reaction to seeing this thing was
"oh. my. god." I am actually quite relieved to hear the "rest of the
story" about the circumstances, because I just assume you are waaaay
better than what you chose to represent yourself with here. I don't
question your ability as a musician, but I do question your choosing
to go the route you did in this particular case, as it seemed to beg
for bashing, all things considered.
I don't know whether you will see this as constructive criticism or me
being just another fucking moron, but it is intended as the former.
Nonetheless, keep having fun with the music, and all the rest is
beside the point.
Fred
wyeknot
> I only commented when he asked for
> feedback and started crying about getting it.
Wow, stop being such a moron and get a clue. Seriously.
Matt
LP
Okey dokey.... Scot got the joke.
Just sayin'.
LP
wyeknot
It was a freaking *joke* Fred - get it?
I did. LP did. Scot did. Etc.
Matt
Lfh
You could be right, Larry, but neither your post nor his reply had any
## attached, so who knows.
Fred
Lfh
Hey, *I* thought it was fucking hilarious and give it first prize. But
having had my jokes misperceived on many an occasion, I'm not gonna
assume who got what. Regardless, I'm all good with it, either way, so
don't get the wrong idea.
Fred
Seth Buttock
> Seth Buttock wrote:
> > On Mar 27, 8:18 am, TNKev <TNKev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> volkfolk wrote:
> >>> On Mar 26, 9:57 am, TNKev <TNKev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> volkfolk wrote:
> >>>>> We've got our first video up from our gig at The Beachcomber. I'd
> >>>>> really love some feedback on this.
> >>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2BlFOvacdc
> >>>>> Scot
> >>>> ROCKS! I like it,looks like y'all were havin' a good time! :-D
> >>> Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it
> >>> Scot
> >> No problem,if I didn't like it I would have just ignored,unlike some of
> >> the others. they're just jealous! :-D
>
> > "No problem,if I didn't like it I would have just ignored,unlike some
> > of
> > the others. they're just jealous! :-D "
>
> > What part of "I'd love some feedback" don't you understand?
>
> I guess you didn't see I responded with feedback?
Yes, I did. What does that have to do with you saying that if
someone didn't like it they should just ignore it? Ignoring it would
not be giving feedback. Feedback is not always positive.
> > :) And
> > by the way, personally I've ignored dozens and dozens of his band spam
> > messages, without comment.
>
> And you just couldn't resist this one.
I could have, but the irony of someone asking for feedback and then
when getting some they didn't like saying, "those who can't do,
teach. Those who can't teach, critique" was too much for me to pass
up.
> > I only commented when he asked for
> > feedback and started crying about getting it.
>
> right and you went a little over board with the insults.
Says you. Are you a fuckin' moron?
> your parents never told you if you don't have anything nice to say then
> don't say anything at all?
Yes, it was another bullshit cliche' which doesn't teach a kid
anything, isn't helpful, and makes no sense. Perhaps Scot should have
included that wise saying in his request for feedback.
> > I'd say the group as a
> > whole has been quite tolerant and nice about the whole thing.
>
> you make it sound like he did something bad,being proud of his band.
No I don't. Where did I say being proud of his band was a bad
thing? Are you having trouble grasping the point?
> this group is full of wonderful people,a lot of fun most days,but there
> are a few jerks.- Hide quoted text -
I'm definitely one of the jerks. Would a jerk also be a person who
repeatedly calls people fuckin' morons? Not that that's why I chose
to criticize Scot in this instance, but hey as long as we're being all
touchy feely.
> - Show quoted text -
JimK
<snip>
I'm not making any judgment one way or another about the validity of
the criticism (or the praise) that people have offered, but what your
parents told you generally applies to unsolicited comments. When
someone asks for feedback, one can reasonably assume that this means
both positive and negative. On the other hand, even when you're not
saying something nice about someone, it's usually good manners to say
it nicely.
JimK
Seth Buttock
Hey, I think it's great that you want to stand up for your buddy.
I think it's great he has fun with his band. If you can't deal with
me pointing something out, that's on you. If someone is going to
repeatedly post about their band, post myspace links to their tunes,
videos, etc, and ask for feedback on usenet, then this is what they
are going to get. ESPECIALLY when they start whining that the feedback
wasn't all good, which is the only reason I commented. Get a clue.
Seriously.
volkfolk
I thought it was hysterical. I'm not afraid to laugh at myself.
Contrary to what Buttboy and Dingleberry think.
Scot
Lfh
JimK wrote:
> >your parents never told you if you don't have anything nice to say then
> >don't say anything at all?
> >
> <snip>
>
> I'm not making any judgment one way or another about the validity of
> the criticism (or the praise) that people have offered, but what your
> parents told you generally applies to unsolicited comments. When
> someone asks for feedback, one can reasonably assume that this means
> both positive and negative. On the other hand, even when you're not
> saying something nice about someone, it's usually good manners to say
> it nicely.
Heh. This brings up my favorite definition of tact: the ability to
tell someone where to go in such a way that they look forward to the
trip. And what a long, strange trip it's been.
Fred
The Iron Muffin
> TNKev wrote:
> > your parents never told you if you don't have anything nice
> > to say then don't say anything at all?
>
> Yes, it was another bullshit cliche' which doesn't teach a kid
> anything, isn't helpful, and makes no sense.
Actually, it teaches children not to be ill-mannered jackasses.
Apparently either you were too stupid to learn that, or your
parents were lousy at teaching basic life lessons to you.
I suspect the former, since you have proven to my satisfaction
that you are nothing more than a mannerless jerk. I feel bad for
your parents and anybody else who has had to spend time with
you.
--
The Iron Muffin
DEAD FREAKS UNITE
Who are you? Where are you?
How are you?
The Iron Muffin
> If someone is going to repeatedly post about their band, post
> myspace links to their tunes, videos, etc, and ask for feedback
> on usenet, then this is what they are going to get. ESPECIALLY
> when they start whining that the feedback wasn't all good, which
> is the only reason I commented.
Nah, the only reason you commented is because you are a lame
douchebag and you wanted to act like an asshole towards someone.
You're not fooling anybody with your protests of justification.
volkfolk
I wasn't "whining" about anything. As i repeatedly pointed out, I
think Sweetbac is one of the funnitest people on this NG. I was
totally cool with what he posted. You're the moron who assumed that I
was whining about what he posted. I wasn't. I was just trying to bust
his balls back a little bit. Sorry if you're too mentally challenged
to realize that.
It's hardly the first time that I have made replies in that vein to
Sweetbac. Go check the Jesus Christ Superstar thread and my crack to
him wearing a Hello Kitty mask and singing along with the Cat's
Soundtrack.
I've also been busting his balls for years about actually playing some
music himself, since I suspect that he plays was well and both share a
love of Hot Tuna and Jorma hence the "Those who can't do teach, Those
who can't teach, critique" comment
But thanks for telling me how I actually felt about what DK posted,
since I was obviously confused when I wrote my response #####
Scot
volkfolk
Whatever Ken. Believe it if you need.it.
The only person initially directed my nastiness at was Seth, and that
was because he was telling me what I meant in my reply to DK, since
he is obviously the foremost authority on what I meant when I replied
to Dave########
But by all means continue onward with your bad attitude about pretty
much everything that you post here. I would expect nothing less. You
could suck the joy out of any room. But you obviously take pride in
it, so by all means, don't change
Carry on
Scot
Ken Fortenberry
> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>> You asked for feedback, you got feedback. Seems to me the
>> only one being nasty here is you. If the only thing you
>> care to hear is gush and praise send the video to your Mom.
>
> Whatever Ken. Believe it if you need.it.
>
> The only person initially directed my nastiness at was Seth, and that
> was because he was telling me what I meant in my reply to DK, since
> he is obviously the foremost authority on what I meant when I replied
> to Dave########
Sounded to me like you were directing at least some of your
usual nastiness towards whoever, (I don't remember who),
called that band mediocre. Having seen many a mediocre bar
band in my 50+ years I'd have to say that was a most generous
assessment and yet you treated it as a terrible insult.
> But by all means continue onward with your bad attitude about pretty
> much everything that you post here. I would expect nothing less. You
> could suck the joy out of any room. But you obviously take pride in
> it, so by all means, don't change
For someone asking for feedback on Usenet you appear to be way too
nasty and defensive. I gave you honest feedback, if I stumbled
into a bar where that band was playing I would immediately leave.
If giving you honest feedback at your request indicates a bad attitude
I suppose I've displayed a bad attitude. I can live with that.
Oh, but I was kidding about the cow bell thing. ;-)
--
Ken Fortenberry
Dave Kelly
"Ken Dingleberry" <kenfort...@trashameritech.net> wrote in message
news:IsUGj.16769$5K1....@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net...
> if I stumbled into a bar where that did not serve Budweiser in cans I
> would immediately leave.
> Ken Fortenberry
now THATS hardcore!
Seth Buttock
>
> - Show quoted text -
For God's sake, stop whining.
Seth Buttock
Well, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at
all. Obviously your parents failed miserably in teaching you this
lesson. I suspect you have a hard time completely removing fecal
matter from your anus when you attempt to wipe and that this most
likely explains the smell in your apartment. Stop playing video games
and crack a window, please!
Seth Buttock
And now you're just piling on unnecessarily. Haven't I been
thrashed enough in this thread? I think the only reason you're even
commenting is because you like to kick people when they're down. And
also, the whole itchy anus thing.
Ken Fortenberry
>> if I stumbled into a bar where that did not serve Budweiser in cans I
>> would immediately leave.
>
>> Ken Fortenberry
>
> now THATS hardcore!
Substitute long necks for cans and you wouldn't be far wrong !
Any bar that won't serve The King of Beers is too damn snooty
for my taste.
--
Ken Fortenberry
Dave Kelly
"Ken Fortenberry" <kenfort...@trashameritech.net> wrote in message
news:OPUGj.16770$5K1...@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net...
> Any bar that won't serve The King of Beers is too damn snooty
> for my taste.
> Ken Fortenberry
Its prolly a good thing you never moved to San Francisco
The last yahoo that ordered a Budweiser at the Toronado
bar was hog tied and they ass thrown out onto Haight Street.
Nah....stay in Chumbawumba
Rogues Island's finest
And I started it! How come I'm not getting any shit??
Mark
TNKev
> On Mar 27, 11:32 am, TNKev <TNKev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Seth Buttock wrote:
>>> On Mar 27, 8:18 am, TNKev <TNKev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> volkfolk wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 26, 9:57 am, TNKev <TNKev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> volkfolk wrote:
>>>>>>> We've got our first video up from our gig at The Beachcomber. I'd
>>>>>>> really love some feedback on this.
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2BlFOvacdc
>>>>>>> Scot
>>>>>> ROCKS! I like it,looks like y'all were havin' a good time! :-D
>>>>> Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it
>>>>> Scot
>>>> No problem,if I didn't like it I would have just ignored,unlike some of
>>>> the others. they're just jealous! :-D
>>> "No problem,if I didn't like it I would have just ignored,unlike some
>>> of
>>> the others. they're just jealous! :-D "
>>> What part of "I'd love some feedback" don't you understand?
>> I guess you didn't see I responded with feedback?
>
> Yes, I did. What does that have to do with you saying that if
> someone didn't like it they should just ignore it?
you *can* read,correct? you said "what part of I'd love some feedback
don't you understand" the fact that I provided feedback should prove to
you that I understood....pretty simple.
> Ignoring it would
> not be giving feedback.
in your case it would be "not insulting people"
> Feedback is not always positive.
>
>
>>> :) And
>>> by the way, personally I've ignored dozens and dozens of his band spam
>>> messages, without comment.
>> And you just couldn't resist this one.
>
> I could have, but the irony of someone asking for feedback and then
> when getting some they didn't like saying, "those who can't do,
> teach. Those who can't teach, critique" was too much for me to pass
> up.
maybe you should grow some thicker skin.
>
>>> I only commented when he asked for
>>> feedback and started crying about getting it.
>> right and you went a little over board with the insults.
>
> Says you. Are you a fuckin' moron?
HAHAHA! a joke right?
>
>
>> your parents never told you if you don't have anything nice to say then
>> don't say anything at all?
>
> Yes, it was another bullshit cliche' which doesn't teach a kid
> anything, isn't helpful, and makes no sense.
I am sure it doesn't make sense to you,and it probably never will.
> Perhaps Scot should have
> included that wise saying in his request for feedback.
well then we wouldn't be having this wonderful conversation would we?
>
>>> I'd say the group as a
>>> whole has been quite tolerant and nice about the whole thing.
>> you make it sound like he did something bad,being proud of his band.
>
> No I don't. Where did I say being proud of his band was a bad
> thing?
"the group as a whole has been quite tolerant of the whole thing"
like he was bothering someone by being proud of his band and posting
about them here.
>Are you having trouble grasping the point?
not at all,the point seems to be that you are a jerk.
>
>
>> this group is full of wonderful people,a lot of fun most days,but there
>> are a few jerks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> I'm definitely one of the jerks. Would a jerk also be a person who
> repeatedly calls people fuckin' morons?
you just called me a fucking moron so.....yes.
LP
>
Jeez, what an attention whore.
LP
Ken Fortenberry
> "Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
>> Any bar that won't serve The King of Beers is too damn snooty
>> for my taste.
>
> The last yahoo that ordered a Budweiser at the Toronado
> bar was hog tied and they ass thrown out onto Haight Street.
> Nah....stay in Chumbawumba
The way I heard that story is that it took five or six Frisco
tutti fruities to toss out one Bud drinker and the Bud man
broke noses, bones and windows on the way out.
This Bud's for *you* Sweets, <raising my glass westerly>.
--
Ken Fortenberry
Rogues Island's finest
Are you whining?
Mark
volkfolk
<kenfortenbe...@trashameritech.net> wrote:
> volkfolk wrote:
> > Ken Fortenberry wrote:
> >> You asked for feedback, you got feedback. Seems to me the
> >> only one being nasty here is you. If the only thing you
> >> care to hear is gush and praise send the video to your Mom.
>
> > Whatever Ken. Believe it if you need.it.
>
> > The only person initially directed my nastiness at was Seth, and that
> > was because he was telling me what I meant in my reply to DK, since
> > he is obviously the foremost authority on what I meant when I replied
> > to Dave########
>
> Sounded to me like you were directing at least some of your
> usual nastiness towards whoever,
Pot meet Kettle. You can be the king of nastiness.
> (I don't remember who),
> called that band mediocre. Having seen many a mediocre bar
> band in my 50+ years I'd have to say that was a most generous
> assessment and yet you treated it as a terrible insult.
Here was my intial reply to Seth. Care to point out where I acted
terribly insulted?
"If you think that I take Sweetbac seriously one way or another you
really necd to get over yourself. I don't think that were anything
more than what we are. We have fun, and that's all I really care
about. I EXPECT Sweetbac to say exactly what he said.
So far as your opinion. Sorry we're not your cup of tea. The audience
had fun, and so did we "
> > But by all means continue onward with your bad attitude about pretty
> > much everything that you post here. I would expect nothing less. You
> > could suck the joy out of any room. But you obviously take pride in
> > it, so by all means, don't change
>
> For someone asking for feedback on Usenet you appear to be way too
> nasty and defensive.
Not about the band. About what someone thought I was trying to say in
a post. I realize that people have different opinions regarding music,
and I don't expect to change anybody's likes or dislikes. But I do
find it annoying when someone insists on tellinng me what I meant when
I wrote something, as Seth did. Which is why I made the Buttock crack.
He's an ass. Not because he thinks that we're mediocre, but because he
continues to tell me what I mean't in my reply to Dave Kelly.
Anybody who is the foremost authority on someone else's opinion is an
ass IMO
>I gave you honest feedback, if I stumbled
> into a bar where that band was playing I would immediately leave.
I thought that it was a little over the top and yes nasty, but I
didn't call you out on it, at least not directly. But then again what
would be the point?
> If giving you honest feedback at your request indicates a bad attitude
> I suppose I've displayed a bad attitude. I can live with that.
Where did I even reply directly to you?
> Oh, but I was kidding about the cow bell thing. ;-)
I loathe cowbell.
Scot
Seth Buttock
SIGH.....ok, I'll slow down for you. I'm telling you he asked for
feedback and he got it, from others and from me. I'm telling you this
because you suggested if people didn't have something positive they
should just ignore it. Ignoring it would not be giving feedback. The
fact that you gave feedback is not relevant.
> > Ignoring it would
> > not be giving feedback.
>
> in your case it would be "not insulting people"
Well, then you should have said that, eh?
> > Feedback is not always positive.
>
> >>> :) And
> >>> by the way, personally I've ignored dozens and dozens of his band spam
> >>> messages, without comment.
> >> And you just couldn't resist this one.
>
> > I could have, but the irony of someone asking for feedback and then
> > when getting some they didn't like saying, "those who can't do,
> > teach. Those who can't teach, critique" was too much for me to pass
> > up.
>
> maybe you should grow some thicker skin.
Having thick skin refers to not being bothered by criticisms
directed at you. That is not the case here. This is more a case of
"maybe you should have minded your own business". There, now you
don't have to tell me what you *meant* to say.
>
>
> >>> I only commented when he asked for
> >>> feedback and started crying about getting it.
> >> right and you went a little over board with the insults.
>
> > Says you. Are you a fuckin' moron?
>
> HAHAHA! a joke right?
Yes.
>
>
> >> your parents never told you if you don't have anything nice to say then
> >> don't say anything at all?
>
> > Yes, it was another bullshit cliche' which doesn't teach a kid
> > anything, isn't helpful, and makes no sense.
>
> I am sure it doesn't make sense to you,and it probably never will.
Makes perfect sense to me. However, it is totally irrelevant to
this discussion in that he *asked* for feedback. You are 0 for 3.
> > Perhaps Scot should have
> > included that wise saying in his request for feedback.
>
> well then we wouldn't be having this wonderful conversation would we?
Nope. Hey we agreed!
>
> >>> I'd say the group as a
> >>> whole has been quite tolerant and nice about the whole thing.
> >> you make it sound like he did something bad,being proud of his band.
>
> > No I don't. Where did I say being proud of his band was a bad
> > thing?
>
> "the group as a whole has been quite tolerant of the whole thing"
>
> like he was bothering someone by being proud of his band and posting
> about them here.
Well, that's actually *you* thinking that's what I was
saying....see how you used the word "like" to describe what I wrote?
That's your interpretation and my point remains that I never said
anything about it being a bad thing he is proud of his band. He could
be proud of his band and not spam the group with advertisements and
plugs, right? And he could be proud of his band and not ask for
feedback and then whine when he gets it, right? See the difference?
He has every right to post whatever he wants, and we have every right
to respond.
> >Are you having trouble grasping the point?
>
> not at all,the point seems to be that you are a jerk.
Now you're making sense! Second point of agreement. You may have
noticed, usenet is full of jerks.
>
>
> >> this group is full of wonderful people,a lot of fun most days,but there
> >> are a few jerks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > I'm definitely one of the jerks. Would a jerk also be a person who
> > repeatedly calls people fuckin' morons?
>
> you just called me a fucking moron so.....yes.
Actually I *asked* if you were a fuckin' moron which isn't exactly
rhe same thing. And I asked if you were because Scot often calls
people fuckin' morons when he doesn't like what they post. No, I
won't be pasting links.
And by the way, *you* may think Scot is a jerk. I don't.
I'm glad I could help sort all that out. Please, continue.
> > Not that that's why I chose
> > to criticize Scot in this instance, but hey as long as we're being all
> > touchy feely.
>
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LP
No, I am criticizing.
LP
Ken Fortenberry
You didn't reply directly to me, you made a third grade pun
on my surname and called me a moron in another reply. I don't
understand what kind of distinction you're trying to make here.
--
Ken Fortenberry
Richard Morris
"volkfolk" <volk...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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snip
But while I have spent a lot of time talking about my music here, I
don't ever recall doing anything except sharing my enthusiam about it,
and trying to make people smile and share my enthusiam, so I confess
that I am more than a little confused about the nastiness that some
folks seemed to direct my way regarding it
**************************************
It is quite simple, Scot ... some folks here are assholes.
HTH,
Richard
volkfolk
Like you don't make hit and run comments? Just a day or two ago you
made a crack about Hitch, assuming that he was just another RWNW who
wasn't going to vote for Obama, so who cares what his opinion is. You
make snooty cracks about people all the time. There are plenty of
other examples besides that one.
Don't pretend otherwise
So yeah, I did make a third grade comment about your name, and yeah I
called you a moron. But don't pretend that you're above doing the same
thing.
It seemed like you were piling on, just for the sake of piling on,
which of course is a grand RMGD tradition. And yeah, I'm guilty of it
too
So sue me
Scot
Seth Buttock
wrote:
> "volkfolk" <volkfo...@verizon.net> wrote in message
Finally, the voice of reason.
Richard Morris
"JimK" <jkezwind@comcastDOTnet> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:32:09 -0500, TNKev <TNKe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Seth Buttock wrote:
>>> On Mar 27, 8:18 am, TNKev <TNKev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> volkfolk wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 26, 9:57 am, TNKev <TNKev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> volkfolk wrote:
>>>>>>> We've got our first video up from our gig at The Beachcomber. I'd
>>>>>>> really love some feedback on this.
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2BlFOvacdc
>>>>>>> Scot
>>>>>> ROCKS! I like it,looks like y'all were havin' a good time! :-D
>>>>> Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it
>>>>> Scot
>>>> No problem,if I didn't like it I would have just ignored,unlike some of
>>>> the others. they're just jealous! :-D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "No problem,if I didn't like it I would have just ignored,unlike some
>>> of
>>> the others. they're just jealous! :-D "
>>>
>>> What part of "I'd love some feedback" don't you understand?
>>
>>I guess you didn't see I responded with feedback?
>>
>>> by the way, personally I've ignored dozens and dozens of his band spam
>>> messages, without comment.
>>
>>And you just couldn't resist this one.
>>
>>
>>> feedback and started crying about getting it.
>>
>>right and you went a little over board with the insults.
>>
>>don't say anything at all?
>>
>
> I'm not making any judgment one way or another about the validity of
> the criticism (or the praise) that people have offered, but what your
> parents told you generally applies to unsolicited comments. When
> someone asks for feedback, one can reasonably assume that this means
> both positive and negative. On the other hand, even when you're not
> saying something nice about someone, it's usually good manners to say
> it nicely.
Ayup ... there is a thing called, "constructive criticism". If you think
something needs to be better, then point out where, and make some
suggestions about what might need to be done to make the needed
improvements. And balance it with some positive remarks as well. That is
the kind of "feedback" that most people are able to hear without becoming
defensive.
TNKev
jerk! :-D with a smile!
volkfolk
wrote:
> "volkfolk" <volkfo...@verizon.net> wrote in message
Yeah, I know that, hell so am I sometimes. Sometimes I'm a giant
asshole. But I was sort of surprised by the vehemence and
condesending attitudes none the less. It's just a three minute song.
You'd think that I was Rev Wright or Hillary by the way some folks
seem to be reacting to me and my prattlings here.
But, 130 plus hits on the video in 24 hours and an overwhelmingly
supportive and positive response is good enough for me. I can live
with the couple of negative responses.
And as some 30's Hollywood actor or actress once said, "I don't care
what they write about me, as long as they are writing about me"
Scot
Scot
Richard Morris
"LP" <so.y...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:275b1864-1d2c-4dd1...@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
No, I am criticizing.
************
Would you like some feedback on that?
R.
TNKev
HAHAHAHA! You asked me a question,"What part of "I'd love some feedback"
don't you understand?"
I understand what "I'd love some feedback" means,I gave feedback
therefor I understand what "I'd love some feedback" means. I can't dumb
it down any further for *you*
> I'm telling you he asked for
> feedback and he got it, from others and from me. I'm telling you this
> because you suggested if people didn't have something positive they
> should just ignore it. Ignoring it would not be giving feedback. The
> fact that you gave feedback is not relevant.
>
>
>>> Ignoring it would
>>> not be giving feedback.
>> in your case it would be "not insulting people"
>
> Well, then you should have said that, eh?
>
>
>>> Feedback is not always positive.
>>>>> :) And
>>>>> by the way, personally I've ignored dozens and dozens of his band spam
>>>>> messages, without comment.
>>>> And you just couldn't resist this one.
>>> I could have, but the irony of someone asking for feedback and then
>>> when getting some they didn't like saying, "those who can't do,
>>> teach. Those who can't teach, critique" was too much for me to pass
>>> up.
>> maybe you should grow some thicker skin.
>
> Having thick skin refers to not being bothered by criticisms
> directed at you.
no it doesn't,it refers to not letting things bother you,anything.
> That is not the case here. This is more a case of
> "maybe you should have minded your own business". There, now you
> don't have to tell me what you *meant* to say.
I meant to say what I have said,no cloaked meanings,and I don't need you
to tell me what I meant.
>
>
>>
>>>>> I only commented when he asked for
>>>>> feedback and started crying about getting it.
>>>> right and you went a little over board with the insults.
>>> Says you. Are you a fuckin' moron?
>> HAHAHA! a joke right?
>
> Yes.
>>
>>>> your parents never told you if you don't have anything nice to say then
>>>> don't say anything at all?
>>> Yes, it was another bullshit cliche' which doesn't teach a kid
>>> anything, isn't helpful, and makes no sense.
>> I am sure it doesn't make sense to you,and it probably never will.
>
>
> Makes perfect sense to me. However, it is totally irrelevant to
> this discussion in that he *asked* for feedback. You are 0 for 3.
yes he asked for feedback,he didn't ask for you to be a shithead about it.
>
>
>>> Perhaps Scot should have
>>> included that wise saying in his request for feedback.
>> well then we wouldn't be having this wonderful conversation would we?
>
> Nope. Hey we agreed!
>
>>>>> I'd say the group as a
>>>>> whole has been quite tolerant and nice about the whole thing.
>>>> you make it sound like he did something bad,being proud of his band.
>>> No I don't. Where did I say being proud of his band was a bad
>>> thing?
>> "the group as a whole has been quite tolerant of the whole thing"
>>
>> like he was bothering someone by being proud of his band and posting
>> about them here.
>
> Well, that's actually *you* thinking that's what I was
> saying....see how you used the word "like" to describe what I wrote?
> That's your interpretation and my point remains that I never said
> anything about it being a bad thing he is proud of his band. He could
> be proud of his band and not spam the group with advertisements and
> plugs, right?
and you can use a filter if you don't want to read it. right?
> And he could be proud of his band and not ask for
> feedback and then whine when he gets it, right?
and you can resist being an asshole, right? (I guess not)
> See the difference?
yes. can you see the difference between being an asshole and not being
an asshole?
> He has every right to post whatever he wants, and we have every right
> to respond.
and I have every right to call you an asshole for being an asshole.
>
>>> Are you having trouble grasping the point?
>> not at all,the point seems to be that you are a jerk.
>
> Now you're making sense! Second point of agreement. You may have
> noticed, usenet is full of jerks.
and I am one of them. nice to meet you.
>>
>>>> this group is full of wonderful people,a lot of fun most days,but there
>>>> are a few jerks.- Hide quoted text -
>>> I'm definitely one of the jerks. Would a jerk also be a person who
>>> repeatedly calls people fuckin' morons?
>> you just called me a fucking moron so.....yes.
>
> Actually I *asked* if you were a fuckin' moron which isn't exactly
> rhe same thing. And I asked if you were because Scot often calls
> people fuckin' morons when he doesn't like what they post. No, I
> won't be pasting links.
I don't need links,I have been reading this group for 6 years.
>
> And by the way, *you* may think Scot is a jerk. I don't.
I like Scot,I came to his defense the last time an asshole was fucking
with him.
>
> I'm glad I could help sort all that out. Please, continue.
I'd rather not.