Barton Hall Hoax?

[aveb...@live.com]

I remember many moons ago someone here posted that the well know
Barton Hall '77 show was a manufactured tape that really never
happened. Possibly a compilation that a "family" member put together.
I still have yet to figure out if that is true or not. I always
thought that the tape (yes, as in cassette) that I had of it, sounded
like it was from the same source all the way through, but if it was
made from an insider, it could have been sourced from similarly
sounding board masters. I have also met people who have said they were
at that show.
Info? Opinion? Ignore?

[Neil X]

It's a long and twisted tale. You will undoubtedly hear from the
government if you pursue this matter too publicly. The CIA has
representatives who monitor this topic, especially on the Grateful
Dead newsgroup, where the truth of the hoax was first exposed. One
guy you will probably hear from is a guy named Ken F., who will
attempt to convince you that what really happened that night was just
a completely normal show, and that nothing out of the ordinary
occurred. But it isn't so. The REAL story behind the CIA experiment
that night is well known, to many of us. We don't talk about it a
lot, but the tale has been told on RMGD by a Navy Midshipman who
participated in the experiment, so I will reprint it. The *REAL*
setlist used to generate the recording is below, and the reasons for
the experiment is described beneath the setlist.

***********************************
BARTON HALL, ITHACA, NY 5/8/77 -- The Show That Never Happened"

Track listing Actual Source
------------ ---------------
1.Minglewood Blues [4:47] Winterland 3/20/77
2.Loser [7:30] Springfield 4/23/77
3.El Paso [4:22] Chicago 5/13/77
4.They Love Each Other [6:59] Lakeland 5/21/77
5.Jack Straw [6:00] Tempe 10/6/77
6.Deal [5:43] St. Paul 5/11/77
7.Lazy Lightnin' [3:29] > St. Louis 5/15/77
8.Supplication [4:21] "
9.Brown-Eyed Women [5:12] Winterland 6/8/77
10.Mama Tried [2:37] Seattle 9/29/77
11.Row Jimmy [10:52] Fox, Atlanta 5/19/77
12.Dancin' in the Streets [15:43] Pembroke Pines 5/22/77 (DP3)

Set II:

13.Scarlet Begonias [9:14] > ???
14.Fire on the Mountain [15:21] ???
15.Estimated Prophet [8:32] Passaic NJ 4/27/77
16.St. Stephen [4:43] > Mostly Passaic NJ 6/18/76
17.Not Fade Away [16:22] > with some tricky splicing of the
18.St. Stephen [1:53] > middle of an unidentified NFA
19.Morning Dew [13:36] Cow Palace 12/31/76

Encore:

20.One More Saturday Night [4:54] Springfield 4/23/77

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From: D***** M******** (d*****...@nrlssc.navy.mil)
Subject: 5/8/77 - The truth at last
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
View: Complete Thread (10 articles) | Original Format
Date: 1999/04/23

There's been a lot of talk lately about the legendary fake show on
5/8/77. I've kept my silence on the subject for 22 years ... now it's
finally time to come clean on the whole subject.

The whole idea began back in late 1969/early 1970. The Department of
Defense and the CIA were very disappointed by the way the Vietnam War
was progressing. Not only were we losing but, more importantly, the
US public did not approve of the war and, worse yet, weren't believing
everything the military said about what was happening. This was an
unprecedented event.

Every other recent war was viewed positively by the public ... or at
least with apathy in the case of Korea. Something had to be done. They
decided to take a page from the Soviets and experiment with mind
control.

Together with Disney and a fledgling computer company called
Microsoft, they set out
to prove that brainwashing could really work on the very people who
opposed
them: the hippies.

It isn't widely known but Cornell was actually the second test of
these mind control procedures. The first occurred in mid-1975 and was
a dismal failure. 2 major mistakes were made. First, they picked the
one time that the Dead were not touring. This created all sorts of
problems with the subject audience. The more serious mistake was in
not updating the criteria of the experiment. Due to typical government
inefficiency, they used the 1969
version of the Dead that was playing when the program was conceived.

The sudden appearance of Pigpen, who had died 2 years earlier,
literally blew the minds of those in attendance. 6 months were spent
erasing all traces of the "show" and carefully rebuilding as much of
their minds as possible. The subjects were eventually released and
most of them became evangelists, their only lingering memory of the
whole experiment being an unshakeable belief that they'd witnessed a
true miracle.

Unfortunately, no tapes have been found from this first experiment.
That's a real shame because the version of Dark Star->St Stephen-
>Eleven->Lovelight used was supposedly the best ever. After a few
drinks, the original scientists still speak in awe about the music
heard that day.

By Nov 1977, everyone was ready for the second test. This time, they
learned from their mistakes. A small group of college students
(including yours truly) were hired to attend shows from 1976 through
1977. Our job was to collect tapes of the Dead's performances, select
which tunes to use, and to help identify subjects for the upcoming
experiment. The location and date were chosen with equal care. It was
a off-day during the tour and the location close enough to the real
concerts to be believed. Of more importance was the late snowfall that
day. That unusual and easily confirmed event provided the glue that
would hold the implanted memories together.

Even now 22 years later, people "remembering" that concert use almost
identical words to describe leaving the show.

Overall, the experiment was a great success. Of course, some people
were given slightly different memories. Some, like Teddy Goodbear,
"remember" taping the show and were even provided "Audience" tapes to
further cement the hoax. Still others remember getting "horribly
smashed" up front. None of this actually occurred.

A week after the "concert" experiment, a 2nd test was done on the town
of Cornell itself. In order to perfect this hoax, the town itself must
also be convinced that the concert took place. Disney had acquired
owner- ship of all the local TV and radio stations through dummy
corporations. Using special chips developed by Microsoft, they played
subliminal messages to every man, woman and child in a 100 mile radius
of Barton Hall. For the most part, this programming still holds today
although some people did prove resistant to the message.

As far as the source of the music, for the most part the list posted
by "brew ziggins" is correct. The only mystery remaining is the
Scarlet->Fire. That was actually performed by the Dead specifically
for this experiment. Since Jerry worked for the CIA, it was easy to
convince him and the rest of the band to go along. Plus he liked the
idea of "pranking" a large group of people like this. The fabled
2/6/77 "take a step back" rehearsal tape is also from material taped
for these experiments.

The soundboard tapes in circulation were leaked by Betty O'Connell who
edited the original tapes. I don't know if it was just a coincidence
or not, but they were leaked at about the same time as the tapes
recorded by Betty Cantor were found. In any event, they became part of
the so-called "Betty Boards". Leaking these tapes also provided the
first cracks in the hoax to appear since the tapes were distributed to
people who were not in the experiment and who knew that no show was
performed that day. It was necessary to obtain their silence through
blackmail, bribery and in extreme cases, mind control itself. That's
also how this "show" came to be listed in all the popular Dead show
guides like DeadBase.

So what's happened to these mind control techniques used in this
experiment? I got out of the program in 1978 but it's obvious that
they are still being used today. Microsoft has used this power to
become one of the biggest, most influential companies in history. They
sure didn't become that big by providing quality products. It was used
to shape public reaction to
the Gulf War. It's also clear that George Bush never understood the
full power of
these methods. After the Gulf War, the technology was leaked to a
young governor who used them to be successfully elected to 2 terms as
president and remain in power despite facing numerous charges that
should have seen him removed from office or even thrown in prison.
There are also indications that this technology might explain the
otherwise unbelievable popularity of rap music.

That's the whole story. I'll probably end up in jail (or worse) for
revealing this but it feels good to finally get the whole thing off my
chest.

[aveb...@live.com]

Hmmm. The semi declassified US government program MKUltra rears it's
ugly head once again.....

[Ray O'Hara]

<aveb...@live.com> wrote in message
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yes a brilliant hoax, they even planted reviews in the local paper and had
tickets printed up.

its like Obama and the fake birth announcements in the Hawaii papers and
made up birth certificate. I hear they hired the same firm. to do it.

[yoker]

The stories of this Grateful Dead*show* are variations of the "Tibetan
Memory Trick" which goes something like this:

)To be read aloud)

One hen;
Two ducks;
Three squawking geese;
Four Limerick oysters;
Five corpulent porpoises;
Six pairs of Don Alverzo's tweezers;
Seven thousand Macedonians in full battle array;
Eight brass monkeys from the ancient, sacred crypts of Egypt;
Nine apathetic, sympathetic, diabetic old men on roller skates with a
marked propensity towards procrastination and sloth;
Ten lyrical, spherical, diabolical denizens of the deep who haul stall
around the corner of the quo of the quay of the quivery, all at the
same time.


If this make sense to you or any other readers of this thread, fine,
the show did happen as said. If this show does not make sense to you
or any other readers of this thread, then this Grateful Dead show is a
*hoax*.

[Randy G]

On Oct 18, 10:38 pm, avebu...@live.com wrote:

You can join the Barton Hall conspiracy group on Facebook and discuss
amongst like-minded individuals. But the they would know your name.

[Joker]

Ok, I've pretty much given up on reading rmgd (original), but this is
why it's good to occasionally peek in here...

[3jane.]

**********************
This is from a friend of mine who was (allegedly) there and
(allegedely) taped the show and is (obviously) a amjor player in the
conspiracy and subsequent coverup. Notice how he feighns an
adversarial realionship with the agency in the last line-these guys
are very slick and have been at this a long time.

**********************

That's fucking hilarious!

I taped the show. It was the tape that, as far as I know, was most
widely circulated prior to the Betty board. Yes, I was tripping. But I
was also hand-holding the mics for the whole show, and had to be
carried out after it for all the energy it took to continue to hold
the mics the whole time. When we went in, it wasn't snowing. When we
left, it was snowing heavily. We went back to the dorm at Syracuse and
stayed up the rest of the night listening to the show again while
watching the 10 inches pile up outside the glass sliding doors of my
friend's room.

The song list is correct. Of particular note were the 3 songs in the
middle of the 1st set that by the next tour were all set closers.
(Jack Straw, Deal, Lazy Lightning...).

My tape had a cut in it during Dancing in the Streets. When the Betty
board came out, I was able to fill the cut by splicing her part in.
Her tape had a cut too (I think in Lazy Lightning?), so I was at some
point able to fill her cut from my audience tape. The songs were
exactly the same. The versions from the noted other shows are quite
different.

It was an entertaining read, and good for a few laughs. But it doesn't
hold up. I don't care what they say! I have many specific visual
memories of the boys that night, and they were having a great time.
The Morning Dew was not to be duplicated! As well, the sound of my
mics that night, AKG D201s, were very specific, with their low
response down to 20hz duplicating Phil's bass on Morning Dew amazingly
and wall shatteringly well – the only 2 times in my 14 years in my NYC
apartment (many of you remember it well, I'm sure :-) that my next
door neighbor went as far as banging on the wall because of my playing
music too loud (which many of you probably also remember I did
extensively) were both during my playing of Morning Dew from my master
of that show.

The CIA can kiss my taper ass.

Cheers,

Adman

[aveb...@live.com]

I belive this show acually happened. I worked with a girl who has
fond memories of it, including the snow during and after the show. She
isn't an obsessed Dead head, (like me) who would have access or
interest in conspiracy theories. She was just an Ithaca student in the
70's that checked out a Dead show. She also had an accurate memory of
some of the setlist without having any dead tapes in her music
collection.
The touring pattern also makes sense: three consecutive shows,
following a day off.

[bzl...@aaool.com]

On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 11:18:21 -0700 (PDT), "3jane." <q3j...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

That Dew is nothing like the Cow Place Dew, not even close. (For one
thing, Jerry got the verses backwards at Cow Palace. Then there are
the jams...)

[Ray O'Hara]

<bzl...@aaool.com> wrote in message
news:7rcu97hv09mut47av...@4ax.com...

>>and wall shatteringly well - the only 2 times in my 14 years in my NYC

>>apartment (many of you remember it well, I'm sure :-) that my next
>>door neighbor went as far as banging on the wall because of my playing
>>music too loud (which many of you probably also remember I did
>>extensively) were both during my playing of Morning Dew from my master
>>of that show.
>>
>>The CIA can kiss my taper ass.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Adman
>
> That Dew is nothing like the Cow Place Dew, not even close. (For one
> thing, Jerry got the verses backwards at Cow Palace. Then there are
> the jams...)

the 2nd set is the Grateful Dead at their best.

[Neil X]

On Oct 19, 10:08 am, Joker <joker4...@gmail.com> wrote:

There is no rmgd (original). There is just rmgd.

HTH,
Neil X.

[Chuck Stearns]

Yeah and 9-11 was an inside job also.

<aveb...@live.com> wrote in message
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[brewziggins]

My log will have something to say about this one day.

[dr.narcolepsy]

On Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:09:09 PM UTC-4, Neil X wrote:
> That's the whole story.

And you don't have time to finish off that one Furthur(?) trip story.

[band beyond description]

The mighty Brew weighs in and THIS is all ya got? FB has stolen yer mojo,
Kyle...
--
Peace, Steve

[dr.narcolepsy]

brew ziggins is a hoax.

[Neil X]

Uh, I didn't write that, Dnarc. It's a reprint of the original
confession from 1998.

Peace,
Neil X.

[dr.narcolepsy]

Those darn facts can be inconvenient.