The "dancing bears" are goose stepping?
Meniscus
I didn't know that, but I did know they were up to somethin'
The old geezer
> Wikipedia says so.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goose-step
> I didn't know that, but I did know they were up to somethin'
Tell us....please....why were you looking up "goose step" in the first
place???
Hmmmmmm???
TOG
JimK
wrote:
>Wikipedia says so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goose-step
>I didn't know that, but I did know they were up to somethin'
Geez, and I always thought the Dancing Bears were dancing.
JimK
marcman
> On Wed, 12 May 2010 03:33:22 -0700, Meniscus <greens...@eggs.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Wikipedia says so.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goose-step
> >I didn't know that, but I did know they were up to somethin'
>
> Geez, and I always thought the Dancing Bears were dancing.
>
> JimK
Hell, I always thought the NAZIS were dancing . . .
dr.narcidan
> On Wed, 12 May 2010 03:33:22 -0700, Meniscus <greens...@eggs.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I didn't know that, but I did know they were up to somethin'
>
> Geez, and I always thought the Dancing Bears were dancing.
I thought they were high-steppin' into town.
marcman
You seem to be most correct, Rap.
I found the Owsley quote from the Dancing Bears link in the wiki
article cited in the OP to be interesting, and I hadn't read it
previously . . .
Dancing bears: A series of stylized dancing bears was drawn by Bob
Thomas as part of the back cover for the album History of the Grateful
Dead, Volume One (Bear's Choice). The bear is a reference to Owsley
"Bear" Stanley, who recorded and produced the album. Bear himself
wrote, "... the bears on the album cover are not really 'dancing'. I
don't know why people think they are, their positions are quite
obviously those of a high-stepping march."
dr.narcidan
Even a DEA field agent can be right, once in a while.
Lfh
> > I thought they were high-steppin' into town.
>
> You seem to be most correct, Rap.
>
> I found the Owsley quote from the Dancing Bears link in the wiki
> article cited in the OP to be interesting, and I hadn't read it
> previously . . .
>
> Dancing bears: A series of stylized dancing bears was drawn by Bob
> Thomas as part of the back cover for the album History of the Grateful
> Dead, Volume One (Bear's Choice). The bear is a reference to Owsley
> "Bear" Stanley, who recorded and produced the album. Bear himself
> wrote, "... the bears on the album cover are not really 'dancing'. I
> don't know why people think they are, their positions are quite
> obviously those of a high-stepping march."
Am I the only one who thinks they were ripped straight from the Bear
Wheel Alignment logo?
http://www.marktechauto.com/bearlogo2.gif
Fred
John Doherty
> I found the Owsley quote from the Dancing Bears link in the wiki
> article cited in the OP to be interesting, and I hadn't read it
> previously . . .
>
> Dancing bears: A series of stylized dancing bears was drawn by Bob
> Thomas as part of the back cover for the album History of the Grateful
> Dead, Volume One (Bear's Choice). The bear is a reference to Owsley
> "Bear" Stanley, who recorded and produced the album. Bear himself
> wrote, "... the bears on the album cover are not really 'dancing'. I
> don't know why people think they are, their positions are quite
> obviously those of a high-stepping march."
One great thing about the new HBO show "Treme" is the showcasing of
the second line parades, and mardi gras Krewes and all.
They've had a couple parades with some official dudes in finery high
stepping at the front of the line. The moves are not unfamiliar with
anyone who had attended Dead shows.
Here's a glimpse of Treme steppers (not from the show, but from the
neighborhood):
DanPopp
Are you in the tv biz?
John Doherty
On May 12, 12:07 pm, DanPopp <danp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are you in the tv biz?
Only on the consuming end of it, like we're both in the Grateful Dead
business. I'm in the caricature bidness. Here's my info in case you
didn't know:
www.johndoherty.com
Beatle Art blog:
http://www.johndoherty.com/hiawp.html
I imagine you're still smarting from that Sopranos thing.
"Treme" is a creation of some of the people behind "The Wire" Though
it was never a ratings leader like the Sopranos, it was named the best
show of the decade by many critics, and was on virtually everyone's
top ten lists in any year it aired. In fact, Obama named The Wire as
his favorite show.
"Treme", named for a neighborhood where many musicians live & play, is
an attempt to show post-Katrina New Orleans trying to rise from the
ashes.
Do you have a TV?
MalcolmO
> Wheel Alignment logo?
NO!!! No, Fred, you are not. Since the bears first appeared, I'd thought
they reminded me of some other representation of a bear, a logo. When I
saw it outside the service station, I made the connection.
I'd thought _I_ was the only one! :D
--
Malcolm
"They should know they're the Grateful Dead now." -- Phil
DanPopp
Why would I be smarting from the Sopranos thing? Smarting implies
that some sort of blow was inflicted.
Yes we have TVs in the house. I like some shows, mostly comedies. I
don't tend to go for the soap operaish stuff. Loved Arrested
Development.
Baseball, Jeopardy and cooking (the teaching kind) shows probably
take up most of my TV time. We also see about 8-10 Netflix rentals.
Nuff said
JimK
Will we have to pay royalties if we visit your site?
JimK
John Doherty
> Why would I be smarting from the Sopranos thing? Smarting implies
> that some sort of blow was inflicted.
IIRC, you stated that the Sopranos show "glorifies the mafia".
I responded that you didn't know what you're talking about, something
I still feel about that particular comment of yours.
I was able to cite the greatest critical consensus in the history of
TV that The Sopranos was brilliant, groundbreaking entertainment.
You got awful quite after that on the subject.
That's why I thought this comment was in the context of smarting about
that.
>
> Yes we have TVs in the house. I like some shows, mostly comedies. I
> don't tend to go for the soap operaish stuff. Loved Arrested
> Development.
I loved Arrested Development, too, though I caught it late and have
only seen a couple of seasons.
>
> Baseball, Jeopardy and cooking (the teaching kind) shows probably
> take up most of my TV time. We also see about 8-10 Netflix rentals.
Try the Sopranos from Netflix sometime. You seem intelligent enough
that I can't believe you would keep that opinion if you actually
considered the show.
The Wire is also awesome to rent. Maybe some day, Treme, too...
>
> Nuff said
John Doherty
> On Wed, 12 May 2010 12:46:39 -0700 (PDT), John Doherty
>
> >Only on the consuming end of it, like we're both in the Grateful Dead
> >business. I'm in the caricature bidness. Here's my info in case you
> >didn't know:
>
> >www.johndoherty.com
> >Beatle Art blog:
> >http://www.johndoherty.com/hiawp.html
>
On May 12, 5:15 pm, JimK <jkezw...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Will we have to pay royalties if we visit your site?
>
> JimK
The Beatle blog is my (successful) attempt to build traffic at my
site, which is good for my search engine ratings. It makes my site pop
a little higher each time someone clicks to view it. In exchange, you
get to see a new Beatle drawing each week.
After a year of that, they'll be some more Grateful Dead caricatures
(which band members have seen & enjoyed), which I will flog in here as
I post em.
But no royalties are paid to me by anyone for the Beatles stuff. It's
an act of love (even if some week's drawings are better than
others).;-)
It'll cost you a click, which is roughly the cost of half a smile,
maybe.
DanPopp
I'm prejudiced because I just don't like mafia scumbags and that
prejudice extends to the Sopranos. I saw 5 minutes of one episode
last week and had to turn it off. I knew a few of those guys in high
school/college and they were so ignorant I couldn't stand it. My bad,
I guess.
One story: High school. I went to a girls house the week after her
father was found in the trunk of their Cadillac. We had to take our
shoes off as they had this really thick, new white wall to wall
carpet. Her Mom walked in , big blond bouffant hairdo, dark glasses,
capri pants carrying a little poodle. I guess that was her mourning
attire. See, I told you I like comedy.
grunk
>
> But no royalties are paid to me by anyone for the Beatles stuff. It's
> an act of love (even if some week's drawings are better than
> others).;-)
>
> It'll cost you a click, which is roughly the cost of half a smile,
> maybe.
That all may seem like a good idea now, but just wait until all those
barbers start printing your stuff and taping it up on their walls.
JimK
Okay, but just a heads up: if you're not requiring royalties, Seth is
going to be pissed off at you.
JimK
John Doherty
>
> I'm prejudiced because I just don't like mafia scumbags and that
> prejudice extends to the Sopranos. I saw 5 minutes of one episode
> last week and had to turn it off. I knew a few of those guys in high
> school/college and they were so ignorant I couldn't stand it. My bad,
> I guess.
No, your bad is that you think the show glorifies these guys.
There are some knuckle draggers that don't watch it below the surface,
and they might think that.
But anyone who pays attention will see that the whole big message of
the show is "THESE ARE NOT NICE GUYS".
Tony may seem superficially appealing-- many women find him very
attractive in a way most middle aged, bald fat guys are not. Many guys
vicariously enjoy "riding" with this crew.
But Chase makes several points about the mob, including:
Relentless psychopaths with no conscience like Ralphie or Richie or
Paulie Walnuts rise steadily. Fellow mobsters often praise that they
are "good earners", despite the trail of psychotic mayhem they leave
in their wake. By contrast, Tony's vestiges of conscience are shown to
be his Achille's heel.
Any "civilian" who goes to the mob, believing the myth that they are
"looking out for the neighborhood" inevitably gets chewed up & spit
out by these thugs.
Tony ends up hurting the people he thinks he's protecting, at several
points murdering literal members of his family in order to protect his
business interests.
>
> One story: High school. I went to a girls house the week after her
> father was found in the trunk of their Cadillac. We had to take our
> shoes off as they had this really thick, new white wall to wall
> carpet. Her Mom walked in , big blond bouffant hairdo, dark glasses,
> capri pants carrying a little poodle. I guess that was her mourning
> attire. See, I told you I like comedy.
All that sounds pretty consistent with The Sopranos.
I think your understanding that it "glorifies the mob" is because you
watch little 5 minute excerpts.
It's like stealing a glance at a Raphael nude and claiming he's a
pornographer.
Meniscus
> Tell us....please....why were you looking up "goose step" in the first
> place???
> Hmmmmmm???
>
> TOG
I was in the process of insulting someone with
the phrase when I realized I wasn't sure of
its meaning, so I googled it.
I didn't see the link to Bear's comment; I would probably
not have posted had I read it. I thought some yahoo was just
giving the Dead shit.
John Doherty
"high steppin'" is much friendlier than goose stepping, and the bears
remind me of the line from "Truckin'" (which in turn evokes R. Crumb's
Truckin' imagery) : "more or less in line". I think of Crumb's
truckers, who are strutting, some with the right foot out front,
others with the left, all heading in the same direction, but not at
all a regiment like goose stepping indicates. This evokes the strange
variety of dancing you see among deadheads at a show.
One other goose stepping reference: in the fantastic (Eric Idle/ Neil
Innes) Beatles parody "The Rutles" they do a goof on the great clip of
the pre-fame fabs film clip in the Cavern Club.
In the original, the band fresh from Germany, and with new member
Ringo are plaing the semi-obscure Ray Charles knockoff, "Some Other
Guy".
In the parody, the snatch of lyric we hear is "Goose Step Mama, love
me all night long..."