What GD Concert Would You Like To Attend Again????
The old geezer
Bought tickets late...could still do that then...No Touch-heads around
then.....but had to get tickets *behind* the stage...bummer, I
thought. Ended up being great!
Beautiful Autumn Saturday Night...my pal & I made the drive down the
NYS Thruway from Rochester to Buffalo....no hurry...lotsa
time....found easy parking nearby.....mellow scene....lotta good weed
going around/available....GREAT CONCERT,,,,SHOULD be a Dick's Pick!!!
The seats up behind the stage were great...could see the guys real up
close .....they had speakers all around the stage...not too
loud....great sound.....Second set was fantastic.....did a "PITB"
then went into a lot of other tunes for about an hour & then finished
with PITB...that blew my mind at the time!!! The Drums was insane!!
They had stobe lights going on Bill & Mickey as they pounded
away....just mezmerizing!!! Especially when one in under the
influence!
After the concert....no hurry to get back home...hung around outside
the Aud for a time with the deadheads until the traffic died
down....real good time....The Dead wuz Family then.....afterwards a
quick hour's ride back to Rochester with the old cassette player
blasting my " Just Jerry" tape I made....no Bobby for us!!!
Ahhh..the good ol' daze!!!!
TOG
NP: 9/26/81
ND: Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale
xindeed
First road trip to see the band. Keg of beer in the back of the
Escort. Speeding ticket on the way down from Cleveland - the cop says
"The Grateful Dead ain't worth it, kids. You should just go back
home." Bought tix at venue for show at a tennis court!
Felt The Magic For The First Time!
Jack Straw
Dire Wolf
New Minglewood Blues
Dupree's Diamond Blues
Far From Me
My Brother Esau
Ramble On Rose
Lost Sailor -> Saint Of Circumstance ->
Deal
Shakedown Street ->
Playing In The Band ->
Terrapin Station ->
Drums -> Space ->
Playing In The Band
Truckin' ->
Spoonful ->
Stella Blue ->
Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad ->
One More Saturday Night
Keep Your Day Job
After the show they "closed" the parking lot ("we'd rather have you
stay here than be out on the roads!") and let us stay all night.
I'd give just about anything...
Joker
March 3, 1968, because it was simply unique and mind/life altering in
context. The time was right for dancing in the street!
And June 21, 1971, Pauly Ballroom, Berkeley. Went with my best friend
just after we graduated high school, a last acid drenched GD adventure
before we went our separate ways in life. I seem to remember a Casey
Jones that night, but I don't remember the set list or even if it was
a standout show. But it was a perfect musical night, I'm sure. Like so
many were back then.
3jane.
> context. The time was right for dancing in the street!
> And June 21, 1971, Pauly Ballroom, Berkeley. Went with my best friend
> just after we graduated high school, a last acid drenched GD adventure
> before we went our separate ways in life. I seem to remember a Casey
> Jones that night, but I don't remember the set list or even if it was
> a standout show. But it was a perfect musical night, I'm sure. Like so
> many were back then.
12/31/78. Especially the Blues Brothers part.
Gladys
> Buffalo, NY 9/26/81 the Old Auditorium.
7/8/78
10/11/80
Gladys.
Andrew
> On Nov 16, 4:36 pm, The old geezer <J...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Buffalo, NY 9/26/81 the Old Auditorium.
>>
>
> March 3, 1968, because it was simply unique and mind/life altering in
> context.
Yeah. I'd like to attend that again for the first time...
bzl...@aaool.com
My first show 1/10/79, which went completely over my head at the time.
Set 1:
Promised Land
Dire Wolf
Mama Tried->
Mexicali Blues
Tennessee Jed
Looks Like Rain
Stagger Lee
El Paso
Row Jimmy
Passenger
Loser
The Music Never Stopped
Set 2:
Shakedown Street
I Need A Miracle->
Bertha->
Good Lovin'
Dark Star->
Drums->
Wharf Rat->
Saint Stephen->
Around & Around
E: Johnny B. Goode
Kelly Humphries
Heh. Good thing you have a DVD. :-)
For me:
7/19/87, Autzen Stadium. I'd really like to hear "He's Gone" and watch
that sky-writing airplane spell out in super-slo-mo...
I - M - P - E - A - C - H
one more time. Although I wouldn't wish another Reagan presidency on
anyone.
Also:
12/30/86. I stayed with a friend (his first show) off of Market Street
<insert Sweetbac commentary here> and as we made our way home on BART, I
told him, "THAT is why we go on tour - to catch a show like that one."
Um. And the last Eugene show. And the entire Europe '90 tour. You meant
"concert" plural, right???
kpn...@yahoo.com
I am a bit of a newbie. I come around slow to things like puberty,
marriage, GD, etc. I saw the GD three times in 93 and that was it.
They were good shows, but... I wish I had seen them in Atlanta in 1990
(last year at GIT) or in the fall 1990 at MSG. I walked both lot
scenes but couldn't get a ticket. I have heard one of the Atlanta
shows and one or two of the MSG shows. However, I really would have
liked to have checked one of them out (somewhat realistic).
Kurt
Rev.Logan 714
Grateful Dead & Etta James - Hard To Handle 12-31-1982
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DChW7LtosY
the link for the show
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1982-12-31.sbd.miller.77301.sbeok.flac16
l
Pepe Papon
There are 2 ways to answer this one:
1) A show that was such a great time that I'd love to re-experience:
3/16/73 (my first show)
2) A show that I didn't appreciate enough at the time: 6/26/74.
--
~ Seth Jackson
MySpace URL - http://www.myspace.com/sethjacksonsong
Songwriting and Music Business Info: http://www.sethjackson.net
Wayne S
China Cat Sunflower
I Know You Rider
It's All Over Now
Brown Eyed Women
My Brother Esau
Big Railroad Blues
Cassidy
Loser
Music Never Stopped
Sugaree
Playin' in the Band
China Doll
drums
Truckin'
Black Peter
Sugar Magnolia
U.S. Blues
That was a fun day at the beach. The Sugar Mags was the best I ever
heard live. The following year in Ventura was also a blast. The venue
was just perfect for a GD concert.
Wayne
bitwisebob
wrote:
>What GD Concert Would You Like To Attend Again????
1/22/78 Mac Court
Band Grateful Dead
Venue MacArthur Court - University of Oregon
Location Eugene, OR
Date 1/22/78 - Sunday
One New Minglewood Blues [5:16] ; Dire Wolf [3:55] ; Cassidy [4:38]
; Peggy-O [7:01] ; El Paso [4:34] ; Tennessee Jed [8:31] ; Jack Straw
[5:28] ; Row Jimmy [10:10] ; The Music Never Stopped [8:01]
Two Bertha [6:27] > Good Lovin' [5:40] ; Ship Of Fools [7:18] ;
Samson And Delilah [7:46] ; Terrapin Station [10:50] > Drums [8:06] >
The Other One (1)[21:42] > Saint Stephen [7:39] > Not Fade Away [14:31]
> Around And Around [8:19]
Encore U.S. Blues [5:22]
Comments (1) the Other one [17:04] > Garcia Jam [4:38]. The
Garcia Jam includes quotes from the theme to the movie Close Encounters
of the third Kind
---
Bob Anderson*Bitwisebob
Eugene Oregon
Brad Greer
7/2/88 - Oxford Plains, Maine. Just a magical experience in the Maine
wilderness plus the band was on fire.
3/20/86 - Hampton, Virginia. The breakout of Box of Rain, I thought
the Coliseum was going to levitate.
9/20/82 - Madison Square Garden. My first show. This time, I'd
appreciate it more.
Sherry in Vermont
Sherry in Vermont
Sweetbac
Michael Turner
> "3jane." <q3j...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 12/31/78. Especially the Blues Brothers part.
>
> Heh. Good thing you have a DVD. :-)
>
> For me:
>
>
> 12/30/86. I stayed with a friend (his first show) off of Market Street
> <insert Sweetbac commentary here> and as we made our way home on BART, I
> told him, "THAT is why we go on tour - to catch a show like that one."
It's good to find another fan of 12/30/86. What a great, great show!
For me, I'd like to reattend:
3/18/77 (my first)
3/20/77 (I'd appreciate it more)
12/31/78
9/12/81
12/31/81
sacha
I can't choose one so I'd submit several, any of which would be fine
by me.
Festival Express, Calgary
Bickershaw 72
Lyceum Ballroom, 72. either the 23rd or 26th
Angels Camp 87
Mardi Gras 89
New Years 90
Halloween 91
Patrick
3jane.
> by me.
> Festival Express, Calgary
> Bickershaw 72
> Lyceum Ballroom, 72. either the 23rd or 26th
> Angels Camp 87
> Mardi Gras 89
> New Years 90
> Halloween 91
In truth, one of mine would be 6/21/89 Shoreline. In retrospect I had
more fun at that show than any human being should be allowed in a
lifetime, it should have been illegal (which of course it was). Also
9/28/76 Syracuse War Memorial. Show #2, that's where I got it, no
song breaks in the second set, Playin' sammich, one of those shows.
sacha
oddly enough, all the shows I mentioned were highly lysergic... wonder
if that had anything to do with the enjoyment factor......
Walter Karmazyn
> Buffalo, NY 9/26/81 the Old Auditorium.
>
6-1-67, My first show. Didn't ever dream the ride would last another 28
years (This time I might try to remember a setlist). There are others,
I'm sure. Some of the late shows at the Fillmore East, They were always
on there, it's a fond memory, walking out more than once to the breaking
dawn, heading home into the deeper East Village, buying some fresh fruit
for breakfast on 1st Avenue and seeing the sky begin turning red over
Brooklyn...
W
ML
Michael Turner
Awesome memory, Walter!
Joe
> Some of the late shows at the Fillmore East, They were always
> on there, it's a fond memory, walking out more than once to the breaking
> dawn, heading home into the deeper East Village, buying some fresh fruit
> for breakfast on 1st Avenue and seeing the sky begin turning red over
> Brooklyn...
On leaving the Fillmore East, I think I always stopped by next door at
Ratner's for their Strawberry Shortcake.
Joe
3jane.
I would have stopped at that hideous Russian place across trhe street
(The Kiev?) and watched the cockroaches run up and down the walls.
And ordered some borscht.
Sweetbac
"Joe" <jo...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:707f6$4b045f49$4087c017$51...@FOXVALLEY.NET...
> On leaving the Fillmore East, I think I always stopped by next door at
> Ratner's for their Strawberry Shortcake.
>
> Joe
Wasn't that your street name back then, Jo-Jo?
I'm guessing "Midnight Cowboy" was taken?
Rev.Logan 714
Fillmore West
walk 3 blks. jump on the bus and go to the haight go to rock and
bowl and get some chili cheese fires or go to the pall mall get a love
burger and some party faves shit cab fare was $5
logan
Rev.Logan 714
> Any where Jerry was alive and doing well...
>
> Sherry in Vermont
Sherry I've thought about this a lot. After a lot of shows there are
certain warmer memories for some places other than others. As an
example, as a San Francisco boy going to Wooster MA was like going to
a war zone.
The Oakland Aud, it was like the dead threw a switch The entire
auditorium never stopped dancing. There's nothing like the Aud/Kaiser
The one ramp that goes to the third floor leads to this big dancing
area that nobody knows about. and the sound is good, It's a great
place. Also, the Dead Heads literally danced their way through the
floor. Which is a wooden parky. After I believem, the 81 shows, they
had to replace 6 full floor joists because they were broke. Also, any
Bay Area family never got shut out of the aud. There was always the
Big friendly glow in the dark steal your face to show you the way to
teh lobby when you needed some air. Also, the third floor concession
stand, they never open. And it had a very nice stainless steal shelf
to roll or consume other party favors on. What do they say, "there's
nothing like a grateful dead show."
Logan
Edwin Hurwitz
Brad Greer <jjh1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Do we have to limit it to one? A few, off the top of my head:
>
> 7/2/88 - Oxford Plains, Maine. Just a magical experience in the Maine
> wilderness plus the band was on fire.
Funny you should mention that one. I really preferred the next night,
but most people seem to share your love of the 2nd.
Edwin
--
If you want to make peace, you don't talk to your friends. You talk to your
enemies.
-Moshe Dayan
exene anderson
Hi:
Easy, Hollywood Paladium Aug 6-7 1971, a great two day run
with one of the best Hard To Handle's I've ever heard.
That tune found it's way on to the Phil Zone, still think
that was one of the best non sound board live shows
marcman
Ten years too young to have been able to catch shows at the old FE,
but my Uncle likes to tell the story of the Allman Brothers New Years
show he was at that ended the next morning, walking out to daylight.
(Is that a true story, can anybody confirm or deny, I never bothered
to check him on that, lol). But being born and raised in lower
Manhattan, the Ratner's mention really took me back to my days as a
young child . . . used to go there all the time with my parents.
There are two shows that I'd like to attend again, my first show
9/5/79 MSG, just cause I would appreciate it so much more now, and
also 9/18/87 MSG, maybe the best Morning Dew I ever caught live, not
to mention the GL > La Bamba> GL stuff that was making the rounds and
really stoking up the crowd . . . great question, Geezer!
Walter Karmazyn
> On Nov 18, 3:55 pm, Joe <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Walter Karmazyn <walterkarma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Some of the late shows at the Fillmore East, They were always
>>> on there, it's a fond memory, walking out more than once to the breaking
>>> dawn, heading home into the deeper East Village, buying some fresh fruit
>>> for breakfast on 1st Avenue and seeing the sky begin turning red over
>>> Brooklyn...
>> On leaving the Fillmore East, I think I always stopped by next door at
>> Ratner's for their Strawberry Shortcake.
>>
>> Joe
>
> Ten years too young to have been able to catch shows at the old FE,
> but my Uncle likes to tell the story of the Allman Brothers New Years
> show he was at that ended the next morning, walking out to daylight.
> (Is that a true story, can anybody confirm or deny, I never bothered
> to check him on that, lol).
Never played NYE @ FE, but your Uncle may have his dates mixed up, they
closed the venue in June of 1971, that went into the wee hours of the
morning.
But being born and raised in lower
> Manhattan, the Ratner's mention really took me back to my days as a
> young child . . . used to go there all the time with my parents.
I didn't eat often at Ratner's, I do remember going in there once in the
spring of 1971 to find John Lennon sitting at a table with a local East
Village personality.
W
marcman
> marcman wrote:
> > On Nov 18, 3:55 pm, Joe <j...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> Walter Karmazyn <walterkarma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> Some of the late shows at the Fillmore East, They were always
> >>> on there, it's a fond memory, walking out more than once to the breaking
> >>> dawn, heading home into the deeper East Village, buying some fresh fruit
> >>> for breakfast on 1st Avenue and seeing the sky begin turning red over
> >>> Brooklyn...
> >> On leaving the Fillmore East, I think I always stopped by next door at
> >> Ratner's for their Strawberry Shortcake.
>
> >> Joe
>
> > Ten years too young to have been able to catch shows at the old FE,
> > but my Uncle likes to tell the story of the Allman Brothers New Years
> > show he was at that ended the next morning, walking out to daylight.
> > (Is that a true story, can anybody confirm or deny, I never bothered
> > to check him on that, lol).
>
> Never played NYE @ FE, but your Uncle may have his dates mixed up, they
> closed the venue in June of 1971, that went into the wee hours of the
> morning.
>
Thanks, Walter. Now that you mention it, it's much more likely me
that's remembering his story incorrectly as a NYE show when in fact
he's likely referring to the June 71 closing show. Thanks to you, it's
alllllll coming back to me now, lol!
> But being born and raised in lower
>
> > Manhattan, the Ratner's mention really took me back to my days as a
> > young child . . . used to go there all the time with my parents.
>
> I didn't eat often at Ratner's, I do remember going in there once in the
> spring of 1971 to find John Lennon sitting at a table with a local East
> Village personality.
>
> W
>
Nice!
>
>
>
>
> > There are two shows that I'd like to attend again, my first show
> > 9/5/79 MSG, just cause I would appreciate it so much more now, and
> > also 9/18/87 MSG, maybe the best Morning Dew I ever caught live, not
> > to mention the GL > La Bamba> GL stuff that was making the rounds and
> > really stoking up the crowd . . . great question, Geezer!- Hide quoted text -
>
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Walter Karmazyn
Kiev was on the same block, next corner up (2nd and 7th). I believe it
opened sometime after the FE closed. The only Ukrainian restaurant (the
East Village had a significant Ukrainian population) I remember in those
days on 2nd avenue was Veselka way up on 9th, which is still there btw.
Directly across from the FE for a spell was the Figaro East, a very
late night hippie style cafe I used to frequent. There may've been a
restaurant on that block but I don't remember it. If it was that bad,
maybe I don't want to.
Joe, you must've been going to the early shows? I don't think Ratner's
was open much past midnight, if that late. Could be wrong there.
W
Walter Karmazyn
Glad to be of assistance!
>
>
>
>> But being born and raised in lower
>>
>>> Manhattan,
I wasn't, but my folks, being the church going types, got married in a
church on 2nd St, between 1st and 2nd. Hoping that I would follow in
their church going footsteps, I was baptized in that same place and some
of my family was buried from there, so I spent some serious time in the
Lower East Side before finally moving to the neighborhood after getting
out of school.
W
3jane.
> opened sometime after the FE closed. The only Ukrainian restaurant (the
> East Village had a significant Ukrainian population) I remember in those
> days on 2nd avenue was Veselka way up on 9th, which is still there btw.
Veselka was and no doubt is awesome, I lived on 1st between 9th and
10th 1982-4 and was a regular customer, probably the best kielbasa
I've ever had. I wish there was a place like that in DC though I came
close today with the Ukranian Catholic National Shrine Christmas
Bazaar, those people know high cholesterol food like nobodies
business. Unfortunately it's only one weekend a year.
marcman
Whoaaa! If my memory serves me - and it usually doesn't - I believe
you got married next door to the Hell's Angel's NYC headquarters!
Edwin Hurwitz
Walter Karmazyn <walterk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I recall that Bill Graham talked about meeting with the employees of FE
at Ratner's for postmortem discussions after the shows there. It gave me
the impression that they were open all night. I wish I had had the
opportunity to go to those shows. I have a cousin who's 10 years older
who went to a lot of them growing up. His dad worked in the record
business in those days and got to hang at the after parties, which to
him seemed like the place to be.
Walter Karmazyn
Naw, they're on 3rd St, I believe between 1st and 2nd.
W
Joe
> Joe, you must've been going to the early shows? I don't think Ratner's
> was open much past midnight, if that late. Could be wrong there.
I don't really remember. In the days of early/late shows, I can imagine
being an early show kinda guy.
I use to eat at a place right across from Tomkins Square Park, named
Odessa. A huge plate of stuffed cabbage for maybe $2.
And how I remembered the name of a restuarant I haven't thought of in 35
years amazes me now.
Joe
Walter Karmazyn
>> Kiev was on the same block, next corner up (2nd and 7th). I believe it
>> opened sometime after the FE closed. The only Ukrainian restaurant (the
>> East Village had a significant Ukrainian population) I remember in those
>> days on 2nd avenue was Veselka way up on 9th, which is still there btw.
>
>
> Veselka was and no doubt is awesome, I lived on 1st between 9th and
> 10th 1982-4 and was a regular customer, probably the best kielbasa
> I've ever had.
Where I stay when I'm in NYC is on 9th, just West of 1st. Has been since
forever. Being of Ukrainian descent, my family always expected me to
bring a decent kielbasa home for holiday meals, which I purchased on 1st
between 7th and St Marks Pl, from a Ukrainian meat market that made
their product on site. That place closed a couple years back. Veselka
is going strong still, we go there when I'm in town, my sweetie loves
the place The the name translates to "rainbow" btw. Also good is
Odessa,on Avenue A. I used to go there (and Leshko's a couple doors
down) when I lived there 40 years ago, still dine there too. Can't
vouch for the state of kielbasa in either place, as I've been vegetarian
the last 30 years or so.
I wish there was a place like that in DC though I came
> close today with the Ukranian Catholic National Shrine Christmas
> Bazaar, those people know high cholesterol food like nobodies
> business. Unfortunately it's only one weekend a year.
My sister works in DC, I'll ask her if she knows of any place.
W
LP
There are many, yet the first I think of is 4/20/84 at the old (RIP)
Philly Civic Center. That was so much fun, and the band was rocking
out.
I'd also like to do 6/30/85 Merriweather over again. And 10/6/84.....
Same with 4/6/82 and 12/31/90.
I wish I had some older shows to choose from for "over again". I
started too late, but it was nonetheless a great trip.
LP
LP
> March 3, 1968, because it was simply unique and mind/life altering in
> context. The time was right for dancing in the street!
> And June 21, 1971, Pauly Ballroom, Berkeley. Went with my best friend
> just after we graduated high school, a last acid drenched GD adventure
> before we went our separate ways in life. I seem to remember a Casey
> Jones that night, but I don't remember the set list or even if it was
> a standout show. But it was a perfect musical night, I'm sure. Like so
> many were back then.
You are a very fortunate man.
LP
Joe
restaurant? If so, maybe that's where I used to eat, rather than at a
place I remembered being called Odessa? In any case, it rang a loud memory
bell in my head.
I don't know; it's all so long ago. I lived on East 12th Street, between
2nd and 3rd Avenue from 1968-1972.
Back then, there was a book about Eating in NYC for $2 or Less, and I sure
checked out a lot of the places in there.
And, the thing is...a lot of those $2 meals were great! I remember French
restaurants on 72nd Street and Spanish Food restaurants on 14th Street,
Mexican Restaurants in the Village, Eastern European Food on the Upper
East Side. Ahhh...vague memories, all of them.
I sure don't eat like that anymore. These days, those $2 meals would be
$50 or more.
Joe
Walter Karmazyn
>>> Leshko's a couple doors down
>
> Oh my gawd. That's a name I haven't thought of in decades. Was it a
> restaurant? If so, maybe that's where I used to eat, rather than at a
> place I remembered being called Odessa? In any case, it rang a loud memory
> bell in my head.
Leshko's was on the corner of 7th and A, it closed sometime in the 90's.
Odessa was on the same block, several doors up. Odessa has opened a
second room next door and is quite the late night endup joint for East
Village partiers. I'm thinking other than the The supermarket across
the street (and Key Foods on the corner of 4th, it's about the only
business left on A from the days we lived there.
>
> I don't know; it's all so long ago. I lived on East 12th Street, between
> 2nd and 3rd Avenue from 1968-1972.
>
> Back then, there was a book about Eating in NYC for $2 or Less, and I sure
> checked out a lot of the places in there.
>
> And, the thing is...a lot of those $2 meals were great! I remember French
> restaurants on 72nd Street and Spanish Food restaurants on 14th Street,
> Mexican Restaurants in the Village, Eastern European Food on the Upper
> East Side. Ahhh...vague memories, all of them.
Comes to mind Tad's Steak House of which there are/were? several of in
NYC. Steak dinner for $1.69
marcman
> Joe wrote:
> >>> Leshko's a couple doors down
>
> > Oh my gawd. That's a name I haven't thought of in decades. Was it a
> > restaurant? If so, maybe that's where I used to eat, rather than at a
> > place I remembered being called Odessa? In any case, it rang a loud memory
> > bell in my head.
>
> Leshko's was on the corner of 7th and A,
In the early 70s I spent 2nd 3rd and 4th grades on 8th and B.
> it closed sometime in the 90's.
> Odessa was on the same block, several doors up. Odessa has opened a
> second room next door and is quite the late night endup joint for East
> Village partiers. I'm thinking other than the The supermarket across
> the street (and Key Foods on the corner of 4th, it's about the only
> business left on A from the days we lived there.
>
>
>
> > I don't know; it's all so long ago. I lived on East 12th Street, between
> > 2nd and 3rd Avenue from 1968-1972.
>
> > Back then, there was a book about Eating in NYC for $2 or Less, and I sure
> > checked out a lot of the places in there.
>
> > And, the thing is...a lot of those $2 meals were great! I remember French
> > restaurants on 72nd Street and Spanish Food restaurants on 14th Street,
> > Mexican Restaurants in the Village, Eastern European Food on the Upper
> > East Side. Ahhh...vague memories, all of them.
>
> Comes to mind Tad's Steak House of which there are/were? several of in
> NYC. Steak dinner for $1.69
>
>
>
>
>
> > I sure don't eat like that anymore. These days, those $2 meals would be
> > $50 or more.
>
> > Joe- Hide quoted text -
Walter Karmazyn
> On Nov 22, 7:27 pm, Walter Karmazyn <walterkarma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Joe wrote:
>>>>> Leshko's a couple doors down
>>> Oh my gawd. That's a name I haven't thought of in decades. Was it a
>>> restaurant? If so, maybe that's where I used to eat, rather than at a
>>> place I remembered being called Odessa? In any case, it rang a loud memory
>>> bell in my head.
>> Leshko's was on the corner of 7th and A,
>
> In the early 70s I spent 2nd 3rd and 4th grades on 8th and B.
You went to St. Brigid�s?
W
marcman
>
> W
Nope, we swung the other way. East Side Hebrew Institue. I used to be
able to read and write Hebrew. It's very depressing to admit that I
may have been smarter then, than I am now! Heh . . .
Sherry in Vermont
I think there were so many, in so many different places, with so many
different folks (and lots of the same folks, and those we traveled
with), that it was just a joy to be at the show. Getting IN even
better! <g> I like the Oakland - NYE or CNY shows there were amazing...
any CA shows seemed to have a whole different energy than the East
coast shows... in fact, I think every place they played had its own
special energy. Some "better" than others, for sure. Some were just
amazing... sometimes because of the shows, sometimes because of the
scene, the lot, cops, etc.
Not being a musician, I don't really/can't really "rate" the shows in
terms of musical greatness. The people I was with at the time, and
where we were at made the experience as much as the music did, for me.
Sherry in Vermont
Joe
> Leshko's was on the corner of 7th and A, it closed sometime in the 90's.
> Odessa was on the same block, several doors up. Odessa has opened a
> second room next door and is quite the late night endup joint for East
> Village partiers.
I wouldn't be surpised if, in the boxes of books in my garage, that I
still had one of those Cheap NYC Eats books from the 60s. One of these
days, I might actually look and see...
A vague photo-memory of Leshko's is coming up. But, the place I usually
went to faced Tompkins Square. mid-block, on what must have been A St. I
thought it was Odessa, but maybe not? All I remember ever eating there was
Stuffed Cabbage, but I'm like that...if I go to a restaurant and love
something, that's what I order every time afterwards.
After my trip to England this summer, I have enough frequent flier mileage
for a trip in the Continental US, and certainly NYC is high on the list of
possibilities. Then again, so is New England for the Fall Colors, and for
some odd reason, the warmth of the Florida Keys (where I've never been)
rates high as well.
It's been 11 years since I was last in NYC, but it seems like a million.
The last time I was there, my slum apt building on E 12th street was a
condo, and the 10 story former-residential-drug-treatment-program next
door was a luxury condo. It was weird. I don't even remember seeing ANY
Bowery Bums on 3rd Ave between 13 and 14th, and man oh man, in the late
60s, they owned that street. Then again, I didn't get mugged by any of the
condo dwellers last time I was there.
You get back there pretty often, dontcha Walter?
Joe
Joe
Living there as a adult, married, stoned hippie in the late 60s when it
was "The East Village" was one thing, but going to Elementary School???
Let me be`so bold as to ask: was Heroin 101 a required course, or was it
like gym, an after-school optional extra-credit activity?
Joe
marcman
LOL!
Not quite the "alphabet city" you're referencing, and I don't ever
remember feeling unsafe. I actually lived on the lower east side,
just off Grand and the FDR. I had to walk out of my building, across
the street and wait for a bus - a red bus (remember the red and green
bus lines? :) - then take that bus down to grand and orchard and
transfer to the bus that dropped me at Ave. B and E8th street. My
school, which was a private school in a synagogue, was just two doors
down from the bus stop.
On most days, my mom would make sure I had a dollar bill in my pocket
so that on the way home from school as I waited on the corner of grand
and orchard for the transfer bus to get home, I could go into the
pizza place on that corner and get two slices and a coke for $1.
The heroin that you refer to which was indeed prevelant in the
alphabet city neighborhoods, kind of missed me. As you might imagine,
being sent to a parochial private school as a young boy, I was a
little bit sheltered during those years and was mainly clueless to my
surroundings and the harshest of the harsh realities of life. I did
get mugged once, and that was right in front of my building one day
after school, later than usual, dark and stuff, because that day we
had a field trip to the MoNH. They stole this nifty little counting
machine I had bought in the gift shop (this was before the days of
pocket calculators being $2.00!)
However in deference to your comments, what you say existed definitely
did exist, my Uncle whom I referenced the other day regarding the A
Bros at the FE can attest to that with him being ten years my senior
and spending his first 30 years downtown so I can corroborate that as
well, which btw, was the main reason my folks did their best to send
me to a private school and not a PS.
The funny thing is, that I never knew what drugs were, or even what
trouble was, until my folks moved us from the city out to Long Island
as they wanted a "better" life for their kids. It was there that I
found drugs, trouble, the Grateful Dead, etc.
Joe
> Not quite the "alphabet city" you're referencing, and I don't ever
> remember feeling unsafe. I actually lived on the lower east side,
> just off Grand and the FDR. I had to walk out of my building, across
> the street and wait for a bus - a red bus (remember the red and green
> bus lines? :) - then take that bus down to grand and orchard and
> transfer to the bus that dropped me at Ave. B and E8th street. My
> school, which was a private school in a synagogue, was just two doors
> down from the bus stop.
What you describe sounds very, very different indeed than the East Village
where I lived. And, lucky for you, it was.
All I remember about Orchard Strret was going down there to buy a $2
wardrobe from the long-time street vendors who'd been set up there for
decades. $1.50 for a nice pair of slacks, and 50 cents for a dress shirt.
I imagine that both The East Village and The Lower East Side are long gone
by now.
Joe
3jane.
> wardrobe from the long-time street vendors who'd been set up there for
> decades. $1.50 for a nice pair of slacks, and 50 cents for a dress shirt.
>
> I imagine that both The East Village and The Lower East Side are long gone
> by now.
The East Village now is perhaps the most yuppified neighborhood in
creation, LES is getting there. Heroin 101 has moved elsewhere for
the foreseeable future. Giuiliani/Bloomberg ended up being correct on
this one, the best way to clean out a crime ridden neighborhood is to
yuppify the shit out of it and it's worked in Spanish Harlem, Lenox
Hill, lots of the outer boroughs. It's probably better for most of
the citizenry but I defo preferred it in the old days.
Joe
> The East Village now is perhaps the most yuppified neighborhood in
> creation, LES is getting there. Heroin 101 has moved elsewhere for
> the foreseeable future. Giuiliani/Bloomberg ended up being correct on
> this one, the best way to clean out a crime ridden neighborhood is to
> yuppify the shit out of it and it's worked in Spanish Harlem, Lenox
> Hill, lots of the outer boroughs. It's probably better for most of
> the citizenry but I defo preferred it in the old days.
The last time I visited NYC was in the late 90s, and it was the first time
I'd ever been there without being scared. And people were actually
friendly, and everyone I spoke with credited the change to Rudy Guliani.
I was so impressed that, upon my return home, I decided to write Rudy a
letter of approval. I got as far as visiting his website where I saw that
tell-tale (R) following his name, and I just couldn't bring myself to
sending a Republican any fan mail.
But yeah, I've seen the kindler/gentler New York City, and was just amazed
and impressed. And, even though when he tried to export that hard-ass
attitude to Mexico City, it wasn't at all successful. Until, possibly
recently. I got an e-mail from my best friend who lives there, talking
about how they've finally kicked out the sellers of $1 CDs from the Metro,
and how some many neighborhoods, which have always been architectural
wonders, have been cleared up in recent months, to the point where it
feels safe to go out at night.
Too bad he's a Republican, or I might actually praise Rudy...
As far as the New York of my youth, we're talking about a real crime
spree, on every corner. The first time I ever got mugged was when I was
about 8 years old, waiting for the school bus. By the time my bicycle was
stolen a few years later, I realized that life didn't have to be that
hard. Unfortunately, it took a subsequent burglery in my lobby before I
did anything about it. And, in most ways, I've never looked back, as
spending the last 37 years in the San Francisco Bay Area has been pretty
nice to me.
Joe
x...@xxx.com
Rudy was a republican in name mostly, he was a lifelong democrat who
could never get his party's nomination in NYC. He became a republican
just to get on the ballot initially, but it seems he likes it now.
Read Freakanomics if you want to avoid giving Rudy and co credit for the
decline of crime. Legal abortions had far more to do with the drop in
crime and percentage of criminals than anything Rudy or Braxton did.
With that drop in crime rates came the new developments, residents and
businesses. One thing Guliani did well was jump out in front of positive
trends and take credit for them.
The story goes that he fired his Chief of police for the crime of
getting credited with the drop in crime by the media. When Newsweek put
him on the cover instead of Rudy, Rudy set out to get rid of him the
next day.
Joe
> > did anything about it.
That didn't come out right. It was a burglery of my apartment and a
subsequent mugging in my lobby that drove me from NYC.
What a diiference a few decades makes? These days, the biggest thing to
faze me is to step in dog shit.
> Rudy was a republican in name mostly, he was a lifelong democrat who
> could never get his party's nomination in NYC. He became a republican
> just to get on the ballot initially, but it seems he likes it now.
I didn't know that, and there's a lot of news from THe Old Country that
passes beneath my radar. And, even though I was born there in 1947 and
lived there until 1972, the longer I'm gone, the less I really care about
it.
In fact, it wasn't until the Frequent Flier Mileage kicked in that I'd
thought, even if just semi-seriously, about going back for a visit. We'll
see...
I've been on 25 camping trips in the past 3 years, and being in nature is
what brings me my greatest joy these days. Meeting the Bristlecone Pines
in the White Mountains, sleeping under Port Orford Cedars in the
Siskiyous, camping at a hot springs in the Warner Mountains's Surprise
Valley, hiking to see flowing lava on the Big Island of Hawaii, yeah,
that's what I'm talking about.
But hey, a week of good pizza, and the prospect of Corned Beef from the
Carnegie Deli sure does speak out through the decades.
Joe
Brad Greer
>Too bad he's a Republican, or I might actually praise Rudy...
>
Joe, trust me that there's more wrong with Rudy than just being a
Republican.
Sweetbac
the 5th set...walking out into the sunlight...
then we would head straight to Shmulleys over
on avenue A between 3rd & 4th...dont bother
looking for it...it was torn down in the late 50's
to make room for a metadone clinic....
anyways, we would all still be somewhat high from the
gage sticks I bought off the negro cab drivers who
cruised the clubs back then...Shmulleys was cheap
as hell...a glass of McSorleys cream ale and a knockwurst
sammich ( with kraut and pickle!) set ya back 10 cents...
You newbs try and touch that!