"Eenie Meenie Mynie Mo"..(dumbass content)
Jperdue4
a flight attendant said “Eenie, meenie, minie moe, pick a seat, we gotta
go.” You got it … racial discrimination. One of the women says that she
was bedridden for three days and suffers from unexplained memory gaps as a
result of hearing that little ditty.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=\Culture\archive\200304\CUL200
30416a.html
LannyL
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Forgive my ignorance, but how is that racist? (the link didn't seem to
work)
L
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Jperdue4
Children's Nursery Rhyme Triggers Racial Discrimination Lawsuit
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
April 16, 2003
(CNSNews.com) - A Southwest Airlines flight attendant's use of a popular
children's rhyme - "Eenie, meenie, minie, moe" - has resulted in a federal
racial discrimination lawsuit against the airline filed by two African American
women asking for unspecified financial damages.
One of the two women suing over the allegedly offensive nursery rhyme claims
hearing the rhyme caused her to be bedridden for three days and suffer from
"unexplained memory gaps," according to court documents.
The trial was supposed to start Tuesday in Kansas City, Kan., but U.S. District
Court Judge Kathryn Vratil delayed the case until Sept. 29.
Southwest Airline passengers Louise Sawyer and Grace Fuller allege they
suffered racial discrimination on the flight in February 2001 when flight
attendant Jennifer Cundiff said over the plane's intercom, "Eenie, meenie,
minie, moe; pick a seat, we gotta go." The two women say they were the only
passengers standing in the aisle at the time.
Sawyer and Fuller said that as soon as they heard the rhyme, they were reminded
of the racist version that starts with the phrase: "Eenie, meenie, minie, moe;
catch a n***** by his toe ..."
A more modern version of the nursery rhyme substitutes the offensive phrase
with the words, "Catch a tiger by the toe." The rhyme is traditionally used by
children to pick someone who will be "it." According to at least one word and
phrase historian, the original rhyme using the n-word dates back to about the
mid-19th century.
Sawyer and Fuller, who are sisters, had also originally alleged physical and
emotional distress as a result of the nursery rhyme but earlier this year,
Judge Vratil dismissed that aspect of the lawsuit, narrowing the complaint to
the issue of discrimination.
"The court agrees with the plaintiffs that because of its history, the phrase
'eenie, meenie, minie, moe' could reasonably be viewed as objectively racist
and offensive," Vratil stated in court papers. "The jury, however, must decide
whether Cundiff's remark was racist or simply a benign and innocent attempt at
humor."
Cundiff, who is white, disputes that Sawyer and Fuller were the only ones
standing on the crowded flight. Cundiff said she had been using the rhyme on
several different flights as a humorous way to get passengers to sit. Southwest
Airlines employees are known for their folksy manner and casual atmosphere.
Scott A. Wissel, the Kansas City, Mo., attorney representing Sawyer and Fuller,
declined to comment for this article.
But according to court documents, Sawyer said she was "infuriated by the
[nursery rhyme] comment" and said fellow passengers giggled after it was said,
making her feel alienated.
'Unexplained Memory Gaps'
Fuller believes Cundiff intentionally singled out her and her sister. "It was
like I was too dumb to find a seat," Fuller complained in the court papers.
Fuller, who has epilepsy, said she was so unnerved by the nursery rhyme that
her hands trembled during the trip and she has experienced "unexplained memory
gaps" about the flight ever since.
Fuller also maintains that the nursery rhyme incident caused her to be
bedridden for three days because she suffered a "grand mal seizure." However,
Fuller said she could not medically verify the incident because as a result of
lacking health insurance, she did not seek medical help for the seizure.
Cundiff wrote a report about the incident as part of a Southwest Airlines'
internal investigation.
"The statement I made on Flight 524 was not racist or discriminating, and I am
offended that because I have white skin, suddenly I am a racist," Cundiff
wrote. "Maybe those that run around pointing fingers yelling racist should stop
and turn that finger around."
Southwest agreed with Cundiff and does not believe the phrase was racist or
that she acted inappropriately. Even though Southwest did not ask her to stop
saying the rhyme, Cundiff said she stopped because of the controversy.
Wissel said he is trying to get the courts to prohibit Southwest Airlines
employees from using the nursery rhyme and force the airline to provide
employee training to prevent future racial controversies.
Wissel's clients, Sawyer and Fuller, are seeking an unspecified financial
amount in compensatory and punitive damages.
'Ridiculous Lawsuit'
The lawsuit has provided critics of the American legal system more ammunition
for their tort reform battle.
"Seems sort of a ridiculous lawsuit, but this is the rise of this litigious
culture, where people look to sue at the most insignificant remark," said Steve
Lilienthal, spokesman for the Free Congress Foundation (FCF). The group just
hosted a seminar last week on Capitol Hill focusing on what it considers the
explosion of frivolous lawsuits in America.
"There is no real racist connotation in the phrase. How can you view [that
phrase] as being racist? It just doesn't make sense. Most people would look at
this lawsuit and be dumbfounded," Lilienthal said.
He sees this lawsuit as part of a larger cultural problem, "one more sign of
people who are simply looking to sue," Lilienthal explained. "There is a whole
grievance industry set up based on the increasing use of litigation."
This is not the first time the "eenie, meenie, minie, moe" nursery rhyme has
come under fire. In 2002, government officials in University City, Mo., a
suburb of St. Louis, printed a calendar that had a cover photo of the feet of
five children, one bare and the others with shoes with a caption reading, "Eeny
... meeny ... miny ... moe" (alternate spelling). Most of the kids in the photo
were African American.
After a city employee complained that the calendar was racially offensive, the
city reprinted all 18,000 copies of the calendar with the photo deleted,
according to the Kansas City Star.
E-mail a news tip to Marc Morano.
Send a Letter to the Editor about this article.
Cathy
Yes, that certainly was dumb of that flight attendant not to see how
that rhyme would be offensive to black passengers.
Mark
>Date: 4/17/2003 2:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <13035-3E9...@storefull-2172.public.lawson.webtv.net>
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>Yes, that certainly was dumb of that flight attendant not to see how
>that rhyme would be offensive to black passengers.
Perhaps they, like 99.99% of Americans, didn't bother to read the political
correctness handbook. Or perhaps they were totally unaware of whatever racial
meaning might be in that particular children's rhyme.
Sorry Cathy, but not only is it silly for anyone to be offended by a *very* old
rhyme, but it is outrageous and a huge waste of the courts time to have to hear
a case like this. Why in the hell would they be due any kind of compensation
for this???
I hope they get whacked for filing a frivolous lawsuit, myself.
Mark
JoAnna
"Mark" <mth...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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Yeah -seriously!! I bet she just *didn't know* and that's all! I grew up
knowing the rhyme as "Eenie Meenie Meiny Moe, catch a tiger by the
toe"...etc. Later in life I learned of a version, I guess the original,
which of course is offensive...but I would imagine many people never know it
any way other than as an innocent-sounding rhyme.
Cathy
Perhaps they, like 99.99% of Americans, didn't bother to read the
political correctness handbook. Or perhaps they were totally unaware of
whatever racial meaning might be in that particular children's rhyme.
**********************************************
Yes, perhaps they were unaware but ignorance is no excuse. It often
takes "outrageous" cases like this in order for people to become aware.
Sadly, Mark, many people such as yourself suffer from a myopic view of
things.
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Jperdue4
>that rhyme would be offensive to black passengers.
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your in marin youre opinion doesnt count really......youre naturally
hypersensetive and have lost all connection with reality..pretty common for you
people..
JonP
Jperdue4
there IS no racial slur..the word "tiger" was used...not "NIGGER"..i wonder
does this bitch listen to the friggin radio or watch mtv?...and how does she
feels that HER OWN "people" are the ones using the word ad nauseum these days?
JonP
Jperdue4
>takes "outrageous" cases like this in order for people to become aware.
>Sadly, Mark, many people such as yourself suffer from a myopic view of
>things.
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god your a stupid bitch...
JonP
Cathy
Sorry Cathy, but not only is it silly for anyone to be offended by a
*very* old rhyme, but it is outrageous and a huge waste of the courts
time to have to hear a case like this. Why in the hell would they be due
any kind of compensation for this???
Well, Mark, I find it very sad that you feel this way. Some serious
sensitivity training is in order here.
Fortunately, the judge does not find this case to be either "silly" or
"outrageous and a huge waste of the court's time":
"The court agrees with the plaintiffs that because of its history, the
phrase "eenie, meenie, minie, mo could reasonably be viewed as
oblectively racist and offensive."
As far as compensation is concerned, sometimes a hefty hit in the wallet
is what it takes for some people to see the light. There is a much
bigger picture here. Open your eyes and you might see it.
Jperdue4
>sensitivity training is in order here.
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>Fortunately, the judge does not find this case to be either "silly" or
>"outrageous and a huge waste of the court's time":
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>"The court agrees with the plaintiffs that because of its history, the
>phrase "eenie, meenie, minie, mo could reasonably be viewed as
>oblectively racist and offensive."
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>As far as compensation is concerned, sometimes a hefty hit in the wallet
>is what it takes for some people to see the light. There is a much
>bigger picture here. Open your eyes and you might see it.
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there was no slur and the case will tossed out..im here to tell you that i
believe that cathy and joe are really the same person,i think cathy is joes
"drag" name..Theyre mirror images of the right wing freaked out whackos they
dispise...both of them are terminally closed minded...and apparently blind to
free speech...Im continually shocked and amazed at the lack of intelligence and
critical thinking.....
Youre an idiot babe..its a wonder that you still know how to breathe
JonP
Jeff
news:20030417162141...@mb-m24.aol.com...
Who was Bob Dylan? Just practicing for Jeopardy... Tell me what I've
won...
FWIW, I've heard that nursery rhyme both ways, with "tiger" and the
"n-word." Certainly the n-word can be viewed as objectionable. You don't
always have to *say* something when the *implication* speaks volumes.
Peace,
Jeff
kiz...@attbi.com
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> >cathyi...@webtv.net (Cathy) wrote:
> >Date: 4/17/2003 2:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <13035-3E9...@storefull-2172.public.lawson.webtv.net>
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> >
> >Yes, that certainly was dumb of that flight attendant not to see how
> >that rhyme would be offensive to black passengers.
>
> Perhaps they, like 99.99% of Americans, didn't bother to read the political
> correctness handbook. Or perhaps they were totally unaware of whatever racial
> meaning might be in that particular children's rhyme.
>
> Sorry Cathy, but not only is it silly for anyone to be offended by a *very* old
When my sister and I were young, my mother taught it to us as "...catch
a fellow by the toe." As I got a little older (6-7 yrs old), and
started playing with other kids in the neighborhood, it became "...catch
a tiger by the toe," as that's how they all said it.
It wasn't until I got into high school that I heard a kid using the
original(?), racist version. Unfortunately for him, my friend Karl
(6'2", dark skinned Jamaican) was standing next to me and heard it too.
I guess Karl must've read the politcal correctness handbook because he
sure took offense. Back then, however, lawsuits for things like that
were unheard of. He quickly slapped the taste out of the other kid's
mouth.
Strange how some people are just so...touchy #####
John Bray
"Cathy" wrote
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> "The court agrees with the plaintiffs that because of its history, the
> phrase "eenie, meenie, minie, mo could reasonably be viewed as
> oblectively racist and offensive."
Is this some sort of stupid joke? It really is unbelievable. Does anyone
actually believe the stewardess was being rascist? How exactly did this
cause the "victim" to become bedridden and suffer memory loss?!
> As far as compensation is concerned, sometimes a hefty hit in the wallet
> is what it takes for some people to see the light. There is a much
> bigger picture here. Open your eyes and you might see it.
I got 2 good ones and I still don't see. Was the injury caused by having to
hurry up and get in a seat? Enlighten us please.
JB
Jperdue4
>actually believe the stewardess was being rascist? How exactly did this
>cause the "victim" to become bedridden and suffer memory loss?!
Its called the smell of money...
JonP
D.G. Devin
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>Yes, perhaps they were unaware but ignorance is no excuse. It often
>takes "outrageous" cases like this in order for people to become aware.
>Sadly, Mark, many people such as yourself suffer from a myopic view of
>things.
If I have to stand on my head to see things correctly, then I'm glad I have
the wrong view of things.
If the flight attendant had no knowledge of the original nursery rhyme, and
had no intent to use it in an insulting manner any more than on any previous
occasion when she used it, then it is absurd to say her ignorance is no
excuse.
What's next? Will saying "It's a little nippy out today" on a cold morning
result in lawsuits from any Japanese folks within hearing? Think of all the
everyday expressions we use quite innocently that refer in some way to
particular nationalities, do we have to weed out all of them for fear of
being sued?
How far are we going to go with this insanity? Compulsory hynotism sessions
with govt. shrinks to make sure we aren't harboring prejudiced attitudes
somewhere down deep? This case has been manufactured by hypersensitive
people with greedy lawyers.
LannyL
2172.public.lawson.webtv.net:
> There is a much
> bigger picture here. Open your eyes and you might see it.
>
The bigger picture is that your country is going to pot because of people
suing each other over stupid shit. It is ridiculous already...the lawyers
are ruining it for everyone!
Only in amurika would anyone take a lawsuit like this seriously...
LannyL
2172.public.lawson.webtv.net:
> Yes, perhaps they were unaware but ignorance is no excuse. It often
> takes "outrageous" cases like this in order for people to become aware.
> Sadly, Mark, many people such as yourself suffer from a myopic view of
> things.
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The flight attendant was not ignorant, its not a racist poem. But bringing
attention to it like this will certainly help put the racist version back
into everyone's consciousness. She was merely talking to the women on a
level that they could understand. Who the hell needs to be told to sit
down before a plane takes off? Did they not think it was leaving? Their
only responsibility was to get on the plane and sit down, and that was
obviously too much for them to handle. They are obviously morons to begin
with, and this law suit is proof...
LannyL
> there IS no racial slur..the word "tiger" was used...not "NIGGER"..i
> wonder does this bitch listen to the friggin radio or watch mtv?...and
> how does she feels that HER OWN "people" are the ones using the word
> ad nauseum these days? JonP
I'm going to write a song parody of "my heart will go on" that uses the
word "kike" then I'll sue Celine Dion for making me thing of that "other
version" everytime I hear her song on the radio...
Cha-Ching!!
L
JC Martin
news:Xns9360B315C...@206.172.150.14...
> cathyi...@webtv.net (Cathy) wrote in news:13035-3E9F01D2-303@storefull-
> 2172.public.lawson.webtv.net:
>
> > Yes, perhaps they were unaware but ignorance is no excuse. It often
> > takes "outrageous" cases like this in order for people to become aware.
> > Sadly, Mark, many people such as yourself suffer from a myopic view of
> > things.
> >
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> The flight attendant was not ignorant, its not a racist poem. But bringing
> attention to it like this will certainly help put the racist version back
> into everyone's consciousness.
I never heard the racist version, so this is news to me. Maybe because I
grew up in Oakland?
Anyway, who's to say how it went down. But on the surface, it seems like a
money grab to me. I could be wrong though.
-JC
Toad The Dead Vegan
> I'm going to write a song parody of "my heart will go on" that uses the
> word "kike" then I'll sue Celine Dion for making me thing of that "other
> version" everytime I hear her song on the radio...
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> Cha-Ching!!
You do realize that you have just offended Latin dancers worldwide and
half of China with that racist remark, don't you?
TDV
JC Martin
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> "Cathy" wrote
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> > "The court agrees with the plaintiffs that because of its history, the
> > phrase "eenie, meenie, minie, mo could reasonably be viewed as
> > oblectively racist and offensive."
>
> Is this some sort of stupid joke? It really is unbelievable. Does anyone
> actually believe the stewardess was being rascist? How exactly did this
> cause the "victim" to become bedridden and suffer memory loss?!
That's probably a stretch. But to bring forth this lawsuit, these two women
must have some witnesses to testify on their behalf, no? As I said earlier,
on the surface it seems silly. But hopefully our justice system can sort it
out and find out what the intent was, if any. If this lawsuit is frivolous,
both the women and their attorney should receive penalties.
-JC
Toad The Dead Vegan
>
> Sorry Cathy, but not only is it silly for anyone to be offended by a
> *very* old rhyme, but it is outrageous and a huge waste of the courts
> time to have to hear a case like this. Why in the hell would they be due
> any kind of compensation for this???
> *********************************************
> Well, Mark, I find it very sad that you feel this way. Some serious
> sensitivity training is in order here.
Some serious brain surgery is in order for you missy.
Do you have a re-education camp in Cambodia you can recommend? My
thoughts need to be corrected too. Maybe work will set me free!!!
> Fortunately, the judge does not find this case to be either "silly" or
> "outrageous and a huge waste of the court's time":
LOBOTOMY! LOBOTOMY!! LOBOTOMY!!!
> "The court agrees with the plaintiffs that because of its history, the
> phrase "eenie, meenie, minie, mo could reasonably be viewed as
> oblectively racist and offensive."
I think it insults Minnie Mouse and Moe Howard more than it does anyone
else.
> As far as compensation is concerned, sometimes a hefty hit in the wallet
> is what it takes for some people to see the light. There is a much
> bigger picture here. Open your eyes and you might see it.
That you are insane?
Thank god the majority of people on this board still operate with common
sense, instead of living their lives walking on eggshells and acting
like the firemen in Fahrenheit 451.
To paraphrase Jello Biafra, Nazi Hippies Fuck Off!
TDV
Toad The Dead Vegan
> On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:30:45 GMT, "D.G. Devin"
> <DGD...@worldnet.att.invalid> wrote:
> >What's next? Will saying "It's a little nippy out today" on a cold morning
> >result in lawsuits from any Japanese folks within hearing?
> No, not only the Japanese, but *anybody* with nipples would surely be
> enraged!!
Judgements:
White male with nipples: $2,000
White female with nipples: $3,000
Japanese male: $5,000
Japanese female: $10,000
Japanese male or female with "little nipples": $15,000
Breastfeeding Japanese female with little nipples: $20,000
Breastfeeding Japanese female wih humongous nipples: $22,000
Japanese male or female with no nipples due to horrible accident:
$25,000
Japanese male or female with little artificial nipples installed after
the horrible accident: $50,000
TDV
LannyL
LannyL
What about clowns with superfluous third nipples??
L
volkfolk
"Cathy" <cathyi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Sorry, but it doesn't wash IMO. People need to develop thicker skins, or at
the very least a sense of proportionality (not to mention a sense of humor)
This is a new low in rediculous lawsuits about absolutely nothing. People in
this country spend way too much time trying to apportion blame to others for
their own inability to deal with others. You don't have to like what the
Flight Attendant said, but it hardly rises to the level of a Federal
lawsuit. Some people are offensive and insensitive, but instead of crying
foul, adults get over it and move on with their lives
Scot
Cathy
John Bray wrote:
"Cathy" wrote
"The court agrees with the plaintiffs that because of its history, the
phrase "eenie, meenie, minie, mo could reasonably be viewed as
oblectively racist and offensive."
Is this some sort of stupid joke? It really is unbelievable. Does anyone
actually believe the stewardess was being rascist? How exactly did this
cause the "victim" to become bedridden and suffer memory loss?!
**********************************************
Actually, John, I didn't write that. That was a direct quote from the
Kansas City judge. (Go back and read the article.) But I do agree with
her that the rhyme could be viewed as racist.
Mark
>Date: 4/17/2003 3:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <13035-3E9...@storefull-2172.public.lawson.webtv.net>
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Cathy, by now many others have weighed in with their opinion, let me respond as
well.
I've read your posts and, unlike other folks from Marin who tend to rant
uncontrollably about the evils of the world (except democrats), you've always
been civil and your posts well thought out.
That said, in your response to me you called me "myopic", suggested that I need
"sensitivity training", and told me to "open my eyes so that I might see". All
this because, in my opinion, two women made something out of nothing with the
hopes that they could grab a wad of cash. Were these two women alive in the
mid 19th century and this brought back a flood of repressed emotions??
Probably not.
Unbelievable. I'm 44, and have NEVER heard this rhyme in anything other than a
kids nursery rhyme. I doubt that the flight attendant or most of the
passengers had either. If two silly women can't sit down fast enough on a
plane and some flight attendant uses a popular, non racist nursery rhyme to
hasten their cooperation, I fail to see what the hell this is doing in court.
Hyper-sensitivity, or looking for evil where there is none, hurts everyone in
the end. Eenie meenie miney moe hurts no one, with the possible exception of
the tiger.
These slow moving ladies were going for the green (apologies to any Irish
folks), and I hope, in the end, it comes out of their pocket.
Mark
Jperdue4
So, this rhyme means that she believes that she was superior over these blacks
simply based on her skin color?
You dont know the meaning of racist..
Youre a proffesional victim if you get upset over this stuff...Some people love
to be victims, it takes away any responsibltiy that they would otherwise have
to take for their own actions.
JonP
Cathy
Sorry, but it doesn't wash IMO. People need to develop thicker skins, or
at the very least a sense of proportionality (not to mention a sense of
humor) This is a new low in rediculous lawsuits about absolutely
nothing. People in this country spend way too much time trying to
apportion blame to others for their own inability to deal with others.
You don't have to like what the Flight Attendant said, but it hardly
rises to the level of a Federal lawsuit. Some people are offensive and
insensitive, but instead of crying foul, adults get over it and move on
with their lives
Scot
Tell it to the judge who decided to move the case forward.
Many people have been giving the flight attendant the benefit of the
doubt that she didn't know the racist version. Maybe she didn't and
maybe she did. It is up to the court to decide.
Consideration should also be given to the women who said they were
offended by this historically racist rhyme being blasted over the
microphone on that flight. To trivialize or invalidate them or chastise
them for not putting up and shutting up is insensitive and offensive.
The judge feels that they deserve their day in court and now it is up to
the jury to decide.
Toad The Dead Vegan
> Tell it to the judge who decided to move the case forward.
I'd love to. What's his e-mail address?
> Many people have been giving the flight attendant the benefit of the
> doubt that she didn't know the racist version. Maybe she didn't and
> maybe she did. It is up to the court to decide.
Have you ever flown Southwest? The staff are encouraged to joke around
and be goofy (at least pre-9/11). They used to ham it up during the
safety instructions. On one flight I was on a few years ago, a flight
attendant hid in an overhead compartment and yelled BOO when someone
opened it. The flight attendants make fun of each other and the
captain. The captain makes fun of the flight attendants. They sing.
They giggle. They act silly.
Pretty weird way to run an airline, but they are always adding flights,
are cheap, and actually make money.
Maybe you should look at the context in which this kids nursery rhyme
(which I had no clue was ever racist) was used. It was a joke.
> Consideration should also be given to the women who said they were
> offended by this historically racist rhyme being blasted over the
> microphone on that flight. To trivialize or invalidate them or chastise
> them for not putting up and shutting up is insensitive and offensive.
> The judge feels that they deserve their day in court and now it is up to
> the jury to decide.
It's odd that your defense of this lawsuit seemingly revolves around "a
judge agreed" argument. "A court will decide". Many judges in many
courts jail pot smokers, so I guess they must be right too!
The argument against this money grab is that the judge is an idiot.
Many judges are idiots. They deserve to be called idiots when they act
like idiots.
TDV
Toad The Dead Vegan
> Tell it to the judge who decided to move the case forward.
I'd love to. What's his e-mail address?
> Many people have been giving the flight attendant the benefit of the
> doubt that she didn't know the racist version. Maybe she didn't and
> maybe she did. It is up to the court to decide.
Have you ever flown Southwest? The staff are encouraged to joke around
and be goofy (at least pre-9/11). They used to ham it up during the
safety instructions. On one flight I was on a few years ago, a flight
attendant hid in an overhead compartment and yelled BOO when someone
opened it. The flight attendants make fun of each other and the
captain. The captain makes fun of the flight attendants. They sing.
They giggle. They act silly.
Pretty weird way to run an airline, but they are always adding flights,
are cheap, and actually make money.
Maybe you should look at the context in which this kids nursery rhyme
(which I had no clue was ever racist) was used. It was a joke.
> Consideration should also be given to the women who said they were
> offended by this historically racist rhyme being blasted over the
> microphone on that flight. To trivialize or invalidate them or chastise
> them for not putting up and shutting up is insensitive and offensive.
> The judge feels that they deserve their day in court and now it is up to
> the jury to decide.
It's odd that your defense of this lawsuit seemingly revolves around "a
Marley1372
as being racist. Unfortunatley, it WASNT racist. Cathyinmarin, if you are
ignorant enough to belive that the woman who blurted it out on the airplane
ACTUALLY INTENDED to do harm to the african american passengers, then you are
one of 2 things:
1. just a moron or..
2. one of the many african americans that never suffered a bit from slavery or
the horrible racism that went on in the 30's, 40's and 50's(or from people
using the N word in a nursery rhyme) but still think that they are OWED
something because a bunch of people that they never even knew suffered from
some undoubtedly nasty situations. I agree that african americans have
struggled in the past and I am ashamed at what our anscestors did to them.
HOWEVER- since I am not going to be punished for what my white ancestors put
an entire people through, I dont think that people with black ancestors should
be given any handouts because of it. Quite simply, racism is alive and well
still today, BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE THIS. Racism only lives on because people
keep going back to it as an excuse. This is a time of greater acceptance of
groups that unfortunatley have not been accepted in the past, be it gay and
lesbian, african american, jewish, whatever. When people keep bringing it up
and fueling the fire, it never goes away. African americans have painful
memories of a PAST that they never participated in. As horrible as it was, why
would you want to keep remembering it and suffering the rest of your life???
think of the future!!!! get on with it!
"you wouldnt want to die and find out, you havent lived at all"
"have you lived at all"?
Toad
Jperdue4
are people so effected by the use of that word, then wouldnt that mean, that if
you got up in front of a large enough group of folks that you could
yell..."NIGGER!!".....and some of them would actually collapse on the ground,
unable to get up for three days...
lol
JonP
Neil Krueger
jcma...@sonic.net wrote on 4/17/03 6:23 PM:
Man, I grew up in a second-generation German family that was racist like you
wouldn't believe. If they weren't railing against the money-grubbing Jews,
they were trashing the lazy and shiftless blacks.
My mother spent almost every family gathering arguing with her parents and
in-laws about racial issues. On the way home from these gatherings, she
would always deliver a long lecture to me about the evils of racism. If it
weren't for that, I'd be a closed-minded bigot for sure.
My Grandpappy recited the racist version of this poem to me literally
hundreds of times. But only when he was sure my mother couldn't hear.....
My Grandfather would finish the poem with: "If he hollers let him go/Slap
him down and tell him no!"
My associations to this poem are indelibly marked with the worst kind of
racism. I get queasy and sad thinking about it. My relatives were good,
kind people in most ways. But they were horribly misguided about race
relations.
Peace,
Neil X.
Cathy
It's odd that your defense of this lawsuit seemingly revolves around "a
judge agreed" argument. "A court will decide". Many judges in many
courts jail pot smokers, so I guess they must be right too!
The argument against this money grab is that the judge is an idiot. Many
judges are idiots. They deserve to be called idiots when they act like
idiots.
TDV
***********************************************
The point I have been making since the beginning of this thread is that
I can see how this rhyme can be taken as racist. I only brought up the
judges decision in my recent posts. My reason for doing this is to point
out that no matter what you or I or anyone else thinks, and like it or
not, it is the judge who decides if the case goes forward.
There are two sides to this story. Both sides deserve to be heard and
need to be considered. So many readily jump to the white attendant's
defense and accuse the African Americans of money grabbing. What is
this? White is automatically right? You guys (my bet is that you are
all or mostly all white) see this one way and the minority women see it
another. THAT is the reason cases like this end up in court.
Oh, and by the way Toad, what does judges throwing pot smokers in jail
have to do with the price of smoke? That is an entirely different
subject.
News Poster
I for one am happy to start a class action law suit against the entire
Rap/Hip Hop musical industrial complex for the ontold harm and distress they
have caused African Americans for their blatant use of that "N" word.
Can we find some African Americans (maybe the two from this story) to be
plaintiffs -- ooooh man I'm looking at beach front property already.
LannyL
@mb-m16.aol.com:
> Eenie meenie miney moe hurts no one, with the possible exception of
> the tiger.
>
But you let him go if he hollers...no harm, no foul
volkfolk
Try this on for size. There is a world full of professional victims our
there. They make excuses about why they aren't successful, they are always
looking to avenge some real or imagined wrong, and they are always looking
to punish people whom they feel slighted by.
Maybe the remark was racist and maybe it wasn't, but even if it was (which I
REALLY doubt BTW) So what? The world is filled with stupid, racist people,
are these women so fragile that they are going to suffer blackouts and
become bedridden everytime somebody hurts their feelings? If so then they
need to get help, and should remove themselves from society, because they
are going to be constantly bedridden and unable to function.
I will concede that I can see how the rhyme could be construed as racist,
but it still doesn't make any difference to me, I think that the problem
lies with the people who are claiming to be hurt by this. If they really are
so freaked out they need psychiatric help and if they aren't then they need
to be slapped with court fees and a frivilous lawsuit fine.
There is NO third option IMO.
Scot
John Bray
>
> What about clowns with superfluous third nipples??
>
> L
I've done some research and 3rd nipple mentions are absolute thread killers
<behind only the use of Nazi & Hitler>.
JB
Toad The Dead Vegan
I have no idea what you're asking. All I'm saying is that just because
some kooky judge somewhere makes a decision that doesn't mean the
decision makes any sense.
It makes no sense for judges to legitimize this crazy lawsuit, just as
it makes no sense for judges to jail pot smokers. Both may have some
legal validity based on the current state of the laws, but both
scenarios are absurd and should never be allowed to happen again.
TDV
Toad The Dead Vegan
Excellent point. Even if the flight attendant directly called the women
niggers, how are they entitled to money?
Where are the damages?
There is no constitutional right to not be offended.
TDV
Cathy
I will concede that I can see how the rhyme could be construed as
racist, but it still doesn't make any difference to me, I think that the
problem lies with the people who are claiming to be hurt by this. If
they really are so freaked out they need psychiatric help and if they
aren't then they need to be slapped with court fees and a frivilous
lawsuit fine.
There is NO third option IMO.
Scot
You think that the problem lies in the people who are claiming to be
hurt by this. (AKA blaming the victim) There are those, such as myself,
who see the problem in the racism itself. And yes, as you stated, racism
does exist but that doesn't make it right. It also doesn't mean that
those who are subjected to it should have to put up with it or "remove
themselves from society."
You argue that if in fact the women were hurt by this that they should
seek psychiatric help and if they weren't they should be slapped with
court costs and frivolous lawsuit fees. And what about the attendant?
What if she did say that with malicious intent? She need not be held
accountable for her wrong doing? Again I ask: What is this? White is
automatically right?
Again, there are two sides to the story. And your opinion is your
opinion. That is all that it is. It doesn't count any more than
anybody else's, And I will say it again: THAT is why these cases end up
in court.
Jperdue4
>
WHOA!!WHOA!!...Those ARE black people.....Theyre allowed to be
"racists"...theyre allowed to refer to whites they hate as "redneck" "white
boy"..whatever...They can even say NIGGER on your television over and over and
over and over again,......and it gets the show great ratings!.(the chappelle
show comedy central...also the FUNNIEST show on tv)...You, as a white person ,
are not really allowed to participate in free speech really...your not
black...your not a profesional victim....
The double standards also extend to women and what theyre allowd to do to men
and children....white men are the most discriminated against group in this
country...But we just dont whine about it, we laugh..its funny...i see
commercials on tv daily that, if it were a man doing or saying the exact same
thing to or about a woman, he would be strung up...
JonP
Shelby0314uk
Is anyone here with a brain thinking this really has the merit to bog down an
already overloaded justice system?
That's what's wrong with this country. (besides the administration I
mean....sorry Joe!)
Too many sue-happy people after the quick buck! Look at the black secret
service agents that didn't get good enough service at Denny's???? Wake up
folks...NOBODY gets good service at Denny's....but you know that long before
you resort to eating there.
Down with ambulance chasers!
Alan Topal
> On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:18:09 -0700 (PDT), cathyi...@webtv.net
> (Cathy) wrote:
>
>>
>>Tell it to the judge who decided to move the case forward.
>>
>>Many people have been giving the flight attendant the benefit of the
>>doubt that she didn't know the racist version. Maybe she didn't and
>>maybe she did. It is up to the court to decide.
>>
>>Consideration should also be given to the women who said they were
>>offended by this historically racist rhyme being blasted over the
>>microphone on that flight.
>
>
>
>>To trivialize or invalidate them or chastise
>>them for not putting up and shutting up is insensitive and offensive.
>>The judge feels that they deserve their day in court and now it is up to
>>the jury to decide.
>
>
I'm 41 and this is the first I've ever heard of it.
-Alan
John Hanson
> >GREAT!! Does this we can get all Rap music taken off the shelves?
> >
>
> WHOA!!WHOA!!...Those ARE black people.....Theyre allowed to be
> "racists"...theyre allowed to refer to whites they hate as "redneck" "white
I realize you're the last of the red hot free-thinkers and that no
pussified, politically correct bullshit is going to silence you and
all that other rugged individualist nonsense, but you use that one
word so often that I have to wonder whether you don't get a little
twinge of excitement every time you type it. Kind of like the one I
got when I was five and said "fart" over and over at dinner until
someone noticed. Why not give it a rest - there's nothing heroic
about boorish behavior.
John H.
Jperdue4
>twinge of excitement every time you type it.
The better question is why are so titilated at it?...Is it like porn to
you?...your KNOW youve been taught its "bad"...but you cant stop looking.....I
dont consider the word "bad"...i do realize it freaks some people out...Did you
write the chappel show and ask them the same thing?...of course not..hes
black...by the way, i dont really use it that often...unless its during some
cry baby political correctness bs session....i DO point out that i hear that
word several times a day, and its never from white people...Dont hate the
player yo..hate the game....
:)
JOnP
LannyL
@rwcrnsc53:
> are these women so fragile that they are going to suffer blackouts and
> become bedridden everytime somebody hurts their feelings? If so then they
> need to get help, and should remove themselves from society, because they
> are going to be constantly bedridden and unable to function.
>
They should hear what I'm calling them right now!
LannyL
@storefull-2176.public.lawson.webtv.net:
> You think that the problem lies in the people who are claiming to be
> hurt by this.
It is. The key word there is "claiming".
> (AKA blaming the victim)
There is no "victim". No crime has been committed. The only crime is
these stupid bitches wasting the court's time and taxpayers' money.
> There are those, such as myself,
> who see the problem in the racism itself.
Really? Racism is a problem? Did you think of that all by yourself?
> And yes, as you stated, racism
> does exist but that doesn't make it right.
It also didn't occur in this case, which makes the lawsuit frivolous. It
would even be frivolous if the fligt attendant had said "sit down, you
stupid niggers". Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing.
> It also doesn't mean that
> those who are subjected to it should have to put up with it or "remove
> themselves from society."
Actually, it does. If they are going to imagine racist connotations to
every simple expression, they they should not be around people. They
obviously can't handle functioning in today's world, so they should
probably withdraw...
> You argue that if in fact the women were hurt by this that they should
> seek psychiatric help and if they weren't they should be slapped with
> court costs and frivolous lawsuit fees. And what about the attendant?
> What if she did say that with malicious intent? She need not be held
> accountable for her wrong doing?
Yes, if she did something that is bad for business she should lose her
job. Are there now laws against malicious behaviour? If black people
don't like it they should stop flying southwest.
> Again I ask: What is this? White is
> automatically right?
No, but cash-grabbers are so obvious and are automatically wrong.
> Again, there are two sides to the story. And your opinion is your
> opinion. That is all that it is. It doesn't count any more than
> anybody else's,
It counts more than yours, because he's not a fucking nutcase.
> And I will say it again: THAT is why these cases end up
> in court.
>
I'll say it again, your country is the only one that would even let crap
like this see a court. That doesn't mean it's right.
L
PS. I'm calling you a moron, sue me.
JC Martin
news:3E9F2B2D...@hotmail.com...
> Cathy wrote:
> >
> > Sorry Cathy, but not only is it silly for anyone to be offended by a
> > *very* old rhyme, but it is outrageous and a huge waste of the courts
> > time to have to hear a case like this. Why in the hell would they be due
> > any kind of compensation for this???
> > *********************************************
>
> > Well, Mark, I find it very sad that you feel this way. Some serious
> > sensitivity training is in order here.
>
> Some serious brain surgery is in order for you missy.
>
> Do you have a re-education camp in Cambodia you can recommend? My
> thoughts need to be corrected too. Maybe work will set me free!!!
>
> > Fortunately, the judge does not find this case to be either "silly" or
> > "outrageous and a huge waste of the court's time":
>
> LOBOTOMY! LOBOTOMY!! LOBOTOMY!!!
>
> > "The court agrees with the plaintiffs that because of its history, the
> > phrase "eenie, meenie, minie, mo could reasonably be viewed as
> > oblectively racist and offensive."
>
> else.
>
> > As far as compensation is concerned, sometimes a hefty hit in the wallet
> > is what it takes for some people to see the light. There is a much
> > bigger picture here. Open your eyes and you might see it.
>
> That you are insane?
>
> Thank god the majority of people on this board still operate with common
> sense, instead of living their lives walking on eggshells and acting
> like the firemen in Fahrenheit 451.
>
> To paraphrase Jello Biafra, Nazi Hippies Fuck Off!
"Don't you worry it's never a frown, when you mess with President Brown"
-Jello & DK
-----------
*L* Gotta love Jello man. One of my all-time favorite social critics.
-JC
George The Kat
> > > sensitivity training is in order here.
"Draw FASTER, children!! FASTER!!"
-- South Park tolerance camp kommandant
Marley1372
cry out at every word muttered by anyone that could in some fucked up way be
viewed as racist. I hear the word "nigger" all the time, everyday, everywhere
I go. Guess what?? the people abusing this word most often are indeed african
american. Why is it perfectly acceptable for rappers like eminem(who is white)
to use this word and not be busted by the sensitivity police? Cathy, the
argument you use about "white is automatically right" is a load of shit. If it
were the exact reverse situation and the flight attendant was black, and the
offended people were white, I would have the same stance as I do in this case.
ANYONE who brings up charges like that, regardless of thier ethnic background
is a moron. For some reason african americans think they they are the only
ethinic group that suffers from racism. Dont get me wrong, I am open to all
people of all backgrounds and belive that we are all equal regardless of what
color our skin is or where we came from. Plain and simple: african americans
are doing the best they can at keeping racism a big issue, and its working.
Toad
Jperdue4
>Cathy
>cry out at every word muttered by anyone
Ive never seen, her but she lives in Marin County Cal...pretty safe bet that
shes NOT black...unless she cleans houses or does yardwork there..
lol
JonP
JC Martin
news:30001edc.03041...@posting.google.com...
I guess I never grew up from that one. :-)
-JC
Toad The Dead Vegan
> > To paraphrase Jello Biafra, Nazi Hippies Fuck Off!
> "Don't you worry it's never a frown, when you mess with President Brown"
>
> -Jello & DK
> -----------
>
> *L* Gotta love Jello man. One of my all-time favorite social critics.
And he went after EVERYBODY, not just one side of the spectrum.
California Uber Alles!
TDV
Cathy
It might be a good idea for you guys to direct all of your anger and
outrage to U.S. District court Judge Kathryn Vatril in Kansas City,
Kansas, because it certainly is being lost on me. She is the judge who
decided to move the case forward. If you don't like her decision then
let her know and see where that will get you because you surely are not
accomplishing anything by lashing out at me.
LannyL
2177.public.lawson.webtv.net:
Most of us have faith that the court will realize the frivolity and decide
not to reward those broads with the cash they are so desparately grabbing
at.
The anger and outrage stems entirely from your ignorance and insistance on
defending those stupid women who couldn't sit their sorry asses down so the
plane could take off..
L
Toad The Dead Vegan
Quoting Jello Biafra is lashing out at you? Some serious sensitivity
training is in order here. The kind of training where you learn to not
be so sensitive.
You certainly picked an odd post in which to demonstrate that you
yourself, much like the money grubbing hags you support, enjoy playing
the victim even when there is no reason to feel like one. But you
demonstrated it anyway.
JC made a funny and referred to a classic punk social critic that
apparently we both appreciate. I posted the name of the song from which
the line he quoted came. It refers to a tendency (still alive and well,
as demonstrated here) for many California liberals to behave as if they
were the thought police, forcing their lifestyles and beliefs on
everyone else, and offering up scathing criticism of those that dare to
deviate from the party line. This tendency is the antithesis of free
thinking.
At no time was I even thinking about you or your wacky opinions. I made
one post (until this one, which was provoked) that directly mocked
you.
I'll be happy to direct some well deserved bile at the idiot judge;
thanks for the info.
Another oddity: you make numerous posts defending this idiotic lawsuit,
then are offended when someone criticizes you for your position. I hope
you don't feel like you have to take to bed for three days....
People post things, then they get knocked for it; it happens to me every
time I post anything political. It's usually a matter of minutes before
Joe or John Doherty or Timothy Lynch or someone else starts the
lambasting. Of course I don't mind, because I understand that contrary
responses are part of the territory on Usenet. In fact, it would be
rather boring to post something and have 100 people respond with "me
too!". I enjoy the back and forth most of the time. Even if I didn't
it would never occur to me to tell people to leave me out of it when I
was already participating.
I haven't commented in this thread (as jon has) about Marin and how many
people there think. But having been born and raised there and as one
who continues to visit and still knows scores of people there, I think I
can speak with some authority on the matter. I see this as an excellent
opportunity to describe what I see. If this doesn't apply to you,
please don't take it personally.
Many Marinites live in a bubble. The bubble secures them from minority
groups and the lower socio-economic classes, as they are confined to a
few run down neighborhoods (Canal, Marin City). The saving of open
space drove land and housing prices so high that the millionaires are
permanently protected from the riff raff. The bubble dwellers rant and
rave about how intolerant the rest of the country is, when the reality
is that almost every non-Marinite lives in a far more diverse and
egalitarian environment than they do. Every social cause imaginable,
from the serious to the trivial, is championed by the Marinites, yet the
emphasis appears to be on the trivial. The excess leisure enjoyed by
many Marinites encourages this phenomenon of focusing on micro-issues.
They have nothing better to do than to try to continue their charade
that they are a superior life form. They have a need to self-validate
their otherwise unproductive existence. Hence we see things like
support for people who had to take to bed for three days upon hearing a
harmless rhyme used on playgrounds across America to pick dodgeball
teams. This is NOT how it used to be. The county was always crazy,
producing a large number of musicians, artists, writers, and activists
of every variety. Almost every new social trend had at least some roots
in Marin. It was an anything goes environment. People experimented
with everything. It was a vibrant, exciting place with the most open
minds on the planet.
Unfortunately, that tradition seems to have faded into the sunset. Now
I see way too many examples of dogmatic ideologues, intolerant of anyone
who thinks for themselves. There is an accepted truth, and deviating
from it results in lame, knee-jerk charges of racism and sexism. These
concepts weren't learned from ever having any actual experience with
them (not in the bubble...), but from sitting through university
lectures and activist group symposiums where allegedly learned men and
women droned on and on about how awful everyone but themselves and their
ilk really were. The zombie like audience nodded approvingly.......it's
become the Stepford County. Dermotologists are making a fortune there,
not only by doing face peels and Botox injections, but by treating the
large masses of Marinites with tissue-paper-for-skin conditions.
Marinites: Return to your past! Embrace diversity! Celebrate personal
independence! Throw off the shackles of the fascist "leftists"! Keep
it real!
TDV
Neil Krueger
Dav...@hotmail.com wrote on 4/18/03 10:32 PM:
> There is an accepted truth, and deviating
> from it results in lame, knee-jerk charges of racism and sexism. These
> concepts weren't learned from ever having any actual experience with
> them (not in the bubble...), but from sitting through university
> lectures and activist group symposiums where allegedly learned men and
> women droned on and on about how awful everyone but themselves and their
> ilk really were.
For what it's worth, I've waded through far more droning, self-important,
pompous lectures about the horrors of "political correctness run amok" than
I have about any other topic.
Gee, you don't like political correctness. Take a number and have a seat.
Peace,
Neil X.
Cathy
Quoting Jello Biafra is lashing out at you? Some serious sensitivity
training is in order here. The kind of training where you learn to not
be so sensitive.
You certainly picked an odd post in which to demonstrate that you
yourself, much like the money grubbing hags you support, enjoy playing
the victim even when there is no reason to feel like one. But you
demonstrated it anyway.
Nope, quoting Jello Biafra is not lashing out at me. And I never said
that it was. I didn't even mention your name, I said you guys. If the
shoe fits then wear it and if it doesn't then don't.
My posts are pretty simple to understand but you still manage to
misinterpret them and read things into them that aren't there. It might
help if you stayed focused on the subject of the thread without jumping
all over the place about things that have nothing to do with the topic.
You have so much floating around in your head that you are having a hard
time comprehending what you are reading. Just a suggestion.
Toad The Dead Vegan
> Quoting Jello Biafra is lashing out at you? Some serious sensitivity
> training is in order here. The kind of training where you learn to not
> be so sensitive.
> You certainly picked an odd post in which to demonstrate that you
> yourself, much like the money grubbing hags you support, enjoy playing
> the victim even when there is no reason to feel like one. But you
> demonstrated it anyway.
> ***********************************************
>
> Nope, quoting Jello Biafra is not lashing out at me. And I never said
> that it was. I didn't even mention your name, I said you guys. If the
> shoe fits then wear it and if it doesn't then don't.
You replied to my post which was a reply to another guy's, then you
referred to "you guys". Who am I supposed to think you were replying
to?
LOL.
TDV
Cathy
You replied to my post which was a reply to another guy's, then you
referred to "you guys". Who am I supposed to think you were replying to?
Get over yourself, Toad. You are not that significant.
Jperdue4
i didnt realize the judge was a chick....theres your ptoblem right there
JonP
Jperdue4
yeah toad, you dont matter, youre not in marin county
lol
JonP
Cathy
i didnt realize the judge was a chick....theres your ptoblem right there
JonP
What? You didn't read the article? That information was easily
retrieved from the article that YOU posted!
I guess there is no use in boggling your mind with the facts before
jumping to conclusion, eh perdue? ####
Joe
> Many Marinites live in a bubble. The bubble secures them from minority
> groups and the lower socio-economic classes, as they are confined to a
> few run down neighborhoods (Canal, Marin City). The saving of open
> space drove land and housing prices so high that the millionaires are
> permanently protected from the riff raff. The bubble dwellers rant and
> rave about how intolerant the rest of the country is, when the reality
> is that almost every non-Marinite lives in a far more diverse and
> egalitarian environment than they do. Every social cause imaginable,
<SNIP>
To: Toad the Dead Vegan
From: The Marin County Commission on Exiles
At the time you were exiled from Marin County, you were informed that your
status could be changed at any time. However, the Commission has reviewed
your latest application to return to Marin County, and they have voted
unanimously to extend your exile for at least 10 more years. You are free
to re-apply in April, 2013.
Cathy
Now that this thread has wound down and not too many people will be
reading this, perdue, I am going to illustrate how a rhyme can be taken
as offensive. Maybe you can better empathize with the women if your are
on the receiving end. This is for illustrative purposes only.
Teenie, weenie, heiney whore
jonperdue you better mop the floor.
Get back in the kitchen and start fixing dinner,
For your wife, the hard working breadwinner.
Teenie, weenie, heiney whore
jonperdue do want to hear some more?
Nah, enough is enough. I think I'll stop.
You still have that floor to mop.
As I said, this is only an example of how a rhyme can be seen as
offensive. Maybe you can see it differently if it were directed toward
you. And then again, maybe not. I will not think of you as a
"dumbass" for feeling offended. I know that intellect and emotion are
two different things. (That is not to say that I don't think you are a
"dumbass" for other reasons.) I will not say that you should remove
yourself from society or get thicker skin or a sense of humor if you
find this to be offensive. (as some of the other posters of your like
mind said the two women should do.)
Frivolous is in the eye of the beholder.
I realize that this could very well spark a rash of vile name calling
and anger spewing, but that is to be expected. It is your M.O. And
then again, it would only go to prove the point that rhymes can be
offensive.
Jperdue4
See,,i think that was funny..im not upset at all
but i KNOW i could put you in the fetal position sucking your thumb, or
something sweeter and send you to bed for a week with one joke...
thanks for the gigle, you didnt offend me one bit...but im really glad that you
think of me soo much...do i enter your mind when your gettin banged from
behind?
Think of me next time darlin...
"Now, if youve got anymore feelins to express, get in the kitchen and putem in
a bundt cake"
Cotton Hill......
:)
JonP
The Iron Muffin
> My posts are pretty simple to understand but you still manage to
> misinterpret them and read things into them that aren't there.
Welcome to Usenet.
> It might
> help if you stayed focused on the subject of the thread without jumping
> all over the place about things that have nothing to do with the topic.
Enjoy the free margarine.
> You have so much floating around in your head that you are having a hard
> time comprehending what you are reading. Just a suggestion.
I see you'll be right at home here.
--
The Iron Muffin
DEAD FREAKS UNITE
Who are you? Where are you?
How are you?
Cathy
"Now, if youve got anymore feelins to express, get in the kitchen and
putem in a bundt cake"
I am not nearly the housewife that you are jon. Maybe you can share
your recipe.
Cathy
***********************************************
This clearly must be a case of identity theft! Toad busted out of this
bubble of his own volition years ago! He left to find happiness in the
real world of.... LAS VEGAS, NEVADA!!! :-) :-) :-) LOL
Ribbit!
Jperdue4
its REALLY good!
" This recipe came to me via a friend, Bertha, who just loved any cake
that had booze in it. I have, in the past, elimanated the bourbon when making
this for kids and it is still wonderful. Basically, it is a variation on a
tunnel of fudge cake. "
1 cup butter, softened
1 (8 ounce) package cream cheese
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
6 tablespoons unsweetened
cocoa powder
1/2 cup packed brown sugar
1 cup white sugar
4 tablespoons bourbon
4 eggs
2 1/2 cups all-purpose flour
1 1/2 teaspoons baking powder
1/4 cup unsalted butter
1/4 cup unsweetened cocoa powder
3/4 cup packed brown sugar
1 tablespoon bourbon
1 cup toasted pecan pieces
1/4 cup unsweetened cocoa powder
1 cup confectioners' sugar
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
1 tablespoon butter, softened
5 tablespoons hot water
Directions
1 Preheat oven to 325 degrees F (165 degrees C). Grease
and flour one 10 inch Bundt or tube pan.
2 Cream 1 cup of the butter or margarine, cream cheese, 1
teaspoon of the vanilla, 6 tablespoons of the cocoa, 1/2 cup of
the brown sugar, white sugar, and 4 tablespoons of the
bourbon. Add eggs one at a time mixing well after each one.
3 Mix together flour and baking powder and mix into
batter. Beat on medium speed about 3 minutes. Spread half of
the batter in bottom of the prepared pan and place
teaspoonfuls of filling around the center of batter. Cover with the
remaining batter.
4 Bake at 325 degree F (165 degrees C) for 70 to 75
minutes or until a toothpick comes out clean. Let cool
slightly on damp tea towel and then invert on to a plate. Cool
completely and then spread with glaze.
5 To Make The Filling: Blend 1/4 cup of the unsalted
butter or margarine, 1/4 cup of the cocoa, 3/4 cup of the
brown sugar, and 1 tablespoon of the bourbon together. Fold
in the toasted pecans.
6 To Make The Glaze: Blend 1/4 cup of the cocoa, 1 cup of
the confectioner's sugar,1 teaspoon of the vanilla, 1
tablespoon of the butter, and starting with 4 tablespoons of the
water then adding more until the desired consistency is
reached. Spoon over top of cooled cake.
Subsetco
> Man, I grew up in a second-generation German family that was racist like
you
> wouldn't believe. If they weren't railing against the money-grubbing
Jews,
> they were trashing the lazy and shiftless blacks.
>
> My mother spent almost every family gathering arguing with her parents and
> in-laws about racial issues. On the way home from these gatherings, she
> would always deliver a long lecture to me about the evils of racism. If
it
> weren't for that, I'd be a closed-minded bigot for sure.
>
> My Grandpappy recited the racist version of this poem to me literally
> hundreds of times. But only when he was sure my mother couldn't hear.....
>
> My Grandfather would finish the poem with: "If he hollers let him go/Slap
> him down and tell him no!"
>
> My associations to this poem are indelibly marked with the worst kind of
> racism. I get queasy and sad thinking about it. My relatives were good,
> kind people in most ways. But they were horribly misguided about race
> relations.
Thanks for sharing Neil. I really never knew about that poem.
-JC
Cathy
There is absolutely no mean-spiritedness
or sarcasm intended when I say: I am not man enough for this job.
My skills in the kitchen are non existant. Like you, the primary
cooking and baking was done by my father when I was growing up.
(Although he did work outside the home, too. Air Force.) None of the
women in my immediate family cook. My dad had very little patience with
people hanging around in the kitchen, so I never developed an interest
in the culinary arts.
Do you think that if I forwarded this to him minus the "c" word he would
know what to do with it?
Neil Krueger
ask me for my email address. wrote on 4/19/03 8:43 PM:
> Enjoy the free margarine.
Mmmmmmmmmm.....oleo!
Peace,
Neil X.
volkfolk
"Cathy" <cathyi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:28967-3EA...@storefull-2172.public.lawson.webtv.net...
What is it with Marin County? Is it something in the water that causes you
to hallucinate and have delullsions of granduer and moral and intellectual
superiority? Get over yourselves already........
Scot
Cathy
What is it with Marin County? Is it something in the water that causes
you to hallucinate and have delullsions of granduer and moral and
intellectual superiority? Get over yourselves already........
Scot
Good question! But it can't be the water...
We only drink bottled water here in Marin.
####
You might ask Toad since he is the expert on the County. I have only
lived here for 31 years so I couldn't possibility know.####
Toad The Dead Vegan
I'm apparently significant enough for you to keep replying to me, even
as you deny you are really replying to me.
Cathy will now claim the above post wasn't directed at me, and ask me to
please leave her out of this.
I will respond that I'm not really replying to her, I'm directing these
posts to generic Cathys in Marin, not her specifically.
TDV
Toad The Dead Vegan
> This clearly must be a case of identity theft! Toad busted out of this
> bubble of his own volition years ago! He left to find happiness in the
> real world of.... LAS VEGAS, NEVADA!!! :-) :-) :-) LOL
>
> Ribbit!
And I have BLACK PEOPLE and MEXICANS that live on my street!!!!!! (you
know, the people you see only working in the kitchen and mowing lawns).
Vegas is one of the most integrated cities in the country.
They can own their own homes here!
I'll be sure to let them know that Cathy in Marin thinks the real world
means they should only be let out of their ghettos to do her cooking and
gardening. I'm sure they'll jump at the chance to move there and listen
to her droning lectures on how they really should making their cash
suing people over nursery rhymes, not by working (unless it's as a
servant in Marvy Marin).
TDV
Insignificant, yet still popular with Cathy
Toad The Dead Vegan
> What is it with Marin County? Is it something in the water that causes you
> to hallucinate and have delullsions of granduer and moral and intellectual
> superiority? Get over yourselves already........
To be fair to the RMGD upper crust, it's not just Marin. You get the
same sense of smug superiority in all these unreal wealthy white
bubbles. Beverly Hills, Newport, the Hamptons, Palm Beach, Aspen, etc.
are similar in that minorites are confined to the servants quarters,
little or no productive work is done by the residents, and the amount of
leisure time exceeds the ability of the bubble dwellers to fill it with
anything useful. Fantasy rules the day, as there's nothing else to do
(unless ordering your personal shopper to return that pair of shoes to
Nordstrom counts).
The problem with Marin is that instead of understanding and admitting
their role in the world (engaging in mass consumption, tax avoidance,
and frivolous entertainments) as most residents of the other communities
I named understand and admit, they insist on perpetuating the charade
that they are somehow "down with the peeps" and are MORE real than those
of us who live in regular communities where people do their own cooking
and yard work.
At least it's endlessly amusing.
TDV
brew ziggins
> volkfolk wrote:
>
> > What is it with Marin County? Is it something in the water that causes you
> > to hallucinate and have delullsions of granduer and moral and intellectual
> > superiority? Get over yourselves already........
>
> To be fair to the RMGD upper crust, it's not just Marin. You get the
> same sense of smug superiority in all these unreal wealthy white
> bubbles. Beverly Hills, Newport, the Hamptons, Palm Beach, Aspen, etc.
> are similar in that minorites are confined to the servants quarters,
> little or no productive work is done by the residents, and the amount of
> leisure time exceeds the ability of the bubble dwellers to fill it with
> anything useful. Fantasy rules the day, as there's nothing else to do
> (unless ordering your personal shopper to return that pair of shoes to
> Nordstrom counts).
You know, if you're going to get all inclusive on us, you
have to bring in some of the backwater intellectual
capitols, like Madison, WI, Athens, GA, Boulder, CO and,
yes, Ithaca, NY. There is little productive work done in
these places either, and fantasy rules the day. There may
not be as much money floating around, but we see that as a
healthy thing.
--
"I watch Al-Jazeera on satellite but turn the sound off and
listen to NPR. I have no idea what the f*ck is happening."
The Onion 3/26/03
l bruce higgins ithaca new york
lbh2 at cornell dot edu
Toad The Dead Vegan
> > > What is it with Marin County? Is it something in the water that causes you
> > > to hallucinate and have delullsions of granduer and moral and intellectual
> > > superiority? Get over yourselves already........
> > To be fair to the RMGD upper crust, it's not just Marin. You get the
> > same sense of smug superiority in all these unreal wealthy white
> > bubbles. Beverly Hills, Newport, the Hamptons, Palm Beach, Aspen, etc.
> > are similar in that minorites are confined to the servants quarters,
> > little or no productive work is done by the residents, and the amount of
> > leisure time exceeds the ability of the bubble dwellers to fill it with
> > anything useful. Fantasy rules the day, as there's nothing else to do
> > (unless ordering your personal shopper to return that pair of shoes to
> > Nordstrom counts).
> You know, if you're going to get all inclusive on us, you
> have to bring in some of the backwater intellectual
> capitols, like Madison, WI, Athens, GA, Boulder, CO and,
> yes, Ithaca, NY. There is little productive work done in
> these places either, and fantasy rules the day. There may
> not be as much money floating around, but we see that as a
> healthy thing.
Never been to Madison, Athens, or Ithaca, but I really liked Boulder.
Culturally it reminded me of how Marin used to be before the smug
leisure class took over.
TDV
kiz...@attbi.com
>
> >
> > You replied to my post which was a reply to another guy's, then you
> > referred to "you guys". Who am I supposed to think you were replying to?
> > *********************************************
> >
> > Get over yourself, Toad. You are not that significant.
>
> I'm apparently significant enough for you to keep replying to me, even
> as you deny you are really replying to me.
>
She's like Marin's version of the Energizer Bunny (w/rechargable
batteries and enviro-friendly synthetic fur, of course).
Jperdue4
"Butter"
JonP
Jperdue4
>to hallucinate and have delullsions of granduer and moral and intellectual
>superiority? Get over yourselves already........
>
>Scot
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Its the money in their pockets...leftwing freak liberals and money create an
interesting beast to be sure...Arrogance in its purest form....And ignorance
JonP
News Poster
"Jperdue4" <jper...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030420143129...@mb-m01.aol.com...
> Its the money in their pockets...leftwing freak liberals and money create
an
> interesting beast to be sure...Arrogance in its purest form....And
ignorance
> JonP
Yes. I'd like to be rich enough to be a liberal. Rich enough to be a
conservative just doesn't cut it.
News Poster
Cathy
She's like Marin's version of the Energizer Bunny (w/rechargable
batteries and enviro-friendly synthetic fur, of course).
If only! I have been recovering from a recent operation and have very
little energy. It would sure be nice to be able to recharge my battery.
bill
"Cathy" <cathyi...@webtv.net> wrote
Best of luck in getting better. If you're not taking lots of vitamin C, you
probably should be (several times a day rather than a lot one time a day).
It's a great healing agent.
Bill
LannyL
2174.public.lawson.webtv.net:
>
> Now that this thread has wound down and not too many people will be
<stupid-ass poem snipped>
>
> I realize that this could very well spark a rash of vile name calling
> and anger spewing, but that is to be expected. It is your M.O. And
> then again, it would only go to prove the point that rhymes can be
> offensive.
Nobody is denying that rhymes can be offensive...ever heard of the
"diceman"?
The simple fact of the matter is that the stewardess was *not* using an
offensive rhyme, and those bitches are trying to milk their situation.
Any fool can make up an offensive poem, myself included.
Here's one for ya...
Fuck the niggers,
Fuck the kikes.
Fuck the fags,
And fuck the dykes...
Fuck the monkeys in the zoo,
and, oh yeah, Cathy,
Fuck you too...
L
--
_______________
"Language is so small, and ridiculously cumbersome, and stupid."
-J. Garcia
mail@lannyl dot com
www.lannyl.com
LannyL
Cathy
you probably should be (several times a day rather than a lot one time a
day). It's a great healing agent.
Bill
Hey! Thank you, Bill, and I will give the vitamin C a try. :-)
volkfolk
"LannyL" <ma...@mail.mail> wrote in message
news:Xns9363BEE19...@206.172.150.14...
> cathyi...@webtv.net (Cathy) wrote in news:225-3EA1D7A6-31@storefull-
> 2174.public.lawson.webtv.net:
>
> >
> > Now that this thread has wound down and not too many people will be
>
> <stupid-ass poem snipped>
>
> >
> > I realize that this could very well spark a rash of vile name calling
> > and anger spewing, but that is to be expected. It is your M.O. And
> > then again, it would only go to prove the point that rhymes can be
> > offensive.
>
> Nobody is denying that rhymes can be offensive...ever heard of the
> "diceman"?
> The simple fact of the matter is that the stewardess was *not* using an
> offensive rhyme, and those bitches are trying to milk their situation.
>
> Any fool can make up an offensive poem, myself included.
> Here's one for ya...
>
> Fuck the niggers,
> Fuck the kikes.
> Fuck the fags,
> And fuck the dykes...
>
> Fuck the monkeys in the zoo,
> and, oh yeah, Cathy,
> Fuck you too...
>
> L
That's brilliant #### (although it is marginally funny)
Scot
kiz...@attbi.com
Large doses of vitamin C may actually do more harm than good. Recent
studies have noted hardening of the arteries and kidney stones in people
who overdue it with the vitamin.
You (or anyone else who consumes a lot of vitamin c) might do well to
look into it a bit further and/or discuss it with your doctor.
kiz...@attbi.com
>
> cathyi...@webtv.net (Cathy) wrote in news:225-3EA1D7A6-31@storefull-
> 2174.public.lawson.webtv.net:
>
> >
> > Now that this thread has wound down and not too many people will be
>
> <stupid-ass poem snipped>
>
> >
> > I realize that this could very well spark a rash of vile name calling
> > and anger spewing, but that is to be expected. It is your M.O. And
> > then again, it would only go to prove the point that rhymes can be
> > offensive.
>
> Nobody is denying that rhymes can be offensive...ever heard of the
> "diceman"?
> The simple fact of the matter is that the stewardess was *not* using an
> offensive rhyme, and those bitches are trying to milk their situation.
Wow. Just a couple weeks ago, Lanny was pontificating about rmgd's
alleged 'hatred' towards Phishphans, but now he's referring to women as
"bitches."
> Any fool can make up an offensive poem, myself included.
> Here's one for ya...
>
> Fuck the niggers,
> Fuck the kikes.
> Fuck the fags,
> And fuck the dykes...
>
> Fuck the monkeys in the zoo,
> and, oh yeah, Cathy,
> Fuck you too...
Fuck Phish and all their fans,
the long haired wookies in their vans,
the trust fund kidz with blue balloons,
faux-hippy chicks with tattooed moons,
the filthy mutts with fleas and stench,
the loser passed out on the bench,
the stoner dudes with bags of nugs,
(the music sucks...they need the drugs)
the chubby girl in batik clothes,
the kid with rings stuck through his nose,
burrito vendors in the lot,
the fools who buy that tasteless snot,
the misspelled posts from AOL,
and the whiney ones who like to YELL.
Yes, fuck 'em all..right in the head,
Phish still sucks...they ain't The Dead.
kiz...@attbi.com
>
> bill wrote:
> >
> > "Cathy" <cathyi...@webtv.net> wrote
> > >
> > > She's like Marin's version of the Energizer Bunny (w/rechargable
> > > batteries and enviro-friendly synthetic fur, of course).
> > > *******************************************
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If only! I have been recovering from a recent operation and have very
> > > little energy. It would sure be nice to be able to recharge my battery.
> >
> > Best of luck in getting better. If you're not taking lots of vitamin C, you
> > probably should be (several times a day rather than a lot one time a day).
> > It's a great healing agent.
>
> Large doses of vitamin C may actually do more harm than good. Recent
> studies have noted hardening of the arteries and kidney stones in people
> who overdue it with the vitamin.
Err...overDO it with the vitamin.
LannyL
> Wow. Just a couple weeks ago, Lanny was pontificating about rmgd's
> alleged 'hatred' towards Phishphans, but now he's referring to women as
> "bitches."
Some women are. I'm in no way painting the entire sex.
L
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huhuhuhuh....I said sex.....huhuhuhuh
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