Following Ron Rakow's Trail of Sleaze
ptsc
Recently a huge Ponzi scam surfaced involving Scientologist Reed Slatkin and a
number of associates, including one Mr. Ron Rakow. Quick research turned up
that he had a former connection with the Grateful Dead before becoming a
Scientologist and getting involved with Reed Slatkin's scam. The background to
this huge scam is on a website called http://www.slatkinfraud.com and the
official bankruptcy trustee's site is http://www.slatkin-investors.com
Ron Rakow used to be a "manager" of the Grateful Dead, meaning he used to hang
around with them and steal their money.
Ron Rakow's role in these matters is explained briefly at
http://www.slatkinfraud.com/rakow.shtml
Encapsulated, the story is that after leaving the Grateful Dead, Rakow went on
to become a convicted felon for a bizarre mail fraud with a guy named Chris
Mancuso involving lactic cultures. This fraud is explained in more detail in an
Esquire article reproduced here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=%3C9n6hna%24j6m%40netaxs.com%3E
Recently Google put up older Usenet archives, so I decided to do a little more
digging on our friend Mr. Rakow. Anyone who knows anything more about this guy
can feel free to chime in. I'm especially interested in what sort of 'cloud' he
left under, or whether the 'cloud' was just that he was a swindling jerk in
general, rather than any particular incident. I notice that around the period
of his departure, there was massive bootlegging of the "Wake of the Forest"
album and that one post in this section seems to indicate that somehow, the
original "mothers" or stampers were found in his basement by some individual.
However this is uncorroborated, but it would certainly explain a few things.
I should note that Rakow appears to have taken advantage of the Scientology
scene in the same manner he took advantage of the Grateful Dead scene. Despite
the fact that he took some "advanced" Scientology courses, there is no real
indication that he ever took it very seriously, using it instead as a source for
dupes in his incessant series of bizarre scams and swindles.
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Rakow, among other things, also used to cut the mic cords of tapers, despite the
fact that the Dead have always been very tolerant of this sort of thing. It is
the sort of nogoodnik thing this convicted felon is known for. This post, from
1991, mentions an act like this from Rakow
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From: i...@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Ihor W. Slabicky)
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(Curtis Allred) writes:
> >
> (BTW=it would be great to hear some other stories from old
> tapers and their encounters with this sort of thing).
I taped the April 1975 Legion of Mary shows at the Bottom Line in NYCity.
At one show, a taper a few seats away from me had his mic cords cut by
Ron Rakow (or so the others around me said that's who the cutter was).
The taper was pretty obvious, though :-)
I got my equipment in (TC 152 SD and AKG D190E's) by putting them in a
hand carried bag - no problems getting in ... tho one of the shows got
screwed up due to batteries dying :-(
I taped at 8-6-74 with poles - again, no problem getting in or setting
up, tho a member of the audience kept yelling that I was 'bootlegging'.
He stopped after I explained what I was up to :-). I did get a frisbee
hit at that show :-), and the fireworks still sound great :-)
Ihor
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Here is an account of an amusing story concerning Ron Rakow losing a
"double-or-nothing bet" to Bill Graham. I include this version over some others
because it appears to be transcribed from the original tape, and because it
mentions Rakow's corporate affiliations. It concludes with a comment that Rakow
is a putz, a sentiment with which nobody in their right mind could possibly
disagree. (Other posts date the Rakow story to 8-13-75. The CD in question
from which the intro was snipped is "One From the Vaults.")
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From: carl...@media.mit.edu (Carlton J. Sparrell)
Subject: Re: OFTV intro, GD records
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>| The Graham story **is** part of the GAMH intro.
>
>Hokay! Mea maxima culpa!
>
>At least tell me that it came before the "Good evening, we welcome you"
>and was not edited out from between that and the instrument intros. My
>FM dub had it just as it appears on OFTV. I can't imagine why anyone
>would make such a selective edit, only to have healy repeat it!
>
Sorry, but after listening to both closely, I think you can notice
the slight drop out on the disk where the cut was made. The intro
goes as follows, with what was cut from the disk in {}:
Good evening, we welcome you...on behalf of the group. We should
introduce...{and we should thank United Artists and Mr. Ron Rakow.
I should make it official...Mr Rakow is the president of Round
Records...and he asked me if I could be here this evening. And
I said I'd like 12 dollars and 50 cents which he paid me at the
door. And we flipped double or nothing and I won. And he wanted
to flip again, so I'm being paid $50...for being here...I wanted
to thank him...very much}...On the piano we have (etc.)
The text alone does look somewhat pieced together, but when you here it
it seems to flow together so well I believe this must be the correct
version. Especially with the tuning in the background, I think it would
be awfully hard to insert something. Much easier to take something out.
>| Bill Graham $50 story on it. He got $50 from Ron Rakow (sp?),
>| president of Round (Rounder?) records for appearing.
>
>Yrrg. Say no more. Rakow was a putz.
>
>--ognobongo
>
> "steal your face right off of your head"
Just goes to show...
CJS
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Here's another more complete transcription of the same tale.
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From: "Harris, William W" <WHA...@ecy.wa.gov>
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Subject: Still More OFTV Intro
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Over the couple of weeks, the accretion of postings went like this:
|>||Just wondrin...
|>||
|>||who introduces the band on One From the Vault? I love how he says "Mr.
|>||Phillip Lesh." So classy.
|>|The man with the New York accent, Mr. Bill Graham: "Good evening, we
|>|welcome you on behalf of the group...
<<snip of intros>>
|>|...Will you welcome please, the Grateful Dead."
|>That intro. is really cool. I had a tape of that show before OFTV came
|>out. On the CD, part of the intro is cut out!! I can't remember off the
|>top of my head, but Bill Graham mentions some other things between "Good
|>evening, we welcome you..." and "...I'd like to introduce" Has anyone
|>else heard this? It's really cool; I wonder why they cut it. Later, Josh
| Does anyone have a copy of the full introduction from the tape? This was
the very first Dead tape I got >some fifteen years ago (long before the
|CD) and it had the full story, something about flipping a coin and Graham
|losing. ANyway, if someone coulp post the whole deal I think many people
|would find it interesting.
|Andy
|LA, CA
And Bill now adds to the accretion a transcription of Uncle Bobo's intro
that's on Bill's tape (dubbed from a bootleg LP) of the famed Great American
Music Hall show:
(over the almost-anxious-sounding noodling of the boys)
"...should thank United Artists and Mr. Ron Rakow. I should, I should make
it official, Mr. Rakow is the president of Round Records and he asked if I
could be here this evening, and I said "I'd like twelve dollars and fifty
cents", which he paid me at the door, and we flipped double or nothing and
I won, and he wanted to flip again, so I'm being paid fifty dollars for
being here. I want to thank him very much. On the piano, we have Mr. Keith
Godchaux. On the drums on stage left, Mr. Mickey Hart. On bass and vocals,
Mr. Philip Lesh. On rhythm guitar and vocals, Mr. Bob Weir. On the drums
on stage right, Mr. Bill Kreutzman. On the vocals, Mrs. Donna Jean
Godchaux. On lead guitar and vocals, Mr. Jerry Garcia. Will you welcome
please, the Grateful Dead."
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In another post, someone suggests a reason for cutting out the Rakow story.
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Subject: Re: 8-13-75 intro...
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(Rico) says:
>Yeah, this should be in the FAQL. It's something like, "I was
>asked to be here by Ron Rakow, the president of Round Records.
>I told him I wanted twelve-fifty to be here, which he paid me at
>the door. He wanted to flip double-or-nothing, which I won, and
>then he wanted to flip again, which we did. So I'm being paid
>fifty dollars to be here tonight, and I'd like to thank him. On
>the piano, on stage left,...."
>Round Records was an old label of the Dead's.
>I suspect $12.50 was the price of a ticket, or perhaps just a
>typical ticket price in 1975.
>
> It's really cool; I wonder why they cut it.
probably because Rakow left the Dead organization under a cloud.
--xian
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Christian Crumlish <http://enterzone.berkeley.edu/homies/xian.html>
big ideas publishing painting writing details mang
Enterzone episode 1: <http://enterzone.berkeley.edu/enterzone.html>
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Rakow apparently came up with the idea of Grateful Dead Records, or is at least
credited with it in this one post.
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From: ro...@portal.ca (Ron Gibbs)
Subject: Re: Grateful Dead -- Wake of the Flood
Date: 1997/08/05
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In article <01bca0f5$bcb5e440$4641...@terrend.dns.microsoft.com>, "Terry
Dorsey" <ter...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> On my Saturday stoop sale crawl I found a nice, clean copy of the
> Grateful Dead's "Wake of the Flood" on Grateful Dead Records (GD-01).
> What do you know about this album. It sounds great to me, though not
> quite so nice as my 7 Arts "Anthem of the Sun." The vocals in particular
> are clear and articulated (Katy says: "Wow, it sounds like Jerry is
> right out in front"). Pretty good bass as well.
>
> So what's up with this GD Records label? Was this a forerunner to the
> current GD Merchandising biz?
>
Grateful Dead Records was the brainchild of G.D. associate, Ron Rakow. The idea
was that the Dead would record, manufacture, and distribute their own
product free of any outside interference. This experiment lasted from
1973-1977, and ended when the Dead signed a contract with Arista. During
the period of G.D.
Records, the following L.P.'s were released, "Wake of the Flood", "Mars Hotel,
"Blues for Allah", and "Steal Your Face". In 1975, the Dead signed a
distribution deal with United Artists. Previous to this, they had
attempted
to distribute their own product. Therefore, owners of G.D. Records L.P.'s
should check the labels carefully as records without "Distribution by
United Artists" are worth more than those which have this notation. The
Dead also
operated Round Records as a subsiduary of G.D. Records. Round released material
by individual members of the band, but not the Grateful Dead as a whole.
Eventually, the pressure of running their own record company became too
much for the Dead, not to mention too financially draining. Grateful Dead
Records
was dissolved in 1977, when the band signed with Arista.
The clear, sharp production that you speak of is one of the noteworthy
aspects of G.D. Records. The Dead made it their business to insist on the
best quality
recording and record pressing techniques possible, no matter what the cost.
Ron Gibbs
Vancouver
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Someone else vaguely mentions that Ron Rakow "took money from them" which may be
tied to this vague "cloud."
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From: Marc Schaeffer <SCHA...@wpc.wilpaterson.edu>
Subject: Re: Fate of Furthur...
Date: 1996/08/20
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Mitch Goldman <mit...@microsoft.com> wrote:
<snip>
|Furthur was apparently an attempt to see if the whole Dead thing could "work"
|without the Dead per se; and while I haven't seen the actual loss figures,
|I understand the festival lost quite a bit of money, at nearly every venue.
For better or worse, I believe that what deadheads want is Grateful Dead music.
I also believe that a tour consisting of at least Phil and Bob, with a
guitarist of Jerry's genre (eclectic of style, improvisational, etc.) and
playing Grateful Dead songs, would make money. Based on what we have heard from
Mickey, he would be likely to join aas well. What we got of Jerry for the last
couple of years was a shadow of his former self anyway. Lots of people kept
coming because of who he was, not because of how he played and sang. Sadly
though, it is hard to imagine why Phil would have any interest in touring, so
this hypothesis is unlikely to be tested anytime soon.
|One thing the GD were always good at was *business*...I can't
|see them maintaining something that's basically a revenue sink
|for them.
Wow - I would have said that the one thing the GD were NEVER good at was
business (OK - they got somewhat better at it after Touch of Grey). The
embezzlement by Mickey's father, the record company, the Wall of Sound and the
money Ron Rakow took from them are all examples of very bad business practice.
I think somewhere in Greenfield's book it says that the band was not
financially very successful right through the mid-eighties (although they did
support a large extended family and several very expensive drug habits). Very
old but true story - a friend of mine used to do sound at the old Cafe Au Go-Go
in the Village. When the Dead played there for a couple of nights, in 67 or 68
I think, they did so only because they ran out of money to get home from an east
coast trip.
MS
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Rakow is also credited for somehow "streamlining" the decision-making process of
the Dead, limiting a 'vote' (or something) to band members.
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From: tex...@aol.com (Textus)
Subject: Re: So Why did Keith & Donna Leave the Band???
Date: 1997/06/19
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Curiouser and curiouser. Scully says in his book that up until the
organization of the record label that all sorts of people had votes in
business decisions. (I don't have it in front of me, but was it two mgrs
and two crew people plus all on-stage musicians?) Says Rakow streamlined
this, if I'm remembering right to just band members.
When I interviewed Weir in 79 for a newspaper, he said it was a little of
both -- that K&D wanted to quit and the original core wanted them to quit.
Impression I have just from listening to shows is that it had run its
course, that the 76-77 band was really great live and the 78 band dipped.
In addition, the 78 album was a disappointment.
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Here is another post, where Bob Weir of the Dead is quoted as saying of Rakow:
"that guy wouldn't know good material if it came up and pissed
on his shoe."
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From: Kent Stewart <kste...@td2cad.intel.com>
Subject: steal yer pennies
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Well, having deftly stuck my foot in the OFTV intro excreta, let
me again try my luck in the steal yer doughnuts debate 8^).
| And Weir sez of whoever put the album together (Ron Rakow, I
| think), "that guy wouldn't know good material if it came up and pissed
| on his shoe." The album's just plain bad.
I believe that Ron Rackow is the crux of the biscuit in this matter.
Phil was the one who valiently tried to save the basically worthless
tapes, Rackow was the one who insisted they had "good material there".
The album was only released because Rackow legally obligated them to
release it. According to Phil, the tapes were all phucked up; the bass
drum peaking at +20dB, with everything else over at -20dB in the tape hiss.
Through a super-human effort it was restored to the degree that it appears
on the album, which most people agree sounds weaker than audience recordings
of the same performances.
This is not surprizing to anyone who has ever tried to restore a seriously
under-recorded master. Even when you have boosted the levels, and found
some means to restore a reasonable signal to noise ratio, something is
noticably missing. You have a weak sound, with little power, fullness or
dynamic presence. Basically you have Steal Your Face, even if all the
original notes can still be heard.
So the album may be something noone in the band is proud of, but they
had no choice in the matter other than to release it. Thus "Steal Your
Face" can also allude to the fact that they were ripped off in the
process, too.
--ognobongo, the palidromatic apologist
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<< Why would he select all the material and then oppse its release?
>>
Apparently, Ron Rakow had comitted the Dead to a contract where they owed UA a
certain number of albums. They had recorded the 74 Winterland run, but the
tapes were in poor shape, and they owed UA the album by a certain date. Phil
and Owsley did the best they could with the tapes they had available, but they
did not want to "use up" songs that they might want to use on future live
albums.
I believe a similar computation was the basis for Bear's Choice. The Dead owed
an album to Warners, but didn't want to give away all the great material from
2/13-14/70. I was in High School when that album came out, and found it utterly
mystifying.
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Also confusing is what Ron Rakow apparently seems to be doing with original
"metal mothers (stampers)" in his basement, according to this uncorroborated
post. Considering his extensive criminal history, one wonders why he would want
the ability to stamp "original" Grateful Dead records, or if this is even true.
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From: gr8...@ix.netcom.com (eric schwartz)
Subject: Re: Wake of the Flood Matrix NUMBERS????????????????wake of the flood
wake of the flood
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hey i dont mind if you dont
the "matrix" numbers, for lack of a better term, are the catalog numbers that
are asigned to the release by the record label and etched into the metal plates
that are used to press the vinyl into a record.
the release of wake of the flood was the 1st dead records release and was
catalog number gd-01
but wake of the flood was bootlegged imediatly when it was release and the
numbers etched into he vinyl of the official release vary , because the folks at
GD Records were using various other numbers and symbols to be able to weed out
bootleggers
there is brief account of this in rock scully's book
anyway i have run into some original metal mothers (stampers) from the basement
of a grateful dead records employee ron rakow
i would like to try to match up the numbers on the metal stampers i have with
an actual finished vinyl product to furthur document the reality of life as we
know it on the planet
eric
mtng...@aol.com (MtnGirl98) wrote:
>eric schwartz wrote:
>>ok so i need some help here
>> i am looking to see what different kind's of MATRIX numbers you find in that
>>nice old VINYL copy of WAKE OF THE FLOOD
>Not to appear stupid... but then again I've never minded before so what the
>hell... but what are MATRIX numbers? And why would anyone want to know what
>Matrix numbers are on an album?
>Teri
>http://members.aol.com/mtngirl98/index.html
Eric Schwartz
Lone Star Dead
KNON 89.3 fm Dallas/Ft Worth
http://www.conservatory.com/eric
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Rakow is the butt of a random joke.
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From: Steve Silberman <dig...@wired.com>
Subject: Re: SF Weekly's "The Dead Zone"
Date: 1998/01/14
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Re: the amusing cartoon satirizing Terrapin Station at
http://www.sfweekly.com/1998/current/music1.html,
the cartoonist forgot a few attractions:
the Donna Jean Karaoke Bar
the Ron Rakow Money Grab
the Steve Parish Stage Dive
the Drums-and-Space Rest Room
the Estate Tug O'War
the DEA Fish-in-a-Barrel Shoot
the Short Term Memory Toss
the rec.music.gdead Flame Eater
and, last but not least,
the Parked Car Hunt
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Rakow is also mentioned in a somewhat ambiguous context in this interview:
{From: t...@well.com (David Gans)}
{Subject: Robert Greenfield interview, part 1}
{Date: 1996/07/27}
[. . .]
DG: There's that sort of pathological anti-authoritarianism of the Grateful
Dead, and Bill was in a way the ultimate authority, in their business.
RG: Well, I tell you, in "Dark Star" as well -- if you're interested, and
who wouldn't be, 'cause it's so insane -- the business fortunes of the Grate-
ful Dead are traced. They go up and they go down, and they go *down* and
they go down, and then they go up, and they go up and up and up, right? But
one of the threads is that they were looking for their own Bill Graham. They
*always* were. They needed their own shark. They needed their own killer.
Ron Rakow is -- in fact, I think almost every former Grateful Dead manager is
in this book: John McIntire, Rock Scully, Richard Loren, um, Chesley Mil-
likin, who was there for a moment -- and Rakow speaks very plainly to the
point that, you know, they brought him in to wrestle with Bill. And Bill
represented to them, yes, the world of where your father tells you to go to
bed, and I don't think anyone in the Grateful Dead world wanted to go to
sleep before they were ready to. And it was constant conflict, but they
needed one another, and that's the real essence of rock'n'roll. We have
screaming fights, we break up the furniture -- and then two months later,
we're back out on the road and we're counting the money after the show's
over.
DG: And then, of course, there was 1978, when Phil Lesh and Mickey Hart went
down with picket signs --
RG: To Bill's house.
DG: -- outside Bill's house --
RG: Right. "More trips" --
DG: "Egypt or bust;" "More trips, Bill." <chuckle>
[. . .]
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In other trivia, Rakow gets photographer credits on a couple albums/EPs, and
also mixes a couple tunes (in addition to being blamed for "Steal Your Face"
sucking so much).
{From: "Michael E. Carver" <mca...@techbook.com>}
{Subject: Re: Request for help re: some JG & GD LP/CDs}
{Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 18:01:07 GMT}
|"Hooteroll" (Douglas/Colombia KZ30859) 1971
South Side Strut / A Trip to What Next / Up from the Desert / DC-502 /
One A.M. Approach / Uncle Martin's / Da Birg Song
Organ, Piano: Howard Wales
Guitar: Jerry Garcia
Bass: John Kahn
Drums: Bill Vitt & Michael Marinelli
Trumpet: Ken Balzall
Saxophone, Flute: Martin Fierro
Photographs: Ron Rakow
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{From: les...@gandalf.sp.trw.com (Jeff Lester)}
{Subject: Re: Track Listing and Opions on Ace and Compliments CDs}
{Date: 1996/03/28}
The track listings, from David Dodd's great web site:
1. ACE (May, 1972)
o Grateful Dead Merchandising's entry: includes audio clips
o All-Music Guide entry
o LP: Warner Bros: BS2627
o LP: Grateful Dead: GD BS2627R
o CD: Grateful Dead: GDCD4003
"Produced by everybody involved"
"Robert "Ace" Weir: acoustic and electric guitars / William Kreutzmann:
drums / Phil Lesh: bass, harmony vocal on "Mexicali Blues" / Jerry
Garcia: electric guitar, pedal steel guitar on "Looks Like Rain" /
Keith Godchaux: pianner / Donna Godchaux: harmony, the chick vocals /
String arrangement on "Looks Like Rain" by Ed Bogus / Bass on "Greatest
Story Ever Told" by Dave Torbert"
Cover art by Kelley/Mouse Design; photography: Ron Rakow
Tracks:
1. "Greatest Story Ever Told": m: Weir; w: Hunter
2. "Black-Throated Wind": m: Weir; w: Barlow
3. "Walk in the Sunshine": m: Weir; w: Barlow
4. "Playing in the Band": m: Weir; w: Hunter
5. "Looks Like Rain": m: Weir; w: Barlow
6. "Mexicali Blues": m: Weir; w: Barlow
7. "One More Saturday Night": Weir
8. "Cassidy": m: Weir; w: Barlow
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Rakow is credited with writing something called the "So What?" papers.
{From: Marc Schaeffer <SCHA...@wpc.wilpaterson.edu>}
{Subject: Re: Terrapin: The Original Wired News Story}
{Date: 1997/09/30}
1 - Steve's lead sentence, that the surviving members would play, shows what he
believes is the aspect of the story most likely to attract the readers'
attention (unless this lead was the design of his editor).
2 - For a band that could barely figure out what to play next, the projection
that something this complex (Terrapin, not a reunion) might be ready at any
specific point in time is quite a contrast. Any details of what it might be
(access to the vault, etc.) is even more vaporware.
3 - Remember the famous "So What" papers that Ron Rakow developed to sell the
band on its own record production and distribution operation? This sounds a
little like the 1997 version of that, as enhanced by some twenty years of
growth in the fiscal and public awareness resources of the GD organization.
---
Rakow gets a quote, whether apocryphal or not.
---
{From: grat...@aol.com (GrateMGL)}
{Subject: Re: Phil Get New Friends!!!}
{Date: 2000/06/27}
The family thing is gone. John Sher is a sleaze. He was a sleaze in the early
70's when he hired a deranged stripper to pop out of a huge cake for Jer's
Bday, he is still one of the sleaziest guys in the business. I think that it
was his involvement that made Phil stay away last year.......this year its more
personal and the bridge that was burned, with the Vault discussions and the
Mickey Hart pokes at Phil's liver donor, will never be mended or crossed again.
So, I'll say it now ~ and I hope I'm wrong ~ we Dead Heads will never ever
again see Phil Play with Bob, Mick, Bill, et al! It's never going to
happen............to quote R. Rakow, "the game used to be BROTHERS, now its
FUCK YOUR BROTHERS....." what a crying shame ~~~~~damn I miss old
blackjack......
Matthew
---
Rakow is astonished to find out that Jerry Garcia is into drugs (duh).
{From: "Michael Sides" <msi...@global.co.za>}
{Subject: Re: Dead on Drugs during shows}
{Date: 2000/07/15}
Another bit from the Blair Jackson Garcia outtakes on this subject. Thanks
again Blair.
Peace
Michael
Page 290, middle; more on "Persian" opiates: "I remember the first time we
did the Persian how attractive it was," Richard Loren says. "I'll never
forget saying to Jerry, 'Jerry, this is great, but it's too good. I'm gonna
wait until I have sore bones and aches and pains. I'm going to wait until
I'm 55 to get into this.' So I was always very leery of it, very careful of
consuming it. I had a business to run, and I could see that it might not be
the best thing to mix with conducting business." "Persian happened in '77,"
recalls Ron Rakow, who left the scene in mid '76. "I know that because the
guy that brought Persian around was invited by a mutual friend to my 40th
birthday party, which was in '77. And he gave me some of this stuff and I
said, 'Why do you call this Persian? Who are you kidding? This is smack.'
And everyone told me to be quiet, I wasn't cool. Then I found out that's
what Jerry was into." "That stuff is way inside," comments Betty
Cantor-Jackson. "That stuff is so far inside you can't see outside; you have
no vision of the outside. It's way too tunneled, like looking at the world
from the back end of telescope out through a keyhole. I think Jerry liked it
because it quelled his desires and let him slow down a little. He had so
many ideas all the time and he'd be thinking about the next thing he wanted
to do and he'd get frustrated that he couldn't manifest them all. So that
let him slow down his output so he could deal with what the world could take
of his output."
John Hanson
ptsc wrote:
<snip>
> . I notice that around the period
> of his departure, there was massive bootlegging of the "Wake of the Forest"
> album and that one post in this section seems to indicate that somehow, the
> original "mothers" or stampers were found in his basement by some individual.
> However this is uncorroborated, but it would certainly explain a few things.
>
<even more snip>
Wake of the Forest is my third favorite GD album after Go to Detroit and
Businessman's Dead..
John H.
Olompali4
kiz...@mediaone.net
>
> First I should start out by explaining the reasons for this unusual crosspost.
> Recently a huge Ponzi scam surfaced involving Scientologist Reed Slatkin and a
> number of associates, including one Mr. Ron Rakow. Quick research turned up
> that he had a former connection with the Grateful Dead before becoming a
> Scientologist and getting involved with Reed Slatkin's scam. The background to
> this huge scam is on a website called http://www.slatkinfraud.com and the
> official bankruptcy trustee's site is http://www.slatkin-investors.com
>
[...]
Wow! It looks like someone's got *way* too much free time on his hands....
mimus
It's a labor of love. Sort of.
I saw
many people
reduced to
incoherent babbling,
stripping off clothes,
crawling around on the ground,
banging heads, limbs and other body parts
against furniture and walls,
barking,
losing all sense of one's identity
and intense and persistent suicidal ideation.
--Declaration of Andre Tabayoyon
I'm an OT.--Lisa McPherson
If you imagine 40-50 Scientologists
posting on the Internet every few days,
we'll just run the SP's right off the system.
It will be quite simple, actually.
--Elaine Siegel, OSA INT (1996)
Case 5/BTLA/SP1/BAD
KSJ
(And, BTW: Xenu Xenu Xenu!)
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Scientology
> scene in the same manner he took advantage of the Grateful Dead scene.
Despite
> the fact that he took some "advanced" Scientology courses, there is no
real
> indication that he ever took it very seriously, using it instead as a
source for
> dupes in his incessant series of bizarre scams and swindles.
Scientology *is* a bizarre scam and swindle, concocted by science fiction
writer L. Ron Hubbard. Go to http://www.clamshell.org for detailed
information debunking this frightening cult.
These people scare me almost as much as fundamentalist scripture-thumpers.
Snorky the Inept
John Doherty
<hazel...@hotSPAMmail.com> wrote:
> Doh. My mistake. That link should be:
>
> http://www.clambake.org
>
Apparently TC's enthusiasm for this satanic based cult was part of the
reason he left the dead. Nobody else was buying.
JD
ptsc
wrote:
Tom Constantin appears to be out now. (If that's "TC.")
ptsc
ptsc
>> . I notice that around the period
>> of his departure, there was massive bootlegging of the "Wake of the Forest"
>> album and that one post in this section seems to indicate that somehow, the
>> original "mothers" or stampers were found in his basement by some individual.
>> However this is uncorroborated, but it would certainly explain a few things.
>Wake of the Forest is my third favorite GD album after Go to Detroit and
>Businessman's Dead..
Heh, except it's "Wake of the Flood." Don't know why I typed it that way but it
sounds kind of nice.
ptsc
ptsc
<ze...@wineasy.se> wrote:
>>Wow! It looks like someone's got *way* too much free time on his hands....
>What exactly does that mean? Does it mean that you're a supporter of the
>criminal mafia cult of scientology, or what?
It means I crossposted it into the Grateful Dead newsgroup so it got read by
people who might not be so sure why Ron Rakow is such a hot topic right now.
http://www.slatkinfraud.com/rakow.shtml will clear it up.
ptsc
kiz...@mediaone.net
>
> On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:33:05 -0500.
> In Message-ID: <hnsp2uonvr42tv1h9...@4ax.com>
> From: ptsc <ptsc AT nym DOT alias DOT net>.
> Organization: ARS: Perhaps the Most Malignant Newsgroup on Usenet.
> Wrote on the subject: Re: Following Ron Rakow's Trail of Sleaze:
> the person in question in fact is a scientologist, trying to defend his
> criminal mafia establishment.
>
> SAZ
Dagnabbit! You found me out! Now I'm going to have to use my powerful
mesmobeams to search you out and burn squickholes in your skull.
You can torture me, but you'll have to pry the e-meter from my cold, dead
fingers...
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> "It is interesting to know that a thetan doesn't look through his
> eyeballs. He has two little gold discs, one in front of each eye
> lens. These are not the lenses of the eyes, but, as you might say,
> mocked-up energy. They are little gold discs that are superimposed
> over the eye and he looks through these. The eyeballs merely serve
> to locate these discs."
>
> - L. Ron Hubbard in Professional Auditor's
> Bulletin #111, May 1 1957, _Eyesight and Glasses_
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Snorky the Inept
> >
> > http://www.clambake.org
>
> Apparently TC's enthusiasm for this satanic based cult was part of the
> reason he left the dead. Nobody else was buying.
Scientology has nothing whatsoever to do with Satan.
The dogma of Scientology teaches that some space dude named Xenu killed
billions of people waaaaaaay back in the distant past. He collected their
souls and brought them to Earth, where he put them on top of volcanoes and
blew them up with hydrogen bombs.
It gets even weirder than that. Go look at the website.
Zenarus
>> reason he left the dead. Nobody else was buying.
TC said somewhere, some interview, the reason he left the deadwas because he
got tired of being Garcia's back-up band.
zen~67
John Doherty
<hazel...@hotSPAMmail.com> wrote:
> > > Doh. My mistake. That link should be:
> > >
> > > http://www.clambake.org
> >
> > Apparently TC's enthusiasm for this satanic based cult was part of the
> > reason he left the dead. Nobody else was buying.
>
> Scientology has nothing whatsoever to do with Satan.
Not literally, but according to Dan Kennedy's expose in the Boston Phoenix
last year (might be 2000), Scientology meets the criteria of a Satanic
cult. I'll try to find a reference.
JD
Patrick Donnelly
news:20011229113218...@mb-fj.aol.com...
Hah! Tom Constanten wishes he could've had anything to do with backing up
Garcia... he was merely an addition so that Pigpen wouldn't have to do so
much work. For all the good TC did he might as well have been a pre-progged
keyboard or something...
-patrick donnelly
ooh, i'm at home... no sig.
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Snorky the Inept
> > > >
> > > > http://www.clambake.org
> > >
> > > Apparently TC's enthusiasm for this satanic based cult was part of the
> > > reason he left the dead. Nobody else was buying.
> >
> > Scientology has nothing whatsoever to do with Satan.
>
> Not literally, but according to Dan Kennedy's expose in the Boston Phoenix
> last year (might be 2000), Scientology meets the criteria of a Satanic
> cult. I'll try to find a reference.
Found your article. It's from 1996.
http://home.snafu.de/tilman/bu/bph-4.19.96.html
Besides the author's claim that Scientology is based in Satanism and the
teachings of Aleister Crowley, there is nothing in this article which shows
that the two have anything in common.
O'B
<7b10832346c3ec5d40a...@mygate.mailgate.org>, Patrick
Donnelly <smilnonc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> For all the good TC did he might as well have been a pre-progged
> keyboard or something...
That's sort of like saying: for all the good those knitting needles
did in Dave Davies' amp, he might as well have just used a distortion
pedal.
J.
Darren
ptsc wrote:
> First I should start out by explaining the reasons for this unusual crosspost.
> Recently a huge Ponzi scam surfaced involving Scientologist Reed Slatkin and a
> number of associates, including one Mr. Ron Rakow. Quick research turned up
> that he had a former connection with the Grateful Dead before becoming a
> Scientologist and getting involved with Reed Slatkin's scam. The background to
> this huge scam is on a website called http://www.slatkinfraud.com and the
> official bankruptcy trustee's site is http://www.slatkin-investors.com
Hello,
What worries Elvis fans is that the heir to the Presley estate, Lisa Marie, is a
Scientologist. There have been fears that she will eventually close Graceland and
donate most of E's money to the cult. No joke.
Darren Nemeth
dnem...@sprynet.com
Owner of "Giant Squid Audio Lab" - Specialists in durable, high
fidelity Binaural / Stereo and Mono miniature microphones
for discriminating DAT and Mini Disc recording enthusiasts.
http://www.giant-squid-audio-lab.com/
Darren
> Hello,
>
> What worries Elvis fans is that the heir to the Presley estate, Lisa Marie, is a
> Scientologist. There have been fears that she will eventually close Graceland and
> donate most of E's money to the cult. No joke.
>
Here's Elvis' daughter endorsing Scientology.
http://www.whatisscientology.org/html/part05/chp19/pg0310.htm
--
Have a nice day, :)
Darren
WOW. I have spent about 5 hours looking up stuff on this religion. Net searches are
turning up everything on Scientology.
You would think that since L. Ronnie also wrote Sci-Fi novels that they would make the
connection and not join up.
A religion based on a story about a guy for outer space killing 13.5 trillion beings,
using Earth as a mass dumping ground, and now their souls are haunting each us of
today? Come on.
These people must be down right stupid to join this outlandish religon. I cannot
believe that any rational human being woudl believe this crap.
However, it would make for a good episode on Star Trek.
Thanks for the heads-up.
Darren
ptsc
>ptsc wrote:
>> First I should start out by explaining the reasons for this unusual crosspost.
>> Recently a huge Ponzi scam surfaced involving Scientologist Reed Slatkin and a
>> number of associates, including one Mr. Ron Rakow. Quick research turned up
>> that he had a former connection with the Grateful Dead before becoming a
>> Scientologist and getting involved with Reed Slatkin's scam. The background to
>> this huge scam is on a website called http://www.slatkinfraud.com and the
>> official bankruptcy trustee's site is http://www.slatkin-investors.com
>Hello,
>What worries Elvis fans is that the heir to the Presley estate, Lisa Marie, is a
>Scientologist. There have been fears that she will eventually close Graceland and
>donate most of E's money to the cult. No joke.
It would worry Elvis if he were alive. He hated Scientology.
"One day, in L.A., we got in the limousine and went down to the Scientology
center on Sunset, and Elvis went in and talked to them. We waited in the car,
but apparently they started doing all these charts and crap for him. Elvis came
out and said 'Fuck those people! There's no way I'll ever get involved with that
son-of-a-bitchin' group. All they want is my money.' Well, Peggy still kept on
about it, so Elvis didn't date her any more. And he stayed away from Scientology
like it was a cobra. He'd shit a brick to see how far Lisa Marie's gotten into
it."
Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations From The Memphis Mafia by Alanna Nash, with
Billy Smith, Marty Lacker, and Lamar Fike (copyright 1995, Harper Collins).
--
ptsc
Darren
> Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations From The Memphis Mafia by Alanna Nash, with
> Billy Smith, Marty Lacker, and Lamar Fike (copyright 1995, Harper Collins).
As a big Elvis fan and collector of his music I know that Lisa is a bt screwed up in
the head.
Seth Jackson
wrote:
>A religion based on a story about a guy for outer space killing 13.5 trillion beings,
>using Earth as a mass dumping ground, and now their souls are haunting each us of
>today? Come on.
>
>These people must be down right stupid to join this outlandish religon. I cannot
>believe that any rational human being woudl believe this crap.
The problem is that the story is first divulged only at an advanced
stage in the training.
- Seth Jackson
Songwriting & Music Business Info: http://www.sethjackson.net
Music: http://www.mp3.com/SethJackson
http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Loudspeaker/
Kymus
>As a big Elvis fan and collector of his music I know that Lisa is a bt
>screwed up in
>the head.
No no. She's a Southern Girl. Thayuhs nothing wrong with huha MIND, it's just
huha _pahts_. You know, female things.
~~STOP THE PRESSES! IT's bigger than Black Helicopters!
A group of whackos in alt.religion.scientology believe that the spa Marilyn
Monroe's father used to run is the home of ALL THE BLACK BOXES used by the US
Government for secret communications!~~
N. Hayman
one of the fun things about it (aside from the amusing tactics they employ
to keep power over their members - like buying the cult awareness
network), is that it shows how belief systems develop. I mean, sure it
sounds funny to think about the plot-line of scientology, but is it any
less "believable" than most religious fables. Many indiginous peoples
believe they came from the stars, and the whole concept of having some
sort of shadow-spirit that brings unhappiness fits right in line with
'original sin'. I felt that, Star Wars - The Phantom Menace, takes a turn
towards scientology in making 'the Force' the result of particles in the
blood stream left by some ancestral father - a doorway to eugenics, and
I'm sure there are plenty of children out there more devoted to the
ins-and-outs of this movie than they are to understanding how Eve came
from Adam's rib and Lot slept with his daughters.
Nick
John Doherty
> > > > Apparently TC's enthusiasm for this satanic based cult was part of the
> > > > reason he left the dead. Nobody else was buying.
Snorky:
> > > Scientology has nothing whatsoever to do with Satan.
JD again:
> > Not literally, but according to Dan Kennedy's expose in the Boston Phoenix
> > last year (might be 2000), Scientology meets the criteria of a Satanic
> > cult. I'll try to find a reference.
>
In article <a0l3mm$c0p$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>, "Snorky the Inept"
<hazel...@hotSPAMmail.com> wrote:
> Found your article. It's from 1996.
>
> http://home.snafu.de/tilman/bu/bph-4.19.96.html
>
> Besides the author's claim that Scientology is based in Satanism and the
> teachings of Aleister Crowley, there is nothing in this article which shows
> that the two have anything in common.
Thanks for the citation. The author does point out that prior to founding
Scientology, Hubbard was a disciple of Crowley for several years. Crowley
is a famous occult practioner of great talent; he designed a tarot deck
still very much in fashion. However, most occult people & practioners
agree that he "went over to the dark side" so to speak, somewhere along
the way.
Kennedy also documents several instants of Hubbard claiming that Christ
was a pedophile & that "Jesus Christ died for his own sins".
This aggressively anti-Christian stance may not be slaughtering goats in a
pentagram, but comes pretty close to many people's concept of Satanic as
anti-Christian.
In any case, I think we both agree that Scientology is an evil cult with a
Mickey Mouse concept of theology.
JD
Edwin Hurwitz
Hubbard was a sci-fi writer friend of Isaac Asimov. The two were talking
and L Ron bet Isaac $10 he could start a religion. The rest is history.
I had a job in Boston the early 80s for a graphics company that would
distribute leaflets. We got the Scientology gig and the boss (one of the
founders of Food Not Bombs, btw) sent me over to pick up some paperwork
and they hooked me in for some movies and a personality test (despite my
protestations that I didn't have one). The creepiest thing was all these
signs on the wall asking if you had gotten your present for L Ron's
upcoming birthday and the fact that he hadn't been seen in years and no
one knew if he was still alive!
Why are all these great musicians into this stuff?
Yeesh!
Edwin
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Boulder, CO
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Snorky the Inept
> > teachings of Aleister Crowley, there is nothing in this article which
shows
> > that the two have anything in common.
>
> Thanks for the citation. The author does point out that prior to founding
> Scientology, Hubbard was a disciple of Crowley for several years. Crowley
> is a famous occult practioner of great talent; he designed a tarot deck
> still very much in fashion. However, most occult people & practioners
> agree that he "went over to the dark side" so to speak, somewhere along
> the way.
>
> Kennedy also documents several instants of Hubbard claiming that Christ
> was a pedophile & that "Jesus Christ died for his own sins".
>
> This aggressively anti-Christian stance may not be slaughtering goats in a
> pentagram, but comes pretty close to many people's concept of Satanic as
> anti-Christian.
>
> In any case, I think we both agree that Scientology is an evil cult with a
> Mickey Mouse concept of theology.
Yup.
Edwin Hurwitz
<r6f13u4lu637j9uoi...@The.Fifth.Galactic.Invader.Force>,
?Anti-Cult? - www.users.wineasy.se/noname/ <ze...@wineasy.se> wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:22:45 -0700.
> In Message-ID: <edwinnospam-9BA5...@news.indra.com>
> From: Edwin Hurwitz <edwin...@indra.com>.
> Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com.
> Wrote on the subject: Re: Following Ron Rakow's Trail of Sleaze:
>
> >The initial start of Scientology is also pretty interesting. L Ron
> >Hubbard was a sci-fi writer friend of Isaac Asimov. The two were talking
> >and L Ron bet Isaac $10 he could start a religion. The rest is history.
>
> This is actually not true. It was not Isaac Asimov, but Harlan Ellison.
>
> The following excerpt was taken from a magazine called Saturday Evening
> Wings, which was printed for a while in the 1970s. Wings described itself
> as "Wings -- The New Age Satire Magazine". The issue this excerpt was
> taken from was the Nov.-DEC. '78 issue. It is of great interest, because
> Harlan Ellison, a rather famous science fiction writer, claims to have
> been present the night L. Ron Hubbard decided to write Dianetics.
>
> Read it from my site at: http://www.users.wineasy.se/noname/harlan.htm
>
Thanks for the clarification. I heard about it many years ago, so the
names were changed to protect my brain cells, or something like that.
> >
> >I had a job in Boston the early 80s for a graphics company that would
> >distribute leaflets. We got the Scientology gig and the boss (one of the
> >founders of Food Not Bombs, btw) sent me over to pick up some paperwork
> >and they hooked me in for some movies and a personality test (despite my
> >protestations that I didn't have one). The creepiest thing was all these
> >signs on the wall asking if you had gotten your present for L Ron's
> >upcoming birthday and the fact that he hadn't been seen in years and no
> >one knew if he was still alive!
> >
> >Why are all these great musicians into this stuff?
>
> Artists aren't exactly known for their high IQ....
>
>
Hey! That's me you're talking about!
:-)
weatherbee
>
> In any case, I think we both agree that Scientology is an evil cult with a
> Mickey Mouse concept of theology.
I thought that was Disneyology.
Sneakerface
> Scientology *is* a bizarre scam and swindle, concocted by science fiction
> writer L. Ron Hubbard. Go to http://www.clamshell.org for detailed
> information debunking this frightening cult.
>
Hey, if you want bizarre scam and swindle, try Christianity.
Zed
In article <edwinnospam-9BA5...@news.indra.com>, Edwin Hurwitz wrote:
>
> Why are all these great musicians into this stuff?
The Church of Scientology actively targets celebrities for recruitment, to
the point of having "Celebrity Centers" set up to provide them services. I
believe this is done so that the Church can have famous and well-liked
people to vouch for it.
http://www.bible.ca/scientology-poor-famous-members.htm is a newspaper
article that provides some info on Scientology and celebrities.
Zed
> Yeesh!
> Edwin
>
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John Doherty
n9...@earthlink.net (Sneakerface) wrote:
can't believe I'm taking this bait, but....
I have previously quoted Shaw here:
"Christianity is a great idea. Too bad nobody's tried it yet."
I am aware that many heinous things have been done in the name of Christ
over the years: the Inquisition, the Crusades, etc.
When the Crusaders reached Tripoli, they found the biggest library on the
face of the planet, and they burned it!
Because the scholars were Islamic, and many of the texts were considered
heretical by the church at the time : Aristotle, Socrates, etc. , such
violent ignorance was considered Christian. Islam (then the world's
leading civilization) was plunged into a feudalism from which it has yet
to emerge.
But that said, to compare Scientology with Christianity is like comparing
a Ponzi Scheme to a mutual fund that's underperforming.
There is no mystery in Christianity as to what they are selling. There is
no fee to figure it out (you will be encouraged to donate to the church,
but there is no fee for knowledge), you just read the bible.
By contrast, Scientology involves increasingly big fees to exorcise your
"thetans" & understand the demonic center of the comic book theology they
peddle.
I have known many decent people who called themselves Christians. Can't
recall any decent Scientologists.
Lord, protect me from Your followers,
JD
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
>"©Anti-Cult® - www.users.wineasy.se/noname/" wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:33:05 -0500.
>> In Message-ID: <hnsp2uonvr42tv1h9...@4ax.com>
>> From: ptsc <ptsc AT nym DOT alias DOT net>.
>> Organization: ARS: Perhaps the Most Malignant Newsgroup on Usenet.
>> Wrote on the subject: Re: Following Ron Rakow's Trail of Sleaze:
>>>On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:29:42 GMT, ©Anti-Cult® - www.users.wineasy.se/noname/
>>><ze...@wineasy.se> wrote:
>>>>>Wow! It looks like someone's got *way* too much free time on his hands....
>>>>What exactly does that mean? Does it mean that you're a supporter of the
>>>>criminal mafia cult of scientology, or what?
>>>It means I crossposted it into the Grateful Dead newsgroup so it got read by
>>>people who might not be so sure why Ron Rakow is such a hot topic right now.
>>>http://www.slatkinfraud.com/rakow.shtml will clear it up.
>>>ptsc
>> Yeah, that is possible. However I wouldn't exclude the possibility that
>> the person in question in fact is a scientologist, trying to defend his
>> criminal mafia establishment.
>> SAZ
>Dagnabbit! You found me out! Now I'm going to have to use my powerful
>mesmobeams to search you out and burn squickholes in your skull.
<laughing!> "Squickholes..." <rofl!> That's disgusting. }:-}
-- You love drugs! You love drugs, don't you?! You better
not say anything about my mother! Don't you DARE say anything
about my mother! -- Scientology's International President (Audio
files of this nutter at http://www.linkline.com/personal/frice
"What is the name of scientology's secret books?" -- a.r.s. query
"Mein Kampf." -- David Rice
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
>Thanks for the informative and enlightening post, ptsc.
It's been an interesting event -- a half a billion dollar Ponzi scam
can rest on its own as "interesting" -- but the Greatful Dead slant
adds that certain extra something that twists an already amusing
exposure of Scientology business practices into the realm of the
surrealistic. More so since many people are grateful that L. Ron
Hubbard is dead, died while screaming about invisible space aliens
infesting him.
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
>ptsc wrote:
>> First I should start out by explaining the reasons for this unusual crosspost.
>> Recently a huge Ponzi scam surfaced involving Scientologist Reed Slatkin and a
>> number of associates, including one Mr. Ron Rakow. Quick research turned up
>> that he had a former connection with the Grateful Dead before becoming a
>> Scientologist and getting involved with Reed Slatkin's scam. The background to
>> this huge scam is on a website called http://www.slatkinfraud.com and the
>> official bankruptcy trustee's site is http://www.slatkin-investors.com
>Hello,
>What worries Elvis fans is that the heir to the Presley estate, Lisa Marie, is a
>Scientologist. There have been fears that she will eventually close Graceland and
>donate most of E's money to the cult. No joke.
As I recall, Lisa P. looked into the cult and then got out of it. If she
was really a Scientology cult follower, the criminals would be screaming
the fact to the high heavens. The fact that the criminal cult isn't is
doubtlessly because Lisa's lawyers reminded the crooks about libel laws.
Rev. Fredric L. Rice
>On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:02:44 -0500, Darren <dnem...@sprynet.com>
>wrote:
>>A religion based on a story about a guy for outer space killing 13.5 trillion beings,
>>using Earth as a mass dumping ground, and now their souls are haunting each us of
>>today? Come on.
>>
>>These people must be down right stupid to join this outlandish religon.
>>I cannot believe that any rational human being woudl believe this crap.
>The problem is that the story is first divulged only at an advanced
>stage in the training.
After putting in something around $136,000 U. S. dollars.
People _should_ twigg to the fraud when they find out that the cult
is selling them a "bridge" to "total freedom." I mean "selling a
bridge..." it's an obvious joke of Hubbard's but there's still
something like 35,000 followers world-wide trying to buy that bridge.
mimus
>Hello,
>
>WOW. I have spent about 5 hours looking up stuff on this religion. Net searches are
>turning up everything on Scientology.
>
>You would think that since L. Ronnie also wrote Sci-Fi novels that they would make the
>connection and not join up.
>
>A religion based on a story about a guy for outer space killing 13.5 trillion beings,
>using Earth as a mass dumping ground, and now their souls are haunting each us of
>today? Come on.
>
>These people must be down right stupid to join this outlandish religon. I cannot
>believe that any rational human being woudl believe this crap.
They start with _Dianetics_, which is just as stupid but remarkably
like ordinary psychiatry (Freudian, anyway)(which is just as, etc.),
and you don't learn about the "OT 3" stuff until you're many years and
tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in the hole . . . and if you
try to get your money back on the basis that you've been defrauded,
still less punitive damages, well, look up "Fair Game", and reflect on
the fact that the "Church" in that case has your "Pre-Clear folders"
containing your written, signed and dated confessions of everything
bad you or anyone you've ever known has done . . . .
I saw
many people
reduced to
incoherent babbling,
stripping off clothes,
crawling around on the ground,
banging heads, limbs and other body parts
against furniture and walls,
barking,
losing all sense of one's identity
and intense and persistent suicidal ideation.
--Declaration of Andre Tabayoyon
I'm an OT.--Lisa McPherson
If you imagine 40-50 Scientologists
posting on the Internet every few days,
we'll just run the SP's right off the system.
It will be quite simple, actually.
--Elaine Siegel, OSA INT (1996)
Case 5/BTLA/SP1/BAD
KSJ
(And, BTW: Xenu Xenu Xenu!)
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Darren
> As I recall, Lisa P. looked into the cult and then got out of it. If she
> was really a Scientology cult follower, the criminals would be screaming
> the fact to the high heavens. The fact that the criminal cult isn't is
> doubtlessly because Lisa's lawyers reminded the crooks about libel laws.
Hello,
She is listed as an endorser of the cult on one of their sites.
Have a nice day, :)
Darren Nemeth
TimDonohoe
>From: weatherbee wx...@mediaone.net
>Date: 12/31/01 3:24 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <311220012025547933%wx...@mediaone.net>
I'm for any religion that gets me my food in 12 seconds.
JC Martin
"Snorky the Inept" <hazel...@hotSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
news:a0k2sr$fmi$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
> > > Doh. My mistake. That link should be:
> > >
> > > http://www.clambake.org
> >
> > Apparently TC's enthusiasm for this satanic based cult was part of the
> > reason he left the dead. Nobody else was buying.
>
>
> billions of people waaaaaaay back in the distant past. He collected their
> souls and brought them to Earth, where he put them on top of volcanoes and
> blew them up with hydrogen bombs.
>
> It gets even weirder than that. Go look at the website.
Of course, this is confidential information within Scientology. The
majority of Scientologists do not know this.
-JC Martin
*who grew up in the Church Of Scientology at their compound in Clearwater,
Florida*
JC Martin
news:jgdoherty-291...@115.cambridge-06-07rs.ma.dial-access.att.net
...
> In article <a0k2sr$fmi$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>, "Snorky the Inept"
> <hazel...@hotSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Doh. My mistake. That link should be:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.clambake.org
> > >
> > > Apparently TC's enthusiasm for this satanic based cult was part of the
> > > reason he left the dead. Nobody else was buying.
> >
> > Scientology has nothing whatsoever to do with Satan.
>
> last year (might be 2000), Scientology meets the criteria of a Satanic
> cult. I'll try to find a reference.
They don't really however. This comes about from Hubbard's supposed
connection to Jack Parsons (a famous JPL rocket engineer) who was friends
with Alister Crowley. Hubbard and Parsons supposedly performed some rituals
in Pasadena at a house where celebrities, scientists and miscellaneous
intellectuals partied and hung out. Seemed like more of a passing interest
for Hubbard, but certainly Crowley had an influence on his work...among many
others.
-Jc
JC Martin
..
> JD said:
>
> > > > > Apparently TC's enthusiasm for this satanic based cult was part of
the
> > > > > reason he left the dead. Nobody else was buying.
>
> Snorky:
> > > > Scientology has nothing whatsoever to do with Satan.
>
>
> JD again:
> > > Not literally, but according to Dan Kennedy's expose in the Boston
Phoenix
> > > last year (might be 2000), Scientology meets the criteria of a Satanic
> > > cult. I'll try to find a reference.
> >
>
> In article <a0l3mm$c0p$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>, "Snorky the Inept"
> <hazel...@hotSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Found your article. It's from 1996.
> >
> > http://home.snafu.de/tilman/bu/bph-4.19.96.html
> >
> > Besides the author's claim that Scientology is based in Satanism and the
> > teachings of Aleister Crowley, there is nothing in this article which
shows
> > that the two have anything in common.
>
> Thanks for the citation. The author does point out that prior to founding
> Scientology, Hubbard was a disciple of Crowley for several years.
This is false however. Hubbard lived in Jack Parson's (a Crowley
disciple's) house for under a year I believe and read up a little on
Crowley. Many intellectuals (not saying that Hubbard was one) read
Crowley's writings in the 40's. Don't believe everything you read. Most
reporters don't understand the complexity of the Scientology organization,
therefore tend to focus on the trivial.
-JC
-JC
JC Martin
..
There are decent people of every faith of religion. We agree that this
particular cult is bad, but there are good people who are in it.
-JC
Joker4153
i have publicly disagreed with you before on this newsgroup (the "kimock kult")
and have come to generally not read much of what you post because of this out
of simple indifference, not malice...
so i have to say here, publicly, so to speak, that while we will probably
continue to disagree a lot, my resepct for you has increased tremendously given
what i read below...
if you grew up in the midst of that cult and successfully escaped with any
reasonable degree of sanity, self-respect, and ability to think for yourself
(no matter how much i may disagree with your thoughts), then i, for one, will
read your lines in a different light...
i have never quite understood why scientology seems to keep popping up in and
on the fringes of the grateful dead "culture"...
though there are good people within it, the "church" is seriously a
life-controlling, mind-controlling cult that absolutely believes that any means
are justified to gain or protect the goals of the church...ANY means,
regardless of what it does to others who disagree...ANY means, regardless of
moral or legal limits...and they are seriously *pro-active* about going after
people considered unfriendly to the "church"...that is evil...
if you managed to get "clear" away from this group, then more power to you!
respectfully,
larry
>Of course, this is confidential information within Scientology. The
>majority of Scientologists do not know this.
>
>-JC Martin
>*who grew up in the Church Of Scientology at their compound in Clearwater,
>Florida*
>
>
zero archives
Darren
> This is false however. Hubbard lived in Jack Parson's (a Crowley
> disciple's) house for under a year I believe and read up a little on
> Crowley. Many intellectuals (not saying that Hubbard was one) read
> Crowley's writings in the 40's. Don't believe everything you read. Most
> reporters don't understand the complexity of the Scientology organization,
> therefore tend to focus on the trivial.
>
> -JC
>
Hello,
But there was a realaudio file on the site that the cult recently (yesterday)
has sued off of the net. In it Hubbard refers to Crowley as his friend.
Snorky the Inept
>
> But there was a realaudio file on the site that the cult recently
(yesterday)
> has sued off of the net. In it Hubbard refers to Crowley as his friend.
Hubbard also refers to himself as a war hero (he fired on Mexican soil
unprovoked once!) and a nuclear physicist (he took a couple of uni courses
in physics). That is why I renamed this thread "L. Ron Hubbard's delusional
fantasy".
JC Martin
news:3C339432...@sprynet.com...
> >
> > This is false however. Hubbard lived in Jack Parson's (a Crowley
> > disciple's) house for under a year I believe and read up a little on
> > Crowley. Many intellectuals (not saying that Hubbard was one) read
> > Crowley's writings in the 40's. Don't believe everything you read.
Most
> > reporters don't understand the complexity of the Scientology
organization,
> > therefore tend to focus on the trivial.
> >
> > -JC
> >
>
> Hello,
>
> But there was a realaudio file on the site that the cult recently
(yesterday)
> has sued off of the net. In it Hubbard refers to Crowley as his friend.
>
> Have a nice day, :)
He lied. If you would do a little more research you might understand that
what I'm telling you is true. The only time Crowley ever heard of L. Ron
Hubbard was through one letter sent from Jack Parsons to him. L. Ron
Hubbard BTW also has claimed to be the Buddha reincarnate, inventing certain
technologies that are used by shipmen today, being a war hero, etc. on tape.
Doesn't make it true though, does it?
-JC
JC Martin
news:20020102174034...@mb-mk.aol.com...
Thanks man....appreciate it.
-JC
JC Martin
One more thing...you know what was really odd about me spending time over
there growing up was that the church had my mother get rid of me because of
my 'rebellious' tendencies. My dad then carted me off to a Catholic
boarding school in Sonoma for 3 1/2 years. Pretty odd experiences. I've
developed an offbeat sort of humor (which probably doesn't show in my
writings here) and a somewhat cynical outlook when it comes to people's
belief systems. At the same time, I don't think I'm better or have it
figured out over anyone, and that includes Christians, Muslims, Republicans,
etc. Most of us are what we are from our experiences and what we were
taught by our own families. I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere that 90% of
Americans vote for the political party their parents voted for. What that
shows me is that we all need to start thinking outside our own box if a true
peace can ever exist.
BTW, I *express* my viewpoints whether someone agrees or not because that's
about me surviving in a world full of lies, if you know what I mean. It's
who I am and I can't apologize for it... I just don't learn anything by
pretending to go along with group thought. I *do* think a few too many
people in this group (and I've been guilty of this) read words in this
newsgroup and pass judgments without even getting to know a person. A
disagreement, no matter how large, shouldn't create the kind of hostility
that we sometimes see in RMG. Having lived in a cult environment, the
similarities in certain behaviors, both in a cult and those displayed here
at times to dissenting opinions is striking. The angle that I see things
from may not make sense at first to everyone, but there is a little logic
there. That's why the Kimock thing (and really it's all very light on my
part) has nothing to do with fans of his playing and everything to do with
people that act like assholes when people don't agree with their
perceptions. I've said it too many times before even...I LIKE SOME OF WHAT
KIMOCK DOES. Some things I don't like. No reason to fuss unless someone is
carrying forth an agenda.
I've said enough.
Peace and a Happy New Year,
-JC
weatherbee
Hornoplentyology.
rm.k...@verizon.net
"But that said, to compare Scientology with Christianity is like comparing
a Ponzi Scheme to a mutual fund that's underperforming."
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Seth Jackson
>Interesting thread, but this was beautiful:
>
>"But that said, to compare Scientology with Christianity is like comparing
>a Ponzi Scheme to a mutual fund that's underperforming."
I like that analogy, too.
- Seth Jackson
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